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 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 112
The Teflon Man....Page 5 of 13    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13)

Good point. Let me get my checkbook.


I was talking about from the government, hun. If you gave me a check, it'd be kind of like prostitution.

Actually... that's kind of sexy.

Make it out to me... and on the "for" line, you should put, Epic Hawtness
 heterotic
Joined: 6/3/2008
Msg: 113
The Teflon Man....
Posted: 6/20/2009 3:53:14 PM


If you gave me a check, it'd be kind of like prostitution.


We're having sex?
 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 114
The Teflon Man....
Posted: 6/20/2009 3:56:42 PM
It's telepathy, baby.

Was last night good for you?




Forum Ninja has his l33t Ninja skillz.... but I, 8sf8 am psychic. We both fight crime.

It's why we get the chicks.
 heterotic
Joined: 6/3/2008
Msg: 115
The Teflon Man....
Posted: 6/20/2009 3:58:37 PM

Was last night good for you?


I don't remember. I think you slipped me a mental rohypnol.

1337 M 5|*34|X
 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 116
The Teflon Man....
Posted: 6/20/2009 4:00:27 PM
Ohhhhh... rape fantasies too?

You are a naughty, naughty girl.

I wonder if Vulcans know anything about the kinky mind meld?
 heterotic
Joined: 6/3/2008
Msg: 117
The Teflon Man....
Posted: 6/20/2009 4:04:20 PM


Ohhhhh... rape fantasies too?

You are a naughty, naughty girl.

I wonder if Vulcans know anything about the kinky mind meld?


Oh, Geeze.
 heterotic
Joined: 6/3/2008
Msg: 118
The Teflon Man....
Posted: 6/20/2009 4:05:18 PM


If Lizbeth is raising children who will be fine adults who contribute more than they drain from society, is that not what really matters?


This is the best statement from this entire thread. I hope Lizbeth reads it.
 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 119
The Teflon Man....
Posted: 6/20/2009 4:13:14 PM

This is the best statement from this entire thread. I hope Lizbeth reads it.


Do you honestly think that with her sense of entitlement, overall laziness, illogical rants, and prejudiced attitude ....

That any kids she raises who turn out well will be a result of her upbringing?

I kind of doubt it.
 hungry_joe
Joined: 6/24/2006
Msg: 120
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Posted: 6/20/2009 4:16:18 PM
According to you in another post you have $65/hr job. So lets do the math:
65*80 (bi-weekly billable hours) = 5,200 gross
5,200*26 (pay-periods in a year) = 135,200 Gross Net Income
That put you in second highest tax bracket of 33%
So your annual tax will be 44,616 before FICA
Depending on how you pay your taxes you will have a bi-weekly income of 2,288.
1716 Federal rate, 1196 FICA (business rate)
More then likely you file a 1099-G therefore we'd have calculate taxes either on quarterly, semi-annually, or annual rate.

However doing the math you'd pay 44,616 just in the doing the standard federal rate.
Your FICA would be 31,096
Total Tax owed to the feds 75,685
Leaving you with a Business Income of 59,515

And your for people sitting at home, to raise childern on your dime? Oh it would look to me that you're shorting the feds if all your numbers are not inflated.
 heterotic
Joined: 6/3/2008
Msg: 121
The Teflon Man....
Posted: 6/20/2009 4:29:37 PM
My current hourly rate is $65. It is variable, and wasn't as high last year. The paychecks I cut myself are not always the same. I deduct the taxes my accountant tells me to and at the end of the year I have a W-2 that I give him.

I also get bounced checks, non-payers and other similar situations.

I am not an accountant, self-proclaimed or otherwise. I'm not going to go over the numbers, because I don't know them.

I was audited last year, so I doubt my accountant is screwing me over. I don't really feel like grabbing my 2008 taxes to tell you what the exact numbers were.

My point is that I pay them, I should be able to use them.
 hungry_joe
Joined: 6/24/2006
Msg: 122
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Posted: 6/20/2009 4:42:55 PM
I let my accountant hide my money for me too. Of course those bounced checks could make up the difference. They are a business write-off. For your own benifit you should take a princples of accounting course. There are other things you can write off, like the deprication of your computer. If your place burned to the ground that can be a write off too. And so on. You probably have more then just the 2 deductions that you stated earlier.
 SweetnessInFlorida
Joined: 6/26/2008
Msg: 123
The Teflon Man....
Posted: 6/20/2009 6:39:31 PM
My opinion us going to be very unpopular, but im not running for homecoming queen of pof anyways so,,,,,,,,,,,
I do think in a childs early years they need a lot of maternal bonding time, and if the woman had to use some sort of aid to give her child the bonding and attention the child needs, im ok with that. I would rather see a single mother or father work one job and have to use some aid, than work 3 or 4 and never bond with the child.
And no im not on welfare, and no i am not defending Lizbeth just because we are both female, matter of fact Lizbeth cant stand me, but i think her spending time to bond with her child is the right thing to do.

