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 ZeesMuset
Joined: 10/23/2007
Msg: 82
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First, I recall you asked WHY we went after Saddam... or some such... and I answered it.

Second, I believe I also informed you sometime back that we tend to wander off the topic quite often. We are a tight knit group and a lot of us KNOW each other. We've been to each others homes. This isn't the globals, which I could say a LOT of negative things about, but won't. We're more relaxed. So we're not sticklers about some things... if we were, we'd be griping about your roadtripping. You naughty boy, you!

Last... this was a dead thread until a Liberal took pot shots. I find it amusing that Liberals will PREACH 'tolerance'... as long as it is us tolerating their ideas. When the shoe is on the other foot, it becomes obvious that Liberals don't know the true meaning of tolerence.

We have our extremists and our occasional crack pot, but so do you guys. Right now, we are forced to tolerate a President who:

1) Refuses to prove his citizenship. Don't give me that crap about his Hawaain birth certificate... it's not the kind they used for ON LAND births in 1961. Not to mention he went a -traveling in the 1980's that we didn't issue passports to, so WHOSE passport did he use????

2) has shown over and over that he is determined to make us a rug to our enemies.

3) will hand our heads to the UN

4) is determined to disarm us... (and oh yes... there is a very quiet bill that they hope will quietly pass through the Houses in 2010 that will put a UN treaty over our Constitutional Rights and will force us to disarm. Be honest - what kind of MORON proposes we disarm when a Communist Country who has vowed to destroy us is shooting nukes in the air???

I'm' sorry Spacey's post upset you so much. Most people who think it's bunk would ignore it and allow it to get buried in the list and not revive it over and over and over. And what IS the reason for reviving it? So you can beat a dead horse? Truth is, Barack was raised in Kenya, has Kenyian relatives and quite frankly doesn't have our best interests at heart. It's obvious you've been drinking the koolaid.

Georgia is a conservative state and all your yabber isn't going to change our minds. Your arguments do NOT make sense. Bigger government does not work. Socialism does not work. Robbing Peter to bail out Paul doesn't work. Whether or not Obama has relative dicators who are murdering people is truly a moot point and smoke that probably some Liberal started to watch it burn out of control. Most rumors have a basis in fact anyway.

 imalwayssmiling
Joined: 7/17/2009
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Posted: 12/1/2009 10:12:49 PM
Yes I did ask why,and I so disagree with your answer,except for all of us glad he's dead.

Secondly I understand the wander and merely stated I wish we got back on track !

You talk as if a liberal is all in one big bowl of stereotype,I'll try not to make that generalization with you right wingers and conservatives ok.

Forced to tolerate a president,should read darn lucky to have this president,goodness what do you want him to do next walk on water !The birth thing has long been settled its funny a very very small handful don't think so.

He has over and over shown he thank god has balls to talk face to face with ones Obama never had the nerve to talk to,diplomacy and understanding our enemy if not done through Bush style of talk to the hand,its refreshing to finely find a man able to thread the waters with ease.

Disarm,good god, he is not ! where do you get this stuff.

I have talked to many from Georgia that disagree with your stereotype that Georgia is a conservative state,I know you conservatives wish you all were,but its not not true,some there wish your extreme ones would move to a new state.

My arguments come from fact,and your going against fact with birther nonsense even esp seeming to know what Obamas relatives interests are,thats really heavy on the opinion,your showing me you love to stereotype and you go a lot on your opinion.

No, big "past" government does not work,that was before Obama changed the way things go,we saw and see what happens when private business is in charge,the banks,the medical industry,its all about the bottom line and we don't factor into it,somehow the right wingers seem to be ok with that,because they are the only ones that thinks thats ok.Its funny that the side that ruined us over 8 years are the ones that say ,oh,listen to us on how we can fix this.

Only a conservative can throw out the socialism word so much,most our country is steeped in socialism,our police,public schools,fire department,the VA,medicare ,medicaid,ect ect. I don't think adding a public option to a existing crooked privatized insurance based excluding almost everything as a pre condition counts as turning into Socialism.

Right, like a liberal started the ignorant slam on Obama murdering black kids,sure probably a liberal,whats comes out of your mouth sometimes, sweet pea,we both know its what might come off an Aryan nation website.

Yes I read the other so called liberal,like its a fraternity,its not like a thread is dead,if the topic hit mainstream news it would be laughed at.if you just got here,read it,speak,there is no need to act like the guys an idiot because the thread is old.Anyone reading this topic will pounce on the OPs with all fours,its the kind of bunk a Klan member would write,so everyone will come out and say,my god,OP,your believe this crap !

I followed that two way attack the lone liberal against the normal and the extreme.he was a bit different wasn't he,had some true facts though,some of you responded normally and others did no more than call him names and throw rocks at him,real neighborly !

