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 kj521
Joined: 8/8/2012
Msg: 277
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Some of what you listed Mr. Irish.....are legal tools which need to drafted and implemented by an attorney. I can not get into the particulars as I previously stated. Not my job. :)
But....they can be done the same day as an application for medicaid is submitted.
Although, many individuals find it beneficial to to be provactive and plan for various possibilities....to each their own.

So how does any of this pertain to my opinion on various welfare services? :)


And goodness Mr. Irish you just reminded me that I am going to have to lessen my volunteer activities in one area to make room for another. I just volunteered my services and those of my childten to a cancer resourse center today. My children don't know it yet! Wish me luck! :)
 tgif111
Joined: 10/24/2014
Msg: 278
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Posted: 4/9/2015 9:49:25 PM
I don't understand where all the ambiguity is about my mother. I see people saying things I don't recognize.

i'll try to simplify it all. I could go into pages and pages of details but I won't. my mother decided to give me my inheritance before she died. it amounted to $200,000. she lived in a medium size home in Masury Ohio where I grew up. that house was signed over to her grandson who she helped raise. from the 1960's she bought a dozen rental homes on our street and I did painting, remodeling and repairs on them with my dad from a young age. when dad died in 1981 I took on the job of keeping them up as I lived right up the street. when mom got older she sold them and that's when she gave me the inheritance, I suppose as a reward. a year or so later she developed Alzheimers. as time went on she was in dementia deep enough that she COULD have gone to the nursing home. I didn't want her to go there. so I hired in-home personal care givers to come to her home at 7am until she went to bed at 8pm. there were two women working in two shifts in her own home doling out her meds, taking care of her needs and keeping her company. I USED THE MONEY FROM MY INHERITANCE TO PAY FOR THESE CAREGIVERS, HER MEDS, DOCTORS APPOINTMENTS, HER UTILITY BILLS, FOOD, ETC.

when the $200,000 ran out mom was becoming more than the in home caregivers could handle as she became increasingly incontinent and was very unsteady on her feet. at this point she didn't even know her own name much less who I was. her speech was very limited. IT WAS THEN I PUT HER IN THE NURSING HOME.

the home with the "old ladyish" furnishings was mine that I bought in 1998. that particular room that Mr. Irish is referring to was done by myself using new reproduction Victorian furnishings, a large water fountain, my famous Italian liquor cart, Victorian wall paintings and a natural gas fireplace that I installed myself. the window dressings surrounded 15 feet long front windows and were done by an interior designer that featured a huge padded backlit valance and drapes with bishops sleeves that puddled on the carpeted floor. the house was situated in a new restricted development of $300,00 plus homes in Brookfield, a completely DIFFERENT home that my mother owned. my home also had a second living room with a wood burning fireplace, a library, 3 bedrooms, two baths, kitchen, dining room, laundry, mud room and 3 car garage.
in the past Mr. Irish has insinuated that I took my mother's home. I assure you Mr. Irish that my mom's home could have fit inside mine with my 3 bedrooms and more to spare.

now please move on!
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
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Posted: 4/9/2015 10:27:17 PM
I resent the putting her in a home slam, like you are dumping them in some hole. Of course there are horror stories but most of these places are nice enough, give quality care and do for your family member what you can't do, be there 24/7. My mother didn't have a home to keep, since her divorce she'd lived with my brother then with my youngest daughter until things got bad enough that she needed even more care than one of us being there with her. She thought my daughter was trying to kill her, she thought we were all stealing from her, she was scared of us all and would hide in her room, she shredded paper all day long, she forgot where we were going and thought her doctor was her lover...she lost all dignity and she was extremely miserable with us. She trusted me the most but when she started talking about the bad things I was doing, then it was too far gone. I tired to give her as much leeway as possible, like buying what she wanted, taking her pills from a daily container so she felt like she was doing it herself, letting her still cook a few things as long as one of use was there talking to her, but they lose their minds, it's not easy.

