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 Super Ryan
Joined: 9/15/2007
Msg: 19
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My message #8 was an almost word for word PARODY of message #3

I was well aware of your attempt at parody. It doesn't change the fact that it was ignorant a many levels.

To start with, the amount of emoticons is annoying. Also the amount of full words capitalized is considered a forum violation. Words in full capital are considered shouting.


Actually India has about 27 million christians.

Other than the fact that MILLIONS of Christians went to India before you ever HEARD OF THE PLACE lady and built schools orphanages and institutions that LITERALLY formed the foundation for the EMERGENT country India has become today.

Are you even aware that India was part of the British Empire.

But you missed what the OP was talking about.
Indy was short for independant film. Films from India are usually called Bollywood or Hindi.

What we now routinely accept as LIBERAL is what in the 40s was known as Fascism.

I know this was a parody of msg 3, but do you even know what fascism means?

if it means breaking 200 YEAR BANKRUPTCY LAW - See Chrysler BK

What law would that be?

utterly DISCREDITED Roe v Wade

If it is so utterly discredited, why are abortions still legal in America.

If you are talking bout how a few people changed their minds after the case, you clearly do not understand how the Supreme Court works.

UTTERLY ANTIQUATED Social Security Entitlement

And you would prefer to have old widows die in the street?

Or let me guess, you think people should be able to invest their own money.
That is not the point of SS, it is a safety net for people who were unable to save for their later years.

And SS can be managed properly. Canada has a very successful government pension plan.

liberals these days CLING to the past

It seems to me, that it is the liberals in America who look to the future.

I mean like how many times has Michelle Obama been compared to Jackie Kennedy a figure from FIFTY years ago.

Maybe because Jackie O was an important First Lady. In fact I believe pretty much every First Lady since Jackie has been compared to Jackie. Nancy Reagan is also very popular for comparisson.

But we always compare current leaders with those from the past.

And I'm willing to bet that the 70 LIBERALS you have aren't exactly the SHARPEST KNIVES in the drawer.

Again this was meant as parody of msg 3.

But where msg 3 was talking about how people who are willing to expand their horizons are rarely heavy church promoters.
But what you wrote was an insult with no basis in fact.

the historic fact that Bill Clinton leaving our security system in SHAMBLES when Bush took off

Clinton warned Bush specifically that Bin Laden was up to something.
Bush recieved several memos the week before 9/11 that AlQueda was getting ready to attack.
Bush spent the better part of his first 8 months in office, on vacation.

It was Bush's decision to allow all Bin Laden family members and all Saudi royalty in America to leave America on a private jet after 9/11, without being questioned, and the rest of the country was banned from flying.

It was also the Bush White House that decided chasing the 9/11 funding was of no importance.

PS Another OPEN MINDED liberal gets PUNK'd! by

You say "open minded" like it's an insult. I am proud to be open minded, but I do not consider myself a liberal.

But who got Punk'd?

And I do apologize for calling the poster female. The shading in the small grainy picture made him look slightly female.
 Super Ryan
Joined: 9/15/2007
Msg: 20
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Posted: 7/4/2009 10:11:28 PM

Asking a conservative to think is often like asking a rock to float.

asking a liberal to think is far more often like asking a rock to float.

Pumice is a type of volcanic rock that sometimes floats.
Joined: 6/18/2009
Msg: 21
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Posted: 7/4/2009 10:32:43 PM
===But you missed what the OP was talking about.
Indy was short for independant film. Films from India are usually called Bollywood or Hindi.===

Sir, the comment referencing INDIA was addressing the author of post #2 and had nothing to do w/ EITHER Indy films or Bollywood.

Joined: 1/9/2007
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Posted: 7/5/2009 12:21:57 AM

Other than the fact that MILLIONS of Christians went to India before you ever HEARD OF THE PLACE lady and built schools orphanages and institutions that LITERALLY formed the foundation for the EMERGENT country India has become today.

Millions of Christians huh ? Source please ? Actually, this entire paragraph has absolutely no relevance to my stating my desire to visit India and the fact that people I have told this to cannot imagine why I, or anyone else, would want to visit there. Red Herring fallacy - look it up.

