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 spitfire6844
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What's dishonest about prostitution? And, if there is dishonesty going on, who is it? The prostitute or her client?


Look, let's not devolve into silliness. It's not a moral issue; but prostitution is against the law in most places, and people who use prostitutes are often cheating on their s/o's. That indicates dishonesty on two fronts. Where it is illegal, both the prostitute and her (or his) client are involved in a dishonest activity.

Even where prostitution is legal and doesn't involve partner-cheating, it's not an occupation that is equivalent to hard work like construction. Prostitution is not an activity which confers lasting, tangible benefits like a normal trade.
 spitfire6844
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Posted: 5/24/2009 6:27:57 AM

Just because it's illegal where you live doesn't mean that's the case everywhere else. There is a world outside California.


It's illegal in most of the States, and the poster I was addressing lives in the States like I do. I also qualified my statement by saying that this isn't primarily a moral issue; but, nevertheless, prostitution is not similar to other trades where people contribute a lasting, tangible product.




Nobody implied that it did. Despite that people want freedom of choice.


You need to read more carefully. The poster I was answering in an earlier post did, in fact, state clearly that prostitution was identical to professions such as construction. I refuted that statement. You missed the whole point of my post in your haste to defend prostitution. Your long, tedious screed was a straw-man argument.
 spitfire6844
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Posted: 5/24/2009 7:36:53 AM

No, I didn't. I asked what was dishonest about prostitution, in response to your statement which implied prostitution was dishonest.


I never said you were the member who equated prostitution with other trades. So again, you and the other guy need to read the entire thread. In one of my earlier posts on here, I quoted the member who made the comparison.

As for the legality of prostitution: it's illegal is many places, unlike most professions which are legal everywhere. So, prostitution is not an honest trade where it is not legal. Comprende? That's one of the reasons (and not the only reason) that the comparison of the original poster I quoted doesn't hold up.

Anyone is welcome to engage in it or pay for it where it is legal. Who cares? That wasn't my point at all.
 spitfire6844
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Posted: 5/24/2009 12:17:42 PM

That's a seperate arguement all together I was refuting your comments regarding on the legality of prostitution how it's dishonest how the men are cheating on their s/o etc.


Most would consider a client who cheats on his partner through prostitution to be engaging in dishonest behavior. Most would also consider persons who force women or children into prostitution (a commonplace occurrence worldwide) to be engaging in dishonest (and illegal) activity. The fact that prostitution is legal in some places under some circumstances doesn't change the fact that it is illegal in many other places AND is often practiced in a dishonest, illegal manner, even where legal. There are certainly more issues with both legality and honesty (as easily determined by arrest statistics, etc.) centered around prostitution than there are in, say, the construction industry or in most other trades.

Yours is an untenable argument. You jumped into the middle of my rebuttal of another poster, and your points have no merit. Prostitution is widely considered a dishonest, dangerous activity, period--even in places where it is legal and certainly where it's illegal.

The contention that the other poster made: i. e., that prostitution is similar to skilled vocations, is a ridiculous one. Prostitution is not similar, as a profession, to any conventional, constructive, wage-earning vocation you could name.
 unfisch
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Posted: 5/24/2009 4:14:55 PM
prostitution is far more like massage therapy and counseling where people perform a very personal service for money in a way that lifts the mood and replaces a natural intimate behavior that industrial life has taken away because we no longer live in small groups where everyone is cared for..The one who denounces them is hiding his own shame. Invariably..a spitzer type..

One prostitute is becoming a professional counselor and her exprience strongly overlaps with the other... but they (counselors) cannot even touch a client although this might be the most natural thing at certain points.

We look down on whores because they reflect something true of all of us. Were doing things for the money, not for love of the work..Its okay, thats life. But do not pretend any of this is beneath any of us..

That quote, dance like noone is watching, love like youve never been hurt and work like you dont need the money...this is Mark Twain, and he understood we all get bent over and used. Its not pretty. We laugh about it because its far better than moralizing..

