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 ManFromMesa
Joined: 4/14/2009
Msg: 101
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Acting barbaric makes you a barbarian,pretty basic.

Still unless you want to start a war with yet another country as if we have money for that or a right or provocation from the whole country,all thats needed is attack a pirate if they attack the ship.People like you that are so willing to drag us needlessly into a war upsets me,you don't start a war or drop a nuke on a country because they have a pirate problem.

You wait for the more to came,you don't attack because you think more will come,if they try to launch a nuke at the USA ,now you have a problem,the only threat affecting us is the pirates on the open sea,you war thirsty people are scary you could care less how many of our children get killed fighting another war.Its a very simple problem at this point,treat it as a simple problem,you act like this is a big deal,have you ever been in the military,this is nothing,its a shipping companies police action,its at a level of protection not an act of war.
 oddandy
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 102
Somali Pirates
Posted: 4/20/2009 4:11:22 PM
Actually, NO!!! Every single news clip showed throngs of Somalis ALL throwing stones, spitting, kicking the American soldiers.


Did it show the entire population of Somalia doing that or just a huge mob? Christ, woman, use your head.


Not one Somali stood up for the soldiers.


Not one person stood up to the rabid stone-throwing mob? Imagine my shock!


These mobs were comprised of hundreds if not thousands of murderous, vile thugs. Don’t know what news reels you saw.


I saw the same ones you saw. Pretty sure it wasn't the entire population of the country (let alone the city of Mogadishu) in that mob.

The lack of common sense is truly astounding.
 ManFromMesa
Joined: 4/14/2009
Msg: 103
Somali Pirates
Posted: 4/20/2009 4:25:40 PM

Misuse of our military has caused us much problems over the years. ~ I understand what you propose ~ you wish a military "lite" to perhaps engage these pirates ~ we tried that once ~ I suppose we could do it again ~~ They would just love that!

The military is a biting dog ~ when it's ordered to just lick ~ it's very confusing to them. Their equipment and rules of engagement doesn't lend itself well to just licking.


I assuming your just playing with us now or are unable to read,what is suggested is not in French,Spanish or Greek its english its been repeatedly stated we need NO military but on ship ,paid by the individual ship,on ship security crew,they are called security contractors,they are all ex military,all pros at protection.

You can try to repeatedly accuse us of things no one is saying besides you,your talking military we are saying this is no place for the military,this is a small open boat of thugs coming up on a ship a hundred times bigger its nothing to eradicate that little boat.

I through talking to you and the lady you go beyond reason and preach mass violence I will respond to all others but you flip around our words,you talk of eradicating all newly born Somalian kids then pick on us for saying bad things to you,then denies you said it,I have posted your exact words like 4 times and you deny them and the the lady has to define it for me that you didn't say that as if we don't know what giving a man a contagious disease to bring back to his family actually means,one doesn't need to be a rocket scientist to get it.

If your going to make a statement stand behind it,own it,don't throw it out here then act like we don't know how to read.
 Beaugrand®™©
Joined: 3/24/2008
Msg: 104
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Somali Pirates
Posted: 4/20/2009 7:01:49 PM
Piracy has existed as long as valuable stuff has been moved by way of boat or ship.
In the days of sail, when courts of law were months away from waters where pirates prowled, individual ships' captains typically had the right to deal with pirates on the spot, as they saw fit. Often, for captured pirates, this meant hanging, or other, less pleasant methods of execution, or spending months in irons being transported to a civilized port with a proper judiciary.
Execution on the spot isn't necessary today, as captured pirates can be taken to a proper judge within a matter of days, by air travel, or weeks, if by sea. Most naval vessels have a brig, normally used for detaining uncooperative sailors, that can be used in transporting suspected pirates. The only real barriers to having naval commanders taking suspected pirates into custody are matters of treaties and agreements of extradition. That will require some delicate diplomacy, which won't be facilitated by the US Navy treating the Gulf of Aden, or the Indian Ocean, as an American lake. Make no mistake, we NEED the cooperation of many other nations in this. I don't think we should unilaterally begin sinking suspected pirate ships or leveling pirate harbor towns.
With regard to the use of force during actual attacks, until we have those treaties and agreements, I believe the rules of engagement should allow US Naval forces to use any force necessary to protect US nationals who are threatened by pirate attack, and to arrest and take into custody any surviving pirates.
And civilian ships should absolutely be allowed to carry armed guards in those dangerous waters. If the piracy gets too expensive, insurance companies will eventually insist on it.
 raxarsr
Joined: 7/10/2008
Msg: 105
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Posted: 4/20/2009 7:16:06 PM
know whats funny?............the media is saying that the navy cant really do anything...because its not the militarys problem.......hmmmmm........wait...wasnt the navy formed to combat pitares and protect american shipping?........oh yeah..it was

