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Joined: 8/7/2008
Msg: 228
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She only got $60.00?? That's entry-level pay!

Expectations, and entry level compensation, is far more modest in some more remote venues.
Old joke- Well-dressed business man, seated at bar, two drinks in, lovingly leers at attractive blonde slink in and slide onto a neighboring barstool. Thus inspired, he introduces himself, they chat, and then he asks whether she will sleep with him for $1,000,000US. She thinks for a minute, repressing that first urge to backhand him, the slightly crude flattery takes effect, and she says yes. He lays a $20 bill before her, winks and rises. "Hey, just who do you think I am?!!", she exclaims. And he says, "I think we've already established that; now we're just****ring over the price."
Joined: 6/30/2007
Msg: 229
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Posted: 6/7/2009 10:51:36 AM

IF I was observing you as a potential suitor, I'd see someone who can't be wrong and certainly isn't open to differing POVs.

Then you haven't been paying attention to the thread. As I said earlier, I had a favorable opinion of prostitution when I was younger. I supported legalizing it, and thought that many prostitutes probably lived decent, productive lives. Then I talked to some women who do it for a living. I found out that my prior opinions were wrong. I listened to them and re-evaluated my opinions based on what they said. You can't get more open-minded than that.

Zain---Being a coal miner or handling dangerous radioactive matarials is a perfectly honest job, that doesn't mean i'd want any of my family members to get involved in such dangerous high risk professions for the fear they would get killed in an accident or seriously injured since it's one of the most dangerous jobs in the world it's no different then a parent not wanting their kid to be a sex worker for the fear they might catch an STD but at the same time seeing nothing dishonest about it as a job.

Try not to cram six sentences into one. You'll be more effective that way. If you'll remember the relevant points, it was argued that dishonesty was merely one of the detractions of being a prostitute. Illegality (in many places), health risks, abuse, and unpredictability are also common risks. There are many other risks, as well.

I'll say right now that I've worked construction in the past, and I wouldn't mind a female family member of mine doing construction. I wouldn't mind a family member doing what I do now or any job I've had in the past. However, I have an informed opinion of prostitution and wouldn't want a female relative of mine to be a prostitute.

It's consistent for me to ask you--since you're defending prostitution and comparing it (in terms of risk or danger) to conventional trades---whether you would mind your mother or sister being a prostitute? Yes or no. It's a fair question, since you (without the benefit of any honest discussions with sex-workers) are trying to argue for a favorable view of prostitution. Would you be comfortable with your mom or your sister having sex with hundreds of "johns"?

It's human nature which allows the prostitution trade to flourish. Guys are going to sow their wild oats. Everyone understands that. Most guys are savvy enough not to stand up and compare it to a conventional profession, though. Shut up and do what you're going to do if you can't get it for free. The issue is with disingenuous folks who want to loudly defend a trade even though they would never want to see a loved one involved in that same trade. It's phony BS. It's the thinking of college freshmen trying to look progressive. It's stupid.

Talk to a real prostitute sometime (person to person, not client to pro) and you might find that out.
Joined: 1/12/2008
Msg: 230
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Posted: 6/7/2009 3:44:40 PM
Men pay for sex all the time...It's called dating.

Man pays for dinner. Man pays for movie (entertainment). If night ends in sex, then man paid for sex. Dating is typically the number one form of prostitution.

Love and companionship are not cheap for men.
Joined: 6/30/2007
Msg: 233
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Posted: 6/8/2009 8:59:06 AM
Prostitution Statistics from Study of 850 American prostitutes.


Average age of entry: 14-16 yrs
Average mean age: 31
Average years in prostitution: 11
Percent younger than age 18 at entry: 42%


Threatened with a weapon: 78%
Physically assaulted: 82%
Raped: 82%
Raped more than five times: 73%
Current or past homelessness: 84%
As a child, was hit or beaten by a caregiver until injured or bruised: 49%
Sexually abused as a child: 65-95%


Upset by an attempt to make them do what had been seen in pornography: 32%
Pornography made of her in prostitution: 49%


Drugs: 75%
Alcohol: 26%


Would you leave prostitution: 87%
Need home or safe place: 78%
Need job training: 73%
Need health care: 58%
Need peer support: 50%
Need legal assistance: 42%
Need alcohol and drug treatment: 67%
Self defense training: 49%

ZAIN--I already said I would be fine with it if my loved one or a family member was involved in that trade.

Given the stats I just quoted, a person would have to be callous and foolish to be unconcerned about a family member being a full-time prostitute. A total idiot. To each his own, though. Most guys would disagree with you about being comfortable with family members in prostitution. By the way, the stats for sex-workers outside the U.S. are even worse than the figures quoted here. I have a couple of buddies who would love a crack at your female relatives, since you're cool with it.

