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Joined: 6/14/2007
Msg: 51
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Alternately, we could all either go to church and pray that God grants us a wise and benevolent dictator who manages to coax all businesses to respect the environment and our citizens; or, try to grab all the riches from anyone any way we can, while we can.

While I basically agree with the sentiment, I think you have the order of things backwards in this case. BC is already at the stage of "trying to grab all the riches" and, for all I can see, might have been there since the 19th century. In this environment, serious attempts to elect a responsible government are pretty much doomed. The best we can hope for is to get a good one by luck.

The point I wanted to make with that comment was this: What we really need to fix is for ordinary voters here to lose the "us vs. them" mentality and try to see the bigger picture. I don't know what it'll take to make that reality, though.

Let's watch the many trips and trucks coming in from Alberta next their NON PST province grow even more. Can you see people setting up buying trips to Alberta for consumer groups?

Yeesh what melodrama. The cost of a bus ride and overnight stay in Alberta is probably already more than the change to HST is likely to cost most people. Do the math before you rant.

I as a business operator, will lose some income in the form of the PST Vendor's Commission.

There is that, yes - for retailers, anyway.

Again, though... before people gripe about losing money they should really add up exactly how much and compare it to the amounts they've got back in income tax cuts over the last 8 years, and/or how much they might get back this year. In fact, I think from now on I'll just ignore anybody who can't be bothered to do that.

I can hardly wait to see the fuss Alberta will put up, having been PST exempt for so long

?? Nothing has changed for Alberta. They still pay 5% GST and no PST.

By the way, it could be said that Alberta is already an HST province, just one with a 0% provincial component. :) If they ever did want to institute a local sales tax, all it would take is a note to the federal government asking them to collect more as HST. I don't see it happening, because "no sales tax" is just too big a sacred cow there, but if enough oil money dried up one year, who knows...

I do not have a problem paying a little more tax to help reduce our debt but what I have a problem with is when we pay more tax and the gov't gives themselves a raise or spend that money unwisely.

Fair enough. Personally, I consider that restructuring taxes to make them simpler and easier to administrate is generally a good idea. This deal also contains that big $1.6B subsidy from the federal government that some might call unwise spending, though.

my difficulties are with the over inflated and in many cases inefficient bureaucracy and countless service charges for what use dot be free services...

What free services? We always pay for them one way or another. The only question is whether you hide the amounts in global taxes or show them to people on the spot by making them pay those "service charges."

That reminds me of a weird, almost hypocritical, kind of thinking that's shown up in all this ... Canada and the US are about the only countries where sales tax isn't routinely included in the posted price of things. People usually say that's because they want to see exactly how much the tax is - but in fact, you're not seeing all the tax here now; there's still hidden tax (especially with gasoline). With HST you actually will be seeing (more of) the tax you're paying. and now people don't like it. I have to wonder how much of that is because they really think it will cost extra, and how much is simply because they were able to ignore it before and would like it to magically go away again now.
Joined: 2/12/2009
Msg: 52
Posted: 7/29/2009 4:08:36 PM
There is a growing number of people quite unhappy about the HST.

Perhaps the outcry will enough to force some modification to the plan before it is implemented.
Joined: 5/13/2007
Msg: 53
Posted: 8/3/2009 9:13:23 PM
Well well now.....

Now it seems this governments seedy greedy underhanded dispicable clandestine plans are starting to seep through the cracks.....

They had this agenda planned way before the election and denied it....
There is no other motive for this tax other than get the gift from from the feds and increase our overall tax essence, a massive tax grab after all - like I stated in my original post.....

There's a grassroots rebellion starting to gather speed.....good luck to them.....
Joined: 5/6/2009
Msg: 54
Posted: 8/3/2009 9:33:44 PM
Today, Carol James led a protest in Burnaby against the HST. I believe the turnout was good. We have until July 1st of 2010 to put the breaks on the HST.

Sweet Jane
Joined: 5/31/2006
Msg: 55
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Posted: 8/5/2009 12:06:41 AM
I for one have signed the paper towards the protest against the HST. And its great to see that the crowds are growing everyday showing just how much British Columbians hate this plan
Joined: 5/6/2009
Msg: 56
Posted: 8/6/2009 6:02:53 PM
80 percent of the British Columbians are opposed to HST according to Global news. Some experts do argue that it will save us money.
Joined: 5/13/2007
Msg: 57
Posted: 8/6/2009 9:56:37 PM
All that means.......^^^^^ 80% of the population has finally clued in.....
No way....No how can anyone with a functioning brain cell would think any government would makes changes to tax legislation to save tax payers money.....has never happened, will never happen......
As Shell would say....''It's just that easy".......taxem to death.....
Joined: 10/12/2006
Msg: 58
Posted: 8/7/2009 7:41:14 AM

Yeesh what melodrama. The cost of a bus ride and overnight stay in Alberta is probably already more than the change to HST is likely to cost most people. Do the math before you rant.

