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 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 629
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santorum is a true body orifice. Even the others at the table reacted to the stupidity.
 from site to sight
Joined: 11/30/2007
Msg: 630
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 4/5/2018 12:23:52 PM
Youth Baseball League Raffling off AR-15, other guns
The Associated Press

CANTON, Ohio — An Ohio youth baseball league is raffling off an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle and other guns for a fundraiser to reduce registration fees.

The East Canton Youth Baseball Association also will raffle off a bolt-action hunting rifle, a 12-gauge shotgun and a handgun during the league's youth picture day on April 29, according to The Repository.

It's the fifth year the league has held a gun raffle.

The AR-15, a civilian version of a U.S. military rifle, has drawn national attention in recent weeks because it was the same type of gun used in the Parkland, Fla., school shooting that killed 17 people.

Youth organizations across the country are holding raffles for the military rifle, including ones in Kansas, Michigan, Pennsylvania, California and Nebraska.

A plan to have third-graders sell raffle tickets for the weapon in Missouri to benefit their baseball team has received heavy backlash. The organizer responded in a Facebook post saying they are not forcing any of the boys to sell the rifle.

Baseball league president David Spencer said families aren't required to sell raffle tickets.

He said winners pick up their weapons at a gun store and are subject to background checks.

Spencer said the association expects to generate between $1,500 and $2,000.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 631
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 4/5/2018 3:28:23 PM
Too bad there isn't such a thing as brain transplants - they could raffle that off for those lacking any at all in this case. Unfortunately, it wouldn't make a dent in the population of stupidity that's apparently a U.S. epidemic when it comes to all things gun related.
 Goyswontbereplaced
Joined: 4/3/2018
Msg: 632
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 4/11/2018 8:02:45 AM
As my username boldly suggests gun ownership is more than a right it is a responsibility. Imagine the geNOcide that would be perpetrated on White Christians if we were disarmed.

AR's are needed to preserve the other nine Amendments. )))Resist forced assimiliation(((
 pedata
Joined: 3/25/2018
Msg: 633
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 4/11/2018 8:49:55 AM

As my username boldly suggests gun ownership is more than a right it is a responsibility. Imagine the geNOcide that would be perpetrated on White Christians if we were disarmed.


Gun ownership is the smart move given the loony White Trash society the country has to deal with.



AR's are needed to preserve the other nine Amendment


I'm willing to bet you have no idea what the other ten amendments are without googling and even then, you have zero idea what they mean or how they are applied by the Courts. The White Trash Society is nothing if not hypocritical to its core. Very sad.
 Goyswontbereplaced
Joined: 4/3/2018
Msg: 634
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 4/11/2018 11:06:08 AM
Do all the name calling you wish. We both know civil war begins when (((they))) try disarming "whitey".
 pedata
Joined: 3/25/2018
Msg: 635
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 4/11/2018 11:15:56 AM
Name calling... it is a compliment calling you Mr. Clean...what with you baby smooth head...you don't mind do you? So if """THEY"""" try to take away your assault rifle, we will be in a Civil War. ROFLMAO.... and what the heck could an army of low IQ Mr. Cleans of the WTS possibly do to stop the Feds and the Military from doing what it wanted to you?
 drinkthesunwithmyface
Joined: 3/27/2012
Msg: 636
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Posted: 4/26/2018 3:13:31 AM

I don't know why people need to explain why they want something? There are many, many products that don't serve any purpose outside of a desire for the product.

For instance, the top speed in the USA is 85 mph, yet a Ferrari (and many other high powered sports cars) states that the car has a top speed exceeding 217 mph,


The Ferrari isn't a killing machine. Its a car.


Why do people need to explain why they wish to purchase something? Well, we tend to ask if they buy the ingredients for making meth in drum quantities, or if they buy dynamite

I hear tell that we frequently have road rage incidents here and there. And sometimes someone is injured or killed. We should ban cars, or at least anything more than the equivalent of the old-school Volkswagen Beetle of the 1970's. People don't kill people; Cars do.

