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 Super Ryan
Joined: 9/15/2007
Msg: 28
Obama Supports his Cousin Odinga' Killing of Black ChristiansPage 2 of 5    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5)
You mean FoxNews misrepresented the truth.
Who would have thought?
 Rebel333
Joined: 7/5/2006
Msg: 29
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Obama Supports his Cousin Odinga' Killing of Black Christians
Posted: 8/10/2009 2:47:18 PM
^^^^ Not Fox news. The guy that sent me the email.
 Super Ryan
Joined: 9/15/2007
Msg: 30
Obama Supports his Cousin Odinga' Killing of Black Christians
Posted: 8/10/2009 3:04:43 PM

Not Fox news. The guy that sent me the email

My mistake.
So you mean a right wing e-mail about Obama misrepresented the truth.
Who would have thought?

I'm just trying to encourage people to seek out the truth for themselves, that's why I posted a link to look at the actual healthcare bill.

ALL of the media has its biases, whether left or right leaning.
And the biggest bias they all share: Profit.

Question the actions of others.
Kenneth Gladney is the self descibed "victim" from the townhall fight.
He currently is uemployed and has no health insurance. At the protest at the union hall, he was asking for donations for his medical bills.
This guy is either a delusional hypocrite, or someone is paying for his time.
 ZeesMuset
Joined: 10/23/2007
Msg: 31
Obama Supports his Cousin Odinga' Killing of Black Christians
Posted: 8/10/2009 6:07:13 PM
So you mean a right wing e-mail about Obama misrepresented the truth.


Why the sarcasm? Obama and Company have been clouding the truth for quite some time. Who knows WHERE the email came from. Might have been a joke the liberals were playing.

*whistles innocently*

Why is a roadtripper from Canada - which quite frankly has sub-standard healthcare compared to our current health care - so interested in watching us put the hatchet in our own backs?

Think about it.

I simply don't understand why we can't HAVE a choice! I want to keep my healthcare. Why do I have to take healthcare I don't believe is comparable or will give me the options I have now! Why the FORCING of making ME switch. Do they need my money to pay for non-citizens???

oooops! Did I SAY that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqMKK8AoLCw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxNXv1Aspj8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIV4TwYMyDQ

Three videos showing very clearly what will happen to our healthcare if we are forced to take ObamaCare.

and here... we have a live action of Canadian Health care...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw&feature=fvw

TOP TEN INDICATORS THAT YOUR EMPLOYER HAS CHANGED TO OBAMACARE:

(10) Your annual breast exam is done at Hooters.

(9) Directions to your doctor's office include "Take a left when youenter the trailer park."

(8) The tongue depressors taste faintly of Popsicles.

(7) The only proctologist in the plan is "Gus" from Roto-Rooter.

(6) The only item listed under Preventive Care Coverage is "an apple a day.."

(5) Your primary care physician is wearing the pants you gave to Goodwill last month.

(4) "The patient is responsible for 200% of out-of-network charges," is not a typographical error.

(3) The only expense covered 100% is "embalming."

(2) Your Prozac comes in different colors with little M's on them.

AND THE NUMBER ONE SIGN YOU'VE JOINED OBAMACARE:

(1) You ask for Viagra and they give you a Popsicle stick and Duct Tape.


And more Steve Crowder! See!!!!! Republicans do HAVE a sense of humor. So sad, this is how liberals really think...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9toIlCkcfBA&feature=channel

Okay... I'm done laughing. Niters y'all!
 Super Ryan
Joined: 9/15/2007
Msg: 32
Obama Supports his Cousin Odinga' Killing of Black Christians
Posted: 8/10/2009 7:24:50 PM

Why is a roadtripper from Canada - which quite frankly has sub-standard healthcare compared to our current health care - so interested in watching us put the hatchet in our own backs?

We do not have a "sub-standard" healthcare system. In fact when you look at most measures of healthcare quality, Canada has a better system with better results than the American system.

http://apps.who.int/whosis/data/Search.jsp

We have a lower infant mortality rate, we have a longer life expectancy, and we even have a slightly better cancer survival rate.