Who said anything about a bus ride?
Since you have appointed yourself the POFHST expert, maybe look at other possibilities, before shooting down other's thoughts. I am a business owner and will see my form of business hit with adding the 7% to almost all aspects, and I know consumers will not be happy, so no melodrama here. rather someone who has taken the time to examine what it means across the board.

I happen to know a few people who are wringing their hands at the thought of trucking in electronics by the loadful, appliances etc. If you think trucking companies won't be looking to help cover lost loads due to the HST you are mistaken.

The underground economy will just continue to grow. In a world ruled by plastic you will see the old saying "cash is king" make a comeback.
Joined: 6/14/2007
Msg: 59
Posted: 8/7/2009 8:50:45 AM

Who said anything about a bus ride?

You said:

Can you see people setting up buying trips to Alberta for consumer groups?

Bus would be the cheapest way for a group to go to Alberta, and anything else would be even more expensive. Or was your question not referring to the notion of people going to Alberta to take advantage of cheaper prices?

Since you have appointed yourself the POFHST expert, maybe look at other possibilities, before shooting down other's thoughts.

I wouldn't call myself an expert, I just bothered to actually read what the HST was all about and think about it, apparently unlike many other people posting here. For example...

I am a business owner and will see my form of business hit with adding the 7% to almost all aspects,

It's very unlikely you'll be adding 7% to all aspects. This has been discussed to death already.

I happen to know a few people who are wringing their hands at the thought of trucking in electronics by the loadful, appliances etc.

Since electronics and appliances are subject to PST now, HST will mean zero price increase. Perhaps people are bootlegging stereos into BC , but there'll be no more reason to do so with HST than there is already.

On the radio yesterday I heard some fishing boat operator whining about how having to register for HST will force them to charge too much and spur the underground economy yadda yadda yadda... The thing is, if they didn't have to register for GST before they won't have to register for HST now, so this sounds like total nonsense. This debate seems to have run out of sensible discussion everywhere now, not just in this thread. So I think I'll depart this particular field of battle with one last followup observation:

I read that the restaurant owners' association is trying to convince the government to make life easier for them in other ways, like letting them buy alcohol at wholesale rates rather than retail (amazing they couldn't do that already). That'd be a nice answer to their worries; end the problems tax simplification caused for them by simplifying even more paperwork.
Joined: 10/12/2006
Msg: 60
Posted: 8/7/2009 9:14:51 AM
Again you pick and choose.

currently a great deal of my business is not PST chargeable, but will be with the change, I said "almost ALL apsects" not ALL, since currently about 65% is non pst chargeable,but that wouldn't fit with your answer so twist the meaning.and I have read the HST information, so get off your high horse and understand that there are other people besides yourself that understand the tax and it's implications.

Since electronics and appliances are subject to PST now, HST will mean zero price increase. Perhaps people are bootlegging stereos into BC , but there'll be no more reason to do so with HST than there is already.

7% more cash in an electronics store owners pocket nowadays is substantial, when there are so many big box low retail price cutters out there now.

Again I never said people would be going to Alberta let alone in the part about trucking companies adding to their trips..... And if you think people won't be moving things from Alberta to BC with lower costs and more profit in this economyl the result, you are sadly mistaken, call it bootlegging?, call it whatever, it will happen.

I doubt you own a retail business, so you wouldn't really understand how it affects them.
Joined: 10/16/2006
Msg: 61
Posted: 8/7/2009 9:37:25 AM
Hmm 2010 Olympics , Carbon Tax , Pendergast at Translink wants 450 million a year for his crown corporation and now HST . anyboddy else want to dip into our emty pockets . Oh I forgot the toll on the new bridge in the lower mainland at $ 3.90 a pop 1 way . Beautiful British Columbia ah I don't thinks so anymore ...
 Corner GasGuy
Joined: 3/16/2009
Msg: 62
Posted: 8/7/2009 11:32:42 AM
With B.C. in the middle of a recession, with many unemployed in our resource industries, the effect of HST is not only financial, but also psychological. Many people are raiding their cookie jars, buying essentials only and hoping they get back to work before their EI runs out.
Any savings Big Business gleans from HST will not be passed on to the consumer, that's for sure.
Wrong time to shove this down our throats.
Draxx is correct, will hurt Small Business and expand the Underground Economy.
Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 63
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Posted: 8/8/2009 3:38:01 AM
Just to post a small input on which I don't fully have an opinion.

I'm a realtor and do know that the real estate board is in strong opposition to HST or at least strong opposition to the way it was brought about without consultation.

It is a drastic change for some aspects of real estate purchase and sales.