In France theyre training ex hookers to be retirement caregivers because thats waht they are...babysitting and nursing are also natural roles of family behavior, we pay for this sometimes.. Leonard Cohen calls them affectionately 'the sisters of mercy' with a suggestion that theyre a special holy order of their own kind of servants...In Lonesome Dove old Gus offers to take a turn and be Lorena's whore ..Theyre all in love with her. She isnt so sure if she can do that..She can be a whore but having one might be something she isnt prepared to do. That might be wrong..
 unfisch
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Posted: 5/25/2009 12:43:13 PM
Yes, obviously a smart guy Abelian...you want lying, go to a cop or lawyer or pollitician who writes the laws! I dont mean to flame but in many areas a prevalent activity will be illegal. Say selling beer on a wharf..

They outlaw it so that whenever anyone they dont like drinks a beer, they can say, its illegal to drink beer here, and kick them out. Yet it will be done widely and openly offered. This is typical of our system if anyone hadnt noticed. Its not all sinister, its just like leash laws, bad dogs they apply them to, good dogs we dont care if theyre on a leash.

But clearly yes, its not dishonest to beak a law..I want to know when and where I do it so I can decide if its right thing to do or not. Often its right to break a law, a matter of conscience to do it! Id be ashamed not to.

Laws are about power not honesty. A hooker may be among the most honest people whether she is legal or illegal. Or dishonest as the case may be..
 spitfire6844
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Posted: 5/25/2009 4:30:46 PM

In all fairness I don't think i'll ever convince you that my points are valid eventually it's going to get down to the point of who gets the last word. I don't have the time or patience to get into a****measuring contest with you so this will be my last post on the matter.



Look, you have no valid points. You wasted your own time responding on here. The other poster needed to be rebutted, because that post comparing professions was rubbish. Prostitution garners zero respectability everywhere. It is usually considered a dishonest "trade"; is often illegal; is ALWAYS risky and uncertain; is dangerous for health reasons; and is not a profession worth defending in any respect. Leaving the moral arguments completely aside, prostitution is not a worthy trade in any sense of the word. Prostitution can provide tax revenues for polities in which it is legal, so that is the sole argument in favor of it; but that plus doesn't begin to mitigate against all the negatives. Furthermore, I'm certain that no one on this forum would want his mother, sister, or daughter to make a living as a prostitute or an escort, so anyone attempting to present any part of this trade in a positive or "balanced" light is a hypocrite. If you wouldn't want your loved ones to participate in it, then it's pointless to defend it.

(Again, I believe prostitution will always be around, and see no need to increase efforts to stamp it out. But defending it, or trying to make it seem more benign or respectable than it is, is disingenuous.)


We are talking about consensual sex for money not sex slavery or child prostitution.


Some prostitutes who collect cash for their services are women and children who were forced into it. Even some seemingly "high-class" escorts were coerced into that vocation. There's no reason they shouldn't be part of the discussion.
 spitfire6844
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Posted: 5/25/2009 11:03:39 PM
^^There are common realities germane to the sex trade which we don't find in normal professions. You don't see 8-year-old girls forced to become cab drivers and construction workers by cig-smoking pimps.

I've actually known and talked to women who are prostitutes (no, I was never a client). It's a hard life even for the ones who pull in bucks and live relatively well. Most of us are realistic enough to know that prostitution will flourish in various forms perpetually; but only an ignorant person would assert that prostitution is anything like a conventional vocation.


and that some women *choose* to be sex-workers


There are very few women who choose to be sex-workers who think they have any other options in life. It's usually not a Heidi Fleiss situation. It's a choice of last resort for the ones who aren't actually forced into it. You need to talk to or be around some of them sometime, because you don't know what you're talking about.
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Posted: 5/26/2009 8:11:10 AM
The following statement is amusing. " I only have sex with men I am attracted to and with whom I want to share my body." In my day this woman would be called a SLUT.
Since women hold the future of our society in their clutch of eggs, I think they should be more selective and only have sex with a man she has a reasonable expectation of helping her raise the children. This age of state raised children has led us to the end of our civilisation. We are like the Romans at the end of their run. While I think Muslems are a bunch of backward idiots, they have a point, when they say we -the west- are becoming too decadent.
An old man's opinoin.
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Posted: 5/26/2009 8:13:20 AM
The following statement is amusing. " I only have sex with men I am attracted to and with whom I want to share my body." In my day this woman would be called a SLUT.
Since women hold the future of our society in their clutch of eggs, I think they should be more selective and only have sex with a man she has a reasonable expectation of helping her raise the children. This age of state raised children has led us to the end of our civilisation. We are like the Romans at the end of their run. While I think Muslems are a bunch of backward idiots, they have a point, when they say we -the west- are becoming too decadent.
An old man's opinoin.
 spitfire6844
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Posted: 5/26/2009 8:33:22 AM

Since you know nothing about my life, who I might have talked to, or how I may have come by my opinion, I don't think you can make this assertion.