Most rumor and gossip usually was purely made up .
 Rebel333
Joined: 7/5/2006
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Posted: 12/2/2009 8:40:56 AM

Am I upset with both Bushes,yes, and why junior,first he flew out the whole Laden family when every plane was grounded ,every plane in the country,but Ladens fly out,odd huh,and who do cops first interview when someone is murdered when you know the murderer ,his family,cops don't fly them out of the country so they can't be grilled,and then I'm upset because we had Bin Laden in our gun sights and like his father he decided to not take him out,the rest is history and we will spend hundreds and hundreds of billions getting him in our sights again,how many will die before then?


Where do you get your information from? Micheal Moore movies? The Bin Ladens got no such special treatment. Follow this link.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp

As for the chance to take out Bin Laden it was Clinton that had the best chance before 9/11 and choose not to because of fear of world opinion.

Also, it's funny how you start a post with

This has nothing to do with Odinga so I hope we get back on track

Then ramble on about everything from the Seattle cop killings to who should have taken out Bin Laden.
 Rebel333
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Posted: 12/2/2009 8:53:56 AM

The birth thing has long been settled its funny a very very small handful don't think so.


Please explain? It is my understanding that while this has been in court Obama has refused every summons to produce the original long form birth certificate and no case has been decided in his favor. Instead the cases were thrown out on the basis that the plaintiff did not have sufficient standing to bring such case. Even if he is a citizen (Which I believe he is) that does not confer natural born status. One of the clauses of natural born status is that he could not have ever been a citizen of another country. (Which I believe he was.) Arnold Schwarzenegger is a US citizen but he can never be POTUS as he does not have natural born status. You intelligent people that want to laugh at us ignant birthers need to at least understand what you're talking about. The short form birth certificate that Obama supporters want to tout as proof wasn't even good enough for my insurance co to accept to include my son on my health insurance. They had to have the real thing !
 ZeesMuset
Joined: 10/23/2007
Msg: 86
Obama Supports his Cousin Odinga' Killing of Black Christians
Posted: 12/2/2009 5:41:02 PM
Forced to tolerate a president,should read darn lucky to have this president,goodness what do you want him to do next walk on water


You can't be serious! This moron has spent more money in 10 months than how many presidents in how many years combined??? Darn lucky he hasn't learned what comes after a trillion....

Walk on water? No. How about stop spending every dime I'm going to make, you're going to make, our children, grand children, great grand children... etc... will ever pray to earn...

I'll go puke now. No wonder this country has gone to hell in a handbasket...


He has over and over shown he thank god has balls to talk face to face with ones Obama never had the nerve to talk to,diplomacy and understanding our enemy if not done through Bush style of talk to the hand,its refreshing to finely find a man able to thread the waters with ease.


That sentence is positively illiterate, but I think i've figured out what you're trying to say.

It is one thing to talk to our enemies; it's another to pander to them, kiss them, bow to them... what's next??? Curtsy to China??? Sorry, but whatever balls the man has, he kinda cut off there. One gave him a book on the merits of Socialism...

One does NOT negotiate with terrorists.


Disarm,good god, he is not ! where do you get this stuff.


I have a good CONSERVATIVE friend who is a member of Liberal Royalty. Let's put it this way, When Capn' Teddy died, she refused to discuss anything regarding him... especially his personal life (which I totally respect!) Either way, the main topic at Thanksgiving dinner with the family was the disarming of America and how it would done next year quietly through the UN and the ways they could circumvent and nullify the Constitution...

So I guess you could I got it from the Horse's Mouth.

SCORE!



I followed that two way attack the lone liberal against the normal and the extreme


We didn't attack. We responded. You don't like our answers? we don't like yours. Let's agree to disagree and get over it already. This is a Conservative State. Funny thing is, until the last couple of elections, it was a Liberal State. Don't you wonder why a staunch Democratic State for well over 125 years would suddenly turn to the Republican Party?

You were mocking and rude. The thread was dead and 'someone' chose to resurrect it in order to poke fun.

I had a wonderful conversation on another board on another website and we talked about the years the Democratic Party has conviently forgotten. They supported Slavery... fought strongly against freeing the slaves... when they lost war, the Democratic Party was the one who introduced and passed the Jim Crow laws and did all they could do to continue enslaving a specific race and culture of people. As they began to lose toeholds and power, they came up with a new way to enslave a people... simply have the government give them all they need.

And so we have subsidized housing and Welfare that wasn't supposed to be permanent and Social Security for those who didn't pay for it and free cell phones and food stamps and aid and more aid and gee, we've given you everything, why bother working... and now we're going to give you FREE health care and let someone else pay for it and it doesn't matter if you're a citizen or not...