INDIA NOW HAS ABOUT 100 MILLION Christians. I guess, by applying your crackerjack logic, they have no interest in going to America, either!

You may have noticed that another poster has brought it to your attention that India currently has nowhere near 100 million Christians. Not even close. Not even close to close. As to your next statement, you are attacking a position of your own creation while trying to imply that it is mine. Tsk tsk. Straw Man fallacy - look it up.

Good God! You BIGOTS are sooooooo Fn'g Stupid!!!!!

Ad Hominem fallacy - look it up.

Don't feel bad - there is a learning curve as one becomes more proficient in constructing logical arguments but it is a worthwhile endeavour. The liberal use of logical fallacies and glaringly obvious lack of comprehension will speedily identify a poster whose arguments are critically anemic.
Joined: 6/18/2009
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Posted: 7/5/2009 5:52:31 AM
Dear Rainsands,

It's obvious how PROUD you are of that C- you got in Logical Fallacies 101 at your local COMMUNITY COLLEGE but, in light of this CRACKERJACK post, I'm kindly asking you to send me your prof's name and cell. He'll probably want to reconsider.

Your ENTIRE post was one barely veiled CHEAP shot about the INCURIOUSITY of Conservatives and by extension Christians. Now that's NOVEL.

You clearly have NO idea what a red herring even is if you think there's no connection between your HATEFUL insult about those 'conservatives' who wonder why you'd even 'want to go to India' and the fact that so many have ALREADY gone.

Make that a D.<img src= border=0>

I'm sorry that you can't see the OBVIOUS logical extension in my following argument. It IS a little subtle, but to incredulously mislabel it a 'Straw Man' is beyond laughable.

Make that a D-.<img src= border=0>

Finally, you claim that calling you a bigot is an "Ad Hominem fallacy." Excusing the awkward phrasing, you might have a point.

But, like they say...if the WHITE SHEET FITS....wear it.

Make that an F.<img src= border=0><img src= border=0><img src= border=0>

Game. Set. Match.

PS A helpful suggestion going forward: Liberals should NEVER try to debate Conservatives in matters of logic or thinking rationally. It's not even a fair fight for you guys. Try sticking with genres you're more comfortable in. You know, like the fiction found in foreign films...
Joined: 4/19/2007
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Posted: 7/5/2009 1:02:16 PM

We've seen foreign movies on the rise of Genghis Khan, a widower who visit's Japan because he wife who always yearned to go died before she had the chance, one about a German, accordion/polka-playing Mine worker with lung cancer who travels take him to the backwaters of Louisiana after 'discovering' zydeco music.

Why are all of you RANTING?
Because HOLLYWOOD used many films as soapboxes to promote political agendas, especially films centering around courtroom battles. People often now associate films as methods to promote their agendas, not just as methods of entertainment, or of seeing another side of life.

So arguing about films often becomes arguing about political agendas.
Joined: 6/18/2009
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Posted: 7/5/2009 1:15:41 PM
It's worth noting that Mr "Why are you all Ranting?"
Seemed PERFECTLY happy when it was just LIBERALS ripping on Conservatives & Christians.

I refer you to MrSeattle's post NUMBER 6 where he says ===Thanks for all your great replies so far.==

This was AFTER two posters posted the most POISONOUS VENOMOUS things about Christians and conservatives.

I guess MrSeattle is only upset when NON liberals fight back.

Remember, It was ONLY THEN that he posted ==I'm utterly amazed by the vitriol here.==


Can you say BUSTED???

It'll be interesting to see how he tries to explain this one. I know he will!
Why did you call post #2 and #3 GREAT replies??? There were only 6. And post #5 PRAISED both posts #2 & #3.

The record speaks for itself. And don't tell us you didn't read them.
 Super Ryan
Joined: 9/15/2007
Msg: 27
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Posted: 7/5/2009 1:57:40 PM

This was AFTER two posters posted the most POISONOUS VENOMOUS things about Christians and conservatives.