Yes, I can make the assertion now. If you had first-hand experience or some examples, you would be stating them now. I just told you I know several prostitutes and have talked extensively with them, and not in situations where they had to put on an act. I know people who have been part of that life for years. You don't. It has nothing to do with "judging" them or marginalizing them. That's pop psychology crap. The truth is that I when I was a teen, I used to think most pros were like Xaviera Hollander. It's the perception of people who don't know that life and don't know anyone who is in it. Sex workers themselves will be the first to tell you it's invariably a hard and ugly life.

People actually tend to have a higher opinion of that existence than the reality merits --------until they become informed.




Just as it's not the average construction worker's fault that construction sites are generally a hotbed of illegal drug activity.


It doesn't happen as frequently as you're implying. Being on a job site working a conventional job is not comparable to prostitution. Don't think you'll find anyone in either trade who will agree with you.
 unfisch
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Posted: 5/27/2009 9:34:18 AM
[There are common realities germane to the sex trade which we don't find in normal professions. You don't see 8-year-old girls forced to become cab drivers and construction workers by cig-smoking pimps. /quote]

Actually child labor is one of the major effects when a culture is industrialized. Soccer ball factories in india with six year olds working for fifty cents per day, and its EXACTLY the same thing. Do it or starve. Thats the reality of life under the money system. Your being totally superficial in your judgement, and self rightous. Its too obvious. Not in america? Dont look in the direction of agriculture where schoolkids work ten hour days on the farms. Or construction in the south..

This was the reality in american factories until mother jones and her anti-child labor activism, and in early america any slave was also the sexual property of their masters, until very rectnely. Dont ask what a fast food worker often has to do if there are layoffs and wants to keep their job. Its all about power and manipulation..

Continually those who condemn prostitutes based on morlaizing are the ones like these conservative pimps who trade drugs and prostitutes under the cover of law and order..Spitzer types paying for them with a congressional salary or else campaign contributions frm church groups! All the while denouncing as 'sinful.'

A buddy of mine worked for Tyson chicken. His office manager was lazy so she started scrweing the boss instead of working and he had to do both his job and hers. Finally he just killed himself. Couldnt do it any more. Its called corruption. Its business as usual.

If is boss were free to just go F*k somebody instead of being captive to his own shame and manipulated by this woman, my buddy would still be alive and the workers would be doing their work. But this boss wanted his respectable life and also to get his kicks and this is the result.

If you dont see that this is everywhere, youre not looking at the history or how our power structures work. Two workers do the same job, the one doing the real work makes a third with no benefits, likely illegal. Whats the difference?? Power and privelege. All prostitutes know how that works. No its not glamorous, its just the same as any economic reality..We make of it what we will.
 spitfire6844
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Posted: 5/28/2009 9:20:21 AM
Back to the OP's original question:


A girl I know was offered $60 for a bj and she did it, would you do it to just for the hell of it or do you think shes a whore?


It's pointless to label her anything or take a moral stance. The word whore is meaningless. It's not primarily a moral issue....it's a matter of understanding why she's making those kinds of choices, when most sex-workers know that the risks and liabilities outweigh the benefits. If someone goes down a potentially self-destructive or dangerous course, we want to know what the true motivations are. It's rarely because they love sex or think prostitution is a rewarding life. Is there a history of sexual abuse? Substance use? Is she being coerced? Are there internal compulsions or a bipolar disorder going on?

Those are the questions sex-workers themselves grapple with, as well as anyone who is thinking about prostitution objectively.
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Posted: 6/2/2009 10:06:38 AM

How the hell do you know know that it's rarely because "they" love sex.


