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Sock puppeteer-

I found this excellent piece on John Coleman:

The man isn't even a scientist- in any field. Simply not credible in what he says.
Joined: 1/31/2009
Msg: 27
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Posted: 3/4/2009 11:24:28 AM

And you trivialized my researched and considered opinion in the following statement:

The notion that conservatives are "reactionaries" in league with big business to oppress the average citizen is tired Marxist cant.

You inferred I would want to oppress the average citizen and my argument is a tired Marxist cant. Nice job of fear mongering.

You had claimed President Bush used an (unnamed) former oil executive to "censor" the work of government scientists working on global warming. You said this served the anti-intellectual, reactionary purpose of suppressing information that conflicted with conservatives' views.

Right after this, you claimed Mr. Will contributed to this corrupt moral culture by lying to serve the interests of big business. If you want to describe a bare assertion like that as your "researched and considered opinion," fine. To me, though, a charge like that is, at heart, nothing more than a repetition of longtime communist dogma--i.e., reactionaries are the bought lackeys of powerful capitalists.

And because big businesses exploit the masses, these reactionaries--by which you say you mean ultra-conservatives--they control must be helping them do this. The little people suffer so those nefarious, shadowy corporate interests can increase their profits by fouling our environment. Shades of Erin Brockovich (which is a lie from start to finish.)

I notice you claim President Bush, the unnamed oil executive, and Mr. Will all acted *intentionally* to do what you consider bad things. For you, apparently, conservatism is not a reputable political philosophy. Pretty odd notion--the general political philosophy of the framers--which the Constitution reflects--was very similar to what true conservatives like Buckley, Goldwater, and Reagan believed more recently. Or do you also consider the framers disreputable and "anti-intellectual?"

You used my offhand comment about a George Will column I happened to have read just before writing to try to put a lot of words in my mouth. If you're going to impute bad motives to conservatives, don't be surprised to see them do the same to people with your views.
Joined: 1/16/2009
Msg: 28
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Posted: 3/4/2009 12:00:05 PM

You had claimed President Bush used an (unnamed) former oil executive to "censor" the work of government scientists working on global warming. You said this served the anti-intellectual, reactionary purpose of suppressing information that conflicted with conservatives' views

Viola. From the book "Censoring Science"-

"Although it might seem that there was little to be risked in the non-binding discussions, the lead negotiator for the United States, one Harlan Watson, spent nearly his entire two weeks in Montreal attempting to undermine their very premise. Stating quite openly that his aim was to end, right then and there, all international discussions even of nonbinding emissions limits, Watson fiercely resisted the efforts of the other 188 signatory nations even to start a new round of informal negotiations. This was very much in keeping with the goals of the oil giant ExxonMobil, which had recommended him for a place on the negotiating team shortly before President Bush, evidently taking the company's cue, appointed him leader of the team in 2001"
(paragraph can be found way down the page)
Joined: 5/10/2008
Msg: 29
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Posted: 3/4/2009 7:06:45 PM

You had claimed President Bush used an (unnamed) former oil executive to "censor" the work of government scientists working on global warming. You said this served the anti-intellectual, reactionary purpose of suppressing information that conflicted with conservatives' views.

So, sorry, I got sloppy and didn’t give the details around my claim. Here are the details to back up my claim.

First of all, here are some details from the report from the US House of Representative titled: Committee Report: White House Engaged in Systematic Effort to Manipulate Climate Change Science. Here are excerpts from the report:

This report presents the findings of the Committee’s investigation. The evidence before the Committee leads to one inescapable conclusion: the Bush Administration has engaged in a systematic effort to manipulate climate change science and mislead policymakers and the public about the dangers of global warming.
In 1998, the American Petroleum Institute developed an internal “Communications Action Plan” that stated: “Victory will be achieved when … average citizens ‘understand’ uncertainties in climate science … [and] recognition of uncertainties becomes part of the ‘conventional wisdom.’” The Bush Administration has acted as if the oil industry’s communications plan were its mission statement. White House officials and political appointees in the agencies censored congressional testimony on the causes and impacts of global warming, controlled media access to government climate scientists, and edited federal scientific reports to inject unwarranted uncertainty into discussions of climate change and to minimize the threat to the environment and the economy.
The White House exerted unusual control over the public statements of federal scientists on climate change issues. It was standard practice for media requests to speak with federal scientists on climate change matters to be sent to CEQ for White House approval. By controlling which government scientists could respond to media inquiries, the White House suppressed dissemination of scientific views that could conflict with Administration policies. The White House also edited congressional testimony regarding the science of climate change.

