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 agoodman32
Joined: 6/26/2011
Msg: 40
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1723.
And the vast majority of Americans are utterly ignorant of the truth about slavery, slaves, and the origin of slavery.
"Convicts", convicted thieves and such, were the first slaves to set foot on American soil, mostly white Irish, and were transported to America under the 1723 Waltham Act. They numbered aprox. 100,000.
Hundreds of thousands of white slaves were slaves in this country from the early l7th century onward.

Many people I talk to are shocked as hell to learn that up to one-half of all the arrivals in the American colonies were whites slaves and they were America's first slaves. These Whites were slaves for life, long before blacks ever were. Their slavery was even hereditary, white children born to white slaves were enslaved too.
Whites were auctioned on the block with children sold and separated from their parents and wives sold and separated from their husbands long before blacks were.

There were white slaves in America, but they were, by law, treated differently than "colored" (that is, Native American or African) slaves. And, this is different in scope, range, and effect from the institution of chattel slavery as enacted on the African people. While individual white people may have been enslaved, the color of their skin did not mark them as "slaves" as it did the black African people.

So yes, it happened. Is it as bad as what happened to the African people who were brought here as slaves-- No.
 GolfCoast
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 41
Slavery on American soil
Posted: 7/3/2011 9:39:30 AM
"Blacks were not enslaved because they were black but because they were available. Slavery has existed in the world for thousands of years. Whites enslaved other whites in Europe for centuries before the first black was brought to the Western hemisphere. Asians enslaved Europeans. Asians enslaved other Asians. Africans enslaved other Africans, and indeed even today in North Africa, blacks continue to enslave blacks."—Thomas Sowell

The USA was the first country to initiate laws to end slavery and the second to succeed (Britain was first). The only remaining question is "why does this issue continue to tear us apart? As with most things I'd suggest one follow the money. I don't begrudge a few poverty pimps with no discernable skills making a few bucks but the cost to the people and the people's minds it has crippled is a most horrific price for these few dollars. Should we ever outgrow this societal self-flagellation historians will be bewildered.
 agoodman32
Joined: 6/26/2011
Msg: 42
Slavery on American soil
Posted: 7/4/2011 2:53:42 PM
Because JUST because Thomas Sowell is 'black' and agrees with your line of thinking, doesn't make it more valid. I'm amazed at how people like you will quote someone like Bill Cosby, Tom Sowell, Ward Connerly, John McWhorter, etc. when its convenient to be dismissive of the other side, but ignore Michael Eric Dyson, Harry Edwards, and others who just HAPPEN to be non-Conservative. Poverty pimps lie on both sides of the aisle...since you want to use that corrosive term to describe someone that tries to be a voice for the disenfranchised. I actually find that last sentence ironic because it was Northern Africans...you know, Tunisians, Egyptians, etc...the same ones that conservatives claim aren't black because civilization began there who did the majority of enslaving in Africa. Yet, they are de facto black to make your point here. Interesting.

To address your question...it tears us apart because America historically claims to be one thing while doing another altogether. When people say, "well, America isn't the only country to have slavery"...well true. But Cambodia never claimed to be the bastion of modern democracy and equality. America did. Indonesia didn't go around saying "we hold these truths to be self-evident...all men are created equal". America did. Modern politics pits race against race under the hollow guise of blaming one for another's misfortune. That's what the GOP does. Because they can't actually benefit anyone that isn't in the Fortune 500, its leaders keep THEIR base occupied with idiotic issues like gay marriage, Affirmative Action (which btw, helps more white women than any minority COMBINED...but I guess women should know their place), etc. while not actually addressing the problems of the majority. Yet, blacks are labeled racist because they voted en masse for Obama. Heh...as if you know, a legitimate black candidate for the first time in this country's 232 year history had NOTHING to do with it. SMH.
 GolfCoast
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 43
Slavery on American soil
Posted: 7/4/2011 3:48:52 PM
Sowell is perhaps the finest chronicler of American success stories. I would suggest you read "Ethnic America" to learn why American blacks are the only group that has continually and chronically been unable to improve it's financial position (it is all about positioning relative to other groups because in an absolute sense blacks do well compared to blacks throughout the world).

One has to tie oneself in a complete pretzel to believe, I mean really believe what you wrote. In this case I am not going to insult you by believing that you believe what you wrote.
 dudranch1
Joined: 9/29/2005
Msg: 44
Slavery on American soil
Posted: 2/5/2012 12:02:52 PM
Actually, those that work for minimum wage are lucky. We have a segment of our population that does not get paid for thier work and if they don't show up for work the Sherrif is sent out to drag them in to work. In fact, the sherrif will arrest thier family too.
Now think about it what are students in our school system but slaves. Have you ever wondered why kids do not want to go to school. It is a system that can't compete in todays world.
If we put the same type of system into a business setting can you imagine how much work we would get from employees that are forced to go to work, can't be fired and aren't able to earn anything that THEY value.
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
Msg: 45
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Slavery on American soil
Posted: 2/5/2012 2:32:38 PM

can't be fired and aren't able to earn anything that THEY value.


Oh, I see. So we should ask little 8-year-old Johnny and Jenny what, if anything, THEY value that they might learn in school. And we should never try to make them learn anything else, because requiring them to study, even a few hours a day, might make them feel all icky--to say nothing of inflicting permanent psychological trauma on them. And for what? After all, doesn't any child just naturally know what will best prepare it to "compete in today's world?"?
 dad2stay
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 46
Slavery on American soil
Posted: 2/6/2012 7:13:48 AM
The interesting part is that most slave traders at that time were rival tribes in Africa as a matter of fact slavery was being practiced in that part of the world for ages before Americans came into the picture
 BigEddd
Joined: 9/9/2011
Msg: 47
Slavery on American soil
Posted: 2/8/2012 11:03:48 PM
Don't forget the Irish slaves that were brought over by the British during the 1600's...and no I'm not talking about indentured servants.
 miltplum
Joined: 2/11/2012
Msg: 49
Slavery on American soil
Posted: 2/26/2012 3:58:49 PM
You failed to mention that nearly all of the people coming into this country were indentured servants, not just blacks. In fact, indentured servants often faced harsher lives. Irish were used for projects deemed too dangerous for slaves, because slaves were worth more than Irishmen.
Also....in terms of numbers, the USA actually got a very small percentage of the African slaves, as the greater number were sent to Brazil, the West Indies, etc.
 part deux
Joined: 11/11/2008
Msg: 50
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Slavery on American Soil - Unfortunately still exists
Posted: 3/9/2012 5:40:36 PM
Sexual slavery is common in most of the developed world, many of the women are from Eastern Europe and Asia.
 CraZyOldMan
Joined: 12/15/2011
Msg: 51
Slavery on American soil
Posted: 3/14/2012 8:06:41 PM
I'm sure slavery started even before it was officially recorded..probably in someone's household
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