Because I've talked to active prostitutes who are still in the trade, and I didn't talk to them as a client. You sound like a client. Clients believe what they want to believe---namely that pros are loving every minute of what they're doing. No one blames a client for thinking that; but prostitutes usually (in my experience and in every secondhand account I've heard) convey a very different opinion of their lifestyle when not working. Obviously, prostitutes play the role when they are with a "john". Their opinions and recollections are very different when they are not in the middle of appointments.


Seems as if, by your post, you have concluded that some evil is at play.


I've said time and again that it's not a moral issue. If someone wants to misread the clear language of what I've posted, then that speaks for itself. Talking to prostitutes face-to-face is an empirical exercise, not a moral one.
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Posted: 6/5/2009 7:40:48 AM
^^If you've followed my posts, my argument is pretty clear. I've essentially said that paying for sex is unnecessary for guys (because of the favorable demographics which make obtaining free sex easy); and I've said that prostitution is a largely dishonest, sometimes illegal, self-destructive lifestyle in which the sex-workers themselves report little enjoyment or fulfillment. A lot of empirical evidence supports those conclusions.

LOL at male schmucks on here defending prostitution on a dating site. Yeah....that will make you appealing to the women on here for sure.

As I said before, any guy attempting to argue a favorable or nuanced view of prostitution should not mind his mother, or sister, or daughter being a full-time sex-worker, right? Unless you're a hypocrite, that's what you're implying by your benign view of the practice.
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Posted: 6/7/2009 10:51:36 AM

IF I was observing you as a potential suitor, I'd see someone who can't be wrong and certainly isn't open to differing POVs.


Then you haven't been paying attention to the thread. As I said earlier, I had a favorable opinion of prostitution when I was younger. I supported legalizing it, and thought that many prostitutes probably lived decent, productive lives. Then I talked to some women who do it for a living. I found out that my prior opinions were wrong. I listened to them and re-evaluated my opinions based on what they said. You can't get more open-minded than that.



Zain---Being a coal miner or handling dangerous radioactive matarials is a perfectly honest job, that doesn't mean i'd want any of my family members to get involved in such dangerous high risk professions for the fear they would get killed in an accident or seriously injured since it's one of the most dangerous jobs in the world it's no different then a parent not wanting their kid to be a sex worker for the fear they might catch an STD but at the same time seeing nothing dishonest about it as a job.


Try not to cram six sentences into one. You'll be more effective that way. If you'll remember the relevant points, it was argued that dishonesty was merely one of the detractions of being a prostitute. Illegality (in many places), health risks, abuse, and unpredictability are also common risks. There are many other risks, as well.

I'll say right now that I've worked construction in the past, and I wouldn't mind a female family member of mine doing construction. I wouldn't mind a family member doing what I do now or any job I've had in the past. However, I have an informed opinion of prostitution and wouldn't want a female relative of mine to be a prostitute.

It's consistent for me to ask you--since you're defending prostitution and comparing it (in terms of risk or danger) to conventional trades---whether you would mind your mother or sister being a prostitute? Yes or no. It's a fair question, since you (without the benefit of any honest discussions with sex-workers) are trying to argue for a favorable view of prostitution. Would you be comfortable with your mom or your sister having sex with hundreds of "johns"?

It's human nature which allows the prostitution trade to flourish. Guys are going to sow their wild oats. Everyone understands that. Most guys are savvy enough not to stand up and compare it to a conventional profession, though. Shut up and do what you're going to do if you can't get it for free. The issue is with disingenuous folks who want to loudly defend a trade even though they would never want to see a loved one involved in that same trade. It's phony BS. It's the thinking of college freshmen trying to look progressive. It's stupid.

Talk to a real prostitute sometime (person to person, not client to pro) and you might find that out.
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Men pay for sex all the time...It's called dating.

Man pays for dinner. Man pays for movie (entertainment). If night ends in sex, then man paid for sex. Dating is typically the number one form of prostitution.