Wow, that's a stretch from what was said in msg 2 and 3.
Let's look at msg 2, 3 is a bit worse but nowhere near poisonous venom.

It may be that Republicans and Christians appear to be more attached to traditions. In a number of these families, it seems that adult children vote the way their parents have voted and will continue their participation in the faith or denomination that they were raised in.

Most christians and republicans are attached to tradition. And it is true that republicans do vote with their families.
And even if it is not 100% true, it's not really an insult.

Both Republicans and Christians are often painted as conservative and dogmatic in their outlook on life, loathe to rock the boat too much.

Maybe loathe was a bit strong of a word. But this is mostly the same as the quote above.

Pretty much all the Christians that I personally know have never tasted a mutton curry, have never read anything penned by a southeast Asian author and are simply not interested in viewing foreign films.

Do you know the people she is talking about?
This might be 100% true.
It is slightly insulting that these people have never opened up thier horizons, it is a far cry from poisonous venom.

Whenever I have mentioned that I should like to visit India some day, I am inevitably asked "Why would anyone want to go there???" When asked what I've been reading lately and I reply that I've just finished yet another book about the Partition of India, the eyes glaze over.

So again talking about people she knows.
I don't see people's disinterest in India as a real insult.

I also find that Americans and Canadians who have had the opportunity to travel overseas have their eyes opened to entirely different mindsets and ways of living.

If anything this is a compliment to Canadians and Americans who travel.

My mother had been to Thailand and Singapore about 6 years before I was sent there on business. Though an eloquent woman, she tried to describe her experiences there but always closed with "It truly cannot be adequately described, you absolutely have to experience it." After only the first few days I was there, I knew exactly what she meant.

Makes sense to me.

These are just some of my thoughts on the matter. I am not attempting to perpetuate any kind of stereotypes whatsoever but I do find Republicans and Christians to be more content in the safe cocoon of familiarity.

I feel there is some truth to this statement. But it is not in any way poisonous venom.

By the way, I know you haven't asked but I do know why such a low percentage of men attend foreign/indie films ~ they simply hate reading subtitles, lol.....

This is a joke at the expense of men. And really not that insulting.

So there is msg 2, not really anything that could be considered slander or anthing that somebody should be upset about.

I guess MrSeattle is only upset when NON liberals fight back.
Remember, It was ONLY THEN that he posted

You are missing the point of this thread. The OP wants to know why right wingers don't attend his film group.
The left wingers on this thread tried to come up with reasons why it is true. None of the responses were extremely negative to righties, but it is human nature for people to view difference as insuperior, so that is what the left wingers did.

Now the best thing for a right winger to add to the discussion would be, why they don't go to foreign films, but instead you made it a who is better left or right argument.

Why not just tell us why you have no interest in foreign films.
Joined: 3/2/2009
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Posted: 7/5/2009 4:53:08 PM

No-one gives subtitles for an English speaker with a thick Louisiana accent. If you don't understand the accent, you're stuffed.

You want to know the truely sad thing about this country (USA) scorpiomover?

The sad thing is that they actually HAVE started putting subtitles under people who speak English with an accent. It's somewhat common when the person speaking is either from the South or African American, and I have seen it as being increasingly common with those who are Asian American and some Arab Americans, even when their English is crisp and perfectly understandable.

I'm not certain if it is because there are some people out there in higher positions who's spoken English is so bad that they actually can't understand their fellow Americans, or whether it is done to deliberately humiliate these groups.

It's probably a combination of both. But what I feel it does is humiliate we as a nation as a whole in the eyes of the rest of the world.

Sorry to be disipointin' y'all o're theigh in that big ferndly is'lnd of Engalend.
...."Sorry to dissapoint all of you over there on that big friendly island of England."
Joined: 3/2/2009
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Posted: 7/5/2009 4:55:15 PM
Oh, and to whomever put up the post about Christians building schools in India.


