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 duracell_bunny_one
Joined: 1/21/2015
Msg: 89
Hillsborough - 15th April 1989Page 5 of 5    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5)
As no-one else seems inclined to come in - I was 43 at the time, so remember it well.
It was totally obvious that the fans were never to blame for what had gone wrong.
Them wots upstairs are very good at ar*e covering...nice to see it come unstuck
(for once)
I don't know where we go from here -
The Great & the Good are already doing the 'lessons have been learned,
lines have been drawn' bollox......

It'll be even better when they can pull your mobile phone records
and (probably) delete them - think it won't happen????

 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
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Hillsborough - 15th April 1989
Posted: 4/26/2016 12:07:29 PM
Aye hopefully now we can see some prosecutions. South yorkshire polis seem to be corrupt as hell.
The miners strike, hillsborough and rotherham. Thuggery and corruption seem to follow them around.

I watched the polis wummin on the nights news who said she was bullied into changing her statement. Its been a damn disgrace. Any polis who took part in the cover up should be jailed or at the very least lose all the pension rights.

Again though as the bunnster said the ranks at the top will sacrifice a couple of dafties and accept no blame.

It was disgraceful the way the fans were blamed and treated by politicians and press alike.

But i hope the families feel a wee bit better tonight.
 duracell_bunny_one
Joined: 1/21/2015
Msg: 91
Hillsborough - 15th April 1989
Posted: 4/26/2016 1:15:53 PM
.....and once again, the majik word Rotherham rears its head........

 vlad dracul
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Posted: 4/26/2016 10:47:00 PM
".....and once again, the majik word Rotherham rears its head........"

And why shouldn't rotherham get mentioned? This is the same polis who battered miners stupid, who then blamed liverpool fans for hillsborough and subsequently hid evidence and changed statements and then done the same in rotherham.

It's relevant. The same force who can lie about covering up child abuse are well capable of covering up their blame for the 96 deaths.

So I'm no exactly sure of your point. No everyone who reads this are aware that south yorkshire polis were involved in orgreave, hillsborough and rotherham.

And funnily enough how many polis have appeared in court for ANY of those?
 Justanotherchap
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Posted: 4/27/2016 2:47:34 AM
I don't think it is that simple Vlad. The miners strike was not supported by the vast majority of the population, people were fed up of strikes and being held to ransom by the unions. Similarly with Hillsborough. The British had an awful reputation for football hooliganism in the UK and Europe so when Hillsborough occurred the population was all to ready to believe the fans were at fault.

I note the the Sun and the Times didn't have Hillsborough on their front pages. So sad.

Where to now though. Is prosecuting anyone at this stage going to achieve anything especially with the chances of a conviction by a jury being extremely low.
 Justanotherchap
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Posted: 4/28/2016 4:11:52 AM
You weren't there then? I remember being stuck about 30 miles from home having to stay in a pub near where I was working because I didn't have enough petrol to get home and back again - the tanker drivers were on strike. The roads were empty due to lack of petrol and the fact they were covered in snow - Liverpool council workers were on strike and no snow clearing. When I did finally get home for the weekend I remember my uncle trying to get back home to the USA calling the airline asking for help to get to the airport. He finally lost it when he was told the train drivers were going on strike (remember there was no petrol). "How can I get to the airport then, ****ing Pony Express". That was about 1978-9 I think.


Thatcher was elected because of all these strikes. To break union power. We were fed up of Scargill whilst maybe having some sympathy for the miners, Remember, half of the miners were not on strike, part of a different union and a lot of those on strike were forced to by other miners.


Yes, the police did behave badly. And yes they were probably under orders to do so. But there wasn't a lot of sympathy from the general public.


All accidents have a series of events which when they all line up, in hindsight, if just one of them could have been stopped, the accident would not have happened.


The previous match commander was relieved it seems because one of his junior officers had committed some sort of prank which the Chief Constable was not amused about. It seems he was a stickler for discipline running the Constabulary more on Army lines. The new commander didn't take any advice from the previous chap nor from the experienced officers on duty that day. The match could have been held up but wasn't. It probably would have been if the previous commander had been in charge.