Ok and about this whole milk debate, next time you're in a store pick up a can of Enfamil, it states on the can that it can never replicate mothers milk. And it cant. Visit their website. Call one of their nutritionists. Talk to your pediatrician rather than random sites on the web to actually educate yourself on the subject.
 hungry_joe
Joined: 6/24/2006
Msg: 124
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Posted: 6/20/2009 6:51:59 PM
Milk, men just don't have mamory glands. Fact of human ananomy. So, for me Enfamil was the best selection for my son at the time. I will reserve fire, on the bonding thing till I get my answers from Lizbeth. There is a 24 hour shelf life though. I will recommend that you see my suggestions above.
 Capitano_Blaugh
Joined: 3/18/2008
Msg: 125
The Teflon Man....
Posted: 6/20/2009 6:58:53 PM
I do think in a childs early years they need a lot of maternal bonding time, and if the woman had to use some sort of aid to give her child the bonding and attention the child needs, im ok with that. I would rather see a single mother or father work one job and have to use some aid, than work 3 or 4 and never bond with the child.


Ok, just to clarify something since you reminded me about how disappointing it was that yesterday evening, we went from a nice heated debate to all the little ladies talking about their boobs and the milk that would or wouldn't issue forth...

... I, nor any many here, I'm sure, would argue that a mother or father staying home with a kid for the first few years of its life is THE best option.

Where I, and some other guys, I'm thinking, have a problem is when kids get a bit older and the SAME, lame-ass, excuse is used to deflect and deny what is really going on...

... which is, that many women use their Teflon Deflector Shields to justify and excuse their choices. Often, one of the choices they make is to remain underemployed or unemployed.

When a kid gets to be school-age, there is NO REASON for any parent to stay home or refuse to work full-time.


 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 126
The Teflon Man....
Posted: 6/20/2009 7:06:37 PM
::A ninja appears in them midst of the posters... doing epic flips and landing lightly, on the tips of his feet. He barely makes a sound::

Ninja say:

Boobs are not just for babies,

but for ninja!

Magical nipple powers can increase a ninja's skill and the strength of his weapons!

Secret Chesticle Dart Attack!

See? That was an ancient ninja move developed by a ninja who had no weapons but for nails and his harem. Brilliant, deadly, and sexy.

That is all.

::ninja vanish!::
 Capitano_Blaugh
Joined: 3/18/2008
Msg: 127
The Teflon Man....
Posted: 6/20/2009 7:37:05 PM
When a kid gets to be school-age, there is NO REASON for any parent to stay home or refuse to work full-time.


There can be plenty of reasons for which any parent would want to stay home (or work from home) or would rather work part time than full time...


YOU get this evening's Teflon Deflector Shield Award......

Pay attention, man.

 hungry_joe
Joined: 6/24/2006
Msg: 128
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The Teflon Man....
Posted: 6/20/2009 7:42:40 PM
Ironic I left another thread where ladyGodiva stated how foolish ConciousSoul was. Did with great detail too. Man, if I keep reading these threads I will be able to apply for a job in the Canidian welfare system......

Future Shock there should have been a coma between married and or financial secure. I understand your agruement. Well at least I think I do. lol.
 SweetnessInFlorida
Joined: 6/26/2008
Msg: 129
The Teflon Man....
Posted: 6/20/2009 7:44:13 PM
I agree Capitano.
 heterotic
Joined: 6/3/2008
Msg: 130
The Teflon Man....
Posted: 6/20/2009 7:47:10 PM



Ok and about this whole milk debate, next time you're in a store pick up a can of Enfamil, it states on the can that it can never replicate mothers milk. And it cant. Visit their website. Call one of their nutritionists. Talk to your pediatrician rather than random sites on the web to actually educate yourself on the subject.


Saying it's not a necessity is hardly the same as saying that formula is an exact replica.