Btw...we all realize, don't we, that the vast majority of guns out there are semi-automatic? I hope that someone doesn't think that a revolver is not a semi-automatic. And...of course a person could want a gun for use against humans, not hunting. It's not a raccoon or a deer that might break into your home and rape and rob you, or abuse their power and bring some government tyranny to your doorstep.

...well, maybe the raccoon. Gotta watch out for those little boogers. "Mr. Raccoon, you ARE the father...!"
 I_Am_Con_S_Tip_ated
Joined: 4/4/2018
Msg: 637
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 4/26/2018 6:12:47 AM
The same rules and laws we have for cars should apply to guns.

Off the type of my head, testing, licensing, inspection, and insurance.
 from site to sight
Joined: 11/30/2007
Msg: 638
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 4/26/2018 8:02:54 AM
"The same rules and laws we have for cars should apply to guns."

Don't mention guns and cars in the same sentence, because American gun nuts are so crazy, that will give them the idea to mount guns on cars. They will justify it by saying "You never know when you're going to have a shootout while driving down the highway."
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 639
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 4/26/2018 8:18:45 AM
we do have road rage incidents, and people driving on the sidewalks. Interestingly enough, after the OKBomb, the standards required to rent a van big enough for a bomb changed, and no one raised a fuss. When vehicles get semi autonomous in driving, it may be harder to run people over intentionally. so much for angry vengeful wives and abusive spouses. There are a lot of weapons out there who are semi auto and its interesting the trailer for the movie Sicario 2 had Benito del Toro's character manipulating his Beretta 92 semi auto to bumpfire the clip right into his target-the closeup basically showed how he was accomplishing it. But then I don't see too many gun laws banning revolvers, tho any afficiando of the wild west can remember some outlaw fanning the hammer of his old Colt. Or Chuck Conners winging the lever action of his Winchester right there in the beginning of every show.

of course, when the arresting officers hand back the military grade rifle to the father of their suspect, who promises he won't let his son with mental issues ever have the rifle again...we just can't fix stupid.

as for the old cars, there are scientific studies suggesting that all our safety equipment makes us more willing to take risks. one person make the joke that the airbag in the steering wheel should be replaced with a spike aimed at the driver's chest. that would certainly fix distracted driving--the first time you poked yourself, you got yourself a fine example of EXACTLY the results of your actions. Off goes the cellphone, down goes the coffee cup, and both hands on the steering wheel where they belong.

maybe sometimes, you can fix stupid.
 HawkingJr
Joined: 4/16/2007
Msg: 640
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Posted: 5/21/2018 7:36:21 AM
Following the Santa Fe shooting, anti-gun-control Texas Lt. Governor Patrick said in blame: “We have 50 million abortions. We have families that are broken apart, no fathers at home. We have incredible heinous violence as a [video] game, two hours a day in front of their eyes. And we stand here and we wonder why this happens to certain students." Then he started talking about the lack of armed teachers and the need for more “door control.”

Curious he made this about “broken homes,” when the killer’s parents are still together, married for 18 years (he’s 17). Indeed his father is obviously a conservative pro-gun Republican, with numerous allusions to the NRA and guns rights on his social media, while his mother has at least one “Make America Great Again” post and both are obviously very Christian religious (the killer himself is currently in the church choir). No one’s said he’s a video game addict and by all accounts he was a “great kid,” nothing like the Parkland killer with a million red flags all over the place – looks like his daddy trained him well with the guns, so maybe he didn’t need shooter video games. Not sure what the point of the armed teacher concept is in this case, because the teacher in the classroom he started with was one of the first persons he shot, and in this case, unlike Parkland, the school resource officer immediately responded, and the killer shot him, too. Now had his parents aborted him, all of his victims would still be alive, so there’s that. So Patrick’s remarks are way out in left field (actually right field) in comparison to the actual events – just a bunch of conservative redneck political grandstanding having nothing to do with the actual killer. I am surprised neither he nor Trump has said anything about the father’s immigrant status, because that’s right up their alley, but hey, he’s white and not from a “s-hole country,” so I guess they decided not to open that can of worms.

