Plentyoffish dating forums are a place to meet singles and get dating advice or share dating experiences etc. Hopefully you will all have fun meeting singles and try out this online dating thing... Remember that we are the largest free online dating service, so you will never have to pay a dime to meet your soulmate.
     
Show ALL Forums  > Off Topic  > GM threatens to pull the bankruptcy trigger if it doesn't get more mo      Home login  
 AUTHOR
 SteelCity1981
Joined: 8/16/2005
Msg: 60
view profile
History
GM threatens to pull the bankruptcy trigger if it doesn't get more money.Page 6 of 6    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6)
Where did I say that the vast majority of workers stand around and watch the robots build the cars? I stated that the vast majority of robots do the hard work that workers no longer have to do, which is a fact. Everything I mentioned in my prior post, robots do now.

Explain to me why the UAW total hourly cost were nearly 20 dollars more per hour then their foreign counterparts last year? I'm not justifying anything that the CEO's salaries were for the big 3, because they too were a big part of the problem as well in terms of the amount of money that they demanded to gross.

I never proclaimed that CEO's of companies deserve that much money I proclaimed that they deserved a lot more money and greater benefits then an avg worker because they have much more greater responsibilities someone working in a factory. What is a main objective of your A) typical factor worker? To assemble a product as to where a district manager for example not only has the responsibilities of overseeing and managing who supervises the sales activity for a district, but also has to manage the product operations of a district as well. So of course they deserve more money with greater benefits because of their greater job complexity.

Yes and did you also read the part where I said that the CEO's are much to blame for their product mismanagement practices, because I clearly stated that in my last post, but you seem like the Unions are innocent bystanders in this like they had little to no part in the downfall of their companies that they worked for as in their past actions are totally justifiable, which is why I blame not only the CEO's of the big 3 but also the UAW as well, which is why the big 3 are in much more danger of going belly-up then their Foregien counterparts due to their overzellous CEO's and Unions.
 la_mom
Joined: 10/26/2006
Msg: 61
GM threatens to pull the bankruptcy trigger if it doesn't get more money.
Posted: 3/13/2009 9:06:15 PM
I think i've said OVER and OVER that I blame both the UAW and Management....you're the one that focuses only on the actual worker. I'm just writing this off to occupational envy at this point. You really don't know what you're talking about. Thanks for caring!
 maxxoccupancy
Joined: 2/5/2007
Msg: 62
view profile
History
GM threatens to pull the bankruptcy trigger if it doesn't get more money.
Posted: 3/13/2009 9:11:31 PM
Great. I refuse to buy a GM car, again. All they make are lemons. If I won't voluntarily pay my own money to an organization that expresses such utter contempt for the end consumer, why should politicians force me to keep this money losing operation alive against my will? Capitalism works because badly managed companies are threatened with going under if they don't turn their act around. Government bureaucracy doesn't work because state run monopolies can always lobby for larger tax subsidies when they lose money. If private companies can depend on tax funded bailouts every time they run amok, then there are no incentives to succeed and no reason to be careful with funds.

Once "bailed out," money losing operations tend to continue receiving subsidies until they are finally nationalized.
 SteelCity1981
Joined: 8/16/2005
Msg: 63
view profile
History
GM threatens to pull the bankruptcy trigger if it doesn't get more money.
Posted: 3/13/2009 9:26:38 PM
Oh yes that must be it. Is that why my initial post I went after GM as a "company" along with a few other post I made after my initial post as well? I didn't start focusing on the Unions until some of the comments in here were portraying the Union as more of the innocent bystander in all of this.

Writing this off as occupational envy? LOL, oh yeah that must be it. I like what I’m doing just fine thank you. Try these overzealous Companies and their Unions wanting to waste billions of Americans tax dollars which also includes my tax dollars as well going to them when the tax payers have nothing to do with the way that they ran their business practices into the ground. Yep I sure know nothing of what I’m talking about and I guess millions of other Americans that feel the same way as I do don't either right......
 maxxoccupancy
Joined: 2/5/2007
Msg: 64
view profile
History
GM threatens to pull the bankruptcy trigger if it doesn't get more money.
Posted: 3/13/2009 9:34:54 PM
I'll be the first to admit that unions need to accept and offer changes to become more competitive. However, it's not the union workers, but the officials who are causing problems. Most people don't know about the enormous manday contributions that companies have to make. Some maritime unions (like Seafarer's International Union) blatantly steal from their members. Counting union dues, working dues, SPAD contributions, administrative dues, and manday contributions, the union officials are pulling more money off of a worker than he is seeing from his base wages. Some of the union officials are making more money than the execs.
 la_mom
Joined: 10/26/2006
Msg: 65
GM threatens to pull the bankruptcy trigger if it doesn't get more money.
Posted: 3/14/2009 12:08:32 AM
Thanks Max! A reasonable response that I totally concur with.

Steel....

Guess what? I'm a freaking taxpayer too... in fact, I probably pay more in taxes than you do. I'm against the bailout because I believe that the way that a healthy economy works is that viable companies succeed and those overrun by greed and piss poor business plans fail. I don't think the taxpayer should be on the hook to save them...and IT"S MY JOB ON THE LINE. But, don't separate yourself from me when calling yourself a taxpayer....I am too.
 SteelCity1981
Joined: 8/16/2005
Msg: 66
view profile
History
GM threatens to pull the bankruptcy trigger if it doesn't get more money.
Posted: 3/14/2009 2:24:18 AM
That's funny that you say you are prob more of a tax payer then me considering you have no idea what I do or what I pay into each year. Yeah let’s not talk about me not knowing what I’m talking about when you make a hypocritical statement like that.

Where did I ever say that I’m separating myself as a tax payer? That so called separating myself that you are accusing me of is what they call putting “emphasis" onto a rebuttal statement. Furthermore, I do believe that I stated “Americans" tax dollars in that statement as well. So therefore your accusation of me separating myself from any other tax payers is an unwarranted assertion.
Show ALL Forums  > Off Topic  > GM threatens to pull the bankruptcy trigger if it doesn't get more money.