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 Montreal_Guy
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One year after his election, Barack Obama's approval rating is lower at this stage than for any US president since Eisenhower. So why has the optimism surrounding his victory disappeared so suddenly?


Because the American people are in the middle of the worst economic times they've had post-Ww2, and it's hard to be patient when you see that type of misery around you and perhaps even at your doorstep.

That said, none of the blame for the depth of that crash rests on this administrations actions - in fact, they probably staved off a lot worse situation by quick and decisive actions - and took an unpopular position to do it.

Given such a hole dug deeply to start with, I'm kind of amazed that anyone thinks that all the problems could be fixed in twelve months.

Again, Bush spent his entire last term under fifty per cent approval, in far better economic times, and no one on the right seemed to mind at all.
 Wookie50
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Posted: 1/19/2010 8:47:15 AM
Yep, we definitely need Republicans in there to reduce the corporate lobbyist influence Unemployment was 8% when Obama was sworn in. It has stablized and begun a decline. Blaming banks seems like a good idea seeing as how they through the Republicans repealed the Glass–Steagall Act and created the mess by encouraging investing in thin air. And they sat on the government bailout funds while the economy continued tanking.
 Imported_labor
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Posted: 1/19/2010 9:38:45 AM
^^^^ Since you are so interested in defending those that already have plenty of money, why don't you talk more about Wall Street.

What was the Dow Industrial average on January 20, 2009? If you don't know, I should remind you that it was around $7,000. Where is the same average one year later? I think that is over $10,500! Wow, the president must be doing a great job! A fifty percent recovery!

Now, why don't those sharks that are making out like bandits start creating jobs with their profits? Do they want us to give them more money before they will create another job? That would be very funny that we subsidize their profits even further than we have done already.

Why you insist in blaming the president for the lack of creation of jobs? Do you the government to create more government jobs? That is ridiculous!
 hard starboard
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Posted: 1/19/2010 10:26:57 AM

What was the Dow Industrial average on January 20, 2009? If you don't know, I should remind you that it was around $7,000. Where is the same average one year later? I think that is over $10,500! Wow, the president must be doing a great job! A fifty percent recovery!

Your ignorance of the stock market, as displayed in your post, is astonishing.
 Imported_labor
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Posted: 1/19/2010 1:10:52 PM

Your ignorance of the stock market, as displayed in your post, is astonishing.

Why don't you show what is wrong with the post instead of making stupid, useless remarks?
 Wookie50
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Posted: 1/19/2010 4:44:19 PM

seriously do some research instead of getting your info from The Huff.....unemployment was 7.6% when Obama took over he sold stimulus plan on the promise of keeping unemployment under 8%...right the banks failing had nothing to do with Mortgage Backed Securities....not much difference than what Obama did...concentrated most of Congresses efforts on Health Care Reform instead of the Economy while millions more Americans lost their jobs....unemployment is not going down..it will eventually cuz already 16 Million Americans are out of work...


Info would include links and specific claims would it not? Look at who I'm asking. If Obama took over at 7.6% do you really think the momentum would stop before 8%? I'm going to take a geuss and say that you are refering to the Community Reinvestment Act mortages in which you can take a look at this.


Community Reinvestment Act had nothing to do with subprime crisis
Posted by: Aaron Pressman on September 29

The Community Reinvestment Act, passed in 1977, requires banks to lend in the low-income neighborhoods where they take deposits. Just the idea that a lending crisis created from 2004 to 2007 was caused by a 1977 law is silly. But it’s even more ridiculous when you consider that most subprime loans were made by firms that aren’t subject to the CRA. University of Michigan law professor Michael Barr testified back in February before the House Committee on Financial Services that 50% of subprime loans were made by mortgage service companies not subject comprehensive federal supervision and another 30% were made by affiliates of banks or thrifts which are not subject to routine supervision or examinations. As former Fed Governor Ned Gramlich said in an August, 2007, speech shortly before he passed away: “In the subprime market where we badly need supervision, a majority of loans are made with very little supervision. It is like a city with a murder law, but no cops on the beat.”


http://www.businessweek.com/investing/insights/blog/archives/2008/09/community_reinv.html

And no one forced the banks to turn mortgages into a Wall Street gamble.