We almost lost out on getting her into the assisted living facility where her sisters had gone, seems dementia runs in her family, they live long but don't know who they are. Had she been any worse off mentally, they wouldn't have taken her, but once she's there they move her into a more hospital like section when she can't function in her own room. Her money is gone, it went to get her in there and now she's on Medicaid, I send her some spending money but she no longer really wants to go anywhere. She used to love me to take her to Walmart then to eat, now she doesn't seem to realize that where she is lives in all one place. She thinks the chapel is across the street from her Apt, it's down the hall for her room. She thinks the dinning room is a restaurant down the street, etc. Too much info, but my point is that this is the safest place for her and she gets her hair done every week, it's part of what she paid for, meals, church, community, visits, in her dementia, she thinks she lives on her own and these people are her friends that she's going out to see them when she leaves her room. She's a lot happier there than she was living with us. She's in the town where she went to high school, where all her family lived, where some of the women in the home knew her or her family. She still has bad moments of course, but I would be just fine with ending up in the same type of place, I don't want to make my children care for me if I lose my mind, which seems to be happening.

Tom and I disagree on politics but with this, I don't see where the hostility is coming from. I don't see why it's anyone's business how he and his family took care of his mother, I don't see him as a monster, and I think it's disgusting to hit him below the belt talking about his mother that way. And yes he's been guilty of things too, but his mother, that's just off limits.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
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Posted: 4/10/2015 3:16:28 AM
I'm going to offer up a onetime apology to Tom.

I've been taking pot shots at his choices of furniture and insinuating that they came from Mom.

I can imagine the pain a son goes through when it becomes clear that taking care of a parent in their home is no longer possible and that the nursing home is the only alternative. And I do know the cost of homecare and skilled nursing homes...most people spend their life savings in a very short time receiving care either at home or in a facility. It's a craypie outcome on the best of days.

I apologize Tom. I am sorry for your loss and the pain of the choices you had to make for your Mom.
 kj521
Joined: 8/8/2012
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Posted: 4/10/2015 3:51:21 AM
Mr. Irish.....you impress me....you really do!

I hope you have a lovely day! :)


Caring for the elderly or for any loved ones is a daunting and sometimes heartbreaking task both emotionally and financially.
But one that allows us to return all the love and care that we were given.... :)
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 282
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Posted: 4/10/2015 4:27:07 AM

But one that allows us to return all the love and care that we were given.... :)


My experience is that it never seems like enough...for only the want of one day more.


you resort to name calling


I've been here since late 2008, and frankly I can't remember who started the name calling first. But, it is my feeling that in the political spectrum of things that it comes with the territory, on both sides.


when you're meek enough to reveal your heart.


Even I know when I've hit below the belt.
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 283
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Posted: 4/10/2015 5:51:43 AM

Tom and I disagree on politics but with this, I don't see where the hostility is coming from. I don't see why it's anyone's business how he and his family took care of his mother, I don't see him as a monster, and I think it's disgusting to hit him below the belt talking about his mother that way. And yes he's been guilty of things too, but his mother, that's just off limits.


So you do not see how he speaks about unwed mothers and their children?

You do not see the way he speaks about the poor?

You do not see the way he speaks about people of color or a different religion?

That combined with the fact, it was him that started bragging about his mother, which for some reason he listed below his other accomplishments such as banging hot chicks and hitting a long drive, which in itself is rather telling.

Also you should factor in the fact that 1/2 of the stuff he has told is 100% bullsh*t, thus there is no reason to believe anything he has to say to begin with.


That said, if you want to feel sorry for a racist windbag, please do so.
 tgif111
Joined: 10/24/2014
Msg: 284
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Posted: 4/10/2015 6:47:14 AM
thanks to everyone who understands what you have to go through when a parent slides backward into becoming a child and it is your duty to care for them as they cared for you when you were a helpless baby. it's painful to see a person who you love deteriorate mentally while the body stays comparatively strong and healthy.

Mr. Irish I want to thank you for your kind words.
like KJ, i'm impressed and grateful that you understand the situation.
Alzheimers may very well be the one disease that affects the family members as much as it does the victim of it.
 clooneystutor
Joined: 3/8/2015
Msg: 285
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Posted: 4/10/2015 9:20:08 AM
You know what Tom,

You strike me as an ex blue collar rough neck.