And the reason I care, is because I care about people, and I think it is shameful how healthcare is treated as a luxury in the U.S.


I simply don't understand why we can't HAVE a choice! I want to keep my healthcare. Why do I have to take healthcare I don't believe is comparable or will give me the options I have now! Why the FORCING of making ME switch. Do they need my money to pay for non-citizens???

Please show me any passage within the bill that would deny you a choice in your healthcare.


we have a live action of Canadian Health care...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw&feature=fvw

I actually watched this video yesterday. It is pure bs.

To start with, the clinic they visit that is closed, is a dermatologist. Most dermatologist are not open on weekends. However the Ottowa/Hull area (where it was filmed) has plenty of 24/7 walk-in clinics.

Healthy early 20 year olds don't get free cholesterol tests, because they are not nessesary. If a test was warranted, like if he had weight issues or a family history of clogged arteries, he would have recieved it for free immediately.

These fools went to an ER for a fake wrist injury on Canada Day (it's like the fourth of July). Of course they were told to wait, they were not an emergency. Would you prefer someone with a real emergency wait, so a doctor can put a band-aid on his boo-boo.

The tax rates presented are 100% false. Canadians on average pay a slightly lower rate than Americans (and that is all taxes combined).

Although there is a shortage of doctors (caused by the multi-million dollar salaries for American doctors) finding a family doctor does not take 4 years or anywhere close.
I moved to a new province a few years ago and found a new family doctor right away, my choice.
In the video, when they tell him 4 years to find a doctor, it's because a healthy 20 something is not a priority for the program. They expect able bodied people to seek out their own doctors. Elderly people usually get assigned a new doctor within a month or two.

I also like how in the video they allude that the one friend is commiting healthcare fraud.
I assume he is not really commiting the fraud, because you would have to be stupid to admit on video that you are commiting an indictable offence.

They also fail to mention that healthcare in Canada is managed by the individual province.

Since everyone likes to be antidotal, I'll tell you all about my last visit to an ER.
A few years ago I had a bad wipeout while skiing. The ski patrol suspected I might have injured my spine, possible dual femur breaks, and internal bleeding, plus the big gash through my left eyebrow, ya it was a bad fall.
Once I was stabilized, I was brought to the bottom of the mountain where an ambulance was waiting.
When I arrived at the hospital, it was pretty busy with the typical skiing injuries, sprained wrists, broken thumbs, and twisted knees. But because of my situation, I was met at the door by a doctor and two nurses. They quickly made sure I was stable, checked me over for a concussion or dangerous enternal bleeding. About ten minutes later I was under a full body x-ray. The doctor reviewed the x-rays imediately.
Luckly the only thing I broke was a ski, a pair of sunglasses and a medium sized tree.
About twenty minutes later, I recieved 4 stiches through my eyebrow. The doctor wanted me to stay overnight for obsevation, but I decided to leave against his will (I had to sign a form).
So because of how bad I looked (torn ski suit, and blood everywhere) some people had to wait a bit longer. But everyone got the care they needed.

Now here's the funny part of the story. I forgot my wallet at home that day, with my healthcare card.
All I provided to the hospital was my name and address (my ski pass did have my name on it). So a few weeks later I received a bill from the hospital stating I was a non resident.
The bill was for the ambulance ride, full body x-rays, 4 stiches, neckbrace, and all the little things spent on checking me out and the doctors time, the nurses time and the x-ray technitions time, the ski patrol is paid for by the resort.
Grand total $600. How much would an incident like this cost in America?
Lucky for me I am Canadian and simply had to go to the hospital with the bill and my healthcare card. I simply showed both to the receptionist, she hit a few keys on her computer and I was done.
This occured in a small town of about 10,000.