Interestingly, I myself said during the Parkland aftermath that “door control” is the only thing that could possibly prevent these massacres: one entrance way with metal detectors and security watching throughout the school day. Indeed, you almost never hear about a shooting of any kind actually inside an inner city school because nearly all of them already are built and run that way, like an airport or a non-school government building. Nearly all mass shootings occur in suburban and rural schools. So in this case, Patrick and others suggesting this are right on the money. Which is the problem: money. To retrofit all 100,000+ American schools in this manner would cost a massive fortune. Which few rural districts can spare (look at all the teachers in red states protesting and striking about their measly pay – the rural Alabama school I went to definitely couldn’t afford to become a fortress), though Parkland seems pretty rich, but still, unless the federal government gets involved, there will be a lot of haves and have nots when it comes to school security, yet every time you bring this up to a conservative, they go nuts talking about how the federal government shouldn’t be involved at all in education, as they applaud Devos’ attempts to get it out of that business.

So, yeah, once again, I expect a whole lot of nothing to happen, other than maybe increased penalties in some states for parents not properly securing their weapons (that said, seems likely the killer had permission from his dad to use those weapons in general, though obviously not to kill his classmates – most of my male high school classmates “owned” rifles, whether or not that was actually legal. Remember, the killer is 17 – most Texas 17-year-olds probably have hunting rifles with their parents’ permission – we’re not talking about a 4-year-old accidentally getting his hand on an unlocked pistol and shooting his sister). Just sit around waiting for the next mass shooting...

Most interesting to me about this particular case is that it turns out to be strongly related to the discussions in other Plenty of Fish forums. The mother of one of the victims claims that her daughter rejected the killer’s romantic interest in him numerous times before finally, just in the past week, humiliated him with a loud, public rejection in front of numerous classmates. So less than a week later, he grabs his daddy’s guns, walks into a class she’s in and makes sure she’s one of the first to go down. How many millions of discussions have we had around here about how to properly reject and how to deal with the rejection? I’d say both of these 2 failed POF Rejection 101. But, hey, they’re teenagers, so they probably have good excuses for not passing. What about us adults on this board?
 ja6425
Joined: 1/16/2018
Msg: 641
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 5/21/2018 7:59:12 AM
"Following the Santa Fe shooting, anti-gun-control Texas Lt. Governor Patrick said in blame: “We have 50 million abortions. We have families that are broken apart, no fathers at home. We have incredible heinous violence as a [video] game, two hours a day in front of their eyes. And we stand here and we wonder why this happens to certain students." Then he started talking about the lack of armed teachers and the need for more “door control.”

^^^^^^^^^That is so true in general!! We don't know all the facts in this killing spree last week but what is said^^^^ is so true!! There is always going to be incidents that are not "carbon copy" to another but we are in decline with morality. We need to fix that first.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 642
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 5/21/2018 8:11:01 AM
According to the stats then, yours is the least moralistic country. I guess god isn't blessing the USA overly much. http://www.humanosphere.org/science/2016/06/visualizing-gun-deaths-comparing-u-s-rest-world/
Maybe insisting on "In God we Trust" being inscribed on all your constitutionally owned guns would solve all those moralistic problems surrounding all those gun deaths inside your school's and everywhere else. Or maybe fix your water problems because there has to be something in it causing such mass stupidity.
 from site to sight
Joined: 11/30/2007
Msg: 643
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 5/21/2018 8:19:04 AM
""Following the Santa Fe shooting, anti-gun-control Texas Lt. Governor Patrick said in blame: “We have 50 million abortions...."

What does abortion have to do with a gunman showing up at a school and shooting people?
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 644
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 5/21/2018 9:11:05 AM

We have 50 million abortions.

Is that true?
Is that in a year, or since forever?
There's only about 150 million females in the USA, I would guess that only about a third (?) would be capable of breeding.
Does that mean that every single (or not single ) fertile female in the USA has had at least one abortion?
Maths.

Mind you, I suspect the cretin who made the claim is a devout "goddist" of some sort.
And it's been estimated that "god" aborts more perfectly "wanted" babies than all the abortion clinics combined.
As many as one in three pregnancies ends in spontaneous abortion, many without even being known about.
Good old "god" eh?

If you believe in "god" then he does that.
Maybe he could jam a few of all those guns, when they're killing all those children.
It must either be that all you Americans aren't praying hard enough, or that the whole "god" thing is just made-up bullshit.