Anyone with an IQ of two digits knows that if you have a government that can give you everything need, you therefore have a government who take away EVERYTHING you have.
 imalwayssmiling
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Posted: 12/3/2009 12:15:26 AM

The Bin Ladens got no such special treatment.
Nonsense that was national news as it happened,it was on all the channels as it unfolded.


This has nothing to do with Odinga so I hope we get back on track
You can't have it both ways ,you two ask all these questions then give some non factual rebuttals and them expect it to go unanswered.


Please explain? It is my understanding that while this has been in court Obama has refused every summons to produce the original long form birth certificate and no case has been decided in his favor.
This is hard to fathom,the Justice department already said everything was cleared,yet you two actually still believe if he was some foreigner they would allow him to hold the highest office in the land,are you two kidding me ,I even know one of the extreme right wing websites you probably got your story from.Oh let me guess you don't trust our judicial system so they must be liars,geez Louis people


You can't be serious! This moron has spent more money in 10 months than how many presidents in how many years combined???
Really I don't remember any brink of the great depression in the last 7 decades,sure if we for decades neglect to repair any of our infrastructure,it will cost any president that tackles it.Oh see that major bank is paying off their 54 billion dollar loan.Your argument is weak and as if you have blinders on


it's another to pander to them, kiss them, bow to them
oh I see this is not about serious matters its more about totally petty items like respect to a countries leader.Do you actually think we would ever stand a chance of ending communism in Cuba or China,ect. if we marched in there and threw our weight around like a punk kid would do,played the ugly American card.When we had Katrina,Cuba offered us aid and personnel and Bush wouldn't even give them an answer ,what an ***hole,it all starts there,some call it an olive branch,at a minimum he could have said your jesture is wonderful but we have it covered thank you,only someone completely ignorant would not keep an open channel with his enemies,escalate it and there more apt to push the button and send a missile rather than hold off and think about it,This point is stupid,this is psychology 101,its over your head,you would rather glare at them and piss them off like thats productive.


I have a good CONSERVATIVE friend who is a member of Liberal Royalty. Let's put it this way, When Capn' Teddy died, she refused to discuss anything regarding him... especially his personal life (which I totally respect!) Either way, the main topic at Thanksgiving dinner with the family was the disarming of America and how it would done next year quietly through the UN and the ways they could circumvent and nullify the Constitution...

So I guess you could I got it from the Horse's Mouth.

SCORE!
Oh thats proof,we'll see ,I say its more sky is falling talk,your sides arguments is mainly based in fear.
We didn't attack. We responded.
there you go putting words in my mouth,Isaid some were normal,that means normal responses and others threw rocks,you have a few contributors here that only come out to say something totally mean.I also think you have had very mean responses also,no thread is dead to someone that just joined this site,That mans responses were fine coming onto a thread that was titled like the Klan wrote it,it would have been appropriate for someone in a higher authority to make sure the source of the story was not a racist website.You once said he hadn't acted codjulal or something to that effect,I read all your response when he said the forums weren't for him,adios and you all hive fived each other and stated how easy it is to run off a liberal,why would someone want to be cordial when if they read some of your words you beg for a challenge,after all most your points are fear based opinion rather than fact.
Anyone with an IQ of two digits knows that if you have a government that can give you everything need, you therefore have a government who take away EVERYTHING you have.
more proof,fear based,we are far far far from the government giving us everything,far from being socialistic,hey but it sounded good,a lot of grandmas are now telling their girlfriends the government going to take everything away,they read that somewhere.One of our problems is the bulk of this country "has" a two digit IQ and they vote and go the town hall meetings yet they are reactionary and many don't see the broad picture and some are a lot more apt the listen to those they know are smarter than them with all the fear talk,like that crap that Obama meant death to our grandparents because he was taking away their Medicare,total fear based bull.Oh but the paid for medical lobbyists said so and so did the paid by the lobbyists politicians against health reform.As for that slavery crap,sure go back a hundred or two hundred years and all the countries were different,heck just go to the sixties and life was sheer hell if you were a black person living in the south.I prefer to deal with the now,never forget the past,but deal in reality not the fear of the sky is falling all the conservative and republican talk has been fear,as if the ones that ran us into this problem now seem to have ESP,if their ESP was so good why didn't they know there majority rule was ruining us,yet we are to listen to their rants now.
 imalwayssmiling
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Posted: 12/3/2009 6:05:20 AM
Seems there is no interest in others wanting to talk about this Odinga topic,and since I am on like 15 Obama threads that pertain to what we sidetracked to and that this one has become a tag your it and I don't see it it going back on track because really a racist web story gets called 0ut in the first few posts and its over. Your all more than welcome to come on to the many threads away from this one that talks precisely on the topic we're talking now.It doesn't matter why this is sidetracked,it is derailed and has been for several dozens of posts,adios see you on a "on" topic Obama thread,you of course will be the minority,that's how your able to be on a birther topic because your staying in your neighborhood,that topic ended on the threads 8 months ago,when your side learned the facts showed it was a hopeless fight..
 Rebel333
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Posted: 12/3/2009 7:41:14 AM
I love your logic smilie. I say the Bin Ladens got no such special treatment and provide backup from a respected source and you respond with, you're wrong!! I go into detail about Obama's right to be president and again all you have is you're wrong. I know more than you. Just don't ask for any proof. It goes much deeper than whether or not he's a citizen as I tried to explain but you couldn't understand. Please do more than whine about not liking my answers if you can.

