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 Redlance71
Joined: 2/2/2009
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RE [quote} Redlance71,
You reek of hypocrisy. Female-female is a homosexual act.

Hey mick2521, try reading all of the posts Einstein. I blatently stated I had the view that 2 females was not as disgusting in my opinion as male on male. I acknowledge it is a double standard that is not uncommon. I even tried to explain it. You've got no basis to attack me, I am neither fooling myself nor anyone else.

For your education and to explain out what the OP supposedly does not know are the reasons for this(though I know he does know) here I go again -

I find FF action can be a bit repulsive to me at times, and a turn on at others. It's not a fetish I pursue. Femininity is not reduced in my mind by seeing two women being close to each other. I do not care to see PDA in public from either FF or MM, I am equally turned off by seeing that either way. I'm not a big fan of big PDAs put on by anybody straight or otherwise. It's poor taste imho and too distracting. I have issues with porn in general so it is not an active part in my life but when I did view it I was not into same sex scenarios, didn't mind seeing FFM and tolerated MMF. In some strange sense women sexually expressing with each other was almost a femininity booster, my drawback to FF stuff is it is unnatural in some ways. This is why FF not a full blown turn-on for me. When a dildo was brought into a scene it was almost a turn off for me yet I have no inhibitions or fears of seeing my mate use any toy she wants and even using them on her. Odd huh?

I find MM action to be very repulsive to me. I don't ever see myself wanting to be in a sexually vulnerable situation with a man. Male on male action for me is demasculation. In my mind there can be only one male and if I was into dudes someone would have to be the "bi**ch". No, it's not about aggression either. I see MM actions as invasive. Most of the time some guy's member is going into a body part of another guy and NO guy has a place in thier body where the male member is DESIGNED to go. To an accused "homophobe" like me it's unnatural, disgusting, invasive and destructive emotionally and mentally. This is not everybody's view - to each thier own. I resent being called a homphobe cause I wont jump on the sausage wagon. It's ignorant.

Core of the question was would I indulge on a woman's MMF fantasy if she really wanted it. My answer - I don't see myself wanting to do that for my girl. I won't say never. MMF does not mean some guys has to blow me or even intentionally touch me. My tolerances broaden and tighten depending on the relationship. Would I like to see FFM action with her in it? Probably not. She's not into that so neither am I. I once had chance for FFM with me and I turned it down, my issue since then has been why the hell did I turn it down? Each women was very hot! What would it have been like? It wasn't perfomance anxiety. More than likely my faith convictions kicked in. It's the only explanation I have got.
 windloverr
Joined: 2/29/2008
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Posted: 3/24/2009 6:18:59 PM

and yet I did apologize just to appease any who found the original post offensive…Sorry again: Re-read post #48. I did EXACTLY THAT, even after your unwarranted accusations and remarks.
Right, which came right after post 46. So, you expected to rant and rave in #46, then act as if nothing happened in #48 and get all beside yourself because I responded to you? Come on chief, one way or the other please, you can't have it both ways. No pun intended.


Try SHOWING how "tolerant" you are, not claiming it with past references no one can see or prove.
Ummmm…the posts I referenced are current; and have been posted in the last few days; which obviously reflects how I feel NOW; AND were posted before you had posted anything, so are obviously NOT influenced by this post in any way. Regarding my past actions; are you calling me a liar? LMAO What?…do you think I would make something like that up in order to “look good” for you? Trust me on this one, it’s not going to happen. Besides, you know what, I REALLY don’t give a d*mn one way or the other what you think of me.

As for “everyone who got it right”, they are simply answering the question; which I also did. However, my issue was NOT with the question, (as badly as you keep trying to pretend it was) it was with HOW you stated it. So run around, wave your arms, and deny all culpability, and rant about my homophobia and insecurity; that will certainly clear things up. Also, for the record, I’ve also gotten personal emails FROM WOMEN telling me “good job for ripping that guy…he knows what you’re talking about.” Of course, you’re not going to believe me; but again, I don’t care.

Frankly, you win. I give up. You wore me down. I’ve pointed out specifically and explicitly what my issues were using YOUR OWN LANGUAGE QUOTED DIRECTLY FROM YOU; and you go off on a lengthy rant, then pretend you addressed it, or deny you ever said anything. There is absolutely NO purpose to continuing parallel monologues with you. I ask you what time it is; and you tell me how to make a sandwich. I’m done.