and as far as japan goes.......the nukes were dropped to save lives..both american and japanese....not to mention the fact nobody really understood the consiquences of nuculear war
 ManFromMesa
Joined: 4/14/2009
Msg: 106
Somali Pirates
Posted: 4/20/2009 8:34:37 PM
Beaugrand really enjoyed your level headed summary of the way things actually are and the work ahead of us and other nations and its really true,its going to take some cooperation of many nations but I think it can happen.Going to take level headed diplomacy.
 nebula22
Joined: 8/14/2007
Msg: 107
Somali Pirates
Posted: 4/21/2009 5:26:29 AM
Ok ,, So the consensus is that we should do whatever it takes for us to be safe when it comes to pirates..

What should we do about all of the pirates in Washington?
They have stolen more money and destroyed more lives than all of the pirates in history.
 brawnydog
Joined: 5/12/2006
Msg: 108
Somali Pirates
Posted: 4/22/2009 2:53:16 AM
These aren't terrorists. Sheesus.
I'm waiting for the next theorist to say they're gonna
link the monkey to totalitarian pollination of cross-breading
ponies with dogs so that we have a new sport to bet on.

These are punks that need dealt with like gangs.
The only question is who takes the world heat for being politically correct.
You want to talk politics about something that is not political.
The only political question is what jurisdiction presides.
I don't care who is arming them. That's a moot point.
Everyone knows that we should just cut off their arms.
Let's just build a casino there and let china run it.
That'll fix it.
 Got Trance
Joined: 5/23/2007
Msg: 109
Somali Pirates
Posted: 4/22/2009 7:37:27 AM
The news media is going to be sympethetic with that low life somalian pirate that was captured and brought to America. Going to say that it's not his fault he had to turn to piracy to feed his family. Then American citizens will begin to get all teary eyed and demand that this young man be set free.
 bigshrek
Joined: 11/15/2007
Msg: 110
Somali Pirates
Posted: 4/23/2009 2:58:02 AM
I'm actually confused as to why the pirates who are captured weren't hanged on a yardarm immediately.

Really, if you are CAUGHT in the act of piracy...why bother with a trial on shore? It will never be MORE obvious than in the location where the pirate was caught. If anything, it costs money for a trial, which, honestly, is a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME because the pirate is Most Certainly Guilty beyond not only a reasonable doubt, but beyond ALL doubt.

If I were a judge, I'd be asking the Captain WHY he bothered to bring a pirate in to court. "Did you catch him in the act?" "Yes." "So why isn't he already in Davy Jones' Locker????"

Weak-minded liberals are taking a simple fact and attempting to cloud it over with mish-mosh. Just Deep-Six the blaggards and be DONE with them. No trials. Just a note in the Ship's Log. "Pirate Hanged & thrown overboard for the fish".

 nebula22
Joined: 8/14/2007
Msg: 111
Somali Pirates
Posted: 4/23/2009 4:33:36 AM
xzanthius ,, Are you a spoiled brat who grew up being pampered?
Have you ever personally met some of the worst people in this world?
I HAVE ,!!
The only way to have peace in this world is through STRENGH..
Pirates KILL people ..
They just killed a private yacht captain because they didn't get any money fast enough..

We will be glad for YOU and all of the other bleeding hearts to go there and PERSONALY meet these pirates.
Go ahead and have some tea with them while telling them all about how you sympathize with them..

They will KILL you...

Get REAL ... !!!
 Got Trance
Joined: 5/23/2007
Msg: 112
Somali Pirates
Posted: 4/23/2009 9:00:47 AM

The mother of the Somali piracy suspect being held for trial in the United States is appealing for mercy for her son. She says he did not know what he was doing when he and three other men boarded a U.S.-flagged ship earlier this month and took the ship's captain hostage. She says her oldest boy is only 16 years old and impressionable.


A New York federal court judge has ruled that Muse is at least 18 years-old and can be tried as an adult. But his mother's claim that he is a 16-year-old juvenile could pose a problem for prosecutors seeking the maximum sentence of life imprisonment. International law is more lenient toward juveniles.

And now it begins. The international community is going to look down at us again. This time 'cause we are going to prosecute a "child" to life in prison for being a pirate.
 Got Trance
Joined: 5/23/2007
Msg: 113
Somali Pirates
Posted: 4/23/2009 9:09:11 AM
On another note.
Anyone notice the Carnival Cruise Commercial for the cruise line. The one that shows the kids dressed up as PIRATES.
I see nothing wrong with the commercial, but I am surprised they are showing at this time.
 brawnydog
Joined: 5/12/2006
Msg: 114
Somali Pirates
Posted: 4/24/2009 12:58:37 PM
that might be the stupidest thing that I've ever read..