The Bush appointee was Philip Cooney who the White House Council on Environmental Quality, had come from the American Petroleum Institute. He worked at the White House until 2005, and then left to return to Exxon Mobil as a corporate issues manager.

During the period of time that the censoring of government scientist was taking place Coonery was in constant email correspondence with Carl Rove, the Vice President’s office and people at Exxon. In an effort to spin the censoring of government scientists, Cooney said, “Well, I was just aligning the science to fit the policy.”

Since when do we alter the results of scientific studies to support policy? Science is supposed to inform public policy. Censorship to protect the corporate interests is UNAMERICAN. Do you think our founding fathers would have approved?
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Msg: 30
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Posted: 7/5/2009 8:58:07 AM
This is nothing more than another power grab by the government. The fact that anybody in today's political world defends any of them just means that way to much blue and red cool aid is being swallowed.

I hope the left get all they want because sooner or later it will hit everyone in the pocket. I am going to laugh my ass off when unemployment hit the 20% rate due to companies bailing to countries with out Cap and Trade.
I can't remember the name of the company, it was in a recent article, they were going to move to France until the saw the Cap and Trade costs. So they decided to move to Alabama until last week, when the House passed it, now they are going to Argentina.

I hope really hope all the left gets exactly what they want on everything. Crazy ass environmentalists cant even agree with each other.

Oh and wait until the EPA Nazis come to your house to tell you, you need to spend $20,000 to make it EPA friendly.

Here is you energy saver light bulb

Al Gore left office worth about 2 million, now he is worth over a 100 million.

By way of NewsBusters, Nobel Prize-winning global warming alarmist Al Gore stands to make millions of dollars if the Obama Administration is successful in passing "cap-and-trade" climate change legislation through Congress.

The information comes from an investigative report by the Reuters news agency.

From the Reuters report by David Lawsky:

An environmental start-up backed by Al Gore's venture capital firm aims to take advantage of coming U.S. climate change legislation by helping companies like Coca Cola and even cities cut pollution.

Hara, a 25-employee company that debuted in 2008, provides online software to help companies reduce their carbon footprint -- a $2.5 billion market that will grow 10-fold if the proposed energy bill, which will require companies to get permits for emissions, becomes law, Chief Executive Amit Chatterjee said.

At the heart of the legislation is a "cap-and-trade" system that will gradually reduce the amount of greenhouse gases emitted by industry, by requiring them to have permits to spew their emissions.

Read "Reuters Exposes Gore's Global Warming Profit Motive" at NewsBusters.

Read the Reuters report, "Gore-backed Hara sees profit from low-carbon economy," at Reuters' Web site.

Also check out the CFP blog, where Steve Milloy has this to say about the sordid affair: "Operating as a stealth tax, cap-and-trade will make the vast majority of Americans poorer and less free — but Al Gore, Kleiner Perkins, Amit Chatterjee and Hara will be laughing all the way to the bank."
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Msg: 31
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Posted: 8/12/2009 5:15:29 PM
Hey, if the dudes who invented "Cap and Trade" are now against it, that's good enough for me...

Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 32
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Posted: 8/12/2009 9:21:04 PM
The CO2 cycle is accurate, except for the annoying fact its a trailing event not a leading event, i.e., byproduct not causal. In fact a lot of climatologists and subspecialists in this matter believe there is an 799 year carbon cycle from the ocean which first collects, 800 years later discharges.