F- your schools.
Joined: 2/12/2009
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Posted: 7/5/2009 5:52:20 PM
While I am Christian and a Conservative, I do watch indie films from time to time, be they domestic or foreign, but you would never get me to go with a film group. Too many indie films I have watched are very thin veils for propaganda or they are boring. Why would I waste my time going with a film group when I can rent it and if I don't like it, I can turn it off and pick up a good book to read.
I think I may have hit the mail on the head, for the most conservatives are individualistic while liberals have more of the Herd mentality.
Having said that, give me a Pans Labyrinth or a Boondocks Saints and I am all charged up.
 Celtic Wolf
Joined: 6/15/2009
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Posted: 7/5/2009 8:34:42 PM
One of my favorite all time films was a foreign film. It is dubbed into English but I like the German version better, subtitles and all.

I think the vitriol in here is fairly normal for Seattle. As a mostly conservative Blogger, I am constantly presented these kind of stereotypes and attacks. I don't even bother being offended any more.

However I have more then enough evidence of similar attacks on liberals from conservatives where they are in the majority.

In answer to the OP's question, I think it is a question you will never answer, any more than you can answer why so many more women are joining than men. But frankly, I would expect there top be some disparity as Seattle is a fairly liberal environment and a lot of those other demographics also follow similar trends in liberals.

Foreign films are just an acquired taste, that is really the bottom line. They don't get the advertising and exposure that mainstream films do. Maybe that's the answer: Concservatives watch more tv.

All you can really do is continue to cast about for people and hope the people find you.

They are there, I know many conservatives who love indy films.

PM me more info on the group, I may want to give it a whirl.

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Posted: 7/6/2009 1:08:36 AM

for the most conservatives are individualistic while liberals have more of the Herd mentality.

this may be true actually--most of my conservative friends generally like small groups of get-togethers where my more liberal friends like bigger parties. who knows. interesting theory!

Now of course there are social liberals who are economic conservatives...that would be the camp I'd be in for the most part. To lump all conservatives or liberals for that matter together is folly. It's just not that simple.

there are tons of groups/labels: liberal, classical liberal, neo liberalism, libertarian, conservative, neo conservative, etc ... generally i'm not too happy with the modern neoconservative movement with its aggressive foreign stances and its seemingly lackadaisical concern about domestic freedoms.
Joined: 6/28/2009
Msg: 36
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Posted: 7/6/2009 8:42:16 AM
Why would the political views of people that enjoy the same films as you matter,OP?
You all enjoy a common interest.
Why look more deeply into it than that?
Joined: 8/29/2006
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Posted: 7/6/2009 10:54:27 AM
Gee, if I were a Republican or conservative, I certainly would not want to hang out with people that hate me and are so comfortable with their hate they can't even see it for what it is.

Perhaps the most well like facist was Hitler, a vegetarian, artist, and environmental champion who favored the socialist ideals of his national socialist party. To brand American conservatives as facist, as has been done in this thread, demonstrates an attachment to labels instead of policy ideals. The idolization of Obama parallels the rise of facists more than any conservative ever has. Today's American conservatives were the liberals of the past for wanting to break from British rule and end slavery. Now they do not wish to change that which their ideals built therefor the term conservative. Liberal describes those who want change such as abandoning the free market in favor of government planning. The reason modern liberals tend to like foreign films is their fear of having to face life on their own and that is what is represented by our domestic culture and its often flag waving films. They would much prefer the nanny state to take care of them. The indi films tend to reinforce their hate with hyped stories of some victims of capitolist democracy.

Is that enough talking points for the latte sipping foreign film crowd?
Joined: 6/18/2009
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Posted: 7/6/2009 1:35:45 PM
EXACTLY!!! AhoyThere is spot on!

Joined: 6/18/2009
Msg: 40
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Posted: 7/7/2009 5:38:32 AM
My guess is that the OP was being disingenuous.

I could be wrong but here's why I am asserting this-

1) Why ask people in here? There's at best a 50:50 mix of cons:liberals, if that.
If he were sincere, he would go to CrossTalk or some site like that.

2) He was in fact caught RED HANDED praising the comments which included the most VICIOUS things being said about conseravatives but then seems shocked ...shocked I tell you! that someone would dare to fight back.