My sister just recently gave birth. She has nothing but positive things to say about her treatment from healthcare. She had tons of visits to her family doctor and her neonatal physician. When the big night came, everything went smoothly. Later at around 12:30am when I showed up, it took only a few minutes for a nurse to wrap up my little nephew for some pictures.

Does this sound like a broken system?

I know Micheal Moore's "Sicko" was dishonest in choosing London Ontario for what is a normal Canadian Hospital (London is a University town, Moore went in the summer when most students are elsewhere), but this PJTV video is blatent lie after blatent lie.
 ZeesMuset
Joined: 10/23/2007
Msg: 33
Obama Supports his Cousin Odinga' Killing of Black Christians
Posted: 8/11/2009 4:38:12 PM
well, I've read all 1000 plus pages of the health care bill.

It's STILL a piece of crap. I'm convinced the liberals are either brain-washed or sharing the same single squished brain cell. I've contacted my congressman and told him I think it's crap and if he votes for it, he'll lose my vote and I intend on contacting my Senator and tell him the same thing. I believe our government can do a better job than this.

What I have and pay for is superior to what will be forced down our throats.

It's okay Rebel. I know what you really meant and won't twist it into something it isn't. I didn't get the email, so I figure it was a chain email started by that 'grassroots' organization.

Still trying to figure out the difference between their 'grassroots' and our 'warmongering'.... looks the same to me.
 ZeesMuset
Joined: 10/23/2007
Msg: 35
Obama Supports his Cousin Odinga' Killing of Black Christians
Posted: 8/12/2009 4:07:07 PM
Actually, it seems today that Obama is mixing a LOT of untruth...

First he claimed that AARP was backing the plan.... and they aren't and have been most vocal that they've not endorsed it.

And then he claimed he's been working with Johnny Isaakson on this... you know, our Georgia Senator???

Johnny says he's not heard a peep from 'our' President.

As for Canadian Healthcare.... I have more than 30 friends who live in canada. Not a one the health care. They come from all walks of life and are spread over quite an age range and range from very healthy to not so healthy. basically, they say it's good... if you're healthy.

I also based my opinion - which you've not changed - on several reports and articles showing that if you have a critical illness, such as cancer, you're waiting list for an mri or anything of that sort, you might be in for a long wait. There is a reason why PRIVATE MRI clinics are opening in Canada... and there is a reason why a lot of Canadians come to the US for medical care, if they can afford it. When four people, I know WELL and personally, tell me there is a quota and if the quota is full, you have to wait until the next year....

That's a pretty crappy healthcare system to me.

As for the insurance... I don't remember what page, BUT the fact is in five years, ALL insurance companies will have to join the US Nationalized Healthcare plan. There will be no private insurance... all are on the plan. It's a one size fits all mentality.

Nope. Not buying it. I'm sorry you're upset you can't convince me and I really do'nt care if I don't convince you. I did read the bill and yeah, it bored me to tears. But I read it very carefully.

I don't like it. There are too many maybe's and what on it. Just too many beaurocracieis to be created and with their fingers in it. Why is the IRS part of it and why do they demand my bank account in order to 'transfer funds'...

See, as much as I hate it, my taxes are going to go up. That Man promised mine wouldn't go up a single dime. But it's going to go up a LOT of dimes.

I don't like that non-citizens get it for free. Why??? Why are they speshul??? They work here too. Why shouldn't they pay for it?

I understand a FEW people are whining about the 'mob' mentality. That's their choice. What they need to realize is that the 'mob' has been referred to for many years as The Silent Majority. We've remained silent because we are aware that everyone has a right to their opinion. You do. So we remained quiet.

We're not going to be quiet anymore. Get used to it. get over it already. It's called 'Free Speech' and last I looked - we still had it.
 Rebel333
Joined: 7/5/2006
Msg: 36
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Obama Supports his Cousin Odinga' Killing of Black Christians
Posted: 8/12/2009 4:45:04 PM
Please show me any passage within the bill that would deny you a choice in your healthcare.