As far as the healthcare bill goes health costs cause 60% of bankruptcies.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/06/05/bankruptcy.medical.bills/index.html

Sure Obama could do more on jobs but Bush and Co had no job growth compared to Clinton's 22 million.
 hard starboard
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Posted: 1/19/2010 5:37:22 PM
The stock market index levels are commonly referred to in points, not $, even though the numbers are derived from dollars. And to be frank, stating what the DJI was on the day of Obama’s swearing in is just meaningless gibberish. Besides the lows were in March, which may not be so meaningless (certainly didn’t show any confidence in the new Administration).

Stockowners are not “‘sharks making out like bandits”. They are, for the most part, normal working people saving their 401k/IRAs and investing it in mutual funds so that they can have a glimmer of hope for a halfway decent retirement and not become a ward of the State. They are your police/fire/city/state pension funds. Stock values (i.e. 401k/mutual funds) plummeted with the onslaught of the recession, a 50% recovery is hardly anything to wow about and could easily evaporate a lot faster than the whole year it took to get back where it is.

Stock prices are driven by people’s perception of the value (profitability) or decline of an individual company. While the President has no direct control over stock market levels, he and his policies can play a huge role in affecting the perceptions of those who do invest in the market. Uncertainty is not a good thing and that, so far, has defined this Administration (what’s in that health reform bill again? how much is cap and trade going to cost? Etc.)

People who invest in the stock market do not create jobs; they simply invest in companies hoping to make a profit from their investment. It’s the individual companies that create the jobs and expand using the capitalization created by selling a stake in their company as stock. A company is only going to expand and hire people if there is a profit to be made from doing so. Companies exist to make a profit, not to create jobs (those are called Charities). Creating a job is a side effect of a company’s desire to make a profit and the need for another head to make that profit. And if conditions strangle a company’s ability to make a profit then they are not going to create any jobs. That’s just life and getting mad at rich people is not going to change that.
 Montreal_Guy
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Posted: 1/19/2010 10:51:06 PM

"The good news for Republicans in Congress is that President Obama's approval ratings have fallen off the edge of the table," said former Republican political strategist Dan Schnur, who now heads the Jesse Unruh Institute of Politics at USC. "The bad news is that none of those numbers have transferred over to the Republicans."

Indeed, while the president's approval rating has fallen to 50 percent in CBS News polling, approval ratings for Republicans in Congress are hovering around just 30 percent.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/19/politics/main6115332.shtml


Thanks to the current unhappiness in the American heartland in difficult times, both parties are indeed fighting an uphill battle for support. If your ideological opponent is still twenty points ahead of you, that's not necessarily any indication you've captured their imagination...at least yet, anyway.
 Imported_labor
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Posted: 1/20/2010 4:36:51 AM

People who invest in the stock market do not create jobs; they simply invest in companies hoping to make a profit from their investment. It’s the individual companies that create the jobs and expand using the capitalization created by selling a stake in their company as stock. A company is only going to expand and hire people if there is a profit to be made from doing so. Companies exist to make a profit, not to create jobs (those are called Charities). Creating a job is a side effect of a company’s desire to make a profit and the need for another head to make that profit. And if conditions strangle a company’s ability to make a profit then they are not going to create any jobs. That’s just life and getting mad at rich people is not going to change that.


All of that, and also the long three paragraphs before it to say nothing about the post that you were objecting to it, because you really didn't know how to object to simple data that deflates your ideological position and biased opinions about the president.

I wrote about the Dow Industrial average, which means the stocks of the largest industrial companies. Those companies make profits from producing goods and services. Their value has gone 50% during the one year that president Obama has been in office, and that is data that you can't refute. For a brief comparison, let's remember that during the Bush administration, the same average lost nearly 50% of its value.

No wonder you are trying to fabricate all kind of excuses around the issue to avoid recognizing the data as correct.

So why don't you explain how an increase of 50% in the Dow Industrial average is not clear evidence that those companies are making big profits? And by the way, also explain how the 50% increase in value is showing that the current economic environment "strangle a company’s ability to make a profit."
 hard starboard
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Posted: 1/20/2010 6:22:13 PM

No wonder you are trying to fabricate all kind of excuses around the issue to avoid recognizing the data as correct.