Of course this will not sink in for libs, they think food comes from grocery stores.
Joined: 6/11/2009
Msg: 33
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Posted: 8/12/2009 10:16:50 PM
Source? Source?
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 34
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Posted: 10/13/2009 8:39:54 PM
Anthropogenic global warming is a fraud perpetrated by the same people who brought you heterosexual AIDS epidemics and global famine.

I could list a dozen things wrong with the theory, models, or the people who have been debunked and driven from the scientific community (Dr Michael Mann of hockey stick shaped fame even while his flawed study lives on in the minds of lefties dupes).

Nevertheless I will list a few a few of the more recent scientific facts/measurements, not models.

1. The temperatures have been falling since 1998. The honest climate modelers admit their models did not predict this temp dip. The dishonest one's changed the name from global warming to climate change and state temp drops are proof of global warming lol. The climate scientists when cornered now will admit we will experience cooling, or flattening of temps until 2030.

2. Senator John Kerry in committee this past week in frustration with these facts stated we should stop with the warming talk and just admit we want to reduce pollution.

3. The theory of CO2, or any temps increased by trapped gases, would logically cause airborn temps to rise, particularly upper levels 9get it libs, trapped air warms at altitude) but in fact upper atmospheric temps have not risen as predicted but instead temps at ground level have risen (during the period 1976 to 1998). Explanation? The governments own data indicates 25% of ground monitoring equipment is out of complaince with their own regs (e.g., can't be within 100 feet of a road). accordingly, and logically temp monitoring equipment in place for 100 years has become surrounded by cities and structures that are essentially heat traps.

4. Polar bears. They are dying ya know. Al Gore was asked this by a question from the audience and they killed the sound. Why? Polar bear populations have rebounded tremendously. In 1980 the canadian's stated the population fo bears at 5,000. Last year they have reported 22,000 bears. hardly indicative of a population in jeopardy.

5. Antartic ice caps. lots of very awe inspiring pics of icebergs calving off glaciers. made liberals hide under the bed with their life jackets I'm betting. in fact calving is not only normal, but an indicator of glacier growth inland. In other words it NEVER gets warm enough to melt ice. What happens is the ice grows so fast, so deep, it extends out over open water and then dramatically shears. If it were global warming, they would quietly and peacefully melt, like Al Gores brain under questioning by anyone with an IQ greater than his body temp.

I could go on for pages but you've once again been duped.

PS this week they announced a natural gas discovery equal to 65 years of use. called off oil and gas crisis they did. bet ya didn't know this either, did ya libs?
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 35
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Posted: 10/13/2009 9:42:46 PM
Everyone who has read anything except Dem talking points knows it's a fraud. The president of the EU, and previously president of the Czech republic, a Ph.D of some merit, has written a book on global warming and offered to meet Gore any time, any place to debate the topic. Gore of course won't. Gore won't debate anyone actually and it's no wonder because his Inconvenient Truth slide deck is so flawed a British court ruled the movie of the same name a political, rather than scientific, documentary. There were 9 significant flaws found that pretty much undercuts ever bit of usefullness of the documentary except perhaps the nice pictures of the bears swimming in ice cold water lol. Poor, poor bears, the lib mommies want to feed them and give them smoochies I'm sure.

Senator Imhofe, chairman of the environmental science comm. of the Senate has done some good work in this area. It's readily available from government websites.

Michael Crichton wrote an awful book with some great science called "State of Fear". It had nearly 50 pages of bibliography utilizing peer reviewed material. I've followed the great debate over climate since Time magazine warned in the 1970's of the coming ice age. And of course any scrutiny will show the media runs this cooling-heating news through a 30 year cycle to sell product.

I believe the motivation, and everything in life is motivation in the end, is to transform the economy primarily with new technology. The one thing I've learned about Ph.D's is they love "the next big thing". And transforming the economy and technological base is the king of the next big things. Of course there is no business case for any of it, the root cause being fraud science and scaring liberals under the bed. Fortunately there are enough testosterone bearing units still about to calm your basic scared lib chick and don't ask, don't tell guy.
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Msg: 36
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:08:06 AM
I've yet to meet a anthropogenic global warming supporter who has ever heard of the Maunder Minimum, say nothing of argue it. Not understanding something as fundamental as this is llike having an argument about the Bible with someone who has never heard of Moses.

