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 gracengracie
Joined: 2/3/2009
Msg: 326
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OP

<quote> The fact that they are here illegally makes them a criminal</quote>

Since summer is coming up, maybe you could sign up for LAW 101 summer class. You are lost.
People take illegal left turns...I don't think they are automatic criminals.
So your conclusion is WRONG.

Im against illegal immigration. As I am against anything illegal.

Op If you want to report illegal...go ahead, if its right or wrong....who cares...do as you wish and makes you happy. Just don't expect everyone to agree with your views and concepts.
 ElMachine
Joined: 4/19/2008
Msg: 327
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Posted: 5/22/2009 2:09:30 PM
Hi Splendere,

I know. We should work very hard in our countries and everybody will be happy and end of story.

It is very easy to say that. It is easy to say deport everybody, build a wall and everything is solved.

But you have no idea how it is. I know is wrong to come to the country illegal. Yes they are criminals because they did that. I'm also a criminal because I have broken the law many times. I applaud you for being such a good citizen that have never broken the law.

Illegal aliens come to work. Those I dont think should be deported. If they come to do something else, feel free to deport them. Why dont they work in our own country? Because they will die of starvation. Simple as that. I invite to visit my home country, Honduras. Dont go to our beautiful resorts, Mayan Ruins, etc. Go to our poor neighberhoods and you will understand why people come to this country illegal. I bet everyone in this thread saying to deport illegals would have done something illegal to prevent their kids to die from starvation. I know I would.

Building walls, mass deportations, shooting them is not the answer. Because guess what? they will still come over.

We need to see the root of the problem and that is our current corrupt governments. Look at Mexico. They are one of the richest Latin countries and still have so much poverty. They need a change. Illegal immigration CANNOT be stopped but it can be reduced. But Latin America is controlled by corrupt people that I dont see any good change coming soon. It's sad really.

I know I wont change your mind and feel free to call them criminals, but just remember, when it involves your life, and the life of your children, you are willing to do anything to survive.
 ElMachine
Joined: 4/19/2008
Msg: 328
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Posted: 5/22/2009 3:29:00 PM
ok you are taking the one case of the woman with many kids and you think every family is like that? please. I know plenty, plenty of hispanics families here in California, and I have yet met one with 8 kids. Americans only have 2 kids? wow. Are you talking about the rich, sorority type families in the OC?

Just a FYI. Gangs were formed in the USA by the Saladorian refugees that left their country because of the Regime. Which was caused by?

You are taking the few illegal immigrants that commit murder and you think everybody is like that? Would you like me to judge you by what other people your race do?

Invade us huh? are you a Native American? ok if you are, then you have all the right to say that. But if you are other kind of race, please, thats just irony.

I see one of your big problems is them having lots of kids, then we need to address that issue, not deporting them. How can you deport the parents and the kids will go where? orphanage? And also, not only hispanics, but white peopple and african americans have the same problem. You should really visit your own country and you will see what I'm talking about.

This is a very sad thing going on. It saddens me looking at my fellow countrymen coming to this country just to survive. I wish it was different. I come from Honduras, I have gone to the poorest neighberhoods, where they dont even have houses, they build their shacks with aluminum pieces of roofs and they look for food in the trash. I remember one time I took a bus fullof Americasn to give them food/gifts/clothes, and they all came back to the bus crying their eyes out and just with a different perspective of what goes on in third world countries.

I wish you would understand where I come from but is hard to explain with words.

Have a nice day.
 soisaid
Joined: 1/27/2009
Msg: 329
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Posted: 5/22/2009 4:16:54 PM

We need to see the root of the problem and that is our current corrupt governments.

it is unfortunate that you could be talking about the US government as well as Mexico's


Look at Mexico. They are one of the richest Latin countries and still have so much poverty. They need a change. Illegal immigration CANNOT be stopped but it can be reduced.