Like I said, I don't fully have an opinion yet, but felt like offering up information.
Joined: 7/26/2008
Msg: 64
Posted: 8/8/2009 5:53:54 PM
There is an online petition to sign if you are against the HST but since i cant post websites if you would like the link send me a message and ill be glad to hand it over :)
Joined: 2/12/2009
Msg: 65
Posted: 8/8/2009 6:02:07 PM
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 Fa que
Joined: 2/10/2009
Msg: 66
Posted: 8/9/2009 7:23:47 AM
There seems to be some confusion in here about the Tax... and where that money ends up. How does anyone think this change is going to be of a benefit to the retailer??? They will have to remit the tax, not pocket it.

This is just another example of Government fuking it's constituents.

Bend over and grab your knees...
Joined: 2/12/2009
Msg: 67
Posted: 8/10/2009 11:16:38 PM
Facebook has a group "NO BC HST", currently over 64,000 members.

Online petitions against the HST:


Canadian Restaurant and Foodservices Association:
Joined: 6/14/2007
Msg: 68
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Posted: 8/11/2009 12:40:19 PM
I can see how this helps business streamline accounting but I just read an article in the paper about how this will effect the home rental market. Right now if you have rental property you do not pay tax on anything to do with repairs to the property but when the new HST comes into play the renter now has to increase his rents to make up for the 7%
 Worse Than Ever
Joined: 6/25/2009
Msg: 69
Posted: 9/1/2009 6:15:46 PM
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 Worse Than Ever
Joined: 6/25/2009
Msg: 70
Posted: 9/1/2009 7:14:30 PM
i will find poster 11! by god! i will take it upon myself as my personal mission! bearded or shaved...hiding or just sloping around like a or not...choroform or a rubber mallet - i will find poster #11 and bring her/him/it forward!
The PMS Nutter
Joined: 2/21/2007
Msg: 71
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Posted: 9/2/2009 10:29:11 PM
This star wars HST parody is pretty amusing.
Joined: 8/19/2007
Msg: 72
Posted: 9/10/2009 6:55:22 PM
Well I know it sounds good for businesses, governments that get full rebates but again, the public tax paying people are getting shafted again. The average person is not going to be able to afford an extra 7% on top of all the other increase in prices. And the government is offering very few tax exemptions/incentives for it to matter for most of Joe or Jane public. When ever I go to the store, I always think my bill is wrong but it is all that bloody tax we must pay. This tax just makes me friggin' mad...when will the middle to low income households ever get a chance in this province. I think never and that this province doesn't give a damn about it's people or what they want or need. The Olympics are one of the major factors that have made us in debt and in trouble with our provincial finances. I cannot see the Olympics doing much good for our economy...maybe a bit...but people around the world are hurting as well and don't have thousands of dollars per night/week to spend just on accomodationg and that is not food or any other events they may want to see or pay for. Just my two cents. Thanks.
Joined: 9/15/2008
Msg: 73
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Posted: 9/10/2009 8:07:27 PM
Medicare is costly.... we need to find the funds for programs that take care of our citizens.... education is costly... infrastructure is costly.... we need to pay taxes to pay for these services....these necessities.

That said...there was a report on the news yesterday about Children in Poverty who are not getting the adequate levels of healthy food.

My question is why is there a tax on basics such as food that are meant to keep us healthy an alert and functioning in our work and school?
Junk food is cheap it turns out... where in the study only like a low 20something percent of children were getting their daily requirement of meat protein, fresh vegetables, fruits and milk.

I am not talking about taking the tax of all luxury items and alcohol... I am talking about basics....and not necessarily fancy schmancy organic delicacies.

seems if we want to cut cost on medicare and maintain a healthy population we should be giving a break to citizens so they can eat healthy.

just my two cents. Spend the HST monies wisely...and fairly.
Joined: 4/16/2008
Msg: 74
Posted: 9/11/2009 12:19:31 AM
I agree wholeheartedly with WWR. We need to shelter the basics from tax . A rebate at the end of the year, is not part of a living allowance. And would really just be something to 'toot' politically as an increase.
Many elderly live in very precarious economic situations, as do single income parents, low-income working parents, and their children of course!
It is not acceptable for our government, or for us to agree to a new 'harmonized' tax system that does not protect these things, and these people.
I am not a business person, just the average person, so that is all I have to offer here
Joined: 2/12/2009
Msg: 75
Posted: 10/6/2009 6:38:45 PM
If you are already considering buying something for which you now only pay GST you might want to try and buy it now before the HST comes into effect.

For example purchases of bicycles and accessories are currently taxed only GST (no PST).

I looked at the government's list of what will be exempt from the HST here:

I did not find bicycles listed there, so would expect the HST to apply to them.
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