If one visits Europe, particularly northern Europe, one is struck by the obvious evidence of climate change. Throughout Ireland and northern England one stumbles upon strret names like "Vineyard way" where 1000 years ago the climate was mediterranean like, or Germany where Olive groves grew in abundance, or greenland was a sheep raising and farming center for surplus vikings, now under a mile of ice.

Anthropogenic global warming is similar to the "people who are dying without healthcare', or 'we've run out of fossil fuels" crowd, it's simply packaged and pre-masticated lib food. In another time these kind of people would have been hanging or burning witches , ascribing events to causes simply because their anxiety at large forces and ease of being manipulated by dullards like AlGore leaves them vulnerable.

Oh by the way, planets in our solar system were recently warming, now cooling. Do you libs imagine the SUV's there have not found the clean energy religion?
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Msg: 37
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:45:16 AM
I'm not entirely certain you know what science is if you imagine it is delivered on board postings. These discussions are no more science than discussions about the constitution are law. I've given you several opportunities to weigh in with contrarian or disagreement in specifics, being unable you've relied upon 'that's not science". duh

I once thought you were educated beyond your capacity, I've now come to believe you've received education commensuerate with your abilities.
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Msg: 38
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Posted: 10/14/2009 1:01:10 PM
I've wondered about that too. If we're the cause of warming now, what accounts for the drastic warming and cooling that went on long before people affected anything? What about all the oxygen those blue-green algae first put into our atmosphere, way back when? That must have had some effect on other gases in the air, and on the amount of sunlight the earth absorbed.

All those coal beds were laid down when the earth was like a hothouse, and all the CO2 in the air was making plants grow like crazy. And those large dinosaurs couldn't have regulated their body temperature enough to survive, unless the earth was pretty warm. Which we know it was, for long periods.

But then within the last few tens of thousands of years, it got cold enough for glaciers to get down to Nebraska--and it did it four different times, with warm periods in between. Why? It sure wasn't because of people, because there weren't that many of us yet. Volcanos and cracks under the oceans also put out a lot of CO2. The surface area of the ocean also has changed a lot, as the land has moved around, and gotten higher, or lower. That affects the amount of CO2 the ocean can absorb from the air. Then, of course, as you say, the sun's output isn't constant.
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Msg: 39
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Posted: 10/14/2009 1:32:39 PM
As this global warming/climate change discussion has evolved in my lifetime it has become more and more apparent the limits of our understanding of time frames. We can measure 11 year sunspot cycles, we can recreate from tree rings cold and warm periods (I like the discovery Stradavarias(sp?) violins were made from wood grown in the coldest portion of the little ice age/Maunder minimum, but the recent discovery of an 800 year CO2 cycle in the ocean is really mind blowing. So that theory would have CO2 absorbed into the ocean 800 years ago (plankton one would imagine) during a particularly warm period (900 to 1450 AD were very warm period in history, as I mentioned with grapes grown in Ireland, etc.) and then released in our time with both short term warming and cooling in the 20th century. Now as temps drop, and CO2 continues to rise, the lack of causality becomes ever more obvious.

Jumping from science to political, the politician wanting to make their bones on fossil fuel burning as a significant source of CO2 and tied to atmospheric warming for the purposes of creating a command and control economy (old communists never die, they just find a new fear factor), is understandably going to resist anything not worked into the the extraordinary recent cold temp measurements.

Back to the fraudulent nature of this new religion. Science normally changes very, very slowly. There are careers, and axioms, and theories all interelated within the different disciplines, each hinged upon their sibling fields. except for one notable exception...Dr. Michael Mann's hockey stick shaped theory of climate. With one small paper, hardly vetted, the entire scientific community shifted to this model in biology, forestry, energy, climate, etc. Just like that! Well the unfortunate rest of the story is when those more traditional scientific practitioners asked for his data sets, methodology, math, work papers, etc. and when he would not turn them over became suspicious. Ultimately it came out that his entire study was a fraud, one could make the climate be whatever you wanted it to be with the use/misuse of a single variable which he had done for the purpose of being an instant celeb. Ultimately Mann was discredited...but the movement rolled on to become a faith for lost comrades left afloat by the fall of the Soviet Union and free market directions of China. Climate change is an excuse and a mechanism for industrial policy. Lefties without failed Marxist ideology embraced climate change as the new true faith.