<div class="quote">ZAIN--You talked to "some" who do it for a living, therefore does that makes you the authority on the entire sexworker population?

I didn't say that I was an authority on the subject. I said that I had an informed opinion on it and was open-minded about it based on many conversations with actual prostitutes concerning this subject.

<div class="quote">ZAIN---I actually have talked to real prostitutes whose clientele did not include me as a customer. You know nothing about my life or who I've talked to so enough with the assumptions.

I'm calling BS on this one. People who say "you know nothing about my life, etc. etc." usually don't have the first-hand evidence or experience to back up any claims. You would have already divulged this information long ago, like I did. Why are you only mentioning these supposed "talks" now? This would have been your evidence. Why not earlier when I gave my accounts? If these pros who supposedly talked to you had told you ANYTHING which supports your argument, you would have mentioned it long ago.

Therefore, it's apparent that you haven't talked to any prostitutes about anything relevant to this discussion.
Joined: 3/3/2008
Msg: 237
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Posted: 6/9/2009 5:30:39 AM
I had a particularly good session with my girlfriend once, and as a joke she said "This is gonna cost you plenty!"

I replied "At our age, doesn't the woman pay the man?"
Joined: 6/30/2007
Msg: 238
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Posted: 6/9/2009 7:48:28 AM

It amazes me that ignorant people think that these women are ok with what they are doing and the men are fine for picking up a hooker rather than getting medical/psychological attention.

Agreed. Listen, I'm a red-meat-eating, non-feminist who used to hold a progressive view of prostitution. Sometimes, someone even as stubborn as I am has to re-evaluate things. Anyone who is faced with the facts and first-hand accounts cannot reasonably support or defend the trade. Am I going to knock a guy who's horny and who pays for it because he doesn't have a FWB he can call? No. I know and understand guys like that. I also know why they can't get laid for free. Does prostitution's inevitability legitimize it as a conventional or respectable trade? No. Prostitutes and escorts themselves (almost to a person) will tell you it's a barbarically rough life.

I think we all understand that prostitution will always be there in some form, and that both men and women will be involved in it. There is a tiny percentage of sex-workers (and it is an exceptionally small percentage) who like what they do and have favorable working conditions. However, the overwhelming majority of sex-workers function under bad conditions at considerable risk both to themselves and their family members. It's an ugly, desultory business.
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Joined: 5/30/2009
Msg: 239
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Posted: 6/9/2009 9:20:50 AM
Well although there has been a few comments that went further than the scope of prostitution most seem to be focused on hookers, street walkers the whole "cash 4 sex" behavior goes way deeper and yes can even be practiced in some marraiges. Some woman agree and knowingly agree to accept cash, gifts, vacations and a little help on the rent. You also have women that are "kept" on the side and fully taken care of financially with the understanding that the one that is supporting her will be given sex when needed. And this behavior is not limitted to only women either.
Joined: 4/25/2009
Msg: 241
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Posted: 6/9/2009 12:27:42 PM
Please, all you ugly women haven't been offered the RIGHT amount of money. I dont care what you say, if you were offered a good amount of cash, not $60 bucks, you would do it!

No different from a gold digger....
Joined: 5/14/2009
Msg: 243
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Posted: 6/16/2009 8:11:31 AM
statistics from a social worker study of 850 STREET prostitutes from marginal culture of drug abuse and violence..more like it!

In any work the marginal dont get paid, get beat up trying to work, illegals of any kind take risks, not just hookers.

In a posh setting theyre protected by bouncers and have screening services and if their work is legal, even the protection of police and the right to collect legal debts. Health care and savings...

Again, the subject opens up issues about what is culture and civilization and its not about the 'bad' and the 'good' but about power. Its a grave and foolish mistake to equate being powerful with being clean and good, every rich neighborhood has more vandalizm and theft than the poor ones, they just have the insurance to get it repaired the next day!

Just do maintinance on a high end club sometime, you see every gross and foul mess and evidence of perversion in the basements of the respected as one imagines in the back rooms of the tennement..

If the New Testament stories are to be believed, Jesus knew the sex worker or woman at the well was no different than the strictly observant Pharisee who washed their hands after touching anything..that looking at outward appearances is ridiculously false and inside people are all the same. And so often these people see the true human nature because they dont live out of the pretense so common to the rest of us.

Like drug abuse, prostitution is the hallmark of money-economies. And its also as ancient and totally cuts across all classes and we fail to grasp how widespread and how much money is involved in these things..Just think on the order of the energy economy..And this give it enormous power and influence and explains why although it may be illegal it continues with the cooperation of enforcement people through corruption.

Prohibition has been tried in nearly every country and failed, its the same with sex work, you cant outlaw it and pretending to try just creates a corrupt system that denies this industry protections of law..and makes its workers vulnerable to abuses.