Oh, please.

Their value has gone 50% during the one year that president Obama has been in office, and that is data that you can't refute.

I don’t refute your DJI data, it’s easy to look up. I refute your connection of the gains in that period to anything Obama has done because if there had been continuing losses during that same period, you would most surely be saying it was Bush’s fault.

So why don't you explain how an increase of 50% in the Dow Industrial average is not clear evidence that those companies are making big profits?

Just read the financials. Example: BoA just reported a loss of $5.2 billion dollars or .60 a share for the last quarter, yet BoA stock price is up .17 today. BoA stock price is up 127% in the last 12 months. If they are making big profits, why are they reporting losses?
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I got a kick out of a FOX news report today that compared the graph of Obama’s approval ratings for the year with that of the S&P500. It was interesting to see the contrast.
 Montreal_Guy
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Posted: 1/22/2010 9:45:13 PM
Let's see.....Afghanistan .....Bush (as you've seen me post, he didn't really have a choice on this one).

Iraq......totally Bush.



Spent & Approved War-Spending - About $800 billion of US taxpayers' funds spent or approved for spending through mid-2009, including $76 billion requested by President Obama and approved by Congress.

U.S. 2009 Monthly Spending in Iraq - $7.3 billion as of Oct 2009

U.S. 2008 Monthly Spending in Iraq - $12 billion

Lost & Unaccounted for in Iraq - $9 billion of US taxpayers' money and $549.7 milion in spare parts shipped in 2004 to US contractors. Also, per ABC News, 190,000 guns, including 110,000 AK-47 rifles.

Missing - $1 billion in tractor trailers, tank recovery vehicles, machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades and other equipment and services provided to the Iraqi security forces. (Per CBS News on Dec 6, 2007.)

Mismanaged & Wasted in Iraq - $10 billion, per Feb 2007 Congressional hearings

Halliburton Overcharges Classified by the Pentagon as Unreasonable and Unsupported - $1.4 billion

Amount paid to KBR, a former Halliburton division, to supply U.S. military in Iraq with food, fuel, housing and other items - $20 billion

Portion of the $20 billion paid to KBR that Pentagon auditors deem "questionable or supportable" - $3.2 billion

( Plus medical costs for below)

US Troops Wounded - 31,616 through September 30, 2009, 20% of which are serious brain or spinal injuries. (Total excludes psychological injuries.)

US Troops with Serious Mental Health Problems - 30% of US troops develop serious mental health problems within 3 to 4 months of returning home

US Military Helicopters Downed in Iraq - 73 total, at least 36 by enemy fire

http://usliberals.about.com/od/homelandsecurit1/a/IraqNumbers.htm


Plus the cost of a lot of wear and tear on military equipment, which is a huge expense. Over 23 Abrams tanks were destroyed....at about 4.3 million US each. Add to this the incredibly high cost of gasoline for all those vehicles.

We can argue about amounts, but it is no doubt a huge number when you tally it all up.

Plus, you have to add the costs of getting those forces there, and then withdrawing them.

What crashed the US economy was deregulation, which is the mantra of the government. Thanks to the deregulation of the banking industry (and others) the greed of those companies turned banks into casinos - and this time the house lost.

If you look at Canada, which (like many/most Western democracies) kept those types of regulations in place (they were put there after the Great Depression to avoid another meltdown) they fared rather well in this regard.

All this, and a lot more, was done during the eight long years of Bush in office. If you go back and review that "Why the economy is doing so good" thread here, you will see many posters (including myself) speaking about these things long ago.


President Bush expanded the federal budget by a historic $700 billion through 2008.
President Bush began a string of expensive finan­cial bailouts.
President Bush created a Medicare drug entitle­ment that will cost an estimated $800 billion in its first decade.
President Bush increased federal education spending 58 percent faster than inflation
President Bush presided over a $2.5 trillion increase in the public debt through 2008.

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-deficit-vs-obama-deficit-in-pictures/


That's from the Heritage Foundation, a right wing site.

While Bush was digging all these holes, and throwing taxpayers money into it....the right remained essentially silent. It was OK to do that, and that's ironic because the other mantra of the Republican manifesto is less government.