It's undoing is going to leave a mark, or should in an honest world. Let's see how long they can avoid inevitable de-pantsing lol.
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Msg: 40
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Posted: 10/14/2009 10:20:22 PM
Its all a lie and more of Obama redistribution of wealth, only on a global scale.

By Aaron Klein
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

Cass Sunstein
JERUSALEM – It is "desirable" to redistribute America's wealth to poorer nations, argued President Obama's newly confirmed regulatory czar, Cass Sunstein.

According to Sunstein, global climate change is primarily the fault of U.S. environmental behavior and can, therefore, be used as a mechanism to redistribute the country's wealth.

The argument bears striking resemblance to comments made by Obama's former environmental adviser, Van Jones. WND reported Jones used a major environmental convention to argue for spreading America's wealth.

Now WND has learned Sunstein made similar, more extensive arguments.

The Obama czar penned a 2007 University of Chicago Law School paper – obtained and reviewed by WND – in which he debated whether America should pay "justice" to the world by entering into a compensation agreement that would be a net financial loss for the U.S.

Sunstein heavily leans on the side of such an agreement, particularly a worldwide carbon tax that would heavily tariff the U.S.

A prominent theme throughout Sunstein's 39-page paper, entitled "Climate Change Justice," maintains U.S. wealth should be redistributed to poorer nations. He uses terms such as "distributive justice" several times. The paper was written with fellow attorney Eric A. Posner

"It is even possible that desirable redistribution is more likely to occur through climate change policy than otherwise, or to be accomplished more effectively through climate policy than through direct foreign aid," wrote Sunstein.

He posited: "We agree that if the United States does spend a great deal on emissions reductions as part of an international agreement, and if the agreement does give particular help to disadvantaged people, considerations of distributive justice support its action, even if better redistributive mechanisms are imaginable.

"If the United States agrees to participate in a climate change agreement on terms that are not in the nation's interest, but that help the world as a whole, there would be no reason for complaint, certainly if such participation is more helpful to poor nations than conventional foreign-aid alternatives," he wrote.

Sunstein maintains: "If we care about social welfare, we should approve of a situation in which a wealthy nation is willing to engage in a degree of self-sacrifice when the world benefits more than that nation loses."

Sunstein is not the only Obama czar to make such an argument. Jones made similar remarks before he resigned earlier this month after WND exposed he is an admitted radical communist.

Two weeks before Jones started his White House job in March, he delivered the keynote address at Power Shift '09, billed as the largest youth summit on climate change in history. A reported 12,000 young people were at the D.C. Convention Center for the event.

During his speech, available on YouTube, Jones used terms such as "eco-apartheid" and "green for some," and preached about spreading the wealth while positing a call to "change the whole system."

In one section of his 29-minute speech, Jones referenced "our Native American brothers and sisters" who, he claimed, were "pushed," "bullied," "mistreated" and "shoved into all the land that we didn't want."

"Guess what?" Jones continued. "Give them the wealth! Give them then wealth! No justice on stolen land ... we owe them a debt."

"We have to create a green economy, that's true, that's true. But we have to create a green economy that Dr. King would be proud of," Jones exclaimed.
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Msg: 41
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:04:49 PM
The only good thing is that it's not going to work. This man's already done his worst, and the country is turning on him. Fred Barnes at the Weekly Standard called it, when he wrote recently that "Americans don't like pushovers--especially pushover presidents." President Obama is President Carter all over again, and even though he may stay in office through 2012, he won't have enough juice to get much done. The Republicans are on track to pick up maybe 50 seats in the House next fall. I wonder how long it will be before the U.S. elects another black president?
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Msg: 42
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Posted: 11/19/2009 10:19:36 AM
Well, well, well, lefty climatologists sound confused. of course your writer has been pointing out the obvious to confused climatologists as well as confused libtard talking point readers.