You know what else? In future posts, if I agree with you, I’ll say so. If I don’t, you’ll know that too.
 windloverr
Joined: 2/29/2008
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Posted: 3/24/2009 7:12:23 PM
OP, do you know what is absolutely hilarious? I went back and re-read my posts. All I did was specifically address how INTOLLERENT YOU WERE (post 41); then YOU turned it back on me and started all this homophobia and insecurity BS. I DIDN’T EVEN MENTION straight or gay…YOU DID!!! (post 46 when you were addressing me; although you had picked up that flag and were waving it long before I stepped into the fray) ROFLMAO

YOU made it a straight/gay thing; then called ME out saying “this isn’t even about straight or gay”, then went on about how I/we must be homophobic, insecure, and bigoted since we also must like woman on woman fantasies…YOU WERE BRILLIANT!!! I defended myself for stuff I didn't even imply! I EVEN AGREED WITH YOU AND SUPPORTED YOU ON SEVERAL POINTS!! HOW FUNNY!!!

You based your entire offense (and I say offense; because you never did address the specific comments I made) on the fact that you didn’t specifically name someone. YOU ASKED THE QUESTION!!! OF COURSE WE NAMED YOU, YOU DOLT;………IT’S YOUR POST!!!!

My bet is you sucked in Philosophy or Logic; but rocked in Debate. Absolutely hilarious!

Ok, you wanted a list of 5 unaddressed issues; I picked 6, please forgive me.
1/Show me the post where I talk about how much I’m into FF fantasies.
2/Show me the post where I discuss what women’s fantasies should be.
3/Show me a quote anywhere where I am anything BUT supportive of gays.
4/Show me where I, in any way, referred to the SUBJECT of your post, and not your attitude.
5/Show me where I even mentioned your “intentions” or “agenda”.

Well this must be a whole new breed of men and women, because I have heard it from people………I can only go by what I've heard and seen I guess, which probably carries a bit more weight in the end…all the adamant protests seem a little extreme from real life situations… situations I experienced.….. Everyone on POF must be different from every other place I've talked about it.…. All I did was say what I've heard and seen ...
Wow, touched on a big nerve with lots of macho manly men-men. Gawd, the hostility is so telling....the margin of how dishonest many are and how far society has to go yet.

6/Since you accuse me of making my own interpretation; please specifically address the quotes I have highlighted, and explain to me that you are NOT accusing people of lying. If I “cherry picked” please feel free to expand the quotes so that they encompass your “REAL” intentions.
 curious1067
Joined: 2/12/2009
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Posted: 3/25/2009 12:34:55 AM
Ok speeking for my Woman there have been many talks and openess on Fantasies and this is one of them, Yes I did accompany her in this desire and it turned out awesome. After we played we got home and still had the best sex ourselves. call it being open minded or what. I did this for her because I love her and so much more in our relationship has become wonderful. many paths and choices in life. Sex is sex and making love is such that.
 smokefriendly
Joined: 3/26/2008
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Posted: 3/26/2009 8:49:36 AM
I would never perform this for a woman I date. I do not care how hot she is, how much I love her.

I have also never been asked for it. As shallow as it is I had a Q and A with a girl I was dating and we discussed the 3 some topic. After some talk she told me in college she was in a MMF and the she wanted to watch the guys too. I won't home that night and just could not get it out of my head. I broke up with her because of this.

I just do not think most men have the capacity to enjoy this or stomach it.
 Positively Optimistic
Joined: 1/21/2008
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Posted: 3/27/2009 11:27:41 AM
While I can enjoy the view of two men, and may fantasize about it, my man is MINE... not to be shared with anyone, male or female!
 windloverr
Joined: 2/29/2008
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Posted: 3/27/2009 5:01:11 PM
Dude, I don’t know you; but you have some very serious issues. I’ve read some of your other posts; and I don’t find your overall perspective offensive in the least; but you are killing me on this post with your absolute inability to address specific issues; and you stated inability to see anything from any perspective but your own; AND denying very pointed and specific things you say yourself. Your technique of answering a question with a question, and completely avoiding the question asked, or the point made, is getting very very old. When I accuse you, or make a point I use direct quotes coming straight from your posts. When you answer, you make vague unfocused accusations or statements.

Show me where I said that you referred to the SUBJECT in the first place?
You are fu*king kidding me right? First off, you are answering a question with a question. Are you saying that you NEVER dissed me for my views on homosexuality, or women’s fantasies? You are truly a piece of work.

…I said you kept accusing me or assuming my attentions, then from the start attacked me
I AM assuming you meant “intentions”. I referred to, “your arrogant, condescending, judgmental, name calling; and your implied superiority of intelligence and experience” NOTHING about INTENTIONS OR MOTIVES!!! ALL about ATTITUDE.

