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 ibakecakes
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I'm dancing round my kitchen at the news that my twins have got places at the primary school I wanted for them. As a school governor myself, I know the agony some people go through if they do't get the reults they wanted.
How important do you feel that a child's initial schooling is on their future life? Or does it only come into play when they are attending secondary schools?
 *november babee*
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Posted: 3/3/2009 1:19:32 AM
i was brought up catholic, and went to a really good catholic school.. and i wanted my daughter to go to the same school. we lived in the next town and although the school was obliged to take a percentage of non-catholic kids-something to do with funding, but im not sure how- there was no guarantee she would get a place unless she was baptised catholic..so at 4 weeks old i had her baptised..
i dont know if i would have had her baptised anyway, my parents wanted me to but maybe i would maybe not, the guaranteed school place was definatley my primary reason for doing it...

the 2 schools near where i lived were just dreadful and i would have hated her to have to go there..
 pantsonfire
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Posted: 3/3/2009 2:00:13 AM
Our local secondaries are pretty much of a muchness...

I'm of the mindset that a child who wants to learn, will learn almost anywhere and a child who doesn't give a toss, will fail no matter how much you spend on their education...

My son is not special in anyway but he is reasonably intelligent and a bloody hard worker.. He is studying for 11 GCSE's and is expected to achieve all A* and A grades.. And this at a school which is sneered at by the local snob element...

A neighbours daughter goes to the 'high achieving' secondary of the area... She is doing 5 GCSE's and has been suspended twice.. Her schoolfriend has been expelled...

The school can only work with what it is given...
 ibakecakes
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Posted: 3/3/2009 2:19:20 AM
I so agree with you - I went to a private girls school til 13, hated every second of it......we didn't have enough money, didn't live in the right house, didn't have a merc or ferrai etc etc.............so in cosequence Idid absolutely bugger all work, and got myself suspended for filling the sinks with paper towels and floodin the toilets. Then at 13 my prents gace up trying to force me to like it and sen me to a mixed grammar school where I loved it, worked ard and got my A and O levels..........
For my own children, I want them to be happy, to do the best that they can and I will support them no matter what. I feel that I do want them at a school where the other parents give a toss but that's about it.
 pantsonfire
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Posted: 3/3/2009 4:16:23 AM
^^^ That's not strictly true Alma..

I agree schools are all becoming 'Colleges' of this that and the other... But it doesn't mean that children who are perhaps gifted in other areas of the curriculum are at a disadvantage...

Your son hasn't started his secondary school yet, you will see it more as he moves through his school though..

My son's school is Lyndon school and Humanities College with Solihull Music affiliated alongside it...

Yes he does Drama and is doing very well at it but he also on fast track Business studies and fast track, higher tier Maths and Science courses too... He has also been sent for trials at Warwickshire CCC by his PE teachers and is being pushed towards County track and field competition... (Oooh I should put this in the boasting thread, it sounds so big headed but I needed to prove a point!!)

The schools you mention where areas were practically barren on open days, are failing abysmally IMO, Schools should never put all the focus on their one specific area of expertise, they need to provide a full and well rounded curriculum ... A school whilst perfectly within their rights to specialise in one area, should not do it to the detriment of the other subjects!!!

That is just too great a sacrifice... For a child to miss out on a rounded education just to focus on something they show an aptitude for at age 11 is a massive mistake and one they will pay for dearly in later life...
 pantsonfire
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Posted: 3/3/2009 5:37:41 AM
^^ You have hit the nail on the head there Alma...

If your son is happy at his school he will learn more...
If he is enjoying his lessons, he will concentrate harder and take more in....

His emotional education is just as important as his academic education and by you ensuring he is happy first and foremost you will have given him the greatest boost you could have done...

Education doesn't end at 16 any more, if he finds school interesting and worth his while, he is far more likely to want to go into further education and that is where he can hone his specific skills to perfection...

So ignore those who criticise and keep on looking after your son's emotional well being as well as his intellectual needs..
 Gut_Reaction
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Posted: 3/3/2009 6:01:22 AM
Getting your kids into the right school is extremely important and can shape their lives. My youngest is just about to take her GCSE's and am delighted she has been offered an unconditional place at the local 6th Form College. Her elder sister went there and managed to get into Leeds Uni and my Son is in his first year there currently.

Very proud and happy Dad.
 pantsonfire
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Posted: 3/4/2009 3:07:33 AM
^^ You actually don't get any such grades in these schools.. Or rather you shouldn't!!

The only time you should see any such grading is in respect to SATs levels, gradings and expectations... Or GCSE's...

My daughter's parents evening was last night.. she is 7 and at key stage 1 SATs level..

We received the levels she is working at...

Literacy: Reading level 2a
Comprehension level 3
Writing level 3

Maths: Level 2a
Science Level 2a

Levels she is expected to achieve for her SATs... Levels 3 across the board...