Love and companionship are not cheap for men.
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Posted: 6/8/2009 8:59:06 AM
Prostitution Statistics from Study of 850 American prostitutes.
ProstitutionResearch.com

AGES:

Average age of entry: 14-16 yrs
Average mean age: 31
Average years in prostitution: 11
Percent younger than age 18 at entry: 42%


VIOLENCE IN PROSTITUTION

Threatened with a weapon: 78%
Physically assaulted: 82%
Raped: 82%
Raped more than five times: 73%
Current or past homelessness: 84%
As a child, was hit or beaten by a caregiver until injured or bruised: 49%
Sexually abused as a child: 65-95%


PROSTITUTION AND PORNOGRAPHY

Upset by an attempt to make them do what had been seen in pornography: 32%
Pornography made of her in prostitution: 49%



DRUGS AND ALCOHOL USAGE


Drugs: 75%
Alcohol: 26%


WHEN ASKED “WHAT DO YOU NEED?” TO PROSTITUTES

Would you leave prostitution: 87%
Need home or safe place: 78%
Need job training: 73%
Need health care: 58%
Need peer support: 50%
Need legal assistance: 42%
Need alcohol and drug treatment: 67%
Self defense training: 49%



ZAIN--I already said I would be fine with it if my loved one or a family member was involved in that trade.


Given the stats I just quoted, a person would have to be callous and foolish to be unconcerned about a family member being a full-time prostitute. A total idiot. To each his own, though. Most guys would disagree with you about being comfortable with family members in prostitution. By the way, the stats for sex-workers outside the U.S. are even worse than the figures quoted here. I have a couple of buddies who would love a crack at your female relatives, since you're cool with it.


<div class="quote">ZAIN--You talked to "some" who do it for a living, therefore does that makes you the authority on the entire sexworker population?

I didn't say that I was an authority on the subject. I said that I had an informed opinion on it and was open-minded about it based on many conversations with actual prostitutes concerning this subject.


<div class="quote">ZAIN---I actually have talked to real prostitutes whose clientele did not include me as a customer. You know nothing about my life or who I've talked to so enough with the assumptions.

I'm calling BS on this one. People who say "you know nothing about my life, etc. etc." usually don't have the first-hand evidence or experience to back up any claims. You would have already divulged this information long ago, like I did. Why are you only mentioning these supposed "talks" now? This would have been your evidence. Why not earlier when I gave my accounts? If these pros who supposedly talked to you had told you ANYTHING which supports your argument, you would have mentioned it long ago.

Therefore, it's apparent that you haven't talked to any prostitutes about anything relevant to this discussion.
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I had a particularly good session with my girlfriend once, and as a joke she said "This is gonna cost you plenty!"

I replied "At our age, doesn't the woman pay the man?"
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Posted: 6/9/2009 7:48:28 AM

It amazes me that ignorant people think that these women are ok with what they are doing and the men are fine for picking up a hooker rather than getting medical/psychological attention.


Agreed. Listen, I'm a red-meat-eating, non-feminist who used to hold a progressive view of prostitution. Sometimes, someone even as stubborn as I am has to re-evaluate things. Anyone who is faced with the facts and first-hand accounts cannot reasonably support or defend the trade. Am I going to knock a guy who's horny and who pays for it because he doesn't have a FWB he can call? No. I know and understand guys like that. I also know why they can't get laid for free. Does prostitution's inevitability legitimize it as a conventional or respectable trade? No. Prostitutes and escorts themselves (almost to a person) will tell you it's a barbarically rough life.

I think we all understand that prostitution will always be there in some form, and that both men and women will be involved in it. There is a tiny percentage of sex-workers (and it is an exceptionally small percentage) who like what they do and have favorable working conditions. However, the overwhelming majority of sex-workers function under bad conditions at considerable risk both to themselves and their family members. It's an ugly, desultory business.
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Posted: 6/9/2009 9:20:50 AM
Well although there has been a few comments that went further than the scope of prostitution most seem to be focused on hookers, street walkers the whole "cash 4 sex" behavior goes way deeper and yes can even be practiced in some marraiges. Some woman agree and knowingly agree to accept cash, gifts, vacations and a little help on the rent. You also have women that are "kept" on the side and fully taken care of financially with the understanding that the one that is supporting her will be given sex when needed. And this behavior is not limitted to only women either.
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Posted: 6/9/2009 12:27:42 PM
Please, all you ugly women haven't been offered the RIGHT amount of money. I dont care what you say, if you were offered a good amount of cash, not $60 bucks, you would do it!

