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 aremeself
Joined: 12/31/2008
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Can God be challenged conversationally? Page 5 of 5    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5)
the bible is some book. many have little use for it .
I would think you would have to believe in an inteligent designer before spiritualy understanding it, and even then it could take a while.

as far as challenging god, if you think he is doing something wrong, yes definitely. how else are you to learn his ways? I dont think you even have to believe in him, although it might help. humbly asking is good, even angry is ok!

ok, we might have to get over our intimidation of him a bit, after all some of us think he built the universe, and we cant build a fly. [why would we, frog food?]
 Go Rin No Sho
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Can God be challenged conversationally?
Posted: 4/29/2009 6:17:01 PM
Jim Morrison answered this question eloquently about 40 years ago.

(YAWN)

Next question.
 packagedealx3
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Can God be challenged conversationally?
Posted: 4/30/2009 7:42:48 AM
If you want an interesting perspective on this, I suggest you read The Shack because it is actually explained very well. God knows what is going to happen and yet He could easily have an intellectually stimulating conversation because like a parent, while the subject is old to Him, it is not to you and He would enjoy being a part of your experience and perhaps fostering emotional and intellectual growth.

I see you don't have children which is why your child analogy is so incorrect. First of all, for the adult, having a conversation with a three-year-old is often challenging and intellectually stimulating because the adult (God in your analogy) must find a means of conveying information in a way the child will understand; age-appropriate language, and/or finding the light bulb. Children also often, sometimes too often, ask questions that they are really not capable of understanding so for the parent, the task becomes boiling a complicated topic down to something that the youngster can work with. More importantly, God loves us and doesn't require that we DO anything in order for that love to exist and like a parent, for Him to enjoy us no matter the capacity of the individual or the conversation just is.

The other area where you are way off on the kid analogy is believing that while their minds work in fairly simplistic ways because of their cognitive development, that they are not really capable of intelligent and stimulating conversation. Have you never been around kids? Even the uber young can make comments that floor you with their wisdom because they see life simply, without all of the overlays of protective b.s. in the middle of conversations because adults learn to protect themselves from emotional harm. Children are without guile and they are usually painfully honest, astute observers without the societal filters that will eventually help them unlearn this valuable skill.

Just because you know how a movie ends, is it not a good movie or are you capable of getting popcorn and enjoying the show?
 aremeself
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Can God be challenged conversationally?
Posted: 5/6/2009 8:42:03 PM
this thing about dying, and being resurrected, whats the big deal about it, its no more a miracle [TO ME] [gotta say that right?] than the original conception.
its just that any nincompoop [two of them] can make a baby, and no one I have met so far can raise the dead.
but at least he is all there, all you got to do is put the life back in him.
Can God be challenged conversationally?
Posted: 9/28/2013 12:40:53 PM
I challenge god all the time. He sucks at conversation. Kind of an oaf. Talks to himself a lot too.
 CressB
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Posted: 9/28/2013 6:02:27 PM
^^^

It's had to have a conversation with yourself. Especially, when all you do is ignor yourself all the time.
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
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Posted: 9/28/2013 10:51:06 PM

i believe man had a verry flawed concept of god, we make him masqulin{sic} and humanoid.... in my opinion the truth is it is niether, and all at the same time..., i see god as the origional life spark from when all other sparks of life came from.. filtering down threw the 11 dimentions until it hits us... we are on the lowest levle of exsistance.


^ well put! (if we look past the spelling).
 Proteaus
Joined: 6/9/2009
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Posted: 10/2/2013 3:48:29 PM
Before God can be challenged conversationally it first hast to be proven that there is in fact a God to challenge .
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
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Posted: 10/2/2013 4:58:12 PM

it first hast to be proven that there is in fact a God to challenge .


Existence (or non existence) of Supernatural being(s) is not subject to conventional proofs
God(s) cannot be proven to exist in the same way as electricity or black-holes do

If you've been on these type of threads for as long as you've been on POF,
then you should know this already!
 Demigod1979
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Can God be challenged conversationally?
Posted: 10/5/2013 7:43:34 PM

Existence (or non existence) of Supernatural being(s) is not subject to conventional proofs
God(s) cannot be proven to exist in the same way as electricity or black-holes do

If you've been on these type of threads for as long as you've been on POF,
then you should know this already!

I disagree. Although some theists state that God is beyond science, they continue to make claims that are within the realm of science. Prayers, miracles, claims made in the Bible concerning history/nature - ALL of these can be tested by science and proven/disproven.

Basically it comes down to:

1. God is beyond all natural detection - this kind of God has absolutely no influence on the natural world, therefore there is no point on prayer, worship or even recognition (you might as well behave as if God doesn't exist)

2. God influences the natural world - claims can be tested by science and proven/disproven. This kind of God is worth praying to, but is subject to the scientific method.
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
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Posted: 10/22/2013 6:33:01 PM
Demi


some theists state that God is beyond science, they continue to make claims that are within the realm of science.


I'm not sure who or what you are talking about. If a "god that is beyond science" manipulates things in the Universe (that is subject to physical laws), it cannot be explained logically, and therefore it isn't "within the realm of science" thus cannot be explained by empirical means.


God is beyond all natural detection - this kind of God has absolutely no influence on the natural world,


Just because God is beyond "natural detection", does not mean he/she/it, cannot have influence on the natural world. This is a flawed premise. See the link below (which is just one small example).

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/0302/074_cancer_miracles.html

Btw, I'm not insinuating that the results in these cases discussed came as a result of miracles (in the classical sense); but more so to illustrate that unseen (unmeasurable, undetectable, unquantifiable) forces can impact on natural processes, such that are unexplained by empiric analysis. Whether or not a triggering event can be brought to light is anybody's guess!


therefore there is no point on prayer, worship or even recognition (you might as well behave as if God doesn't exist)


Because your antecedent premise is flawed, this ^ conclusion is not valid.


God influences the natural world - claims can be tested by science and proven/disproven.


^ another flawed statement; if an individual who has some documented fatal disease all of a sudden exhibits being cured and says that "he was visited by an angel (or demon) who effected a cure", then by what means can his story be verified and/or by what means can he be proven false!
 Doremi_Fasolatido
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Can God be challenged conversationally?
Posted: 10/22/2013 8:14:49 PM
God does'nt have any interest in intellectual conversation with people. He was, after all watching the Tea Party Congressfolk shut down our country over the last week. God then decided garden slugs would be more intellectually stimulating to converse with than people.
 Bachelorette.Number1
Joined: 4/18/2013
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Posted: 10/25/2013 11:25:22 PM
Nope. God doesn't converse in the way you're referring to.

Challenged? So you don't agree with Him? It'd be like not agreeing with gravity. So, He won't care if you agree or not just like gravity doesn't give a crap whether you agree or not with it.
It's not the nature of God to care what you like or don't like. It should be your nature to look around this place and decide for yourself.
He leaves it up to you to figure out what you agree with and what you don't. You can go either way. Either way won't matter, except to you.
 _babblefish
Joined: 9/23/2011
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Posted: 10/26/2013 9:36:59 AM

He's like a super marine, as Clint Eastwood in Heartbreak Ridge would say, He improvises, overcomes and adapts !


the goddess siri answers my challenges via a smartphone. .
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