Then shouldn't the people of Mexico do what they have to to change this? I mean they are risking their lives to come to the US illegally in large numbers, why don't they band together and risk their lives to make thier country a better place to live for all of their people?


But Latin America is controlled by corrupt people that I dont see any good change coming soon. It's sad really.


yes it is very sad, but like you said there is a lot of money in Mexico, and they have a wonderful heritage, and most of the Mexican people I know are hard working, nice people. They deserve better from their homeland, but they are going to have to be the ones that demand it, and are willing to sacrifice for it.

And as current events are showing us all to often, a lot of things in the US are controlled by corrupt people as well. And we here will have to take a good look at ourselves and do what is needed to bring back integrity and honesty to our government and corporations.



I know I wont change your mind and feel free to call them criminals,

feel free to call them criminals? they are breaking our laws,, so that does make them criminals.


but just remember, when it involves your life, and the life of your children, you are willing to do anything to survive.

See, you do understand why some people are so upset about the illegal aliens. They see them as a threat to their life, their childrens life, and to their WAY of life.
Is it wrong to report / turn in illegal Aliens
Posted: 5/22/2009 4:28:23 PM

Go to our poor neighberhoods and you will understand why people come to this country illegal..


Come to our poor neighborhoods and you will see why so many Americans are staunchly against illegal immigrants. Come see the way the poor of America have to live. Then take a look at the strain that illegal immigrants are putting on the social support systems in this country that are in place to help struggling citizens. Look at California on the brink of financial disaster due in large part to the financial strain of supporting so many illegal immigrants. Too many people are trying to fit on the lifeboat and it is sinking.


I bet everyone in this thread saying to deport illegals would have done something illegal to prevent their kids to die from starvation. I know I would


I would do anything I could to prevent my kids from starving. But, why does that anything have to entail making yourself a criminal and becoming an illegal immigrant? Why not work to improve the lot of your beloved homeland? So many illegal immigrants come here without the desire to become and American as they swear their allegiance to their home country. Yet, they are unwilling to support that allegiance by working on making their own country better. They are unwilling to protest and fight to make their government listen to them.

These same illegal immigrants that are unwilling to stand up to their own corrupt governments have the unmitigated gall to come to this country and demand rights in this country. How damned absurd is that?!?!?!?!?! They are in this country illegally, they are not citizens, you have no rights here and yet you have the cajones to protest and demand rights? If you have such big cajones why not do that in your own country.

Please don't play the noble illegal alien card as it won't fly. I am sure there are some very noble illegal immigrants here that have compelling reasons to be here. However, I would venture that most are here solely to take what they can from America for their own good for as long as they can and then go home. The previous waves of immigrants to this country wanted to be Americans, they wanted to help build America into a better country, they wanted to be a part of this country. This new wave of immigrants just wants to rape America, take what they want, and then leave it when there is nothing left to take. Don't you find it ironic that the wave of illegal immigration has slowed doen now that the American economy has slowed down?
 SAguy_06
Joined: 12/29/2005
Msg: 331
Is it wrong to report / turn in illegal Aliens
Posted: 5/22/2009 4:35:25 PM

new wave of immigrants just wants to rape America,


You want to give specifics, or are you just relying on flinging bullshit now...
Is it wrong to report / turn in illegal Aliens
Posted: 5/22/2009 4:42:36 PM
Not flinging anything other than the truth as I perceive it. And I am sorry if you cannot open your eyes enough to see it as it is.

Illegally entering a country, illegally working in a country, taking the money that is made working illegally and funneling much of it to the mother country and taking it out of the American economy, having children so they can get American benefits, driving without insurance.........