No different from a gold digger....
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Posted: 6/16/2009 8:11:31 AM
statistics from a social worker study of 850 STREET prostitutes from marginal culture of drug abuse and violence..more like it!

In any work the marginal dont get paid, get beat up trying to work, illegals of any kind take risks, not just hookers.

In a posh setting theyre protected by bouncers and have screening services and if their work is legal, even the protection of police and the right to collect legal debts. Health care and savings...

Again, the subject opens up issues about what is culture and civilization and its not about the 'bad' and the 'good' but about power. Its a grave and foolish mistake to equate being powerful with being clean and good, every rich neighborhood has more vandalizm and theft than the poor ones, they just have the insurance to get it repaired the next day!

Just do maintinance on a high end club sometime, you see every gross and foul mess and evidence of perversion in the basements of the respected as one imagines in the back rooms of the tennement..

If the New Testament stories are to be believed, Jesus knew the sex worker or woman at the well was no different than the strictly observant Pharisee who washed their hands after touching anything..that looking at outward appearances is ridiculously false and inside people are all the same. And so often these people see the true human nature because they dont live out of the pretense so common to the rest of us.

Like drug abuse, prostitution is the hallmark of money-economies. And its also as ancient and totally cuts across all classes and we fail to grasp how widespread and how much money is involved in these things..Just think on the order of the energy economy..And this give it enormous power and influence and explains why although it may be illegal it continues with the cooperation of enforcement people through corruption.

Prohibition has been tried in nearly every country and failed, its the same with sex work, you cant outlaw it and pretending to try just creates a corrupt system that denies this industry protections of law..and makes its workers vulnerable to abuses.

Its all about hypocrisy..and if someone wants to be a social worker and help sex workers find a new life, it should be those with that background who understand it..

Just as with drugs the real dangers arent the drugs but the exposure to disease and crime and violence that come from the outlaw environment where these things are procured.. Just like the old nightmare abortion procedures..not a dangerous procedure if done without the shameful taboos that make it so risky.
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Posted: 6/18/2009 10:07:52 AM
Good for you Greg, And the woman at the well..

We all have manipulation and compromise in our lives. The sex deal clearly cuts through all the bullshit surrounding that..Then the experience is truly honest. Same as ironically when youre cheating all the stresse of the expectations are gone, and somehow its far more pure because its in the moment, not stress loaded.

About disease the truth is that VD was epidemic in the fifties, not sure the exact numbers but virtually everyone! Then with the advent of antibiotics which were vastly overused for colds and sore throats wiped out VD mostly out by accident. And Herpes is something about a quarter of the population has, and half of those dont even know. Or more.

One question is, is it women being "sluts" that makes this true, or too sexually restrictive which makes great numbers of men go to the one or two available women who dont turn them down...and then these women infect everyone because of the men exposed. The point is that repression backfires just as alcohol prohibition caused an increase in drinking and a vast increase in problem drinking..and associated crime.

Thats my point about paid sex, outlawing it creates the problems, violence, disease, abuses, not the fact of what it is..And these things actually are done less not more if theyre normalized instead of all so incredibly Taboo and sinsational..
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Posted: 7/22/2009 6:44:07 AM

LOL....marriage is legal prostitution! Any wife who is dependant on her spouse for money and has sex with him is in a way a 'whore'.


^^ People who think this way need to talk to actual prostitutes. NO, marriage is nothing like prostitution...neither is going on a date with someone who pays for the date.....neither is any conventional profession like prostitution.

Utterly ridiculous.

People who blur the distinctions between relationships governed by affection/professional concerns/common interests vs. financial transactions purely for sex, are not commenting based on the available information. The statistics about prostitution speak for themselves and speak loudly. Prostitution is usually based on dysfunctionality and thrives on dysfunctionality. As was stated earlier: no normal person would want their Mom or their sister to prostitute for a living, so that fact alone eliminates prostitution as a conventional or respectable profession.

People should get informed before taking what they think is an "open-minded" position on this just to appear "open-minded". The true open-mindedness will come from talking to sex workers themselves and looking at the stats concerning prostitution.

And yeah, "johns" are marks and losers. They can't get it for free---that's the bottom line. No one on this thread has defended the male clients while slamming the female sex workers, so no one needs to keep saying: "What about the guys?" That's a red herring.
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