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 trinity818
Joined: 9/1/2006
Msg: 104
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SCOTUS has once again tossed a conservative effort to rob Americans of healthcare


Although I don't currently qualify for government subsidies... thank you Dems for ACA. Without it, I would not be able to get health insurance AT ALL right now.

In another 5 years or so, I will not be able to afford health insurance (around age 60) without the subsidies.

I've come to believe that the current Republican plan for balancing the Social Security deficit is to kill us off before we can collect. Between unaffordable health insurance and the distinct possibility of not being able to collect SS until I'm 70, it's not hard to imagine how one might get that sinking feeling.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 105
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 6/25/2015 5:46:25 PM
ROFLMAO...Without looking I was sure that Thomas followed Scalia and Alito in their dissenting opinion in King v. Burwell. His nose general has a close proximity to their posterior derriere.
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 106
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 6/25/2015 10:52:36 PM
For all who don't know it yet; the SCOTUS has leveled another defeat to the GOp effort to derail the ACA
In a vote of 6 to 3 the SCOTUS up held the ACA, deeming it constitutional!

The GOP, like a bunch of hapless frustrated chumps (losers that they truly are) are again left with serious egg on their faces! I can only hope that the US public wakes up to see through their lame failures!

Considering how shamelessly over-confident they were in thinking it was gonna be brought down
and pompously making suggestions about supplanting their own "health plan" (as though we really believed that they were truly gonna do that) instead!

Its a wonder how many times the GOP has gotten kicked in the crotch over and over, and they don't realize that they are barking up the wrong tree! What is even more satisfying to me is that the Koch brothers were foiled (who bankrolled this effort!)
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 107
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 6/25/2015 10:52:46 PM
..........double post!
 etourdi65
Joined: 8/20/2014
Msg: 108
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 6/26/2015 6:34:16 AM
I understand that ACA advocates are happy with the ruling...but what happens in the future when the text of legislation that you support is concise and understandable and the Supreme court weighs in and says it is ambiguous and overturns whatever it was you supported?
One of the main architects/advisors stated that the statement in question regarding "state exchanges" was purposeful as it was intended to coerce the states into setting up exchanges to receive the subsidies.

The ruling is a bunch of BS Roberts has become the biggest advocate for ACA, he pretty much redirected the Obama administrations arguments before them so that he could justify ruling in their favor regarding the "Fine/Tax"..

The Supreme Court is not supposed to weigh the effects of their rulings, they are supposed judge the Constitutionality of the legislation.
 HFX_RGB2
Joined: 4/14/2015
Msg: 109
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 6/26/2015 6:40:01 AM

...but what happens in the future when the text of legislation that you support is concise and understandable and the Supreme court weighs in and says it is ambiguous and overturns whatever it was you supported?


What happens when you understand your question has no merit, as the Supreme Court does not work like that?
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 110
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 6/26/2015 5:52:44 PM
msg 143 says:



The Supreme Court is not supposed to weigh the effects of their rulings, they are supposed judge the Constitutionality of the legislation.


Did you complain about the way the SCOTUS judged the constitutionality that ruled that there should be no limits to the amounts of political contributions (McCutcheon Vs the Fed suit), under the guise that doing so would be regarded as a violation of free speech (if anyone can believe that tripe!), and of which the GOP couldn't be more ecstatic!

I bet not, but you complain as such when they come out with a ruling that the neocons don't like!
Hypocrisy at its finest!
 Strings6
Joined: 7/14/2007
Msg: 111
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Posted: 6/27/2015 6:40:42 PM
HFX,Complete BS with nothing to back it up...a stupid liberal saying stupid shit
 HFX_RGB2
Joined: 4/14/2015
Msg: 112
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Posted: 6/27/2015 6:44:57 PM

HFX,Complete BS with nothing to back it up...a stupid liberal saying stupid shit


Claim someone is complete bs with nothing to back it up, and in the process do the exact thing you just accused the other person of doing.