Need I go on? You know exactly what i am talking about. Quit playing dumb.
 gracengracie
Joined: 2/3/2009
Msg: 333
Is it wrong to report / turn in illegal Aliens
Posted: 5/22/2009 5:59:43 PM
This thread is turning into a hate thread. No one will be right. We all have valid points and off the wall points.
OP is asking if reporting illegal aliens is bad or not. I guess technically is not BAD, in theory you r being a good citizen.
Illegal immigration is BAD. It's a leak to US economy to a certain point. Do not forget lots of those aliens get taxes withheld from their paychecks that they can never claim through a tax return. Who keeps that money??? UNCLE SAM.

Not even powerful and rich US government can stop it. So why even bother fighting over a problem not even the BIG government cant handle.
It so happens to be Mexico the poor neighbor....how about all the Asians that come into US as well and get all the benefits, Armenians, Philipinnos, Vietnamese, our ex enemies gets lots of welfare help....I don't want to be prejudice...illegals come from every corner of the world. So making this a Mexican issue or a Central American issue is plain ignorance.

Also to accuse them of being criminal and raping the US....I repeat, we have many more in house grown of that than the illegally acquired.
 unbreakable2001
Joined: 5/1/2009
Msg: 334
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Posted: 5/23/2009 12:09:13 AM
well america is built on intrusion and exploitation:
1. slavery(3/5ths compromise)
2. trail of tears
3. manifest destiny
4. civil war
5. a book called "the jungle"
6. public schools
7.child labor
8.indentured servants way back in the day remember?
9. women's rights
10. alcoholism and the great awakenings
11. drafts
12. bush
13. the atom bomb
14. american arms trade "big business" back in the turn of the century
15.salem!
16. billy graham! lol
17. NATO!
18. CIA
19.great depression
20. monroe doctrine!!!!!!!!!!!!!
21. this guy and watergate
22. Enron
23.cigarettes
24.prohabitionism
25.bush, heh
26. communist party funding by Carter back in 79', yea, he funded the communists
27. reagan era, putting Saddam in Iraq, WE started IT!!!!
PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ADD more!!!!!

america is not really allll that heavenly buddy
 krazykshaw
Joined: 1/8/2009
Msg: 335
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Posted: 5/23/2009 2:47:05 AM
ElMachine are you f*cking serious I want to e-slap the sh*t out of you. NONE would take a job picking tomatoes under 90 degree weather. If you ever get the chance grab 15 month stay in Iraq 140 degree's building up this country. I mean building hammer nails type. Don't talk to me about Illegals picking f*cking tomatoes in 90 degree's. I know at least 10 people in my plt that would pick tomatoes in 90 degree's vs coming to this country me being one of them. On the other hand some people like it. If theres a system that can be abused its going to be abused its been that way for YEARS and will not change. White Black Brown we all have our hard workers and our pieces of shit that are nothing but a waste of air and tax payers money. American's won't take them jobs I bet there's Mexicans that won't take the same god damn job. You can't sit here and tell me Mexicans are the only race that takes the shitty work that no ones else wants. Because I can 100% back up the fact that theres going to be a White Black or Asian right there with them doing the same sh*t.