3) It is a COMMON MEME amongst liberals that conservatives are INCURIOUS people. In fact, they FREQUENTLY cite the lack of CONSERVATIVE interest in foreign/bollywood films as PROOF of this "close-mindedness." The question posed was about as sincere as a republican asking why his PRO LIFE GROUP only gets 1 or 2 democrats for every 20 republicans!

4) He's obviously a liberal himself as is evidenced by his refusal to acknowledge what side of the political spectrum he's on but instead PRETENDING to be this neutral dispassionate observer.

Want proof?

Excuse me, Mr. OP...

To the question of political affiliation I answer:


What say you?

Joined: 6/18/2009
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Posted: 7/7/2009 1:27:20 PM
==It was a successful ploy==

You mean it WAS a successful ploy.




He gave himself away with that FAUX outrage over 'rants' just hours after he had PRAISED the EXACT same comments from liberals.

The proffered 'explanation' was UTTERLY unconvincing...
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Posted: 7/9/2009 7:36:34 PM
i belong to an indie film group and also host monthlies via meetup dot com. you might want to check out meetup first for indie films and then compare demographics by area. my group is in santa cruz county, ca --so already it tends towards liberal. here, i would venture that many of the larger christian churches have way more family outings and events that would preclude the need to join meetups and the like.

my indie film group varies as to the male to female ratio, although it appears that a good number of the total group are single. our primary organizer is a younger woman in her 30's-- so, that also affects the demographics. the last meetup at my house, i was concerned that not enough women were coming, but reminded myself that although mostly single, the group was not a singles group--rather a movie group. there is, however, a lot of crossover between singles, hiking, theater and indie film meetup groups.

other times, the balance has changed in terms of male or female attendance, but not that i can attribute any one variable. i think there is a difference as to where you show the movies. when shown at someone's home, the attendees tend to look over who is coming, in that there is also a social component. i also find that many people prefer home movies because they are cheaper and many single men, in general, like the home milieu in terms of "comfort".

however, we have three indie film theaters in the area and often we meet, see the movie, talk about it and optionally go out to eat afterwards. often, much younger people seem to show up: male, female, gay and straight. i've brought my more conservative friends to see the movies with "no problem". i think being a university town, also attracts liberals in this particular area and many attend these events with an intellectual bent. that would be different in another area.

i also wonder about the distribution of indie movie theaters overall. there are more here per population than in san jose, over the hill. why? because our baseline demographics are different. perhaps indie films are correlated with the liberal,more "artsy" crowd. but again, our group has it's share of men and several married couples. also, when i took my kids, they liked the films, but not necessarily the intellectual talks after. my eldest (age 22) does like the social component, because she gets a lot of attention with her baby, when we are not talking about the film. so, to her, it feels a lot like "family". last time, several helped her with her college assignment--kind of her private built in focus group! again, the home based groups are different than the more formal ones.

ps if you want a more conservative viewpoint, just invite your conservative friends. we do that here all the time, i.e. bring each other into our "worlds". but then again, we have similar goals, just different views about how to get there, as my friends range from devout christians to atheists-- with all the religions in a stream in between. that's what makes it interesting. nobody puts the other down. everyone tries to "understand" the others' point of view.

so maybe it's about "flexiblity" and not about political leanings. there are those who talk and those who walk. often the "walkers" have a lot more patience with each other as they are dealing with implementing reality to make the world a better place or even to just understand human nature--the good and the bad.
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Posted: 7/10/2009 11:15:05 AM

For instance, we saw "W" the film about Bush... We all thought it would be 90 minutes of making fun of the man, but we thought it was actually very fair and showed him in an interesting light -- even so, out of the 14 of us who watched this movie, NONE of us really liked Bush... it would have been great to get the perspective of someone who supported him; we even talked about THAT in our discussion.

Well, that's your problem right there: you're screening movies like "W". Do you really think right-wingers are going to pay to see a movie like that? I wouldn't, and I'm a left-wing Canadian who despises Bush. I'd figure that at best that movie wouldn't tell me anything I don't already know, and more likely it would be an ugly, partisan, diatribe. Put it another way: if Ann Coulter made a movie, would you pay to see it (remembering that Ann Coulter's getting a cut of every ticket)?