Headline! : medical waste leads pirates to bay! sheesus..
Here's an aside.. dam.n the torpedoes and full speed ahead..
These aren't pirates and this doesn't have anything to do with spearing whales.
And it doesn't matter if the chicken or the egg came first.
We eat both. This is no different than drug dealers in the US having kids
hump their dope for 'em because they don't get tried as adults.
No penalty.
It has nothing to do with anything liberal whatsoever.
Not even anything to do with suburban seal beatings.
Nuclear polluted beaches.. sheesus..

It doesn't matter why they are doing it.
As uncivilized as it may seem.. they just can't do that.
One world order won't be as happy of a bunch of campers if they do.
Think Euro.
 TrevorWasHere
Joined: 1/26/2009
Msg: 115
Somali Pirates
Posted: 4/25/2009 1:34:32 AM
It seems that the pirates use the cover of darkness to their advantage. Why can't we use acoustic sensors to detect the boat's approach? Anybody who has done any amount of diving can tell you that a motorboat can be heard underwater from miles away. Dump a pail of gasoline on the pirates or hit em with expanding foam. Throw frayed rope into the water and let it wrap up in their propeller. It isn't economical to have warships patrol, but couldn't a couple of fighter jets be kept on standby? It's been said in this thread that often hostages are used to prevent retaliation. Isn't the sacrifice of a few hostages worth preventing this situation escalating?

Personally, I'm getting fed up with the inability of Africa to take control of its own communities. No amount of aid will ever cause that part of the world to stop cannibalizing itself. Africa has the resources and climate to be at least as successful as any other part of the globe. At some point you just have to stop feeling sorry for these impoverished African countries and say "grow up and stop shitting where you sleep." I have friends who have gone to Africa to do humanitarian work and came back home jaded and disillusioned. The theme that keeps getting repeated is "you can't help somebody who doesn't want to help themself."

After the tsunami hit Indonesia in 2004, well over $7 billion was donated worldwide in a very short amount of time. The amount of compassion shown by this incident was astounding. The world has been donating billions to these impoverished African countries for decades and has seen little progress. The world has grown weary of Africa and its rebel armies, corrupt governments and hearing of humanitarian supplies being used as bartering tools by local militia governments. We're tired of blood diamonds, Nigerian oil being used to buy more weapons instead of building more schools, Red Cross workers being held hostage.

It's up to the men of Africa to stop being teenagers with automatic weapons and start being MEN. Stop preying on each other. Perhaps Africa has been living in a predatory mindset for too long. Maybe there's no hope.
 Pandy
Joined: 11/11/2006
Msg: 116
Somali Pirates
Posted: 4/26/2009 6:24:46 AM

so if some fishermen turned bandit, I say all the power to them


Let's try not to live in fairy tales , folks. This statement romanticizes brutality and
lawlessness. That these acts will stop when national conditions improve is a pretty thought, but reveals ignorance of human nature.
These pirates are seen as heroes of a sort in their villages, the same way that pimps and
thugs are romanticized in some neighborhoods here. They won't stop stealing and brutalizing people because the fish come back.

If you take a dog's alpo for a week, he might go after the neighbor's chickens. After that, he'll keep hunting chickens no matter how much alpo is available. It is the nature of dogs, it is the nature of people. The only way to stop these men is to catch them, the only way to
prevent new pirates from taking their places is to institute consequences that make it an
unpalatable idea.
 Got Trance
Joined: 5/23/2007
Msg: 117
Somali Pirates
Posted: 4/26/2009 7:29:27 AM

ROME (AP) — An Italian cruise ship fended off a pirate attack off the coast of Somalia, with its security forces exchanging fire with the bandits, the commander said Saturday.

Cmdr. Ciro Pinto told Italian state radio that six men in a small white boat approached the Msc Melody and opened fire Saturday night, but retreated after security forces aboard the cruise ship returned fire.

Damn pirates probably shit their pants.
 Got Trance
Joined: 5/23/2007
Msg: 118
Somali Pirates
Posted: 4/26/2009 10:15:14 AM
Dancecard,
Your threads~ are very~ hard to read
perhaps~ you should stop ~ using this ~ so often
 ManFromMesa
Joined: 4/14/2009
Msg: 119
Somali Pirates
Posted: 4/26/2009 11:14:53 AM
On cable last night they had on I think discovery channel,Pirates and mercenary contractors that guard a vessel,two separate shows.

They went into great detail of each pirate areas Philippines,Africa,some pirates just jump on and shoot you,they showed only large vessels could employ contractors,local fishing vessels had barely money to fish let alone hire contractors.