I know which option my money would be on.

It's funny how they're only ever "terrorists" if they're brown..... or "Muslim", preferably both.
And this guy was religious, and in the choir, with religious parents, who were still together.
But not a terrorist.
Just crazy.

Not enough guns is clearly the problem.
They should be at least "waist-deep", everywhere; that would slow everyone down.

It's terrible that all these children need to die, just so that some morons can selfishly keep their "rights" to make believe they're tough.
And tragic that the same morons never seem to realise that, until their own child dies.

America may become the first entire country to win a "Darwin Award".
Jmo
 dragonbytes
Joined: 9/15/2015
Msg: 645
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Posted: 5/21/2018 9:43:05 AM
John
There is always going to be incidents that are not "carbon copy" to another but we are in decline with morality. We need to fix that first.


If you want to fix the decline in morality, Trump would be the last guy to lead that charge. He wouldn't even know what morality meant, for him morality is whatever you can get away with legally is moral.
 APRILIKESWHITEROSES
Joined: 4/6/2018
Msg: 646
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 5/21/2018 9:52:30 AM

He wouldn't even know what morality meant. Trump would be the last guy to lead that charge


wrong ^^



He already starts.

The Trump Administration Is Partially Defunding Planned Parenthood.!!


 ghostata
Joined: 3/29/2018
Msg: 647
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 5/21/2018 9:56:52 AM

The Trump Administration Is Partially Defunding Planned Parenthood.!!


How wonderful...now many women who received medical care and treatments and preventative medicine from Planned parenthood will be on their own.....you effing losers are destroying our country. You all should take a boat to nowhere and let decent folk be.
 47Seagulls
Joined: 3/16/2018
Msg: 648
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 5/21/2018 10:13:47 AM
^^^^ Nailed it.

There is nothing, nothing....SFA, that is moral about SCROTUS. Not his cheating on 3 wives, not riding a porn star bareback, not his insulting a POW, not his insulting a family who buried their soldier son. Not even his comments about grabbing pussi or saying his daughter is so attractive even he'd "do her". Or raping his first wife.

I really shake my head at the low IQ, uneducated and inbred folks that still support Scrotum in Chief. I can see people still supporting the Republican Party - but not that POS in the White House.

Be Best....what a crock of shyt....coming from a woman who has shown her hooch and tytties to the world. Garbage. Absolute garbage with no, NO, moral compass what so ever.
 HawkingJr
Joined: 4/16/2007
Msg: 649
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Posted: 5/21/2018 10:39:24 AM
“What does abortion have to do with a gunman showing up at a school and shooting people?”

As I said, if the killer’s parents had aborted him, he never would have shot up that school. Certainly that’s about as close of a connection to those things as he could have meant.

“That is so true in general!! We don't know all the facts in this killing spree last week but what is said^^^^ is so true!! There is always going to be incidents that are not ‘carbon copy’ to another but we are in decline with morality.”

This incident is not merely “not carbon copy,” but the complete antithesis of what the Lt. governor was suggesting to blame. Again, we know for a fact that his parents were married, ultra-religious, ultra-conservative, anti-gun-control and almost certainly anti-abortion. But how could that be, John? Lt. Gov. Patrick claims that families like those should not be producing mass murderers. And the school had good guys with guns who did their jobs, yet one got shot and ten people are dead. But how could that be, John? Lt. Gov. Patrick said that would fix everything.

Whose morality are we going to legislate, John? Yours? One man’s morality is another man’s sin. Furthermore, there are plenty of “immoral” countries where this almost never happens. Scandinavia is just full of sin (ridiculously unmarried birth rates), yet, with the exception of the Nazi nut in Norway a few years ago (which technically was a right wing terrorist attack that happened at a camp, not a school), you’d be hardpressed to find a mass murder among them, especially at a school.

“Is that in a year, or since forever?”

Forever, or thereabouts (there’s about a million a year, and abortion has been legal throughout the U.S. for less than 50 years).

“The Trump Administration Is Partially Defunding Planned Parenthood.”