Back to the topic at hand. Hell no its not wrong to turn in Illegal aliens...Turn in as many as you can
 krazykshaw
Joined: 1/8/2009
Msg: 336
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Posted: 5/23/2009 2:58:12 AM
If you are starving do you really think you should be having kids flee to the United states. You say how Lazy Americans are in your generalizations but we have 40 year old men with nothing left joining our military. Then you go to talk about how NOT every illegal is a criminal well NOT every American is lazy.
 gracengracie
Joined: 2/3/2009
Msg: 337
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Posted: 5/23/2009 5:11:30 AM
WOW!!! Message 367
Pls put yr applied math knowledge to work, plus some of you common sense.
I was talking about US Jail population, not just your sunny So. CA statistics.
Hopefully you are taking into consideration the population in the Immigration detention centers.
CAlifornia is a very NOT REPRESENTATIVE state to talk about ethnicity of immates!! HELLLOOOOOO...
IGNORANCE??? I'm possibly as ignorant as you are, except I have 2 years less ignorance under my arm. I'm a CPA and also worked in finance for 22 years in a SO CA garment public CO??? I read a lot, traveled the world and Latin America a lot and learned not to be prejudice and closed in my little So Ca beach town.
I also like the good living but can easily so w/o them. I am lucky to have retired at 47 being a 1st generation immigrant!!! All with my honest and LEGAL work!!!!! If I was ignorant, wonder what is left to the rest of the people.
Read a little more before embarrassing yourself calling ignorant to people that are not.
BTW I don't take offense because I consider the source.
 baker1972
Joined: 9/3/2008
Msg: 338
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Posted: 5/23/2009 6:09:08 PM
i've got news for you some of the illegal aliens that are coming into the country are coming here to try and have a better life. Have you ever asked someone who is here illegally what their life was like where they came from? and aren't we descendants from immigrants? I know they may be here illegally but all some of them want is a better life. i had to call immigration one time, it was work related, and quite frankly immigration doesn't care about illegal aliens unless they are breaking the law.
Is it wrong to report / turn in illegal Aliens
Posted: 5/24/2009 8:15:50 AM

i've got news for you some of the illegal aliens that are coming into the country are coming here to try and have a better life


I am sorry but that justification would apply to just about most crimes. A bank robber is trying to get money in order to have a better life. Drug dealers are selling drugs to make money to have a better life. Murderers are trying to have a better life by eliminating someone that is causing them problems. So your argument really is a logical fallacy and has no application in this discussion.


quite frankly immigration doesn't care about illegal aliens unless they are breaking the law.


Well that is a contradictory statement, isn't it? They are illegalaliens. Therefore, they are breaking the law by being here illegally.
 DonkeyPimp
Joined: 11/5/2006
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Posted: 5/25/2009 12:10:27 PM

You're the Unites States of Ametica buddy! Your government doesn`t give a shit about anybody but themselves. Please don`t give me this sappy story of `asylum in the United States.`! That`s like an oxymoron!


Oh Sweet, sweet la senza. I'm going to assume you were being coy rather than hypocritical when you accuse me of being sappy fr LEGAL immigrants while yourself gushing and fawning over criminal aliens.



It's true, by the way - The United States has granted asylum to more legal immigrants than any other nation on planet earth.
 NocturnalPrincess
Joined: 8/26/2006
Msg: 341
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Posted: 5/25/2009 8:40:13 PM
I knew a woman that was here legally on a Green Card, and she was so thrilled and enthusiastic to receive her American Citizenship.
I knew another woman that got the snot beaten out of her from a man because she feared without taking the beatings she would not be allowed to stay in this country.
I wonder how many people die annually trying to sneak across the border just to make a better life for their families? Yes, these are people willing to work for very low wages for very hard work, because it is still better than the conditions back home.
In the meantime, you have our naturally born residents abusing the system right and left and completely abusing the welfare system and not wanting to work.
I still say that our country should take qualified Illegals and make them legal and send out our abusers of the sytem to their countries. I'll bet that our welfare system would ultimately save a lot of money.
 DonkeyPimp
Joined: 11/5/2006
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Posted: 5/25/2009 9:12:51 PM

I still say that our country should take qualified Illegals and make them legal and send out our abusers of the sytem to their countries. I'll bet that our welfare system would ultimately save a lot of money.


I can see how an American without much experience of immigration would say such a thing. Real immigrants(as opposed to the illegal ones) aren't very quick to agree with such feelings, however. Real immigrants don't want the criminals to be pushed in line ahead of them.


I knew another woman that got the snot beaten out of her from a man because she feared without taking the beatings she would not be allowed to stay in this country.


That type of stuff actually happens with both legal and illegal immigrants. The best solution seems to be education. One way of getting that education is to apply for citizenship and learn enough to pass the test.

The solution to that problem is legal immigration.


I wonder how many people die annually trying to sneak across the border just to make a better life for their families? Yes, these are people willing to work for very low wages for very hard work, because it is still better than the conditions back home.