Huh??? Where did I say "windloverr" or "you" are into FF fantasies??? Instead, show show me (unless when I talked about meant many men in general which I did refer to, that somehow meant "you").
You start the next quote with ”Windloverr” and without a break in the paragraph go into anger coming from “straight” men; then about those men fantasizing about two women; THEN into them deciding on women’s fantasies. If you even want to pretend you weren’t addressing me and my “anger” then would you mind explaining why you mentioned it in a post you directed at ME. Do not even pretend that you just happened to be throwing out a topic of academic interest to me in eager anticipation of my input on the subject.

Post 46: Wow Windloverr, you sure like to "cherry-pick" quotes and then infer them how you wish, then hurl accusations at me and what you seem to assume about my intentions and motives. Again, it is very interesting that all the anger and outrage comes from (some of the) straight men: those that have no problem seeing two women together as not only acceptable but "hot", then assume it is for them to decide what a woman's fantasy should be and what is okay or acceptable.
Are you actually going to pretend you WEREN’T talking to me even though the paragraph, and the entire thread, were directed specifically to me? Here you addressed “straight”; “fantasies of two women”; and “deciding what a woman’s fantasy should be”. If you DID NOT mean that I fit that profile; would you please rewrite, and repost exactly what your point to me was? If you DID mean to imply that I fit that profile; please list the direct and specific quotes, LIKE I DID, that give you that impression. If not, please address me as someone who’s fantasies ARE NOT RELEVANT to the discussion, and unless you have evidence to the contrary, address me as someone who respects women, and peoples right to fantasize about what they choose.

Just because you choose to take things a certain way (and gee, does it have anything to do with you being a straight man, many who shudder at the mere thought of a question like that, but drool over two "lipstick lesbians" doing it?)
LMAO here AGAIN you mention the fact that I’m straight, AND what straight men’s fantasies are. Again, if you were NOT referring to me; then please quit trying to redirect focus away from YOU.
We all know anger stems from men who can't dare to think of homosexuality unless it is with two women for their own pleasure.
This makes THREE of YOUR quotes dealing with lesbian fantasies, addressed at me. STILL trying to deflect the attention from YOU.

3/Show me a quote anywhere where I am anything BUT supportive of gays…….You mean after you started in your first posted by being hostile and insulting me from the start without asking but assuming you knew my intention, because you and two others of dozens decided to take it the wrong way? Sure, there have been a couple posts in this thread saying how you are supportive. A little late after accusing and attacking, but conveniently brought up like on page 3 or 4. Talk is cheap to me, and since I don't know you, I'll go by your reaction in general from the start.
Ooooooooo…it is all about you isn’t it? Ummmmm…my issue is with YOU; it has NOTHING TO DO WITH GAY!!!! LMAO, “conveniently brought up…” WTF? WHY would I bring it up? Trying to look good? Give me a break. My “…reaction from the start.” Has NOTHING TO DO WITH GAY; IT’S ABOUT YOU.

Well this must be a whole new breed of men and women, because I have heard it from people………I can only go by what I've heard and seen I guess, which probably carries a bit more weight in the end…all the adamant protests seem a little extreme from real life situations… situations I experienced.….. Everyone on POF must be different from every other place I've talked about it.…. All I did was say what I've heard and seen ...
Wow, touched on a big nerve with lots of macho manly men-men. Gawd, the hostility is so telling....the margin of how dishonest many are and how far society has to go yet.….Sorry, your boldface "highlights" show nothing where I said "if they answered one way they had to be lying".
ARE YOU FU*KING KIDDING ME??? You are fu*king delusional.

You asked for specific numbered questions; and I gave you specific numbered questions. Then you respond with this delusional BS. No, I don’t want emails from you regarding this. You made your comments in a public forum; and I responded to them in a public forum. Anybody reading this knows what’s going on. Just because they answered your initial question doesn’t mean they BELIEVE your rantings. I answered this; and responded to other posts you have made on other threads. I refer back to my original post; and stand behind everything I said. Just because people answered the way you wanted them to answer later; DOESN’T excuse your calling them liars in the beginning; and denying you made comments directed at me simply points out that you don’t have the balls to stand up and defend what you said. I can absolutely respect someone who disagrees with me; but not someone who weasels around trying to pretend they didn’t say or do, what in fact, everyone knows they did. You really come off fairly pathetically doing so. Don’t even bother addressing this post; I’m done wasting my time even attempting to discuss it with you.
 newblue1970
Joined: 3/7/2008
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Posted: 3/27/2009 8:00:34 PM

