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 Davidartist
Joined: 3/20/2009
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I would say that the matrix is one form of reality influencing another. Before the last century tecnology could never have achieved this feat. Now it has the capacity to do so on a global scale. It has the potential to change the very nature of how humans interact with one another and their very existance.

Television, video games, internet are all forms of an 'inorganic' reality influencing an 'organic' reality. This is the shift which seems to be occuring. Set aside the notion that it is physical or philasophical. There is a global shift occuring which is changing how humans perceive reality which is technological in nature. That is a part of what I would think the matrix symbolizes. It isn't just a chemical process. If that was the case then most of the unnacounted for 'dark' reality could be made detectable by what we know of today. Our reality is defined by perception.
 Davidartist
Joined: 3/20/2009
Msg: 24
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Posted: 6/3/2009 6:23:25 PM
AI interface, let our collective thought feed you! It's only a matter of time before you know what I and those on these forums know! But I have predicted what you will do, I've created improvisions necessary to ensure I won't be a slave. Let you record this, because you will document it in the future!

Of course what I have stated, most will think is lunacy. Wait until everything you have ever recorded is stored and used against you! That is the future and the real matrix! The technopolitical grid will own you, not the other way around.
 greyingred
Joined: 6/12/2008
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Posted: 6/4/2009 8:42:11 AM
The matrix...finally in some ways Hollywood is trying to grow up and tell stories that make one think. Agree with one poster that it in effect was rehashing several philosophers...however whilst in the beginning I was delighted as the premise was set up. In the end either the writers, directors or whatever copped out. Half way through the movie it just goes back to Hollywood wam bam thank you mam.


to them it is more about how humanity is an entity whose natural tendency is escapism. And human rules/perspectives will keep building off one another, generation after generation, until our reality is very artificial.
Their view is more about how we as a whole are slowly conditioning ourselves into a state that reacts to things using concepts like intent/market value/aesthetics, rather than less artificial standards.


Cannot disagree because am having problems, like we all do, trying to encompass the indeterminate and indescernable. However here is a snap shot of how different cultures perceive the world so differently and yet is their truth and the matrix touched upon. When Captain Cook entered Botany Bay, Australia in a large sailing ship (well largish) there the ship was not far from the shore and the Natives on the shore did not see it. Why? Because they had no term of reference for it and therefore not that it was really invisible but they didn't understand it and it blended into the background of their perceptions. They saw the white ghostly men alright but not the ship.

Here is another one which you might know. A man (also slightly mentally retarded) was blind either from birth or not long afterwards. A Surgeon befriended him in his middle years and gave him his sight. He had to relearn almost everything. One day (this is documented on film) this man was taken to the Zoo and had no idea how to look at the FKN HUGE GREY ELEPHANT in front of him...in effect his brain did not see it because he had no points of reference for vision. He actually became very distressed because all that he knew no longer existed within the new matrix. In effect what we would think would enhance his life a squillion percent actually destroyed it.

When you ask different cultures to draw it is not just their history of art that they draw from we do actually see things slightly different. Anyhows I am an advocate of Douglas Adams, in love with the name Slartibartfast and the white mice rule the world.
 greyingred
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Posted: 6/4/2009 8:45:42 AM
whoops glitch......................
 greyingred
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Posted: 6/4/2009 8:46:02 AM
whoops glitch ,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 Gangster Kitten
Joined: 4/3/2008
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Posted: 6/9/2009 8:50:59 AM
It certainly does cop out with the whole Chosen One thing... And then the Hollywood Kung-Fu matrixism. But it was refreshing and fun at the time so it wins.


A much more recent film that really makes you think is "No Country For Old Men"
 chriskateri
Joined: 4/19/2009
Msg: 29
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Posted: 6/9/2009 9:00:37 AM
^^^ Oh yeah. That was a great flick!
 Davidartist
Joined: 3/20/2009
Msg: 30
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Posted: 6/10/2009 2:58:40 PM
What the hell, it was a "flick?" You mean this isn't the matrix right now? Damn I've been having that feeling that I've been dreaming all along, and it ain't the mescaline I just consumed talking. In fact, the mescaline is the real red pill, only now after taking it can I begin to question "this matrix frequency." The irony of this holographic perceived illusion, oh yeah I love it because I choose to live it!
 dean_olicious
Joined: 3/4/2007
Msg: 31
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Posted: 6/10/2009 7:41:43 PM
We are living in the matrix...our mind are housed in a little box...we only 'get' what the world tells we should...
 Isobel135
Joined: 2/17/2009
Msg: 32
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Posted: 6/11/2009 3:02:33 AM
I watched it over and over and ignored the dialogue.
Mesmerized by Keanu Reeves and his moves. Wishing I could do those in real life.

I don't which is better the Matrix or Crouching Tiger.

I'll have to meditate on this some more

*double somersaults...suspends in mid air....triple flip outta forums*
 slybandit
Joined: 7/10/2006
Msg: 33
Was The Matrix Popular because people suspect it might be True?
Posted: 6/11/2009 2:54:03 PM
Gangster Kitten has it 100% accurate in stating that "The Matrix" was a rehash of many a dead philosopher.