Few Americans seem to wonder about those LEGAL immigrant refugees who escaped civil wars and totalitarianism to get here. About the struggles, hardships, and risks LEGAL immigrants faced to get here. Their conditions back home were often far less survivable than those of many illegals, who often just wanted a way out of poverty. Part of our immigration laws are set up to provide asylum to those escaping life-threatening conditions, and poverty isn't considered as life-threatening as civil war. That's why most of the immigrants you'll see here that truly came from the most shocking conditions back home are LEGAL immigrants - they were granted Asylum by INS caseworkers who decided that their lives would be threatened if they were sent back. If the only thing the caseworker believes to be a problem for the applicant is poverty, that potential immigrant gets placed lower on the priority list than those who would face death by violence.

Legal immigrants work just as hard as the criminals do. Why would we want to punish their efforts by allowing the illegals to cut in line in front of them?
 NocturnalPrincess
Joined: 8/26/2006
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Posted: 5/25/2009 9:36:21 PM
Donkey Pimp,
You left out any commentary about sending our own abusers of the system in the U.S. back to their countries.
That would make room, probably, for both the Legals and the Illegals.
 DonkeyPimp
Joined: 11/5/2006
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Posted: 5/25/2009 9:46:09 PM

Donkey Pimp,
You left out any commentary about sending our own abusers of the system in the U.S. back to their countries.
That would make room, probably, for both the Legals and the Illegals.


Americans were born here. You won't hear many immigrants arguing to kick them out of a country they were born in.

And besides that, why would they want the illegals here?

Many legal immigrants were victimized by criminals in refugee camps they spent time in before arriving on American soil. These people are usually quite gratefull to the INS caseworkers who prevented the parasites from being able to immigrate to America legally. Why would they want to let the parasites in after working so hard to get away from them?

Let me make this plainly clear to everyone reading this thread - most immigrants do NOT want ILLEGALS to be able to come here! The ones who have survived the worst hardships especially! The immigrants who've come here from war-torn nations do NOT want to see the people who victimized them in the refugee camps being let in to America in order to prey on them AGAIN!

The word "Asylum" wouldn't hold much meaning if INS caseworkers let all the criminals in to continue to prey on their former victims, now would it?!?!
 Mxchic
Joined: 8/27/2008
Msg: 345
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Posted: 5/26/2009 9:18:46 AM
You go DonkeyPimp! Nobody talks about the trials survived by our immigrant population. I've worked with immigrants who came from refugee camps out of communist regimes and when one understands what they've gone through to get here and do it legally, and then see how hard they work to build an American future for their families (for their children), you gain a new respect for them!

As for the lack of enforcement of our immigration laws and protecting our border, you can thank the democrats (here in CA) because for them it is just a influx of ignorant liberal voters who will help them continue to destroy this country in their relentless march towards Socialism. And no the republicans aren't much better or this wouldn't be a damn problem that keeps getting swept under the rug so that we can be dazzled by whatever designer outfit Ms. Obama is wearing on date night.

I am all for strick border controls. There's worse than mexicans that can come over the border...(canadians...! ) though I would agree that they (mexicans), in such great numbers, are also a burden we should not be expected to bear. I would much rather see the US take a role that invites Mexico to become a country it's very own people can truely be proud to live in. And adjust the trade between us accordingly....except all that we seem to export to mexico are jobs and they send us cheap weedeaters & car parts much like we used to manufacture here. WEll at least our water is clean now!
 DonkeyPimp
Joined: 11/5/2006
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Posted: 5/26/2009 9:47:40 AM

Nobody talks about the trials survived by our immigrant population.


This is true. When Americans and Canadians talk about the trials faced by "immigrants", mainly the immmigrants they refer to are illegals. Which is why the biggest trials and tribulations they can cite as examples of the hardships these "immigrants" have gone through are poverty and the dangers of sneaking across a border, whether that be trying to survive a trip across the desert or trying not to drown while swimming across the Rio Grande.