I couldn't breastfeed my child, the milk I produced was too dense. Does that mean my child should starve to death? Even in times when there was no formula they had nurse maids. Babies got fed, even if the mother couldn't be the one to do it.
 hungry_joe
Joined: 6/24/2006
Msg: 131
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Posted: 6/20/2009 9:06:37 PM
Vote no Confidence, and get yourself a more reasoniable government.

I guess I dislike a the Entitlement attitude. That I deserve to have this or that, no one deserves anything. Each person has the right to try and make the best life he or she can to their ablity. Lizbeth IMO is not doing that, therefore, wasting her God given freedom that she enjoys.
 hungry_joe
Joined: 6/24/2006
Msg: 132
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The Teflon Man....
Posted: 6/20/2009 9:22:28 PM
dumbfounded by itsallinthesoul.
 babydoll127
Joined: 6/9/2009
Msg: 133
The Teflon Man....
Posted: 6/20/2009 11:05:00 PM
sheesh, I should live in Canada so I can gets me some welfare! I got "dumped" by my ex when my baby was 7 months old and HAD to go back to work as well as continue school I was already enrolled in.. Welfare here in the states doesnt allow you to work and collect moolah. Once you make over 500/month you dont qualify for TANF.

So yea, my poor baby HAD to go to daycare and I HAD to work. He got ear infection after ear infection as well as the cough/cold and flu regularly. Ah good ol daycare right?? I WISH I could of had it like I used to when my ex was around. I WISH I could of stayed home and nurtured, breastfed, and guided him while taking night classes 2 times a week. BUT YOU DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO and fortunately he's a very smart little 3 year old who is well adjusted and has impeccable social skills.. Not that I'm bragging or anything......
 hungry_joe
Joined: 6/24/2006
Msg: 134
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The Teflon Man....
Posted: 6/21/2009 8:36:07 AM
Some of us, that speak of Lizbeth are not attacking the person, just her views and ideas. Which are fair game. My views and ideas are fair game to be critized also. As for Lizbeth as a person, I don't know her to like or dislike her. I may disagree with her opinions, and she mine but that debate is about. Nothing personal.
 Capitano_Blaugh
Joined: 3/18/2008
Msg: 135
The Teflon Man....
Posted: 6/21/2009 2:39:56 PM

I wasn't going to start naming names and pointing out to those that are deflecting and/or attacking her (calling her crazy, man-hater, etc....), I figure people should be able to figure out for themselves based on their own behaviour but alas, I realize those that can't....well.....they are entitled to be rude and offensive to bait someone into defending themselves...........


It's ok if you name me. I really don't mind or care.

Respect is earned, not granted. When lizzie comes here and starts posting in a way the deserves respect, I'll be the first to feel respect for her and I'll happily say as much....

... until then, she will get the same respect she shows to men, which is damned close to zero.

Happy Fathers Day!

 Tealwood
Joined: 12/16/2008
Msg: 136
The Teflon Man....
Posted: 6/21/2009 5:35:23 PM

Is this thread offensive to men? I can see that it would be offensive to men because

A) It was started by a women to address something that bothered her about some men.
and
B) It started off by labelling some men irresponsible for their actions. Obviously if someone agrees that a man is not responsible for creating a child with a woman, they would feel that labelling a man that is like them "the teflon man" is insulting.


It was also started by a poster a woman who has regularly been critical of men and NEVER critical of woman in situations that are perhaps not difficult to determine. I am sure more than a few posters remember her total or complete inability to accept that some woman practise...or i have always suggested custodial parents practise emotional damage on their children which is labeled and accepted as PAS. No matter what was posted...she diminishes as bogus science or simple rhetoric brought about by mens groups. For Lizzie ist was always men who need to change or get along better with the poor custodial mother.

So the stripe or odour of the poster is perhaps well understood by more than a few of the posters.

But when one stands up and suggests that the teflon man who ignores the or avoids the responsibility of their actions.....and we read about working part time...using the social welfare system to support that choice...

Liz suggests being accountable
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/8800325datingPostpage3.aspx

man gets pregnant in a situation where there is some type of relationship with the father...whether it was planned or not...he IS obligated to step up to the plate...choices....we all have them...and at some point everyone needs to accountable for the ones we make.....


And I think others suggest she is also required to step up to the plate rather than relying on the government social safety net?


semantics...apples and oranges....chickens, eggs, or benjamins...same thing right?...a form of currency? ...the only reason todays law enforces responsibility by the way of currency, is because some people don't understand how the choices they make sometimes come with consequences and obligations....no matter what the intention was.
*I will say...that I don't think a sperm donor should be held finacially responsible....but who donates sperm and leaves a forwarding address?.....duh?!