Is this really the same original April? Because her command of the English language is now much more impressive than before. However, her command of sanity is about the same. Though I suppose there is an argument to be made that even though Trump himself is not in any way what most of his supporters would normally consider “moral,” he is certainly attempting to remold America in their idea of morality. Never mind that Christ would agree with very little of his policy, considering it’s so vehemently anti-poor and destructive of the Earth He created.

"Be Best....what a crock of shyt...."

I have to at least give her credit -- when she was introducing that concept, she at confessed to the irony of her doing so. Even if she is stuck in the situation she's in for financial reasons, I do wish she'd go a little farther with those sort of public admissions. I mean, what's he going to do -- beat her in the White House? Anyone remember how KJ used to hate on Hillary because she stood by her man despite Lewinsky etc.? Bill can't hold Trump's jock strap, yet Melania (or Melanie, whatever he's calling her these days) keeps right on sitting and smiling-ish to the cameras.
 dragonbytes
Joined: 9/15/2015
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Posted: 5/21/2018 11:00:01 AM

wrong ^^

He already starts.

The Trump Administration Is Partially Defunding Planned Parenthood.!!


So do you think we should all be more like Trump?
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
Msg: 651
well, at least they're praying. That's helped before
Posted: 5/21/2018 12:05:31 PM
"That is so true in general!!"

>>>if its general, then there's times where its not what it claims to be, so its not...true. Johnny gets today's asinine blanket statement award.

"We don't know all the facts in this killing spree last week"

>>>except we know what Hawking said--" the killer’s parents are still together, married for 18 years". So broken home wasn't the least bit generally true here, it was 100% false. And there were armed dudes there to help, the place had drills, and yet...10 students are still dead. So, we didn't have the broken home, he wasn't aborted, there were good guys with guns...all the bullshit conservatives tell us every school needs, and they still didn't prevent 10 deaths.

so now the problem is...too many doors. Which are probably necessary in a fire, but a problem in gunfire. The next time, the problem will be too many windows.

Hawking brings up a wonderful point about the girl turning down the shooter--every time someone rants about feminists taking over, and why can't a woman give me a reason for turning her down, we should remember...some guys get irate enough to shoot the girl who turns him down repeatedly.

as for Planned Parenthood, its not allowed to use your tax dollars for abortion. It can use your money for pap smears, birth control, and other "Freedoms" a woman should have, but those who claim to fight for Freedom are terrified a woman would have.
















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 47Seagulls
Joined: 3/16/2018
Msg: 652
well, at least they're praying. That's helped before
Posted: 5/21/2018 12:49:31 PM

If you want to fix the decline in morality, Trump would be the last guy to lead that charge. He wouldn't even know what morality meant, for him morality is whatever you can get away with legally is moral.


True. Truer words have not been spoken. I can't believe how anyone would think Trump is even remotely "moral".

I find it odd how so many bible thumpers can somehow justify Trump's behaviour, past and present. I'm thinking that they themselves are just fake Christians. Or stupid.
 ja6425
Joined: 1/16/2018
Msg: 653
Liberal insanity
Posted: 5/21/2018 4:38:12 PM
Hawking, your whole post is a nothing burger. Because someone is a liberal or a conservative or black or white or goes to church or not, what the hell does that have to do with anything??? Thought so. Do you know anything about this murderer yet?? Do you know what was going on in his life?? Nopers, you don't. You want to group everything into one nice little package to help make your point but obviously you can't and make it correct. It is correct in your mind but that's it.
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And another unbelievable comment from little gto: "so now the problem is...too many doors. Which are probably necessary in a fire, but a problem in gunfire"

^^^^^^^Oh boy, let me dumb it down for ya buddy. First of all, having less doors that are ENTRANCES is what you are missing, but you are frothing at the mouth spewing anything. Those doors would be EXIT doors only. Am I dumbing it down enough for ya now little gto?? Those doors don't go away, they just change to exiting only. Wow, that was difficult to dumb it down anymore then that.

Freedom a woman would have??? To kill an unborn human being? Nopers. You need to listen to the recently past president of PP and her sad reason to abort. I wonder how her children that she actually allowed to live will feel about this when they grow up.
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