They are marked

Level 1
Level 2c,2b, 2a
Level 3

In science you just get the level and not the sub-level...
Children at age 7 are expected to achieve a level 2b, this is the average score for a child of that age...

There are no grade D's

In all other subjects, the report focuses on ability and competence rather than grading...

As the child goes through school the numbers get higher but the sub-level letters are just those three a,b and c..

My son's recent report had stupid letters next to them which signified attitude, aptitude and homework levels...

The only grades he received were in regards to what level GCSE grade he was working towards .. ie, he has already attained a B GCSE in his Maths at age 14 and is working towards an A* .. And so on and so forth...


This grading system has been standardised across the board so as to gain a true picture of the education system as it stands...

So I'm unsure as to why or how your son has achieved these grades??
 pantsonfire
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Posted: 3/4/2009 3:59:10 AM
I've searched out my son's SATs results at age 11...

The achievable levels were..

3- Below expected
4- Expected
5- Beyond expectations
6 - Exceptional

My son achieved level 5's across the board and I received a note saying that he could sit a level 6 paper in maths if I wanted him to as he had scored a perfect 100%...

I chose not to... They know he's good at maths, I know he's good at maths, he knows he's good at maths... Had it been at GCSE level and ages then yes I'd have perhaps pushed him and coerced him into sitting his test early and maybe gaining higher grades but at age 7 and 11 when key stages 1 and 2 are sat, the results have very little bearing on the child's adult life and education options...

These again were the only grades on his reports.. All other comments were based on what he had already achieved, what he was competent at, what he was capable of and where he needed to work harder to gain what they thought he was able to achieve...

IMO at that age attitude and aptitude are just as, if not more, important than the academic grading achieved by a child...
 pantsonfire
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Posted: 3/4/2009 4:54:57 AM
Alma, I can't message you privately, I'm too young ...

So let's bore the forums with the SATs kak a little longer ...

They were initially set up to gauge how schools were performing.. They are not intended as a personal benchmark but more as an overview of each schools abilities.. Hence the tables published each year in the local press...

If schools are underachieving, they are warned and then given a time in which to improve or be shut down..

However they have become a useful tool for ensuring children are given the appropriate support in their schooling..

Secondary school's are meant to allocate pupils to appropriate class sets based on their overall report and how they perform in the initial weeks of their first year but SATS scores are now also taken into account...

SATS at age 13 are now being phased out because they are pretty much pointless and the marking last year was farcical... I believe they are also going to phase out the SATS at age 11 too in the near future...

The only grades that really matter in a child's future are their GCSE's and those from any further education ..
 pantsonfire
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Posted: 3/4/2009 11:25:49 PM
Msg 33, Alma.. You've changed it ... It used to be you have to be aged between 99 and 99 to message this person...

As to the levels achievable, yes in the standard tests a level 5 a is the highest level a child can reach but if a a child gets a particularly high score then the teacher has the option to (in conjunction with the parents) ask for the child to sit a higher test paper as well as the standard level paper and the child can then gain a 6, as in my son's situation..
 pantsonfire
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Posted: 3/5/2009 1:38:03 AM
Our children's schools provide maybe free extra curricular activities...

My daughters infant school has:-
Computer club
Dance club
Eco club
Cooking club
Song squad
Number crunchers
Bookworms

All free ...

My son's secondary school has:-
Homework club
Computer club
Football
Cricket
Athletics
Drama
Dance
Christian club
Music
Choir

And those are only the ones I know of... None of these require a fee...

I'm pretty sure they can't be unique?

Alma, I'm sorry it was my fault, I'd tried to message you a few days ago and noticed the restrictions, I'd not checked again sorry as you say quite often that you don't want messages from people you aren't already in contact with... Assumption huh.. Tut naughty me...

Our education system whilst not perfect, is a damned sight better than many ...
Our schools admissions policies desperately need an overhaul though...
 ibakecakes
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Posted: 3/1/2012 8:05:37 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17190

Ok so it's 'lit to get your kids into school' time again!! To what ends would you go to get your child into what you consider the right school? What do you base your judgements on? As Chair of the Admissions committee at our school, this year has been one of the most appalling one yet for the lengths people will go to to get their children into our school.......from people who say they have only just moved into this country and who have an e-mail from a church in another country to prove their faith commitment when infact they have lived here for 4 years(we're a church school), to people putting down relatives addresses to gain a place......at other schools to pretending that they are related to a child of the same surname........

What lengths do you think are appropriate to go to in order to get your child the correct school place?
 Nottinghamfellow
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Posted: 9/7/2013 10:34:15 AM
Regarding the title of this thread, I admit I had a massive crush on the new maths teacher. Mr Maynard. I have loved his gums ever since!
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