Are you some kind of wizard, because that is some high level stuff right there, well-played sir, well-played.
 HFX_RGB2
Joined: 4/14/2015
Msg: 113
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 7/4/2015 7:35:01 PM
When asked why Republicans blocked a bill that would have provided funding to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to study what types of factors lead to gun violence and mass shootings, this was Boehner's response:


"Listen, the CDC is there to look at diseases that need to be dealt with to protect the public health. I’m sorry, but a gun is not a disease. And guns don’t kill people; people do. And when people use weapons in a horrible way, we should condemn the actions of the individual, not blame the action on some weapon. Listen, there are hundreds of millions of weapons in America. They’re there. And they’re going to be there. They’re protected under the Second Amendment. But people who use weapons in an inappropriate or illegal way ought to be dealt with severely."
 8inscrew
Joined: 11/17/2014
Msg: 114
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 7/4/2015 7:41:44 PM
I would say happy independence day to you too, but the queen might be offended.
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 115
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 7/4/2015 10:06:58 PM

I would say happy independence day to you too, but the queen might be offended.

Most Canadians would probably correct you anyway... that's not what it's called here... pretty much on purpose...

, but the queen might be offended.

I'm not sure why you would think the Queen of Canada would be offended... I think she would more likely "understand" why it is you can't get the name right... but be far too proper to express that "understanding" to you publicly...
 BialaPolska
Joined: 5/20/2015
Msg: 116
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 7/5/2015 7:36:22 AM
One would think that a passive attitude allowing despotic rule of one's own land would be equated to welcoming foreign invaders. Not Alpha behavior but Omega? Sadly evident in nations inhabited by those of Anglo , Brit or Celt extraction. The inclusion of an inbred monarchy has done nothing for the citizenry but increase foreign invasion.
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 117
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 7/5/2015 3:00:15 PM

One would think that a passive attitude allowing despotic rule of one's own land would be equated to welcoming foreign invaders.

One might think so... or not... depending... but you will get back to us when you have an example of that... won't you...?
 HFX_RGB2
Joined: 4/14/2015
Msg: 118
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 8/18/2015 10:55:31 AM
in related news:

Four New Studies Show That Fox News' Apocalyptic ACA Predictions Aren't Coming True
August 17, 2015
NICK FERNANDEZ


Urban Institute: ACA Has Had "No Adverse Effect" On Employment Or Labor Force Participation. According to an August 2015 study by the Urban Institute and Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, the Affordable Care Act "had virtually no adverse effect on labor force participation, employment, or usual hours worked per week through 2014"


CDC: Number Of Uninsured Individuals Has Declined By 15.8 Million Since 2013. According to an August report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)'s National Center for Health Statistics, the number of people without health insurance has declined by 15.8 million since the Obamacare's coverage expansion went into effect


Gallup: Number Of States With More Than 20% Uninsured Has Dropped Since ACA Was Implemented In 2013. An August 10 study from Gallup found that today, only one state, Texas, has an uninsured rate of more than 1 in 5 adults -- a significant drop from when Obamacare took effect in 2013 and "there were 14 states in which more than 1 in 5 adults lacked health insurance." According to LA Times' report


CMS: ACA Safety Net To Insure Americans Who Have Lost Insurance Is Working. Huffington Post reported August 13 that according to data released by The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) "almost half a million people have taken advantage" of Obamacare's safety net that provides "a fallback option to people who lose their health coverage during the year"


see full details at:

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/08/17/four-new-studies-show-that-fox-news-apocalyptic/204980
 HFX_RGB2
Joined: 4/14/2015
Msg: 119
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 8/19/2015 9:41:51 PM
Irony or Karma, you make the call:


Volunteer guard at 'Muslim-free' store shoots himself by accident

An armed member of a volunteer group guarding an Oklahoma gun store that recently declared itself "Muslim-free" has accidentally shot himself, according to local media.

The Oktaha store, named Save Yourself Survival and Tactical Gear, drew national attention last week when the manager, an Iraqi vet, declared the new policy in response to last month’s deadly shooting at a military recruiting station in Chattanooga, Tenn.


http://www.kgw.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/19/volunteer-guard-muslim-free-store-shoots-himself-accident/31985223/
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 120
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 8/19/2015 10:21:20 PM
I thought all those stupid-guy-with-a-gun stories happened in Florida. Someone should tell him he should move.
 dragonbytes
Joined: 9/15/2015
Msg: 121
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Posted: 11/15/2016 1:41:18 PM
Rudy Giuliani

Would the NRA and gun rights activist be upset if Rudy Giuliani were selected for either attorney general or secretary of state?