But I will agree that ousting Obama, even if he is illegal, is a hopeless fight. He is above the law. After all he can refuse a summons from the court system. If this weren't true he'd just produce his original long form birth certificate and end all the speculation.
 Super Ryan
Joined: 9/15/2007
Msg: 90
Obama Supports his Cousin Odinga' Killing of Black Christians
Posted: 12/3/2009 10:22:11 AM
This is a Conservative State. Funny thing is, until the last couple of elections, it was a Liberal State. Don't you wonder why a staunch Democratic State for well over 125 years would suddenly turn to the Republican Party?


had a wonderful conversation on another board on another website and we talked about the years the Democratic Party has conviently forgotten. They supported Slavery... fought strongly against freeing the slaves...

Wow, what a strange interpretation of history.

Most people with any clue about American history are fully aware that the dems used to be pro slavery and anti equal rights. And the repubs were the ones who fought to free the slaves.
But that drastically changed in the 60's. The dems became pro civil rights and the repubs took up the southern strategy. This is also the exact same time that Georgia started voting for republican presidents, with the only exceptions being when a southerner ran for president (Carter and Clinton), and in 1968 when Georgia voted for independant George Wallace.
http://www.270towin.com/states/Georgia

Don't you wonder why a staunch Democratic State for well over 125 years would suddenly turn to the Republican Party?

Not really. It seems pretty obvious why Georgia turned republican. Racism!

You can't be serious! This moron has spent more money in 10 months than how many presidents in how many years combined???

You have demanded a source for everything I have written. So back this claim up with a reputable source. I know you phrased it as a question, but the simple fact is both Bushes sit at #1 and 2 for presidential spending.
Obama does hold the record for most spending in the first year of a presidency, but most of it was to fix W's huge mistakes.

It is one thing to talk to our enemies; it's another to pander to them, kiss them, bow to them... what's next???

When has he ever pandered, kissed or bowed to an enemy of the U.S.
He has shown respect towards American allies, but never anything to your enemies.
And since the president of the U.S. is considered a civilian, it is proper for him to yield to royalty. I know a lot of Americans disagree with that, but that's how the world usually works.

Anyone with an IQ of two digits knows that if you have a government that can give you everything need, you therefore have a government who take away EVERYTHING you have.

Having a double digit IQ means you are somewhere between average and a vegetable.
But most people who have studies economics or world history knows that it does not matter how you gained your wealth, the government can take it away anyways.
Remember the Japaneese interment camps during WWII.
But right now, Americans are losing everything they spent a lifetime aquiring to rediculous health care bills.

It is my understanding that while this has been in court Obama has refused every summons to produce the original long form birth certificate and no case has been decided in his favor.

He has never been ordered to appear. And the reason why he has never shown up to these court dates, HE'S THE FREAKING PRESIDENT. He has much more important things to do then fight frivolous lawsuits that have no merit.
He was required to prove his citizenship before he could run in the primaries. He has provided his state issue birth certificate.
If there were any truth to the birther movement, don't you think the republican party would be spending every nickle they had to oust him. Look at how much money they wasted proving Clinton got a blowjob.
But where the birther story really falls apart, is the idea that some shadowy group arranged the birth announcement in the papers, snuck a fake birth certificate into the Hawaiian registry, and fixed the election so "socialist" Obama could win. Why would this shadowy group not just choose someone that does not need so much covert operations.

If this weren't true he'd just produce his original long form birth certificate and end all the speculation.

He did provide his birth certificate, the only type that the State of Hawaii gives out.
He made the effort to appease the crazies, but at some point he had to say enough is enough.
Some more questions to the birthers.
Why would Obama's parents travel to Kenya (they were both residents of Hawaii at the time of his birth) to give birth to Obama? Why would anyone on Earth decide to have their son born in Kenya instead of America? And why would they then try and fake an American birth?

One of the clauses of natural born status is that he could not have ever been a citizen of another country. (Which I believe he was.)

I'm not sure that any clause exists about that issue.
But what evidence is there that he was a citizen of another country. And if it did happen before his 18th birthday, would it not be null and void. I thought minors were not allowed to enter into contracts (which a citizenship is).