How you can wind up with less government yet a vastly increased deficit (especially in some of those "boom years" under Bush at the start) is a political feat that's quite amazing. On the other hand, Reagan did that as well. No one said a word.....

Seems the only time the right gets worried, is when a Democrat is spending money.
 Hawaiianluau
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Msg: 196
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Posted: 2/16/2010 11:31:23 AM
From-
http://www.resistnet.com/profiles/blogs/6-believe-stimulus-created

6 % believe Stimulus created jobs......who are the stupid 6%????heh

FAIL… Just 6% of Americans Believe Obama’s $787 Billion Stimulus Created Jobs
Monday, February 15, 2010, 8:03 PM
Jim Hoft

In December the Obama Administration announced they had “saved or created” 1.1 million jobs.
In January the Obama Administration announced they had “saved or created” 2 million jobs.
Too bad for Obama that Americans aren’t buying his “saved or created” nonsense.

Just 6% of Americans believe the $787 “stimulus” boondoggle created any jobs according to a recent New York Times/CBS poll.
 MrLove45
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Posted: 2/16/2010 4:40:57 PM
I'm sorry I mean for this one to be posted in this thread ....so :

They've spent the last year talking about Obama being a secret socialist who wants to kill grandmother, who wasn't born in the United States, who is making common cause with the terrorists because he wants to destroy America.]

If I would do a poll and only ask republicans and "independents" if they approve of Obama then I would expect the numbers to not be that great. the bottom line is they are polling him every day and for the republicans to ask why this president hasn't stayed in the high 60% approval rating is absurd....
Considering that he was actually naive enough to waste time on bipartisan pandering instead of getting hard liberal legislation passed is beyond me....
Howard Dean Mr Obama needs you man.....
 newstart1949
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Posted: 6/25/2010 4:50:51 PM
not two years yet


[bold]Obama hits an all-time low in poll[\b]
By JENNIFER FERMINO
Last Updated: 10:33 AM, June 25, 2010
Posted: 1:58 AM, June 25, 2010
President Obama's approval ratings have taken a sharp turn for the worse, with more Americans than ever unhappy about his job performance and an overwhelming majority fearful the country is headed in the wrong direction, according to a poll released yesterday.
Obama's approval rating plummeted 5 percentage points from early last month, down to 45 percent, according to the Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll of 1,000 voters.
For the first time since he was elected, more Americans disapprove of Obama than approve -- with 48 percent giving him a thumbs-down. Only 45 percent approved.
Less than half -- 49 percent -- rated Obama as having "strong leadership qualities," an 8-point drop since January and a 21-point plunge from when he was first elected.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/obama_hits_an_all_time_low_in_poll_y1w4yQP8KbRG5uTxQid8iM?CMP=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME=#ixzz0ruZw5t00
 cotter
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Posted: 6/26/2010 6:11:03 AM
^^^^
Obama hits an all-time low in poll

Do you have an opinion? (That's kind of what we do here in the forums ... we post opinions and/or questions
seeking opinions ... NOT just copy and paste.)

I've never cared one way or the other what some poll says.

Where is the proof that those polls are in any way without prejudice?

Anyone in here ever been polled?

How many people do you know who have been polled?
 hard starboard
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Posted: 6/26/2010 7:33:46 AM
^^

not two years yet

Her opinion was that in less than 2 years his approval ratings have plummeted
(at least for those who care). And they keep dropping... and dropping... and dropping...
I myself have never been polled on the question, but If I were, it still wouldn't help his
numbers any.
 newstart1949
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Posted: 6/26/2010 12:52:09 PM
this is the back up for the Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll of 1,000 voters. it give age race and some other statistics about the people they polled. There are even some other poll questions.
I was told that there are 3 or 4 other polls with almost the same numbers. If i remember correctly Gallup and Rassmussen were 2 of them.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/A_Politics/___Politics_Today_Stories_Teases/June_NBC_poll.pdf
 wvwaterfall
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Posted: 6/26/2010 10:59:15 PM
Ah, yes, polls.

I remember both Kerry and Gore leading in polls very close to the presidential elections they lost. Here in WV Obama was supposedly well ahead of McCain shortly before the election, but lost this state by a landslide.