And to say that a woman with another woman is totally cool and hot and that a man with another man is revolting, is just the margin of how dishonest many are and how far society has to go yet. When a man is horny (especially drunk) the things I've seen the straight ones do to get off would apparently shock many

OP - I think this is one of the statements that initiated the anger towards you. I was mildly offended by it and wanted to add myself the count you took of people who didnt like what you said or the way you said it. You are stating that society has to like two men together or its being dishonest. Just why does society have to like it? Just because many have voiced that they dont like it or find it disgusting does NOT mean that those people are homophobic or insecure. Its just a sexual activity preference, just like some people may find oral or anal sex 'revolting'.

I am VERY open minded sexually and have done things that are way off the 'normal' or even kinky lists, but I just can never bring myself to be at all interested in sex with another guy. Yes, I admit to the double standard of loving the idea of women together but so what? Its just some things turn me on, other things turn me off. But no one can or should be attacked for their preferences.

What society DOES have to do is be more tolerant of others beliefs or preferences. I may cringe and fast forward through any MM activity in porn, but that doesnt mean I'm intolerant. And as I saw in the sexually open swingers world, FF is VERY common and MM is VERY rare; thats just the way it is. More people like it that way and thats why porn sells that way. And its not wrong. The only wrong thing is being derogatory towards those with different ideas and judging them harshly for liking something you dont. We dont have to like MM, we just have to say 'to each his own' and let all consenting adults do what they want together.

And BTW - NO totally straight man, no matter HOW drunk would be horny enough to get off with a guy. I'd say they were bi-curious at the minimum.
 cw35
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Posted: 3/28/2009 6:59:21 AM
phxniceguy: I think that a lot more women than would ever admit in here would probably think it was a turn on if they really thought about it. Society has evolved in such a way that female + female affection is not viewed as threatening but everyone (both men and women) seems conditioned to think that any male signs of affection are strange and out of place. I suppose this is why the whole female+female sex fantasy seems so widely accepted. It is what it is I suppose. Also, please stop responding to hotairlovrr's crap (or trap as the case may be). You could say "Have a nice day" and he'd find a way to get a thousand quotes out of it and whine about the fine points of it until it would make you want to vomit from all the griping about how the sentence wasn't presented properly. You can't argue with a know it all who has a quotation fetish. He probably sits there with his pants down scrolling through different fonts just to check out the different types of quotation marks.
 Kickn1Back™
Joined: 4/5/2005
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Posted: 3/30/2009 7:42:13 PM
OP, after reading your post, I can honestly say that you got some hidden desires!!!! To each HIS own. Iffn' a woman was to fantasize about me with another feller, she needs to brace herself to split the sheets and move her @$$ to San Fran.

KB
 cw35
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Posted: 4/1/2009 8:22:27 AM
neon: Read PhxNiceGuy's profile. He's gay, so I don't think he's looking for conformation to have sex with another man or a few men if that's what he wants.
 El_Mariachi
Joined: 4/21/2007
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Posted: 4/11/2009 9:22:13 AM

On the other hand, I've had several girlfriends who made it absolutely clear that they never wanted a guy who'd been with another guy. Oddly, one of those had fantasies about being with multiple guys herself - but in more of a gang-bang scenario, with no interaction between the guys. She also said it was 100% in the realm of fantasy, and she'd never do it in real life.


That's the beauty of fantasy. All it ever gets used for regularly is fodder. Some people live them out, but who would bother if each person wasn't totally ok with the proceedings?

Most completely straight guys wouldn't understand why it'd be a turn on fantasy, granted, but who cares? Chances are he's got no requests to let his gf watch him nail a guy in his future.

I think an angry reaction to even the idea that his woman fantasizes about this is pretty much overkill, however.

It always amazes me how angry people get over these topics.. and the women on the last page or so with the sniping amazes me even more.
 El_Mariachi
Joined: 4/21/2007
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Posted: 4/11/2009 12:19:02 PM

But whatever.You missed ALOT.Seriously!


Odd, Ive been around this thread since the OP first started it.. so I wonder what I missed?

Seems to me that a lot of folks like to tell others "Oh, well you missed something" if I think (or someone thinks) that the behaviour they are seeing is just gross. Obviously I've read most, if not ALL of the thread to have even come to my conclusion, no? Wow. I read the thread, so now I have an opinion. Hmm.. pretty damned logical. Happens all the time.. it's the strangest thing.