There is none. You would be allowed to keep what your employer gives you if you choose too. Now the kicker, what does it cost your employer to drop your health care? The "fine" would be $750 per year per employee. Much cheaper than covering you. How many employers will continue to pay premiums that far exceed that amount to keep you covered? Or will they "drop" health care coverage, forcing you onto Obamacare to save big money?

Another topic is abortion. Will this system pay for abortion on demand? The Dems say no. But they refuse to put in language that specifically says that. Why? And why the rush to pass this? It took the Obama's almost 6 months to decide which dog to get for their kids. But we have to pass health care reform in 3 weeks? No time to discuss or research? Smells a lot like the stimulus package. Don't give em time to read and understand this. Or they might decide they don't want it. I've asked this before but have yet to get an answer. If this bill is so great why isn't Congress and Co going to par take ?


As for my "blunder" all it amounts to is a mistake on my part for posting something that a friend sent me that I didn't research. I usually do my homework before posting but this time I messed up. It's nothing more than that. For those of you that want it to mean something else all I can say is that by twisting my post to suit your purposes, you lost credibility with me.
 Rebel333
Joined: 7/5/2006
Msg: 37
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Posted: 8/12/2009 4:57:43 PM
Sorry double post.
 Wheresmydog
Joined: 2/23/2008
Msg: 39
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Obama Supports his Cousin Odinga' Killing of Black Christians
Posted: 8/16/2009 2:24:36 PM
wht gets me is Obama trying to lay "blame" for this bill not having passed om republicans, or even the current health care system, on republicans.
IT is yet another political ploy by him to keep him and his fellow democrats in power. See, what he doesnt want your average guy to know is, he doesnt need 1 single republican to vote for this bill, to get it passed. So it must be someDEMOCRATS that are holding it up.
a side nore about the vast DEMOCRAT majority in the house and senate. TAXES for all of us will likely go up, to fund this bill, despite Obamas threats to VETO any tax hike. DEMOCRATS hold a VETO OVERRIDE power all by themselves! Obama knows this, thats why he cvan say, "I WILL VETO ANY TAX INCREASE" hoping the average guy believes him , KNOWING darn well that vetoe would likely get overturned, just so he could "appear" as if he isnt raising taxes. Which for me, will go up in 2010, as the Bush tax cuts will then be expired.( Mine went down from a 28% bracket to a 25% bracket with those Bush tax cuts. Thses democrats must think 40 grand a year is RICH! ) Or they juts like proporting lies to get power.
Another reason why Obama blaming republ;icans is so full of BS.
I don't recall the BUSH admin doing ANYTHING with health care, besides leaving it alone, letting it run on its last reform! GUESS WHO did that 1!!!! OBAMA needas to look no farther than to his SEC OF STATE for that!!! Yessir! HILLARY CLINTON. Granted, her huby got the credit, as he was thr PRESIDENT OF THE USA at the time! By the way folks, THAT policy did take CHOICES away from us! Those HMO's and PPO's told us which doctoras the insurance would cover, and which ones they wouldnt! So I am just refering to a plan, sponmsored by Democrats that has been in practice For over 10 years, that has proven to limit personall choice, as a referance as to how much MORE choice that any DEMOCRATS healht care bill will restrict in REAL LIFE!
MY opinion? Those who want Canada's health care system, shouldnt they just move to Canada?
 ZeesMuset
Joined: 10/23/2007
Msg: 40
Obama Supports his Cousin Odinga' Killing of Black Christians
Posted: 8/16/2009 3:50:47 PM
Most of those ON Canadian Health care, don't want it... Super Ryan not included.

When I went to my townhall meeting with my rep, someone asked him about keeping their own health insurance policy and his response was - yes, for 5 years. After 5 years, your healthcare has to follow the guidelines (IE rules and stipulations) of the government's healthcare and fall under its umbrella.

So yeah... we'd have a choice.... kinda like Communism... you can chose dis guy or dat guy, it's the same party...

It's like the 'death care' policy... funny liberals and dems said it's not there, you're just misreading it... and then there is great show taking it out...