Its all about hypocrisy..and if someone wants to be a social worker and help sex workers find a new life, it should be those with that background who understand it..

Just as with drugs the real dangers arent the drugs but the exposure to disease and crime and violence that come from the outlaw environment where these things are procured.. Just like the old nightmare abortion procedures..not a dangerous procedure if done without the shameful taboos that make it so risky.
Joined: 5/14/2009
Msg: 251
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Posted: 6/18/2009 10:07:52 AM
Good for you Greg, And the woman at the well..

We all have manipulation and compromise in our lives. The sex deal clearly cuts through all the bullshit surrounding that..Then the experience is truly honest. Same as ironically when youre cheating all the stresse of the expectations are gone, and somehow its far more pure because its in the moment, not stress loaded.

About disease the truth is that VD was epidemic in the fifties, not sure the exact numbers but virtually everyone! Then with the advent of antibiotics which were vastly overused for colds and sore throats wiped out VD mostly out by accident. And Herpes is something about a quarter of the population has, and half of those dont even know. Or more.

One question is, is it women being "sluts" that makes this true, or too sexually restrictive which makes great numbers of men go to the one or two available women who dont turn them down...and then these women infect everyone because of the men exposed. The point is that repression backfires just as alcohol prohibition caused an increase in drinking and a vast increase in problem drinking..and associated crime.

Thats my point about paid sex, outlawing it creates the problems, violence, disease, abuses, not the fact of what it is..And these things actually are done less not more if theyre normalized instead of all so incredibly Taboo and sinsational..
Joined: 6/15/2009
Msg: 260
Posted: 7/22/2009 4:50:56 AM
Rule of paying ettiquete is as follows:

Whoever ask the person out PAYS.

If both parties agree before going on the date that they are separating the bill, then both parties PAY

Many times when a woman pays, the guy feels a letdown (unless it was at one of those high falutin places that charge $40 for a bowl of lobster bisque), or that the woman is too in control.

This is a no win situation, so why can't people talk ths out before going on the date, so that the next day they don't post how tragic their date was due to having to pay.

On the otherhand, man or woman who accepts sexual favors for money or GIFTS is a whore. Does not matter the reason, that is the profession now chose in one single choice.
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Msg: 262
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Posted: 7/22/2009 6:44:07 AM

LOL....marriage is legal prostitution! Any wife who is dependant on her spouse for money and has sex with him is in a way a 'whore'.

^^ People who think this way need to talk to actual prostitutes. NO, marriage is nothing like prostitution...neither is going on a date with someone who pays for the date.....neither is any conventional profession like prostitution.

Utterly ridiculous.

People who blur the distinctions between relationships governed by affection/professional concerns/common interests vs. financial transactions purely for sex, are not commenting based on the available information. The statistics about prostitution speak for themselves and speak loudly. Prostitution is usually based on dysfunctionality and thrives on dysfunctionality. As was stated earlier: no normal person would want their Mom or their sister to prostitute for a living, so that fact alone eliminates prostitution as a conventional or respectable profession.

People should get informed before taking what they think is an "open-minded" position on this just to appear "open-minded". The true open-mindedness will come from talking to sex workers themselves and looking at the stats concerning prostitution.

And yeah, "johns" are marks and losers. They can't get it for free---that's the bottom line. No one on this thread has defended the male clients while slamming the female sex workers, so no one needs to keep saying: "What about the guys?" That's a red herring.
Joined: 12/29/2006
Msg: 264
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Posted: 7/22/2009 12:31:00 PM
well I consider myself an ex prostitute ... I have dated /shagged several women in my younger days just for the money they gave me ... and that makes me a worse kind of whore ...they were giving me money trying to win my love ... but I knew I wasnt going to give it ..but I did keep going by and giving sex and letting them give me money..i never set a price but I knew that when i went by they would give me all they had...and thats low
but im not that guy anymore ...wish I could make amends
Joined: 12/29/2006
Msg: 267
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Posted: 7/22/2009 2:26:05 PM

Come on man...give yourself a break..

closer not beating up on myself for this transgression or the many others in my life ..I have put it in its place and attributed it to the fallacy of youth ..and learning and growing up ....but as an old man who has made a habit of doing the wrong things for the wrong reasons all my life is my prerogative to ponder on the hearts I have broken and the hurt i have needlessly caused in my journey to maturity ... although karma may not seek direct revenge on your juvenile actions ...they will most surely visit you in your deepest thoughts when you ponder the humility you wish you had always had
old men put deep thought in what might have been of the memories of emotions where they took the shallow road..if you live long enough and accept the humility that comes to you with age will remember everyone you hurt or used in your life ...especially the ones that offered you their love

again if only there was a way to make amends ...or even just to know the extent of the effect of your actions
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