They don't often talk of civil war or genocide, because most of the immigrants who've gone through that are LEGAL immigrants who were given priority by INS caseworkers.

So if someone's had his life overturned by civil war and his family murdered by genocide, that makes him less deserving of American/Canadian compassion than the illegals who are ever-present in the North American conscious. Or at least that's what so many of these thread discussions would lead an observer to believe.

As far as who is to blame for the politics of enforcing imigration laws in the state of California, the responsibility seems fairly evenly spread all over. Business owners don't want to lose their (criminal alien) employees. The best way to do it would be to reduce demand for illegal labor by punishing employers who use it. But who would support such legislation? Neither party seems to have the will.

This is a debate that seems plagued by people who think of themselves as compassionate on one side, and people who don't like immigrants on the other. BOTH of who more often mistake criminal aliens for real immigrants than not. If the compassionate who argue for illegal immigration were to inform themselves, they'd find that true compassion would be to not turn a blind eye towards those who've faced real hardships - the LEGAL immigrants. They'd find that true compassion would be to prevent LEGAL immigrants from being victimized in America by the same criminals who victimized them in the last refugee camp they endured. And the only way to accomplish such compassion is to not let criminal aliens into this nation in the first place.
 ElMachine
Joined: 4/19/2008
Msg: 347
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Posted: 5/26/2009 3:00:20 PM

ElMachine are you f*cking serious I want to e-slap the sh*t out of you. NONE would take a job picking tomatoes under 90 degree weather. If you ever get the chance grab 15 month stay in Iraq 140 degree's building up this country. I mean building hammer nails type. Don't talk to me about Illegals picking f*cking tomatoes in 90 degree's. I know at least 10 people in my plt that would pick tomatoes in 90 degree's vs coming to this country me being one of them. On the other hand some people like it. If theres a system that can be abused its going to be abused its been that way for YEARS and will not change. White Black Brown we all have our hard workers and our pieces of shit that are nothing but a waste of air and tax payers money. American's won't take them jobs I bet there's Mexicans that won't take the same god damn job. You can't sit here and tell me Mexicans are the only race that takes the shitty work that no ones else wants. Because I can 100% back up the fact that theres going to be a White Black or Asian right there with them doing the same sh*t.

Back to the topic at hand. Hell no its not wrong to turn in Illegal aliens...Turn in as many as you can


i just read your first couple of sentences.

just a FYI, there are MANY illegal immigrants in the United States Army, right now, figthing in Irak.
 carlsev
Joined: 8/20/2008
Msg: 348
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Posted: 5/29/2009 11:25:31 PM
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 NocturnalPrincess
Joined: 8/26/2006
Msg: 349
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Posted: 5/31/2009 6:17:16 AM
I guess I believe in giving qualified people a chance. I knew one woman from Hungary that was so thrilled when she passed her citizenship test. She probably knows more about US culture than 95% of the people collecting welfare.
I would rather sponser a hard-working person that does not speak American (referring to it as English is giving a lot of people too much credit) over someone that has learned to milk and abuse the System, whether they were born here or not.
That is why I support a body exchange. Let's send our worthless people over to their countries and keep the people that risk their lives to come over to the United States and actually want to work and are willing to work hard. These are people that do not want a hand-out; they simply want a better life. We'll keep thier workers and send them our garbage.
 SAguy_06
Joined: 12/29/2005
Msg: 350
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Posted: 5/31/2009 7:06:22 AM

Let's send our worthless people over to their countries and keep the people that risk their lives to come over to the United States and actually want to work and are willing to work hard.


I agree that we should allow hard working non-americans to work here, but I feel they at some point should go back to their homeland.

As for worthless americans...The're like the older brother that's always barrowing $50 bucks...I may complain, but blood is thicker than water...
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