Fvcking rough as hell around the edges, but authentic.

I think you'd be a hoot to bbq with and throw back a few beers. Not sure I'd want you in the board room though :)

At least your out there living it up and not researching flaws in somebody's posts all day.
 Dee4166
Joined: 6/16/2007
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Posted: 4/10/2015 9:39:40 AM
^^^^^^^

Yes, apparently criticizing people is a popular pastime for some....

@Tom...actually I will go so far as to say that past a certain point, it's actually much more difficult for those 'left behind' than it is for the victims themselves....

Having seen it both professionally, and personally, my own mother was diagnosed over 15 yrs ago now, although I personally question whether or not she was just part and parcel of the general Alzheimer umbrella diagnosis,....I can honestly say that most people do the best that they can with what they have....

When I hear of others who are or have gone through it who actually love their parents and had a good relationship with them before their illness, I truly DO feel for them...Alzheimer's is the ULTIMATE thief....It takes it ALL and also holds prisoners until Death comes and releases both the sufferer and their people....

For myself, it is a very different story...My mother wasn't a good mother, and for the most part was SO damaged herself by Life that I'm not sure she could have done better....
While I can't say as I 'miss' her, she IS still my mother and attempting to deal with this situation especially with all of the 'complications' that come with both her actual care, as well as the stress and tension in our family over many issues that have since arisen, well, it's NOT fun, to say the least....

As far as having sympathy for you, well, for me this is one of those situations where we all should put aside our political ideologies and bad feelings and try and remember that we're ALL human, and all that entails....

First and foremost for me is compassion and understanding and if you can't do that, then at least have the decency to refrain from unfounded accusations....
 adventurejoe70
Joined: 3/1/2013
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Posted: 4/10/2015 9:43:11 AM

Your spouse (but this may not help you become eligible since the same limit on both spouse's assets will apply)
Your child who is blind or permanently disabled.
Into trust for the sole benefit of anyone under age 65 and permanently disabled.
In addition, you may transfer your home to the following individuals (as well as to those listed above):
Your child who is under age 21.
Your child who has lived in your home for at least two years prior to your moving to a nursing home and who provided you with care that allowed you to stay at home during that time.
A sibling who already has an equity interest in the house and who lived there for at least a year before you moved to a nursing home.


Pretty much, but I do have a certain case that is a bit different. A lady just went into a nursing home at 86 yrs of age with dementia(she is a Holocaust survivor). She has no family, but has a home worth 780k. By law Medicaid can force the home sold and take out its expenses . But her home was being used as non profit registered animal shelter/ rescue group. We just stopped the institution in its tracks with the use of a lawyer. They aren't going to get the home! Not as long as any rescued cats are still in the home (we let 2 more in the last week).

That being said a relative(dead now) divorced her husband(same guy) 2 times to avoid her assets being touched and look like he had very few assets . There are ways around everything!Being a financial guy I would be sure you knew that ;)
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 288
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Posted: 4/10/2015 10:34:27 AM
Growing up, watching peers with trust funds and such screw up their lives, I agreed with Thomas Paine's ancient treatise on the evils of inheritance. Now I'm in a position where I have to shut my mouth about such things.

nursing homes in my state are expensive, $10,000 per month. the waiting list is months or years long, unless you settle for the places that open beds quickly--ie, by killing off the last client with incompetence. and if you don't have health insurance to cover the place, many won't even bother. but the lesson is, as soon as you think a loved one may need a facility in the future...get them on the waiting list. you may get preferential treatment over the family who just shows up.and I was surprised to find out that the doctor doesn't even handle the entrance, its the hospitals that do this. one family I met, kept bouncing the in law from home (1 st 3 months paid by Medicare) back to the hospital and then back to a home again. terrible.

the lesson to learn, and should be repeated is, as soon as you think elderly care is in the cards, do your research. I had to go thru 4 lawyers to get one who actually did know everything about elderly care, lost out on the $10,000 gift per year stuff, didn't have a funeral trust put aside had my parents wanted to go that way (luckily they choose donation, no cost involved there). its a maze that just shouldn't exist, since people die every day. every state should have a pamphlet of rights they can hand out, a neatly organized planbook spelling out the path.
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
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Posted: 4/10/2015 11:03:13 AM
Not all elder dementia is Alzheimers. My mother had swarms of TIAs which eventually took away most of the lady who raised me, and replaced her with a very frightened fragile woman. Because she'd always been super competent, we, her 8 living children, prolly let her make decisions much longer than we should have.