Now since there has been some talk about people on the left being rude and insulting, let's look at some of the inflametory speech from people on the right in this thread.


Good grief! Not another liberal puke - and a Canuck at that. Let me guess Super, you've lived off of somebody else's tax dollars all your useless life.


It's time for the military to take over and clean out the Chicago mob and their corrupt kool-aid drinking cult followers.


You might even get a reward paid out of tax dollars - instead of a family getting to keep it to buy food. Talk about a social parasite!


You know, I love my Liberal friends... but I wish they would STOP sharing the same brain cell!


Liberal whiney butts to the core


So sad, this is how liberals really think...


I'm convinced the liberals are either brain-washed or sharing the same single squished brain cell.


I'm thinking they are all Borg rejects - collectivism without intelligence. One lies and they all swear to it.


They are following a doctrine of genocide


Too many big words for him Zee.


typical Liberal


we DO have a bunch of socialists in office


But it's so fun to make liberals whine


What the Dems have going for them, is they have the YOUNG in their pockets. I call them 'The Entitlement Generation'... I'm entitled to this, I'm entitled that, you owe me this, I deserve that... and nowhere is a work ethic involved.


He loves the thought of killing babies so much, maybe his murderous instinct is just an inherited trait in his family.


Typical signs of liberalism disease. No cure for it.


There is nothing more pitiful than a scared Liberal with his tail tucked between his legs trying to take everything down they can.


You're the same as every other liberal I've ever met. You can dish it out, but you can't take it.


It was obvious from your first post that you were another run-of-the-mill liberal puke. I couldn't care less what your opinions are, so I have no reason to waste my time debating with you. We'll see how long your socialist heroes can hold on to power.


which quite frankly has sub-standard healthcare compared to our current health care

I will start by giving credit to Rebel333 for being the only person on the right on this thread who did not insult posters on the left, I still disagree with most of his statements, but at least he held his head high while making those statements.
But the statements above scream of bigotry, intolerence, and ignorance.

First off, don't think it didn't go unnoticed that you went a-hunting until after you received flack for your source.

I just wanted to add this one because I thought it was funny. I made no attempt to hide the fact I seeked sources after wikipedia was questioned. But not one person offered any source to prove that I may be wrong. In fact certain posters continued to demand sources for everything I wrote without ever offering a reliable source to prove me wrong.

And in case some of you have not figured it out, POF is a Canadian site.
 Rebel333
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Posted: 12/3/2009 2:55:16 PM
But what evidence is there that he was a citizen of another country. And if it did happen before his 18th birthday, would it not be null and void. I thought minors were not allowed to enter into contracts (which a citizenship is).


I'm a citizen of the US. Always have been. Was at age 1 day. I did not enter into any contract with anyone to get it. Now:

Either Obama is hiding something or he thinks that he's above the law. Hawaii would have a long form BC if he were born there. The short form BC that he uses is used by Hawaii to convey US Citizenship but not necessarily Natural born citizenship. It does not state where he was born. People that adopted foreign born children were issued these short BC's at that time. Philip J. Berg contends that Obama's mother was near the end of her term and had Obama in Kenya before coming to Hawaii and applying for the short form BC that you see online and placing an ad in the local paper announcing his birth. This was not uncommon in Hawaii in 1961. NOW PLEASE READ CAREFULLY! HE IS A CITIZEN! HE MAY NOT BE A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN FOR SEVERAL REASONS ! A CITIZEN CAN HOLD ANY OFFICE OTHER THAN PRESIDENT OR VP. THEY HAVE TO BE NATURAL BORN CITIZENS THAT NEVER RENOUNCED THEIR CITIZENSHIP. The thing that causes me to wonder is that this is an issue that he could easily resolve but for some reason he chooses not to.
 imalwayssmiling
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Posted: 12/3/2009 3:53:46 PM
Rebel,look my friend,I am not debating you on this birth because Obama has already gone through the steps necessary,you and I were not there,look its like when I went to the post office applied for my passport got my passport pictures,My birth certificate which is a copy of the original ,but we drove all the way to Washington ,my birth place,to have them verify it 20 years ago and they put a gold notarized sticker on the copy.That got me my passport and it got me in and out of the country several times when passports were not required.I did not need to know the names nor the method the government passport people passed me.Obama had to go through the same set of governmental procedures.He was not sent photos of the men and woman with thumbs up nor a play by play on how and why they passed him ,they did,Thats all I need.