The thing is, you've got a group of very left-wing female 45-year-olds who are picking movies that very left-wing female 45-year-olds want to see. You can't really change that without cutting into your existing base, and people outside that base are not, in general, going to want to see those particular foreign and indie movies. (I doubt that you're showing a lot of war movies, for example, or a lot of anime.)
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Posted: 7/10/2009 11:38:42 PM
Maybe a part of it has to do with the percentages of liberal and conservative people in your area.
I used to live in Toronto and knew plenty of people who couldn't be considered conservative by any stretch of the imagination, who simply had no interest in going to Indie/Foreign films.
But then Canada and the US might have differences I am not aware of. Guelph is predominantly a Christian/Conservative area. We got tons of churches! And we have multicultural events and a festival too.
I don't know really. I don't think my input can contribute much.
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Msg: 52
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Posted: 7/11/2009 5:56:33 PM
Conservatives are often not interested in material that makes the people they want to bomb look like actual human beings.

Or maybe it's the subtitles... It's a rare conservative that likes to read...

Who called Ann Coulter hot? She's a HE. She's got an Adam's Apple!
 Dr Fakullo B.
Joined: 7/9/2009
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Posted: 7/13/2009 6:45:53 PM
"We asked at the theater and they agreed that our stats are probably similar as what they see in the door."

Whom did you ask at the theatre?

What do they see in the door? I see nothing in the door. Indoors? Tandoori chicken? You are making very informal sense.

Why were you taken aback? Because someone, or a building, or a door agreed with you? Is that a very rare occurrance?

Republicans and Christians consider it un-American to watch foreign films, and they are convinced that independent films lead to independent thought, the bain of all religious dogma everywhere. In a way, we don't want Hollywood to go GM's way. I'd strongly advise for your group to watch domestic films, as our actors need to eat, too.

Your local Indi theatre must love all 45 of you. You fill more seats each time you go than in my town an Indi theatre can attract customers in an entire month.

Average age 45: it could be a misleading statistic, as all by itself it says no more than the average. It says nothing of the distribution's shape or standard deviation. For instance, 22 people could be 1 years old, and 22, 89, plus a forty-five-year-old by osmosis. It would still work out to be average 45. Or maybe there are 22 91-year-olds with embrios and one 45-year-old . That's also average age of 45 (Minus nine months olds, numbering 23 of them.) Of course also everyone could be 45, and of course everyone could be between 40 and 50, with a flat distribution.

I know I fixated here on the number 45, while your group counts up to 75 members. I have my weak points, too, and 75 is it. 45 is three-quarters of an hour, and 75 is three-quarters of a hundred.

I curse the clock makers of all times at all times.
 Dr Fakullo B.
Joined: 7/9/2009
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Posted: 7/14/2009 3:29:43 PM
I tend to side with J in SD, James. I have seen enough Czech films with Hungarian subtitles in the sixties to know what the true truth is.

Of course the best foreign films are made in Hollywood (like BadLands, Ninotschka, WWII, Knyaz Potyemkin, If, Hamlet (I like the 1733 production by David Hume the best) and The Great Liebowitz) and the best indie films are made in Chinese sweatshops with better quality control than the USA could ever dream of, including the measured addition of led to toothpaste at the whimsy of the plant manager.

I am fully aware of what little sense I make here. You gotta read the subtext, man. The subtext should read, in big, red, blinking letters, "H E L P !!!!"
 Dr Fakullo B.
Joined: 7/9/2009
Msg: 60
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Posted: 7/15/2009 6:47:33 AM
If I may give my definition and throw it on the pile here, on what constitutes a foreign film: One that is very far removed from my mindset, what I would never imagine reality to be, something with values that are foreign to me.

In this sense all American movies are either foreign or not foreign to me. Whether they be made in Hollywood, in China, in Madagaskar or in Nascar.

I like foreign movies.
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