After relieving my sister for a month, I came home (here), went to nurse's aid classes, got certified, worked in a nursing home. At the point the family gave up, I went home (there), lock stock and barrel (taking two dogs and six cats) and did the last year, pretty much alone. One sister did the baby monitor on Friday overnights, and on Sunday mornings so I could go to meeting. The others alternated Saturdays from nine to three. Eventually, I surrendered, and we found a nursing home. She only lasted a month longer. Being an aid, I brought my own gait belt with me, and taught my brothers how to use it so they stopped dropping her.

There were signs you didn't want to see/hear: if she woke telling you that children had been in her room all night, you knew it was going to be a bad day. If she remembered her kindergarten teacher, it would be a pretty good one. One came to know intimately, and dread, Sundowning. Knowing you were not alone helped. Some.

My observations of Alzheimers is that it pretty much depends where patients get stuck. We had one lady, in her nineties, who was in an about three year window where she'd been cute, sweet, and being courted. She was not at all unhappy. I had others who were stuck in floods. One man if he called you by his wife's name, it meant you should leave, or you'd get beaten up (in real time). One spent his nights trying to avoid being beaten by his stepfather (when he was three or four). Families have no secrets. . . .

I do seriously wish that before being allowed to make laws about what is humane for infirm elderly that one be required to work as an aid in a nursing home for at least six months. Once there were custody chairs--a sort of padded lightweight recliner on wheels, fitted with a tray across the front. They were deemed illegal. So now those patients instead of spending hours reading, or playing games, are seated in straight backed chairs from which they arise, take two steps, fall and break a hip. . . . etc.

Irish--♥
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
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Posted: 4/10/2015 11:24:36 AM

There are ways around everything!Being a financial guy I would be sure you knew that ;)


Yep. I heard of many sleazy tricks people have tried to employ to get me and the rest of the tax payers to help pay for their loved ones welfare. My experience is that if there's a paper trail leading the the improper sheltering of assets the state gets very persnickety and disallows the transfer...that's when I get the call and give the advice that the spouse or adult child (the one that generally receives the improper transfer) should follow the direction of social services to the letter. Many times what happens is the house the parent lived in is taken over by the child, who hasn't lived there, and the state generally doesn't challenge the transfer, but not in every case. This is the first time I've heard of a spouse divorcing twice to avoid paying for their spouse's care. I've heard of the going into the hospital for the 3 day stay and getting 3 months of medicare to pay for skilled nursing and then doing it again. This is perhaps an overblown tale. If one returns to the hospital after receiving 3 months of rehabilitative care in a skilled nursing home goes back to the hospital, hoping for a re-qualifying event, the new hospital stay has to be for some other reason other than the initial qualifying event.

KJ's advise to seek out the advise and counsel of a qualified elder care lawyer is a good one...though, in my experience, many lawyers, who don't actually practice elder care law, generally think their sheep skin makes them an expert in all legal matters...many of which have little actual experience.

Back at cha wooby!

Ironic...many of those that deem ACA (Obamacare) socialized medicine are the ones who seem most likely to place their loved ones on the state dole.
 Dee4166
Joined: 6/16/2007
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Posted: 4/10/2015 1:05:03 PM

This is the first time I've heard of a spouse divorcing twice to avoid paying for their spouse's care.


While not twice, that is exactly what my stepfather did here in Quebec, Canada....He placed my mother in a home and then determined that her pension would pay the majority but was told that he would/could lose the house if they were still married, apparently.....So he got a divorce and she is now a ward of the Curateur Publique...which would be the equivalent of perhaps Medicaid in the States...?