They explained how in some areas fishermen would be afraid to tell the authorities because many times you were then speaking to to ringleaders,many times pirate was already on the ship as a crew member,they showed actually footage of a pirate coming up on a small vessel maybe a 100 footer and spraying it with a deck mounted machine gun,just blew the shi t out of it,nearly shreds the vessel.

they explained how you start on attacking small vessels,then you might move up into the experienced world of organized crime pirate gangs,then might move up to local authority/military run pirates.

They explained if you robbed a bank the news would spread all over,and if you took a freighter and slaughtered the crew and threw the bodies to the fish the crime could stay the biggest secret on the seas.

They showed on the one show how a team about 3 seal level mercs and two unarmed local authorities and a counselate person can go after ships for illegal fishing just as big as the pirates,those hauls would be taken to a mother ship and the pirates were in cahutes with them,law prevents the seals and team from having nothing more than knives,its a game of acting with authority lots of gear on,flak jackets,authority looking unfazed when it would take nothing to overpower them,they give the impression they are armed and there ship to.

they told how it took 36 years to get approval for going after pirates but with no weopons in this one country,somewhere in Asia.

When the seals needed help from the UN they were talking to a wall,The UN costing 700 million a year in Somalia do almost nothing and there are like 19,000 of them,the team couldn't even get water from them.
 bigshrek
Joined: 11/15/2007
Msg: 120
Somali Pirates
Posted: 4/28/2009 11:26:33 AM
Some joker posted that by killing pirates you only create more...that's the dumbest thing I ever heard. It worked on Hitler. Worked on Saddam. Being DEAD makes an impression.

Then again, they might have a point...US Army & Marine recruitment is UP lately!! The US military has lost 6,000 over the 2nd Iraqi War...and gained over 72,000 new recruits! Maybe it's got something to do with the entire war costing us less in manpower than a single Civil War battle??? Maybe it's because you've got a better chance of getting killed by Mexican Drug-Gang members in a major US city than getting killed by insurgents in Iraq??

Every pirate you kill, retrieve the body and wrap it in a dead pig's skin. Put a sign on it that says PIRATE in Somali. Then lay them on the docks of the nearest port city to the attack. They'll get the message.

With the Mexican Drug-Gang members, hang 'em on the border fence...and ELECTRIFY that mofo. We can even use GREEN energy to do it!! Solar panels & Wind turbines!! :D

 Bigrockinguy
Joined: 3/7/2009
Msg: 121
Somali Pirates
Posted: 5/2/2009 6:02:33 PM
Isnt there an international force protecting the waters around the area.Maybe arrange more ships from more UN countries to help out and maybe escort cargo,liners etc through the area.But if they are attacked in international waters,then blow the ****ers away.
 bigshrek
Joined: 11/15/2007
Msg: 122
Somali Pirates
Posted: 5/12/2009 8:26:30 AM
Every pirate you kill, retrieve the body and wrap it in a dead pig's skin. Put a sign on it that says PIRATE in Somali. Then lay them on the docks of the nearest port city to the attack. They'll get the message.

With the Mexican Drug-Gang members, hang 'em on the border fence...and ELECTRIFY that mofo. We can even use GREEN energy to do it!! Solar panels & Wind turbines!! :D


Solve the problem through Excessive Use of Force. It has worked throughout history...it works today...it'll still work in the future.

 Got Trance
Joined: 5/23/2007
Msg: 123
Somali Pirates
Posted: 6/21/2009 8:05:58 PM
Very interesting and informative show on the Discovery channel about what actually happened. Check it out. Will be on again Jun 22, 1:00 am and Jun 26, 7:00 pm.

Daniel
 SAguy_06
Joined: 12/29/2005
Msg: 124
Somali Pirates
Posted: 6/22/2009 2:24:05 AM

With the Mexican Drug-Gang members, hang 'em on the border fence...and ELECTRIFY that mofo. We can even use GREEN energy to do it!! Solar panels & Wind turbines!! :D


What do with all those americans that love to Slam their dope...100,ooo upon thousands of crunked out customers...sending their money to gangs and even worse...Terrorist that are trying to kill American Soldiers?

What do we do to Druged out americans...send them to Rehab...Give me a Freaking break...

Takes two to Tango...
 bigshrek
Joined: 11/15/2007
Msg: 125
Somali Pirates
Posted: 6/28/2009 5:12:56 PM
Oh, I have no problems with doing what the Chinese did to their drug addicts...as you catch them, shoot them in the head and kick the body into the nearest ditch.

It definitely cut down on China's addict problem. The few who were left decided it was better to stay VERY hidden.

I also believe that a drunk driver who injures other people should be dragged to the side of the road and shot dead right there as well. It'd solve most of the entire drunk driving problem within a few years.

But the lib's would never go for it!! The ACLU would have a COW!!

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