Many years ago, my brother (who makes me look middle of the road he's soooo conservative) said the best way to have this country run by responsible people was to let the liberal/dems have it lock stock and barrell for at least 2 years. Thing is, how long will it take us to dig out of the hole they've put us in in 8 months? No one ever SPENT their way out of debt. And according to current polls, the Majority Senate Leader is up for reelection in 2010 and his position looks very very very precarious. LEt's hope his isn't the only precarious position and we can at least get some of these spendaholics out of Congress and the Senate.
 ZeesMuset
Joined: 10/23/2007
Msg: 42
Obama Supports his Cousin Odinga' Killing of Black Christians
Posted: 8/17/2009 3:38:58 AM
1. Dem's used to be known as 'The Tax and Spend' Party... looks like they STILL are and people are getting tired of it.

2. Actually, ZeesMuset is a spin on my original name here - ZeesMuse. When I re-upped, I didn't want ZeesMuse2 (should read as Zee's Muse or Zee's Musette) so I went with the musette end. Somewhere here, there is a thread on how we got our online nicks and I have a rather humorous post...

Good morning everyone! I'm kinda wondering where our mornin' thread is at. I'm heading to work after being side-lined for 4 days with Vertigo. So not fun....

and 3. Looks as if they are going to be compromising BIG time on this health care package. Scrap and rehaul, folks. The one you tried to shove down our throats is a piece of CRAP! The mob spoke and finally, Big Government listened. The Silent Majority is silent no longer.
 ZeesMuset
Joined: 10/23/2007
Msg: 43
Obama Supports his Cousin Odinga' Killing of Black Christians
Posted: 8/18/2009 3:39:14 AM
Oh, I'm quite sure they're going to try something. I don't trust a one of them any further than I can throw them. The whole thing is so transperent, I don't understand how anyone could buy this pack of crap.

But then I don't understand how anyone can just let Michael Vick go on as if he didn't brutalize a lot of dogs. At least hte Falcons didn't hire him back.
 bitahunni
Joined: 6/16/2008
Msg: 44
Obama Supports his Cousin Odinga' Killing of Black Christians
Posted: 8/18/2009 8:35:11 AM

But then I don't understand how anyone can just let Michael Vick go on as if he didn't brutalize a lot of dogs. At least hte Falcons didn't hire him back.



I think it maybe called "plain ole greed".
 Rebel333
Joined: 7/5/2006
Msg: 45
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Obama Supports his Cousin Odinga' Killing of Black Christians
Posted: 8/18/2009 8:54:30 AM
What Vick did was wrong. And I'm also glad that he's no longer a Falcon. But he did pay a significant price for what he did. 2 years in jail. He had to give the Falcons back $16 million of his signing bonus. He lost millions more in endorsements and now instead making over $10 million a year he'll make barely over $1 million. And because of all the money he owes most of that will be taken to pay his debts. The guy is a thug no doubt but to not let him go back to work would punish his creditors more than him. Besides I hate the Eagles anyway so I now have even more reason to pull against them.

Go Falcons !!!! Now we have a real QB !!!
 ZeesMuset
Joined: 10/23/2007
Msg: 46
Obama Supports his Cousin Odinga' Killing of Black Christians
Posted: 8/19/2009 7:57:46 PM
Rather than make over a million... he should bring home 30K and have to live on that.

Working as a water boy!

Also - did you see, the Obama House disconnected the Tattle Tale Hotline. Guess we got tattled on enough, eh???

back to topic... saw this and thought it was very clear cut and precise...


Dr. David Kaiser. "Something of historic proportions is happening"

He is a professor in the Strategy and Policy Department of the United States Naval War College and has previously taught at Carnegie Mellon, Williams College and Harvard University . Kaiser's latest book, The Road to Dallas, about the Kennedy assassination, was just published by Harvard University Press.


Dr. David Kaiser

History Unfolding

I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus.

Something of historic proportions is happening.. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it.. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two.

We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?