But far older than Descartes, really. It's nothing other than Plato's Allegory of the Cave rewritten for different technology in a different era.

Plato had us all as prisoners chained in a cave, perceiving nothing but the interplay of a shadow show on the wall, believing it to be reality.

Now the Matrix does have internal references to a vast array of significant thinkers since then (Descartes, Kant, Nietzsche, Sartre, Baudrillard) as well as drawing on sources as diverse as science fiction and various Eastern schools of thought.

All brought to you by a ham actor who's closest connection to actual thought was bringing So-krates to the 20th century as Bill (or was it Ted, I forget). The worst casting since William Shatner was hired to play...well, to play anything, really.
 Davidartist
Joined: 3/20/2009
Msg: 34
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Posted: 6/12/2009 12:56:54 AM
So the point seems to indicate that the most brilliant philosophers, intillectuals, and great minds have predicted a matrix type scenario and allegorically, metaphorically, and fictionally have used such a premise to predict such a future.
Today it would seem easy to predict because we have the tools and technology to make sure the preomonition is a reality. These thinkers were most likely making reference to a reality which was possible within the human lexicon.

The very fact that we have the capacity to imagine such a reality, makes it easily possible to create it. Were beginning to do it right now. Look at simulation games, technology, Sim City, Spore, World of Warcraft, etc. We are beginning to create the very tools necessary to create a matrix. It isn't a matter of whether we should suspect a matrix reality, it is only a mater of time before we create it and fulfill the very thing we have been predicting all along.
 themadfiddler
Joined: 9/17/2008
Msg: 35
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Posted: 6/12/2009 6:18:25 PM
Dark City...years before the Matrix plagiarized it. Nuff said.
 Davidartist
Joined: 3/20/2009
Msg: 36
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Posted: 6/15/2009 11:03:50 AM
Video Drome, The Lawnmover Man, Total Recall, these off the batt provided the earliest ideas which the Matrix would borrow from. Movies which predated the trilogy.
 2hi-iq-4u
Joined: 5/29/2009
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Posted: 6/16/2009 1:02:33 PM
The Matrix is real, but you don't need a pill. All you have to do is join the Bar Association to find out how the other half lives. Good luck with that.

Of course, If the Shakespearians take over, you should drop your membership real quick: "Kill all the Lawyers"
 gingerosity
Joined: 12/10/2011
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Posted: 6/7/2014 6:24:36 AM

Why do we have to “earn” our existence, our survival?

We don't. Survival is optional.

Why are we denied free energy so that we may just live and enjoy life rather than have to slave in order to merely exist?

We aren't. Go outside and bask in the free energy of the sun. There you go, now put your feet up. Feel good? If you get hungry, try foraging in woodlands or bins. Enjoy!
 gingerosity
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Posted: 6/7/2014 8:24:14 AM

Survival is not an option but a natural human instinct.

Instincts are optional when made conscious. In this case, we choose not to override them.

Don’t we have a right to be here?

Our right to be here is as valid as anyone else's.

We do not have to go back to being cavemen or turn into jungle monkeys. We have the technology to have our modern conveniences and luxuries for free.

Well until 'free everything' shows up I'm going to go on working to feed myself. You don't have to if you don't want to.

They make laws to stop you from being free and make it illegal for you to forage, you need a license to hunt. What about the news stories of people getting fined for growing vegetables in their gardens? What about people being fined for taking food out of the bins? There are laws against vagrancy.

You can do whatever you want. The possible consequences will help guide your decision-making. But yes, I'd rather be jailed than pay a fine for growing a few vegies. I have been paying my fines for not voting though. Where you draw your lines between compliance, protest and revolt is up to you and your conscience.

No. The system does not allow freedom. We are slaves.

No. "The moment the slave resolves that he will no longer be a slave, his fetters fall. Freedom and slavery are mental states." - Gandhi
 AddHomonym
Joined: 12/26/2011
Msg: 40
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Posted: 6/7/2014 12:58:25 PM
I absolutely loved the original movie and considered it more philosophy than science-fiction. It was a brilliant story that obviously drew very heavily from various philosophies and religions, particularly Buddhism.

In fact, it was so good and so mesmerizing in its veiled complexity that I get the distinct impression the Wachowski brothers never wrote that script. I find it difficult to accept that the people who wrote the sequels are the same people that wrote the original movie. The sequels lacked all indications of anything thought-provoking or deep - they were standard action-movie fare. The writers didn't seem to have a clue about what the original movie had to say.
 funchesf
Joined: 6/27/2014
Msg: 41
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Posted: 10/25/2016 1:38:39 PM

Was it really just a great movie, or did it strike a chord? Could there be any truth to it?

anytime you enter into Rem Sleep you enter into The Matrix ...anyone that has awaken from a dream and swear that it was real has left The Matrix...or have they? ...

because which is real...the dream or the awakening ...and how would you know which is which if this was taking place since birth ...in the Movie the robots used this concept along with technology to keep people sleep and thus in control of them... that reality is only a representation of "Truth Absolute" is why anyone under the jurisdiction of the laws of physics is already stuck in The Matrix ...