Feel singled out or something? ALL the sniping back and forth is pretty vile, end of story and since I didn't single you out 9there's been sniping since the beginning), I have to wonder why you felt well... singled out.
 OjosAzules777
Joined: 1/23/2009
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Posted: 4/12/2009 9:42:06 AM
Wow, touched on a big nerve with lots of macho manly men-men. Gawd, the hostility is so telling. Oh and btw, I didn't ask MEN if they liked to see MEN with MEN, I said that for women to like it is equivalent to men liking two women, and for a MAN to tell a WOMAN that she has no right to like the same thing in reverse is pure horse shit and narrow-mindedness and repressing women's own sexual fantasies. I am so glad I'm not a woman submitting to the double standards of straight men who live by double standards when it comes to the goose/gander thing. So your point about YOU thinking seeing men is disgusting is moot; read the original post

-Aside from double standards or societal opinions it comes down to the fact that even straight women can appreciate feminine beauty or appearance and have NO sexual attraction whereas men don't look at other men that way. Guys dont say your BF is so handsome and dresses nice! Most women don't want to see it. Just the way it is.
 Dave 333
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Posted: 4/12/2009 6:47:08 PM

Especially when men say they wouldn't want to see their woman with another woman. I know that is very common so it is hard for me to know how forthcoming everyone is being.


Maybe in the circles you hang out with it's common, but I think many men who may get turned on by watching a little GG still would not want to see their woman doing it.
 purplepalooza
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Posted: 4/13/2009 2:38:06 AM
Heeeeelllllllllll noooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 El_Mariachi
Joined: 4/21/2007
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Posted: 4/18/2009 8:12:03 AM

I only date straight women so this wouldn't even be an issue.


Hate to tell you this, but some straight women have fantasies too. Getting so upset about fantasies seems pretty odd to me.
 Demichtrev
Joined: 11/17/2008
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Posted: 8/17/2009 3:51:43 PM
Okay I might sound sick when i say this but the thought of my man mounting another man is a real turn ON. I'm bi so the thought of my partner wanting to explore their sexual side is cool in my book.
 Dumpling-Girl
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Posted: 9/30/2009 5:37:05 PM
I am straight, but the idea appeals to me. To watch, and also as part of MFM. I'm not sure how much of a turn on it would be to see the two guys together, probably would require two really hot (to me) guys and a lot of caressing and softness. If it was too rough, it might just be like watching wrestling or something - not a turn on at all.
 bikeman1467
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Posted: 10/1/2009 1:53:00 PM
B) How many men would do this with/for your woman (assuming she'd do the same for you with another woman)?
NO WAY IN HELL do I want to voluntarily be in this sort of scenario. This has nothing to do with any sort of offer for me to be in a FFM scenario, which I probably wouldn't go for, but I haven't ever been in this scenario--I'd probably try it once with a woman who was my partner and she asked me to try it--but I'd never introduce the topic to her.
 HarDayKnight
Joined: 12/27/2007
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Posted: 10/13/2009 6:11:44 PM

I find the idea exciting. Sexuality is an interesting thing. I am straight, but if my partner wanted to make this fantasy happen, I would do it. I have watched gay porn with a girlfriend and it made both of us hot.



Ya gotta love the "I'm straight, but I'd suck a d!ck." posts.





CSB... (Just another closet homo hatin' on the open minded. )
 MsMicki
Joined: 10/2/2006
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Posted: 10/13/2009 6:19:48 PM
Nope........never have had that fantasy.
Definately not my thing.
 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 208
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Posted: 10/13/2009 6:20:39 PM
If I were dating a girl who told me she had this fantasy...

I'd probably dump her. On the spot.

Actually I'd think about it for a few minutes and then dump her.

-8sf8
 HarDayKnight
Joined: 12/27/2007
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Posted: 10/14/2009 7:43:11 AM
CSB,
Are you volunteering? You look purdy.




I'd have to see how you look in a dress before I can answer that question.
 sortanice12009
Joined: 9/7/2009
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Posted: 5/25/2010 3:19:57 PM
I'm down for almost any fantasy my woman might have, I don't condemn or judge, I just wanna have fun. This doesn't seem that outrageous to me as far as fetishes go, although I don't think I could ever kiss, caress, etc another guy. That kind of intimacy I think would be impossible for me with a guy. My only requirement of women is that you HAVE a fantasy of some kind. Everybody does. Just tell me what it is! I hate it when women just do what I want them to do, say what I want them to say and generally turn into little zombies with vaginas. It bores me to tears, no matter how hot they are.

Be interesting. Shock me. Make me do bad things. Trust me, I'll love you for it.
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