There are others! If you read this thread in it's entirety you will find that some grounds refused to install the barriers which added to the crush problems. You'll also discover if you read info coming out of the inquest that the police had previously said the ground was unsafe but no one did anything.

And remember, at that time Liverpool were halfway through a 6 year ban from European football after their fans rioted at Heysell stadium, resulting in the deaths of 39 Juventus supporters. 14 Liverpool fans were found guilty of manslaughter and each sentenced to three years' imprisonment. The tragedy resulted in all English football clubs being placed under an indefinite ban by UEFA from all European competitions (lifted in 1990–91). That may have had some effect on the police officer's and public's mindsets.
 skiptalker
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Posted: 4/30/2016 5:23:08 AM

So you were stuck on a motorway....pity you didn't lose your life on said motorway, you are such a sad specimen of humanity....this is what is wrong with this country...have a NICE life


such a horrible reply were you pissed when you wrote this you need a ban from here
 Justanotherchap
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Posted: 5/21/2016 3:01:12 AM
No I didn't get an apology not did I report it. I must admit to having been taken aback especially as it was wrong as well as particularly nasty. I feel sorry for someone who is so damaged they feel the need to post such stuff.
 Justanotherchap
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Posted: 6/28/2017 4:30:19 AM
So here we are a year on and now we see that some people are going to be prosecuted.

David Duckenfield will be prosecuted for manslaughter whilst the ex Chief Constable , Bettison, will be prosecuted for misconduct in a public office (I have no idea how serious an offence that is).

Three others will be prosecuted for intent to pervert the course of justic, Donald Denton the South Yorkshire police chief superintendent who operated in a senior role in that process, his deputy, chief inspector Alan Foster, and the then South Yorkshire police solicitor, Peter Metcalf.

I know the families will want justice but 28 years on, will justice be further served considering the resuts of the inquests and public enquiry?
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 102
Hillsborough - 15th April 1989
Posted: 6/28/2017 5:48:53 AM
As some of you may know, I'm not a football supporter myself, which is probably why I've never posted in this thread.
I think that the way some "football supporters"/hooligans behave is deplorable, and infantile.

But I think what angered people, and poured yet more misery, on those already grieving, was the attempt at "victim-blaming", based on the above premise, and the use of that by the authorities, to cover their own contributory incompetence.
The "closing of ranks" mentality by the police, all the way up to the highest levels, was a disgrace.

This sort of "gang loyalty", where members of an organisation feel obliged to lie on behalf of colleagues is, IMO., what needs to be challenged and changed.
(That may be happening now, with the advent of "whistleblowers?)
IMO., the "loyalty" of such "public servants" should always be only to the public.
I think all public servants, including politicians, should be made to "swear" some sort of "oath" to that effect, and to become immediately liable to criminal prosecutions, if it becomes apparent that they've acted in a way which is contrary to that.

I'll always remember 15-04-89,
because I was at a party that night, and the news was trickling through, which dampened the mood somewhat.

I didn't drink much, even back then, and so was already saying my goodbyes, at about 12 midnight, for the long drive home, from Amen Corner, near Bracknell, back to Oxford, (as I'd already had my two drinks).
When I got a phone call from my wife, (who I'd left at home, because she was heavily pregnant, and was 'due' in a couple of weeks) telling me she was having contractions every six minutes!
I asked her what happened to every half an hour, or every 15 minutes?!
She said she didn't think they were "real".

I got back (about 30 miles) in exactly 27 minutes!,
hitting speeds of 140mph at some points! And 70mph through the centre of Reading!
(Actually hoping to be stopped by the police, just so I could say "my wife's in labour", and get the obligatory "police escort". )
My second son was born at about 1am on 16-4-89.
So for me, it's a happy day, but "tainted" by other people's losses.

Anyhow, I hope there are some "deterrent sentences" handed out, to remind public servants, just to whom their loyalty really belongs.
And what happens when you tell lies.
Jmo
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