So to put much weight in Obama polls more than two years away from an election he may or may not even compete in doesn't hold any value to me at all.

In fact, one of the reasons I voted for him was because I thought he'd be more likely to make decisions based on what he thought was right and best for the country and world from the perspective only someone in his position can have rather than based on what the average joe thinks who only knows what headlines and pundits say to base their approval or disapproval on.

How many of you based your vote on how either candidate would respond to the largest oil spill in our country's history?

I made clear before the election that I vote based on my best interpretation of how a candidate will react to inevitable challenges we can't predict when casting our votes, not so much where they stand on the issues of the moment when I'm voting.

I don't agree with everything Obama has done so far, but I'm not sitting where he is, and there remains much I do agree with. If the election were to be held again today he'd still get my vote.

Dave
 MrLove45
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Posted: 6/28/2010 6:36:42 AM
I think I have a faint memory of that former poster Calisto.... I think she like most other tea party,anti-immigration but excusing the people who attract them here by paying them low wages.....lover of the good ole days pre 1964 america had a picture of her and her lovely cats...claimed to be an independent voter who voted for Bush twice...
whatever happened to her....she was the master of polls and getting people exiled who confronted her skewed polling and anti-obamaism.....
 flyguy51
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Posted: 6/28/2010 9:41:05 AM
Ah, yes... the "Democrat" who never voted for Bush or Obama, but opposed everything the Dems did and defended everything the Reps did. It was always "interesting" how things "seemed" to her...
 merelymortal
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Posted: 7/4/2010 2:52:58 AM
I like to believe in polls... especially after taking classes that explain how they work... I get that they are accurate only to about 5 percentage points... or are they?

Some polsters only call land lines... meaning they get callers who are more wealthy, white, old, and female...

Others call everyone... which gets them poorer, minority, young, and female people more often than anyone else...

The first real question is... how much does this affect polling... if the polster knows, and has no agenda on schewing the results... then they must find that and adjust it...

The second real question is... did they adjust it right?

Polling on the president now is kind of pointless... there is still a full year and a half before it really matters. As a liberal, I sort of hope that the Tea Party elects a few crazy republicans this year, and that they make such a loud noise ugly enough so that democrats get excited for the next election. Beyond a dark horse, nobody can beat Obama in 2012.

GM debacle? Who is upset that GM was saved? I never hear anyone upset about that in real life... and I'm in GA! a redist of red states!

Undoing Rice's years of work??? bad... no... Even people here is GA like Clinton as Secretary of State... she's never been more popular... heck if Obama tanks... She might actually have a chance in 2012 if President Obama had to resign for some crazy reason

lol... keep dreaming right-wingers... you are your own worst enemies... if you win... you loose
 newstart1949
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Posted: 8/10/2010 10:21:20 AM
So how many records of Bush Will Obama break... It took GW about 5 years to start dipping below the 50% mark.
I wonder how many other presidents had average disapporval ratings of over 50% in less than 2 years with them still falling.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_oba ma_job_approval-1044.html
RCP Average 7/13 - 8/9 -- approve 44.7 disapprove 50.1
 flyguy51
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Posted: 8/10/2010 1:09:37 PM

So how many records of Bush Will Obama break...

One Bush record that is near impossible to break is his plunge from amazingly high approval ratings after 9/11 to his mid-20's approval ratings at the end of his presidency.

there is still a full year and a half before it really matters.

Yes, the poll that matters is in 2012. My prediction is that Obama will win a second term, but if a Rep gets elected, he will not improve things much, if at all. AND at that point he will be able to blame the Obama administration for making things so hard to improve.

Kinda makes me realize why the Reps ran such a poor campaign in 2008...
 newstart1949
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Posted: 8/11/2010 12:39:01 AM

One Bush record that is near impossible to break is his plunge from amazingly high approval ratings after 9/11 to his mid-20's approval ratings at the end of his presidency.


GW started sliding sometime after he won his second term. That means it took 4 years for him to slide that much, over twice the time of Obama so far.
 flyguy51
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Posted: 8/14/2010 8:28:10 PM

Darth Vader has better odds of being elected than Obama has at reelection.

No, I'd put Obama over Cheney any day of the week.
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