My brother was the one who was supposed to follow up on all of that, but I suspect that he was more concerned with being 'liked' than protecting our mother's interests....I unfortunately was the one elected to deal with the doctors and the hospital who were determined to get her on some kind of anti-psychotics or combination, although NONE have been proven effective long-term, and many actually will either worsen the condition or else hasten their death...

At the point when she was admitted to the hospital, she was in perfect physical condition, but they managed to take care of that ,too...

Her doctor was busily trying to keep her 'calm' with any and EVERY med as they had to keep her in the hospital until a bed opened, but fortunately this is in a rural area so it only took a matter of 2 mos.

In that time, she almost literally starved to death, and they kept calling me to come and 'deal' with her, although I live an hour and a half away from where she was...and my stepfather was the one who lived 15min away...

The entire experience has done little more than drive home the point that there will be NO "care" for me like that, not that there probably will even BE, in the next 20 or so years due to an overburdened health care system here, that is in the process of collapsing as we speak........I will take myself out before I get there and am already prepared for pretty much any eventuality...

Was VERY happy that the Euthanasia Law was upheld by the Canadian Supreme Court not long ago....

Kinda awful and sickening that what was once only a horrific possibility is rapidly becoming a real and ultimate probability....
 kj521
Joined: 8/8/2012
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Posted: 4/10/2015 4:34:15 PM
Hey Irish.....

Let me just clarify a couple of things for you. I place no judgement on anyone who seeks state or goverment assistance. I may not like some of the programs in place but that is completely seperate from the people.

The most important thing I have learned as I have worked with various populations from developemental disabilites, to juveniles, to the elderly and adults with disabilities......each situation is different. You have to look at each individual and all contributing factors.


If seeking an elder law attorney......seek one that only practices elder law and is knowledgable in Medicaid planning and VA benefits.
Many elderly are not receiving the VA benefits that they qualify for but.....as both programs differ in their qualifications....you need a professional to assess your situation to best suit the loved ones needs.

It will vary by state but there are free senior resources available...most often people just don't know the questions to ask.

And Irish? Just my personal observation.....but higher socio-economic class seems to have a positive correlation with dollar amount of asset/income diversion with no noticable difference in partisianship. Again just my informal observations. :)
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
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Posted: 4/10/2015 5:04:43 PM

And Irish? Just my personal observation.....but higher socio-economic class seems to have a positive correlation with dollar amount of asset/income diversion with no noticable difference in partisianship. Again just my informal observations. :)


I would agree...yet, those that disdain people on welfare as leaches on society have no problem taking welfare services from government programs, for mom or dad, that generally cost $100,000 per year or more while attempting to shield assets and income from spend down. I just read where Kansas wants to limit TANF to 36 months...Arizona limits TANF to 12 months... Imagine if they wanted to kick Mom out of the nursing home after 12 months.
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
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Posted: 4/10/2015 5:19:30 PM

...yet, those that disdain people on welfare as leaches on society have no problem taking welfare services from government programs, for mom or dad, that generally cost $100,000 per year or more while attempting to shield assets and income from spend down.


You can thank rotten ronney for that one as the old welfare queen meme stuck.

As it was mostly used to cover up the fact that the lion’s share of government funds goes to White America — both corporate and personal.
 daynadaze
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Posted: 4/10/2015 10:11:14 PM
I spent three years working in the Dept. of Human Services in Iowa while I was going to the local community college. I did receptionist work, typed up many letters for the social workers and welfare workers, and ran errands for others. So my nose was in personal private info about a lot of people in the county. Yes, there are people who work the system and get away with it, but most of the people on assistance (the people that the ****ing goes on about) are children, medically or mentally disabled, and the elderly. They are not working the system, they got shafted in life and they need help and they are grateful and they are not sucking the life out of your tax dollars.