OK boys and girls here's the money shot,1518,662092,00.html

There is no anthropogenic global warming, it's the sun got too hot (or cold). While there are carbon cycles from-to the ocean, they are trailing events, not correlated or leading events.

So this is your opportunity to be the smartest libtard in your fruit and vegetable coop. print it out and amaze your 'people" LOLOLOLOL
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Msg: 43
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Posted: 11/20/2009 7:15:56 AM
You've probably heard the critiques of AlGores newest book cover.

His deep knowledge of geology and climate has allowed him to make Cuba disappear but none of the other places on the globe lower are affected as they would be under such a scenario.

Hurricanes revolve in the wrong direction, happen at the equator (impossible) and a number of comical events from the people who brought you an $18M website to misreport the number of jobs gained or saved lol.

I'll bet algore followers are hiding under the bed with this latest bit of Casssandraism.

If they had any idea virtually everything they think and believe is as flawed, broken and just plain insane they'd be conservatives. Of course if they had the intellectual HP to be conservative they wouldn't fall for some bloated windbag like algore talking to them like he had to weigh hsi every word before saying it lest the shear gravity of his wisdom crush their brains.
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Msg: 44
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Posted: 11/20/2009 12:43:12 PM
Skooch when I want to clean my home I don't use an air conditioner (don't have an ac I live on the ocean) I use a vaccum. So you libtards think dirty and hot are linked in that fuzzy minded goofball miasma you flop around in is your problem.

There is no global warming, or at least anthropogenic, and the United states is a dozen times cleaner than when i was a child.

Wake up for gods sake.
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Msg: 45
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Posted: 11/20/2009 1:33:21 PM
The cahuega river in Cleveland used to catch fire every summer. As Jack said, some people could see the san gabriels only a few days a year. In my home town there was a canal that the battery factory directly poured it's waste into, and we kids used to wade around in it, i used to sell capr from this river to people from chicago who made gelfilte fish for Hebrews LOLOL that used to crack me up. These fish looked like the 3 eyed fish from the Simpson's and these dopes used to negotiate with me, a 10 year old kid for a lower price. My mom wouldn't even let me plant them in her roses and tomato's for fear i'd kill them lol.

And Skooch... ya got to think before ya hit the send button, the "days of stage 4, ow whatever are not a universal law like E=mc2, they are man made thresholds. Of course the threshold moves in a cleaner direction, same as poverty rate etc.

Good lord man get a brain.
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Msg: 46
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Posted: 11/20/2009 2:09:26 PM
I hate being right all the time but it is a burden I must suffer LOL. read it and weep libtards, then figure out how to shake the $100M out of al gore he stole from you hahahah. This is breaking news, I'd suggest turning off NBC, Immelt is likely cutting his wrists knowing he bet on this crapola pseudo science.

Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic Global Warming'?

By James Delingpole Politics Last updated: November 20th, 2009

If you own any shares in alternative energy companies I should start dumping them NOW. The conspiracy behind the Anthropogenic Global Warming myth (aka AGW; aka ManBearPig) has been suddenly, brutally and quite deliciously exposed after a hacker broke into the computers at the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (aka Hadley CRU) and released 61 megabites of confidential files onto the internet. (Hat tip: Watts Up With That)

When you read some of those files – including 1079 emails and 72 documents – you realise just why the boffins at Hadley CRU might have preferred to keep them confidential. As Andrew Bolt puts it, this scandal could well be “the greatest in modern science”. These alleged emails – supposedly exchanged by some of the most prominent scientists pushing AGW theory – suggest:

Conspiracy, collusion in exaggerating
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Msg: 47
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Posted: 11/20/2009 3:39:25 PM
Skooch I'll bet your mom wishes you'd clean your room far more than far off haze in the air. Now do your homework like a good boy lol!
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Msg: 48
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Posted: 11/26/2009 6:12:35 AM
Libtards and people's who have only the Daily Kos and this forum on their favorites list I bring you sad news this morning, as I have been advising as long as I have brought joy and enlightenment to this board, global warming is a fraud.