We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine... And that is three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not.

We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy. Why?

We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity.. Why?

We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose?

Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so.

And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big as Wasilla , Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe is more important.)

Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?

I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.

This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life.. In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again.

And that is only the beginning..

As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read it right now.

And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did - regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of course,

How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and .... .. .. change. And the people surely got what they voted for

If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history books..

So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. When Winston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the world came to regret that he was not listened to.

Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course. The road to Hell is paved with them.

As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is transpiring around me...

I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.

I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in the next elections.

David Kaiser
Jamestown, Rhode Island
United States
 Super Ryan
Joined: 9/15/2007
Msg: 47
Obama Supports his Cousin Odinga' Killing of Black Christians
Posted: 8/19/2009 8:55:23 PM
To start with, please stop lying about Canada and Canadians.
Canadian healthcare has almost universal support, yes people would like to see it improved, but almost no Canadians would ever want to see our government heathcare taken away.

We love our healthcare so much, that a few years ago the CBC had a contest to vote for the greatest Canadians of all time.
When the votes were counted (and there were millions of votes), Tommy Douglas was chosen by Canadians as the greatest Canadian ever.
Tommy Douglas was a politician with a long carreer first being elected to office in 1935. He had a very storied carreer fighting for the people.
But what he is best known for, and why Canadians voted him the greatest Canadian, is because he is the father of Candian Universal Healthcare.

If Canadians did not support our healthcare, we would not have voted Tommy Douglas the greatest Canadian.
Tommy Douglas is also Keifer Sutherland's maternal grandfather. But not many Canadians are well aware of this fact.

http://www.cbc.ca/greatest/top_ten/nominee/douglas-tommy.html

I have lived in Canada my entire life, and I have never met one adult who would like to see Canadian healthcare taken away. Trying to argue this fact by claiming some make-belief Canadians makes you look weak and without a real argument.


Dr. David Kaiser

History Unfolding


More blantent lying. I won't blame the poster for lying, just repeating a lie that she should have known better.

If you had done the smallest amount of research, it would be obvious this was written by a nutcase and not David Kaiser (who is not a doctor, and does not claim to be).
I'll just let a website do the talking on that perticular spam message.
http://snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp


From the real Mr. David Kaiser:
The first two sentences, beginning, "For the past thirty years" were of course written by me; the rest of the email was not written by me. Its views are in many ways the opposite of my own.


How many times do these right-wing nutcases need to be proven as liars, before the drones on the right open their eyes.
This is very common on the right. Write some crazy letter that has no real basis in fact, then either make up a fictional expert as the author or claim a real expert wrote it.
No real historian would write the letter above, since it would be a complete embarassment to their reputation.

And comparing the current democrats to the German Nazi Party shows a serious misunderstanding of history, or insanity.
 ZeesMuset
Joined: 10/23/2007
Msg: 48
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Posted: 8/20/2009 3:36:17 AM

To start with, please stop lying about Canada and Canadians.


Wake up and smell the coffee. I'll repeat what I said earlier that you seem to be determined to ignore.

I have a LOT of friends who live in Canada. FRIENDS... that I've known for a long time; certainly much longer than you've been a member of this forum. They come from all walks of life, from various places in canada...

NONE OF THEM ARE FANS OF YOUR HEALTHCARE!

you are the ONLY Canadian I've heard say something good about it.

This past summer, 60 Minutes, a news show here, did a piece on Canadian Healthcare - how if you NEEDED certain medical proceedures, such as an MRI or other necessary care, you could be on a waiting list for so long, months and months, that those who could AFFORD it came here.

As for the letter... where is it wrong? Why is it an embarassment? Or is it simply an embarassment to YOU and the way you think? Did Hitler NOT exist??? Are many of the programs and the 'changes' he enforced not similar to identical the nobama is pushing???? Are the economic situations between the Germany and the US at this time not similar???