The main reason you and I did not debate this is because I am trying my hardest to leave this thread and go to on topic threads,at some point one or all of us need to leave any questions unanswered to end this off topic,this will be my last time off topic,I will watch and wait for anything about Odinga , and if it doesn't happens then it doesn't,my other reason for not debating is that there already has been the long drawn out birther debates on this site,I felt that was sufficient ,thought that was water under the bridge its been so long.I'm not trying to be a jerk,just want to speak in the appropriate places and realize I greatly contributed also to the continuation of being off topic,Happy trails,see you on the correct thread on anything pertaining to Obama and see you back here if its Odinga !
 Rebel333
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Posted: 12/3/2009 5:21:31 PM

Rebel,look my friend,I am not debating you on this birth because Obama has already gone through the steps necessary,you and I were not there,look its like when I went to the post office applied for my passport got my passport pictures,My birth certificate which is a copy of the original ,but we drove all the way to Washington ,my birth place,to have them verify it 20 years ago and they put a gold notarized sticker on the copy.That got me my passport and it got me in and out of the country several times when passports were not required.I did not need to know the names nor the method the government passport people passed me.Obama had to go through the same set of governmental procedures.He was not sent photos of the men and woman with thumbs up nor a play by play on how and why they passed him ,they did,Thats all I need.


Once again your response contains nothing of substance. Just blind acceptance. Do you even know which agency of the government is responsible for verifying eligibility for the office of POTUS? As for not debating me and leaving the thread that is of course your choice. To be honest I really don't know if OBAMA is legit or not. But I'm not in favor of a president that ignores court summons. And I do wonder why he won't just release the original long form birth certificate and state for the record that he is no longer a citizen of Kenya and was never a citizen of Indonesia. Please don't show that you haven't done any research on this by saying that he was never a citizen of Kenya. He was by British law a citizen of what is now Kenya due to the fact that his father was a citizen when he was born. Thats true even if he was born in Hawaii.
 imalwayssmiling
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Posted: 12/3/2009 5:49:50 PM
I trust in our system,if the feds cleared him as a citizen of the USA ,and eligible to be a president,thats all the proof I need.I realize its complex to you but its not to me,I need nothing more than that,sorry rebel
 Super Ryan
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Posted: 12/3/2009 7:41:23 PM

Once again your response contains nothing of substance.

Funny, I was thinking the same about your posts.

To be honest I really don't know if OBAMA is legit or not.

If you do not know, why do you keep making claims that he is not?

But I'm not in favor of a president that ignores court summons.

He has not ignored any court orders. Not a single judge has made any requests for President Obama to appear in court.
Simply because a few moron lawyers have attempted to bring lawsuits, does not mean the president has been summond to court.
The cases are so frivolous and without juristiction or reasonable attatchment, that Obama has not been required to make any defense, whatsoever. They have all been thrown out of court without any need for arguments or testomony from Obama or even his attorneys.

And I do wonder why he won't just release the original long form birth certificate

Because it does not exist. At least not what you are asking for.
The state of Hawaii only issues one type of birth certificate. It is called a "Certificate of Live Birth", and they only issue them to people who were born in Hawaii. Notice how it says live BIRTH.
Maybe the state did offer long form in the past, but they no longer do. Only the certificate of live birth. If Obama had one and lost it, he would not be the first person to lose one, and does not disqualify him from being president.

and state for the record that he is no longer a citizen of Kenya and was never a citizen of Indonesia.

He has stated several times that he is American and has always been American.
Do you need him to hold a joint house meeting to announce it again, or maybe you need him in your living room telling you he is American.

He was by British law a citizen of what is now Kenya due to the fact that his father was a citizen when he was born.

No, this is completely wrong.
First he would have only been offered citizenship in Kenya, there is no evidence he ever took it.
And do you really think it is a good idea for your government to allow any country to disqualify a presidential candidate, simply by claiming them as a citizen.
If you have any evidence that he was ever a citizen of another country, please show me, I will gladley look.
But so far all I have seen is a questionable form from a school, and the worst fake Kenyan birth certificate.

Either Obama is hiding something or he thinks that he's above the law.

Again, he is not ignoring any court orders.
And stating he is hidding something, simply because you want to not believe anything he says, is seriously flawed logic.
He has been pretty up front about his life. He is a product of the America's highest standard of education. He was not required to display his birth certificate for public scrutiny, but he did. And there needs to be a point where he ignores the fringe element that will not except anything but a conspiracy theory.
He is your president, do you really want him wasting any time on something that has no merit?
Just imagine for a second that he is in fact a natural born American citizen, fully eligible to hold the office of the presidency. How much time and resources do you want him to spend on the issue?

The short form BC that he uses is used by Hawaii to convey US Citizenship but not necessarily Natural born citizenship.

Again, this is completely wrong. The states attorney general has stated on all the news stations, back during the election, the a certificate of live birth is ONLY given to people who were born in the state.

People that adopted foreign born children were issued these short BC's at that time.

No, they do not issue certificates of live birth to children adopted from other countries, but I hate to tell you, Obama was never adopted by his American mother.