But perhaps if we look for long enough we may find a post where she suggest woman also are required to be finacially responsible and work for what they require? Obligations and responsibilities does not include working part time when it one is paying child support but Lizzie suggest it is fine when she is receiving it?


She also wrote

occurred to anyone who supports the OP's opinion that without child support laws, you can count on the finacial burden to the taxpayors multiplying 100,000 times more what it is now.
History has proven the "honour" system of NCP taking responsibility for paying child support to raise children after there is a split hasn't worked.
Perhaps that is why the government created laws that enforced parents to take finacial responsibility for the children they helped bring into this world?..crazy thought..I know..


So here we have a great post about why cs laws are required to insure the ncp is finacial responsible.....and she then goes on to suggest the government created laws that enforced parents be finacial responsible for the children they helped bring into this world............

...and crazy thought...when i suggest that same sentiment be used on both the custodial parent and the non custodial parent.....

And we go back to the Census report of custodial fathers working full time to custodial mothers working full time...

Responsible parents and less than responsible parents...or should I say part-time responsible parents?

And now she has a 4yr old.....and she no doubt will still work part time..citing "best interest of the child" yet!!!!


recommends Ontario blend kindergarten, daycare
Tim Shufelt, Canwest News Service
Published: Monday, June 15, 2009


OTTAWA -- Ontario is moving one step closer to full-day kindergarten after a much-anticipated report recommended sweeping multibillion-dollar changes to daycare and early education in the province.

Under the proposed framework, parents of four- and five-year-olds would have the option of enrolling their children in full-day programs that blend learning and daycare.

"Advocates have long recognized that ‘good child care educates' and ‘good education cares.' It's time to erase the divide," said the report, authored by Charles Pascal, an expert in early childhood learning and a former deputy minister of education.

Mr. Pascal was commissioned by Premier Dalton McGuinty in 2007 to advise on how best to offer full-day learning to roughly 227,000 children in the province. Mr. McGuinty first promised the program in the 2003 provincial election.

While parents have long complained about the lack of daycare options in Ontario, and Canada has long been recognized for spending relatively little on early childhood education, full-day kindergarten has become a heated issue in recent years.

Critics say a full day in school is too much for young children and sets the stage for putting pupils under too much pressure in the early years.

According to research included in the report, however, full-day preschool better prepares children for the rigours of grade school.

"Children attending full-day programs had better academic performance and social success as they entered Grade 1 than children who attended half-day programs," Mr. Pascal wrote.


Now we do have Concioussoul who has given a dissenting view on being financial responsible versus acceptable use of welfare.... But the report was written Concioussoul by a Dr. Pascal....as opposed to a BA and additional studies in "Lifespan growth" which may be for your masters?


Couldnt agree more on this, Lizbeth.
Children need a dedicated, loving primary care giver, and as far as I am concerned, I applaud your initiative and your choice and the courage it takes to decide to work less and make the ends meet using all tools you can find at your disposition so that your children can have a loving mother most of the time around them

I am sure the readers will gather how important these research findings are, and why I am insisting on these forums that a single mother should rather be with their kids and be on welfare than work and not be with them.


So a BA suggest this is good and Dr. Charles Pascal suggest full time preschool is a benefit. I think i might lean a little more to the Doctorate as having a little more " professional efficiency"


an... you certainly seem to dislike men.

I only dislike macho, entitled, caveman :-) I find it very sad that the acts of a few of these men destroys the reputation of all of the male gender as respectful human beings willing to sit down and communicate and be empathic and compassionate like any human being. The neanderthal man is way past.



And for someone who has never had kids, you sure seem to think you know alot about it.
That's what happen when you study it in a university program to become professionally efficient in a given field.


Now Conscious soul I would not being calling you names or questioning you manliness.
After all you came out swinging with sarcasm and hostility and calling into question their integrity or evolutionary status. The cave man arguments was interesting. But one perhaps only needs to understand or look at your place of study to understand perhaps your female orientated philosophy that is part of the Concordia culture. I might suggest that Conscious soul is another poster who frequently is quick to blame or find fault on the part of men and never uses the same tone or philosophy when looking at men. But I know the orientation well as most of the family or extended family is from the academic field....but they went to McGill..something i was unable to do as I did not have the high grade average required....something like 89% today I believe......but there are other universities that one can get into...ones not so selective...like Concordia?
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