As a UNITED STATES CITIZEN, I would NEVER believed that my government would set up a TATTLE TALE LINE to report your grandmother for espousing a differing opinion!!! There are a LOT of things I would never believe of my government that all of a sudden is happening.

I don't expect you to apologize for your opinion. Don't expect me to apologize for mine.
 Rebel333
Joined: 7/5/2006
Msg: 49
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Posted: 8/20/2009 6:32:35 AM
Mr Ryan,

Not knowing much about the Canadian Health care system, I did what you suggested and did a little research via Google. The first article that I came across was this one written by the Canadian Press four days ago.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jbjzPEY0Y3bvRD335rGu_Z3KXoQw

Apparently not everyone in Canada agrees with you on your health care system. Now if you want to argue your point please refer to the article and explain why it's wrong. This system may be good enough for you. That is after all your decision as a Canadian. And I would never attempt to tell you what you should or should not do in Canada. After all I'm not a Canadian. But, I'm not sure that I think it's good enough for me. And that is my decision as an American.
 ZeesMuset
Joined: 10/23/2007
Msg: 50
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Posted: 8/20/2009 5:20:05 PM
It has come to my attention that the person who was given credit for the article I submitted last night wasn't the person who wrote it. At this point, i don't now WHO wrote it... so I'll change the source to 'Author Unknown'...

I still stand behind what it says.

I'm waiting for them to shut my school down for who knows how long. FLu outbreak and bad. We had 140 kids out at the start of day... and I don't now how many were checked out sick before the end of the day. I had 40 kids out of my classes today ... sheesh.
 ZeesMuset
Joined: 10/23/2007
Msg: 51
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Posted: 8/20/2009 7:02:32 PM
Even the new incoming CMA president says the current Canadian Healthcare system MUST be overhauled as it cannot continue in it's present state.

http://www.canadianmedicinenews.com/2009/08/new-cma-president-anne-doig-urges.html

As she says, everyone wants stuff for free and not pay for it.

Well, you get what you pay for!

I was rather interested in her comments about the patient who would need a hip replacement and how long that patient would wait to be seen by the next specialist and how long they would have to wait to have testing done...
 ZeesMuset
Joined: 10/23/2007
Msg: 52
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Posted: 9/20/2009 9:18:02 AM
Yes Girly... the pond, she is a-changin' and NOT for the good.

I remember when this place was fun and discussions were fun and no one took offense if we disagreed. That's the true definition of being tolerent. Ohwell, there are other places to play and most of my friends know where I can found A LOT! LOL!!!!

Yeah, Canada would be a very nice vacation, and sadly you can catch swine flu down here where I work. Also... a friend of mine lives in St Louis and he told me the St Louis Children's hospital has a 30 - 35% population of canadian children who can't get the care they need up there and it's a consistant population.

ah well.

Right now, I'm trying to find a link to the new 'plan'... thing is from what I'm hearing, hard - core Socialists are pissed because they think it doesn't go far enough and don't want it in its current form and all Republicans and Congressional leaders who are concerned about their jobs because they are listening to their constituents thinks it goes too far and I'm praying the thing fails.

Joe Wilson told the truth - Obama lies!!!
 imalwayssmiling
Joined: 7/17/2009
Msg: 53
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Posted: 10/8/2009 4:32:20 PM
absolutely nonsense,research your story before you print it !
 imalwayssmiling
Joined: 7/17/2009
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Posted: 10/10/2009 9:00:11 PM

It's my understanding that the gov't now expects us to pay for our own health care or go to jail.
You need a new source of accurate information.You will not go to jail,Obama clearly stated if you were unable to pay for the health plan your required to have thats where the federal help comes in to help you.I'm about sure you'd go to jail,your way sounds very dramatic though,just sayin !
 imalwayssmiling
Joined: 7/17/2009
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Posted: 10/10/2009 9:31:28 PM
Oops,I just noticed your a Georgia only thread so I am restricted to participate here,I got banned for 5 days doing just this same thing last year,Sorry,it was an honest mistake,please accept my apologies,you folks enjoy your weekend !
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