Philip J. Berg contends that Obama's mother was near the end of her term and had Obama in Kenya before coming to Hawaii and applying for the short form BC that you see online and placing an ad in the local paper announcing his birth.

I need to ask one more time (since nobody in the birther movement have ever answered).
Why would Obama's parents choose to have him born in Kenya?
Even back in the early 60's, everyone was aware that an American citizenship is worth a heck of a lot more than a Kenyan citizenship. By your own postings you have claimed he would be offered Kenyan and British citizenship if he were born in America.
Why would his parents do it?

Philip J. Berg

Really, Phillip J. Berg?
I guess Orly Taitz doesn't quite impress anyone any more.
Weren't you the one a few posts ago fighting against the 9/11 conspiracies.

Phillip J. Berg is one of the biggest jackass lawyers in America.
Berg is the idiot lawyer who tried to sue Bush and 155 other parties, under RICO statute, for Sepetember 11th.
Berg tried to argue that Bush, and not Al Queda, were responsible for the attacks. He even made claims most "respectable" 9/11 conspiracy theorist think is bonkers.
Rodriguez v. Bush
Among his other antics include, trying to have several Supreme Court judices disbarred over Gore v. Bush (the 2000 election case), another suit against Bush over his right to declare war, and my favourite evidence he is a jackass, he was sued by his own clients for failling to submit a response to a complaint that resulted in his clients recieving a default judgement against them (the clients won the suit, and Berg was court ordered to ethics conselling).
And in case you were wondering, Bush didn't show up for any of those court cases either.

A CITIZEN CAN HOLD ANY OFFICE OTHER THAN PRESIDENT OR VP. THEY HAVE TO BE NATURAL BORN CITIZENS THAT NEVER RENOUNCED THEIR CITIZENSHIP.

Again, the evidence is overwhelming that Obama was born in Hawaii, and there is zero evidence he ever renounced his American citizenship.

The thing that causes me to wonder is that this is an issue that he could easily resolve but for some reason he chooses not to.

He tried to resolve it, that's why he did release his birth certificate.
Several members of the Hawaiian government have tried to resolve it.
Have you noticed the birther movement keeps grasping at straws. First it was Obama was born in Kenya, then it was he renounced his citizenship to be Indoneasian, then back to the Kenyan birth, then it was he's not a natural born because his father was never American, and now the argument is he was automatically given British citizenship because of his fathers Kenyan citizenship. There is just nothing that will ever appease the hardest birther nut.

Do you even know which agency of the government is responsible for verifying eligibility for the office of POTUS?

I believe the Secret Service is responsible to investigate before the primaries, and the findings are submitted to the Supreme Court to be approved before the inauguration.
 Rebel333
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Obama Supports his Cousin Odinga' Killing of Black Christians
Posted: 12/4/2009 6:46:57 AM
If you do not know, why do you keep making claims that he is not?


I have my suspicions because it would be so easy for Obama to put this to bed yet he chooses not to. Please show me a post where I said that I know that he's not.


Again, he is not ignoring any court orders.


He was asked to supply his original long form birth certificate (which I do think exists) and ignored the summons. I fully realize that he has not been asked to appear in court. You're changing intent of the summons to suit your argument. The case is Civil Action no: 08-cv-4083 (Substance alert) Notice how I give details missing in your's and Smilies posts? But since you're not an American I understand why you don't know or really care.

Whether or not the case has merit, we have to look at Obama's actions in it.

Obama filed a motion to dismiss. Not such a big deal I guess, but why not just provide the document and put the matter to rest?

Then when that didn't work, Obama filed a motion to delay discovery.
Obama wanted to keep everything hidden until the judge decided on the motion to dismiss. Why would he do that?

If Obama has nothing to hide , if he has a birth certificate, why not just provide it? Why file a motion to delay discovery? What does he want to delay discovery of? I thought his birth certificate was on his website? If it's the only real one why not just hand it over?

The case itself may not be 100% true, but Obama's actions are 100% shady.

There is also a case in Hawaii. There is a suit against the state of Hawaii to provide the birth certificate, I think it was brought by Andy Martin.

Now you can also feel free to take the head in the sand approach and believe the Obama camp or you can ask yourself some questions. Like why was the case dismissed for lack of standing by the plaintiff? Wouldn't any citizen of this country have standing here? If Obama was legally verified by the "FEDS" wouldn't the paperwork already be filed somewhere and only need to be re-opened and looked at? I'd still like for one of you to tell me which agency has the responsibility to verify the candidates standing. (No it is not the Secret Service) If the Supreme Court had already ruled on this then there would be nothing to take to court. Come on people don't be so lazy. Do some research and answer my question.