Junk science exposed among climate-change believers

Scientific progress depends on accurate and complete data. It also relies on replication. The past couple of days have uncovered some shocking revelations about the baloney practices that pass as sound science about climate change.

It was announced Thursday afternoon that computer hackers had obtained 160 megabytes of e-mails from the Climate Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia (UEA) in England. Those e-mails involved communication among many scientific researchers and policy advocates with similar ideological positions all across the world. Those purported authorities were brazenly discussing the destruction and hiding of data that did not support global-warming claims.

Professor Phil Jones, the head of the Climate Research Unit, and professor Michael E. Mann at Pennsylvania State University, who has been an important scientist in the climate debate, have come under particular scrutiny. Among his e-mails, Mr. Jones talked to Mr. Mann about the "trick of adding in the real temps to each series ... to hide the decline [in temperature]."

Mr. Mann admitted that he was party to this conversation and lamely explained to the New York Times that "scientists often used the word 'trick' to refer to a good way to solve a problem 'and not something secret.' " Though the liberal New York newspaper apparently buys this explanation, we have seen no benign explanation that justifies efforts by researchers to skew data on so-called global-warming "to hide the decline." Given the controversies over the accuracy of Mr. Mann's past research, it is surprising his current explanations are accepted so readily.

GC sez
Dr. Mann, the aforementioned hoax generator, was also responsible for the "hockey stick shaped curve" was so crooked and exposed 5 years ago I am shocked he was still kicking around. I mean this guy had the integrity of a Chicago politician or an ACORN supporter or your basic union steward yet he is still a recognized schloctster big brain, thank you NY Times.

But I have observed in prior posts, a lifetime of working with PhD's has confirmed one thing, you can make a PhD do anything for money not unlike what the power of cheese has over dogs, or diamonds over babes.

This story was all foretold my the great, now deceased, Michael Crichton in his novel "State of Fear" meaning this was largely conventional wisdom among the sapient, it took emails hacked, and probably video for Al Gore.

It's a fraud kids like heterosexual AIDS and DDT and most things libtards spew.
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Msg: 49
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Posted: 11/29/2009 2:52:25 PM

I've wondered about that too. If we're the cause of warming now, what accounts for the drastic warming and cooling that went on long before people affected anything? What about all the oxygen those blue-green algae first put into our atmosphere, way back when? That must have had some effect on other gases in the air, and on the amount of sunlight the earth absorbed.

Oh, there's no doubt that climate change is a natural phenomenon, but asking, "how come the Earth is getting warmer now when it got warmer before," is akin to asking, "how come animals go extinct now when they went extinct before humans started changing the environment." I think you're just asking a rhetorical question, hoping that if an answer is forthcoming, it can be used to discredit the theories of climate change that are almost universally accepted by the scientists who study these changes. I'm sorry, but that's not going to happen.

Over the short term (thousands and tens of thousands of years), climate change is controlled by Milankovitch cycles, in which the orbit of the Earth changes over long periods of time. Over the long term (millions of years), continental drift is also an issue. Right now, there are major land masses over the poles - Antarctica, Greenland and the northern parts of various continents - and this causes the cycle of Ice Ages that Earth has been going through. Over the very long term (billions of years), movement of the Sun through the galaxy and the increasing size of the Sun affect the temperature of the Earth. Really, none of this accounts for the climate change we've seen over the past hundred years, while climatic models of greenhouse gas emissions, deforestation and global dimming do.
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Msg: 50
Cap and Trade and Global Warming
Posted: 12/3/2009 7:30:09 AM
Ok Elemen here is a question. Explain to me how transferring trillions of dollars of our money to others will stop or fix climate change. Exactly how much will it correct? How about a agreement that we all try and do better without monetary penalties or is this the actual purpose, get the money?

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