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Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 73
Why are the majority of Americans so apathetic in politics?Page 5 of 5    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5)

Republicans Passed Civil Rights Legislation when Democrat KKK members tried to block it.

Uh, uh... Nope... Sorry... Wrong... No cigar for you...

The following are the vote total breakdowns for the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964...

The original House version:

* Democratic Party: 152-96
* Republican Party: 138-34

Cloture in the Senate:

* Democratic Party: 44-23
* Republican Party: 27-6

The Senate version:

* Democratic Party: 46-21
* Republican Party: 27-6

The Senate version, voted on by the House:

* Democratic Party: 153-91
* Republican Party: 136-35

Even if the Repub's had refused to cast 1 single vote the bill still would have passed on the Democratic vote alone... This claim of the Repub's taking credit for it is utter BS... Nothing but blatant revisionism... But, as they have demonstrated so far, it's what they do best... Besides just saying no...

Here is another really good little tidbit... EVERY Southern Repub voted against it... Every swingin' one of 'em... At least some Southern Dems had the balls to vote for it, too bad the Repub's can't say the same...

It's certainly easy to see why so many are apathetic about Repub politics...
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 74
Why are the majority of Americans so apathetic in politics?
Posted: 4/11/2010 8:48:14 AM
A minimum of 50 votes in the senate are required for bill passage.
Using your own figures -

Ummm... NO... Wrong.... No cigar for you...

A passing vote requires a majority of VOTES CAST... NOT a majority of ALL SEATS in the Senate... As long as there is QUORUM... Quorum in the Senate is 51 members... Therefore, as few as 26 votes would be sufficient to pass if the Senate is exactly at quorum... There were 67 Dems present (well above quorum)... 46 Dems voted "yea"... So, even if every Repub had been absent or abstained from voting the bill still would have passed...

All questions are to be decided on the Senate floor by simple majority vote unless a constitutional provision or Senate rule or precedent provides otherwise. A simple majority vote is defined as at least 50% plus one of the Senators voting, provided that a quorum is present.

I DEFY you to show where the rules or Constitution say that a bill MUST have a majority of ALL SEATS rather than just a majority of VOTES CAST for passage... It truly is incredible what little accurate and factual knowledge some of the most die-hard "Constitutionalists" have about these things...

Note that the Southern Democrats voted 95% AGAINST the bill.

And note that 100% of Southern Repubs in BOTH the House and the Senate voted against...

OTOH 81% of the Republicans voted FOR the bill. The most opposition to the bill came from racist Southern Democrats.

That STILL doesn't translate into "the Republicans passed the Civil Rights Act"... And, again, I will point out that the MAJORITY of Dems voted in favor... enough to pass it even if all Repubs were absent or abstained... The same CANNOT be said for the Senate Repubs as they didn't have enough members to even reach quorum... THEY couldn't have passed it without the Dems even if every swinging one voted in favour...

Perhaps it is less a case of apathy than an unwillingness to comprehend the process... and simply assume it works the way they imagine...
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 75
Why are the majority of Americans so apathetic in politics?
Posted: 4/11/2010 9:56:38 AM
The Civil Rights Act and all of it's predecessors were proposed by Democrats. The opposition to movement on civil rights since attempts to pass anti-lynching laws (!?!) in the 30's was spearheaded by Democrats.

Both parties have a mixed history on the issue. There are good, noble people who tried to do the right thing who were both Republicans and Democrats. But every attempt was filibustered by powerful Southern Democrats and every attempt at cloture was defeated by an alliance of Southern Democrats and Western Republicans. The Southern Democrats didn't have enough votes on their own to defeat cloture motions - Western Republicans joined with them every time the issue came up.

It's also worth noting that good, noble people like Di*ck Russell were on the wrong side on this issue. He was the most respected Senator in Washington and could always be counted on to read every bill and give a fair assessment of both sides to anyone who asked him. He ended MacArthur mania by showing the man's ignorance of broad issues; he counselled patience in dealing with McCarthy, knowing he would implode. He was a great Senator in many, many ways, but he was also the general in charge of the opposition to any movement on Civil Rights. As a metaphor for America, he stands as a good example of the mixed history of the nation on this issue. Good and bad embodied in one man.
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