As mayor of New York, Giuliani pressed for national gun registration, advocated bans on assault weapons and high-powered handguns, and birthed the strategy of suing gun manufacturers for negligence.

As secretary of state, Giuliani would be responsible for American policy with respect to international compacts, like the UN’s Arms Trade Treaty.

This is a backdoor to domestic firearms registration.

Is this a concern, should the NRA lobby against Giuliani??
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 122
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 11/17/2016 11:30:26 PM
Maybe that is the role for Romney.

Hooray
 brilliantdiguise
Joined: 10/5/2016
Msg: 123
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Posted: 11/18/2016 9:42:08 AM
So Trump campaigned against HC and her elitist in the Dem party. And Wall Street.

So now he has hauled out all the ugly bridesmaids that have had to sit back and watch over the years...or the ugly step sisters, Fat Christie, lying and cheating Gingrich and Guiliani and made them part of his team...they too are elitists from the GOP. And he is bringing in all the other elitists, has beens, wannabes to fill up his list. Then they will all go suck up to his friends on Wall Street. And they are NO different that what he campaigned against...except they are from the Republican party. And the deplorables are too dumb to see what is happening. Same old/same old rich guys running the country except these guys aren't as clean or as humane.

And the wall is now a fence. The lies continue. And lets toss the trust fund kids on the gravy train government salary too. And we have a First Ho that is an immigrant and can't speak English (or American) as well as their Mexican gardener. Sad.

But, give it a whirl. The country has not fallen apart before under any Dem or Rep government. Other than us wiping out the Indians, we've stayed sort of civilized. JMO.
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 124
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Posted: 3/25/2017 10:28:30 AM

Would the NRA and gun rights activist be upset if Rudy Giuliani were selected for either attorney general or secretary of state?


Because the NRA knows that before Rudy does anything he needs to get paid, so they would have to up the bribe game.
 drinkthesunwithmyface
Joined: 3/27/2012
Msg: 125
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Posted: 3/28/2017 4:10:16 PM
I don't know if anyone's already said this, ain't hardly read anything in this thread, but I just thought of something looking at the title in the thread list...

Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?

The government doesn't provide guns to people. They pay for them themselves. They have the right to own them, but that includes the right/necessity to buy a gun with their own money.

Now...I kinda like the idea of some form of socialistic or communistic healthcare like you find in other nations, but comparing it to guns and how one is a right or privilege in a certain way and another isn't or wouldn't be in that same way...or implying a different meaning by the comparison that isn't there...is a bad way to start that conversation.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 126
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 3/28/2017 4:36:04 PM
it might be better to say, if you operate a car, you have to have insurance. Except that when you go to the hospital, its hard to say, "I don't want to be healed, I choose not to have insurance." And thus the rest of us pay for your lack of insurance.
 drinkthesunwithmyface
Joined: 3/27/2012
Msg: 127
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Posted: 3/29/2017 4:00:45 AM
I think that at the core of all of this, what really makes it a seemingly unreconciled dialogue, is that health care can be so expensive and so education- & technology- invested, and is also so riddled with and further complicated by issues of policy and practice and liability and other such influences which shouldn't affect caring for people's health in the way that they do. We need to begin constructing an alternative model for how the whole system operates so that physicians aren't so in debt for their education and hospitals and ambulances aren't charging so much for their space or services.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 128
Guns a right but healthcare a privelage?
Posted: 3/29/2017 5:47:08 AM
and for the heck of it, let's throw in malpractice claims. I tried helping a friend (who is accruing some high vet bills over her dog) donate a baby crib, and apparently Goodwill wants nothing to do with baby seats or cribs or anything to do with babies, b/c of the liability. When it comes to the health of loved ones, we can easily put emotion in front of logic. When to take Mom off the machine is not nearly as simple as the scientific answer to that question. and politics of course wants to define what is "life" and when it can be taken. Healthcare comes with a ton of emotions, and they too can slow things down and thus add costs.
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