Those big money taxpayer's money suckers are large ass farming enterprises, politicians, and those who get kickbacks from sucking up your tax dollars. Most people on welfare wouldn't know how to get their hands on large amounts of your money, they get enough to pay for basic living expenses, food, and clothes and necessities for their families. I had to shake my head about the ****ing every time there was a raise in food stamps, as though one could eat for a month with food stamps only, it took part of your check too. But the deal is, when you get a raise in your food stamps, they take that raise away by lowering your welfare check. Your tax dollars don't amount to much at all for what goes to people in need, most of it goes to corruption in the system. If you got rid of the corruption in our political system, (and no party is above it or worse at it), we could do wondrous things for people.
 Dee4166
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Posted: 4/11/2015 3:09:40 AM
Beautifully said Dayna.....

I, too, have worked with a lot of the disadvantaged and have BEEN one myself....

What really chaps my hide is hearing about all of those 'welfare abusers' who are all apparently 'living high off the hog' on WELFARE mind you, when every time I turn on the news, some gov't SOMEWHERE is just HEMORRHAGING tax dollars on bloated payouts to all and sundry, or else eliminating taxes for big business, in the name of 'economic stimulation'....

Puh-lease!!!

I would LOVE to see even ONE MNA actually try and LIVE off of welfare for 3 months.....JUST 3 months!

Even if they ARE 'screwing the system' and say, working under the table for minimum wage on top of their welfare in order to be able to survive, they are STILL going to be living well below the poverty level....

Nothing like those 'terrible' criminals who are making several thousands of dollars per YEAR, as in under 25$k, in order to throw caution to the WINDS and actually go and buy groceries AND pay their rent, all in one MONTH!!!

While I"m not condoning the behaviour, I have a HELLUVA lot more sympathy for that than I do when I hear how some bozo who was Chancellor of McGill U for about 5 MINUTES was given a 'parting gift' or some such nonsense, of $760,000, paid for, by ME and other fools out here working our ASSES off for much less, with NO benefits, NO paid holidays, NO sick leave, NO retirement plan, (hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!! 'retirement plan'....whew! GOOD one!!!) Oh! And did I mention that ALSO includes LOSING about a THIRD of my, pitiful,salary to those taxes that my gov't was so VERY 'generous' in 'sharing' with this man????

Never mind that the average MNA here gets a salary of over 130k/yr, "works" 3 months out of that year, if by 'working' we mean arguing like kids on the playground, and will ALSO retire at a ridiculously young age with a very hefty retirement 'bonus'....

Or how about all of those lovely companies coming in from the US and overseas setting up shop because they are being virtually PAID to be here by OUR gov't in the name of 'economic stimulation', through tax incentives, grants, low interest loans, etc. And then, when they decide to declare bankruptcy or that moving somewhere like Mexico, or China is more profitable for them...Off they skip, taking all of the jobs and economic stimulation WITH them, leaving an even BIGGER financial mess in their wake....
Not to mention more than a few unpaid debts, salaries, and confused and unemployed people, who were assured by our gov't that 'all was well'....

So yes, welfare fraud is bad.....But what passes for 'business' and 'legal' and 'fair' for those with ALL of the advantages and resources is downright putrid and disgusting....

Ironically, you can BET that welfare cheat WILL be hunted down in the name of 'restitution' and MADE to repay every cent or else face the consequences....Meanwhile GM, who played with the Canadian gov't REPEATEDLY to squeeze as MUCH as they could out of the 'deal' before taking their toys and going home....just reported a net income of 1.1 BILLION dollars in 2014....

Thanks...I'll take the welfare cheat ANY day....
 StarClassic
Joined: 9/29/2014
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Posted: 4/11/2015 9:00:29 AM
Do I do drugs?
Hell F^cking No.
While it can be scary, life just doesn't frighten me that much.
 slowitalldown
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Posted: 4/14/2015 12:17:07 PM
Hi Irish!!!

Long time no see, I must have been in the wrong forums!
 HUMHUMA
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Posted: 3/16/2018 4:09:44 AM
LOL...MA drug of choice would be a woman's labia on MA tongue!.....lol....and no other than an occasional ibuprofen I don't indulge!
 MachIMustangII
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Posted: 3/16/2018 6:36:08 AM
hell, the forum is addiction enough, look how many return.

Cellphones and FOMA could be a close second.
 trulyata
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Posted: 3/16/2018 8:36:04 PM
The addiction dying out with the boards...but yea, there was a time they were very addictive.
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