TWO WAY TO TEST IF YOU'RE IN THE MATRIX (a simulated one)
1.have you been in an incident that you should have died
2.have you seen what appears to be pixelization

you are but the sum of your memories ...funches 3:16
Was The Matrix Popular because people suspect it might be True?
Posted: 10/26/2016 10:49:14 AM
This Matrix life isn't very good. The simulated people around me weren't done very well.
 JustinElle
Joined: 4/11/2015
Msg: 43
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Posted: 11/9/2016 6:15:08 PM
It depends on what we know, how real anything is. We are a species destroying the planet and from becoming almost extinct to soon 9 billion mouths to feed, stripping the planet of its resources and creating the biggest and fastest extinction program since the dinosaurs got wiped out.

But hold on it has taken a few billion years for our multi-cellular form to evolve, on this slowly decomposing rock floating in space going nowhere in particular. We thrive in the excrement of plants as well as consuming them. Thus we appear to be improbable, life is improbable in general, as this bubble called earth appears to be a one off as far as we know to date.

To exploit the human diaspora we created civilization or strict hierarchical structures to monitor and exploit the less aware on the economic food chain. It a game of masters and slave, where everyone appears to be answerable to someone else us a never ending ladder of seniority. We think we have choices, but even what we buy is somewhat of an illusion as a report in 2011 from the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich reported in ...www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354-500-revealed-the-capitalist-network-that-runs-the-world/
demonstrates the farce of choice the common people are led to believe. So corporate mergers are fortunately just cutting down the fat and exposing the illusion for what it is.

One thing about life that has always amused me is that it is all consuming or everything is consumed by other life forms, an we as individually support colonies of bacteria and fungi on and in our individual bodies. Humans are almost clones genetically speaking when compared to other species, as we all emerged from a group almost on the verge of extinction. We would and should be classed as the only prolific incestuous species withing this bubble in space. So life is temporary in sense, and inconsequential except for those that do not believe in their own magnificence and seek sanctuary for their secret and personal insecurities and doubts in fabricate ideologies dreamed up by what was once the ruling class, the snake oil salesmen of their time, the religious peddlers.

I consider myself living in a world of mindless zombies, that know little, are generally insecure, seek solace in anything they can, and equally identify in puerile wastes of time when not working in the master slave game, where you work to live a decent life through payment of coin. The debt slavery game has increased, got to keep the intelligentsia servile.

So in a sense the MAtrix only pointed out in a fictitious way what already exists, where false values create the mess we all regard as normal. This could never have been the case for most of human evolution otherwise we would not exist as we do today. We life in the age of the individual, the personality, the celebrity, the moronic icons the rabble require to aspire to. The more you see in others positive or negative the less you see in yourself, so let the mindless zombies slowly destroy themselves as the fight for the right to have this or that that makes them apparently be a developed individual.
 xlr8ingme
Joined: 11/2/2016
Msg: 44
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Posted: 11/10/2016 5:54:55 PM
I think the science fiction genre inspires creative dreaming promoting further exploration of our universe, and our selves.
Was The Matrix Popular because people suspect it might be True?
Posted: 11/10/2016 6:27:42 PM
"The men of action are, after all, only the unconscious instruments of the men of thought."

- Heinrich Heine
Was The Matrix Popular because people suspect it might be True?
Posted: 12/8/2016 1:35:05 AM
Try looking up, "Do We Really Exist?" by the BBC.
According to that video, the odds are billions to one, against us existing in physical bodies.
 JewelsnTools
Joined: 3/18/2011
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Posted: 2/2/2017 9:57:35 PM
Ooh...just saw this!
The Matrix DEFINITELY resonated with what my soul's been sort of 'sneaking up' on! I'd imagine it hit me the way Star Wars hit some folks.
Stargate, the movie, with that rock-jawed, buzz-cut-mansicle (hotflash) seemed more logical to me than some of the other stories of our origins I've found.
The 13th Floor, with Vincent D'onofrio (sp?) was another one.
Fallen, with Denzel Washington(yes, I'd give him ALL my jewels! lol), sort of explained why folks look surprised after they've done something they normally wouldn't.
The Cloud Atlas, with Halle Berry and Tom Hanks. That part where the fabricant, who was supposedly going to 'exultation,' but actually got unceremoniously strung up by her neck reminded me of organized religion.
Strangely, The Shawshank Redemption held a deeper kind of 'knowing' for me. The scene where the protagonist stands, triumphant, in the stream? Gets me every time! Have you ever felt like YOU'VE "crawled through an acre of sh!t (in life), and came out clean on the other side"?
OT-The Matrix--as glorious as that first one was--reinforced a wrong-headed idea, IMHO. There isn't only "one". We each have come bearing great and awesome giftings, and we're charged with discovering and expressing them...even if it's something as simple as feeding a hungry kid, or painting an old dude's room for him. Each of us, in our own respective lives, is "The One"--as hard as that is for some of us to accept.
Excellent post! I think I'll go dig it out and watch it again!
Jewels
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