Now having said all this I realize that you will NOT take the time to research this topic and as a result any rebuttal by you will lack substance. I.E. Anything that I would be able to look up. And I know that you're not open minded enough to change your mind. If you want me to change mine all that has to be done is for Obama to just allow the courts to investigate.

In the beginning people that did not believe that JFK was assassinated by a lone gunman were considered nuts. Now 85% of the American people believe that it was a conspiracy.
 Super Ryan
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Msg: 97
Obama Supports his Cousin Odinga' Killing of Black Christians
Posted: 12/4/2009 1:09:56 PM

Please show me a post where I said that I know that he's not.

Ok.

One of the clauses of natural born status is that he could not have ever been a citizen of another country. (Which I believe he was.)


He was by British law a citizen of what is now Kenya due to the fact that his father was a citizen when he was born. Thats true even if he was born in Hawaii.

And I could put up several of your "Fox News" style questions, where you don't actually make a statement, instead you place your outlandish claims in the form of a question.


He was asked to supply his original long form birth certificate (which I do think exists) and ignored the summons.

Again, no judge has ever made an order that he provide a long form birth certificate. Just because some whack job lawyer makes a request, does not mean the president needs to submit to the request.
But if you believe Obama does have a Hawaiian long form birth certificate, why are you making an issue of it.


The case is Civil Action no: 08-cv-4083 (Substance alert) Notice how I give details missing in your's and Smilies posts? But since you're not an American I understand why you don't know or really care.

The case was titled Berg v. Obama et al.
You can read the actual rulling here:
http://www.fec.gov/law/litigation/berg_ac_fec_opp_emerg_mot.pdf
Obama was not required to submit anything. Just because Berg made a request does not make it law.
The case was tossed because Berg had no standing, nor resonable evidence.


Obama filed a motion to dismiss.

No, he did not. The motion to dismiss was filed by the Federal Election Commission.


Then when that didn't work, Obama filed a motion to delay discovery.

No such event took place.


Now you can also feel free to take the head in the sand approach and believe the Obama camp

Sure beats shoving my head up my own ass and believing everything on Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.


Like why was the case dismissed for lack of standing by the plaintiff?

I don't really feel like giving a lesson in civil law, so I will just go to the rulling.


PLAINTIFF LACKS STANDING TO MAINTAIN THIS LITIGATION
Berg’s Complaint should be dismissed pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 12(b)(1) for lack of subject matter jurisdiction because he lacks standing and thus fails to bring a “case or controversy” under Article III of the Constitution; Whitmore v. Arkansas, 495 U.S. 149, 155 (1990); the dispute he raises is not one “appropriately resolved through the judicial process.” Id. “Standing must be determined as a threshold jurisdictional matter.” Kucinich v. Bush, 236 F. Supp. 2d 1, 3 n.5 (D.D.C. 2002) (citing Whitmore, 495 U.S. at 155, and Steel Co. v. Citizens for a Better Environment, 523 U.S. 83, 101-02 (1998)). The doctrine of standing identifies those disputes that are properly resolved through the judicial process. See Valley Forge Christian College v. Americans United for Separation of Church & State, Inc., 454 U.S. 464, 471–76 (1982).
Berg’s complaint fails on its face to demonstrate standing to invoke this Court’s jurisdiction. “The party invoking federal jurisdiction bears the burden of establishing the elements of standing, and each element must be supported in the same way as any other matter on which the [party] bears the burden of proof.” FOCUS v. Allegheny County Court of Common Pleas, 75 F.3d 834, 838 (3rd Cir. 1996) (internal citations omitted). In deciding this facial challenge, “the court must only consider the allegations of the complaint and documents referenced therein and attached thereto, in the light most favorable to the plaintiff.” Gould Electronics Inc. v. US, 220 F.3d 169, 176 (3rd Cir. 2000); McCann v. Newman Irrevocable Trust, 458 F.3d 281, 290 (3rd Cir. 2006). This Court’s threshold inquiry into standing “in no way
depends on the merits of [Berg’s] contention that particular conduct is illegal.” Warth v. Seldin, 422 U.S. 490, 500 (1975).
Three elements constitute the “irreducible constitutional minimum” of standing: (1) an injury-in-fact, (2) a causal connection between the injury and the challenged conduct of the defendant (traceability), and (3) a likelihood that the injury will be redressed by a favorable decision of the court. Lujan v Defenders of Wildlife, 504 U.S. 555, 560 (1992) (citations omitted). The injury-in-fact required by Article III is an invasion of a legally protected interest that is “concrete and particularized” as well as “actual or imminent,” rather than “conjectural” or “hypothetical.” Id., (citations omitted). The injury cannot be merely a generalized grievance about the government that affects all citizens or derives from an interest in the proper enforcement of the law. FEC v. Akins, 524 U.S. 11, 23 (1998); Lujan, 504 U.S. at 573-74.
Any injury alleged by Berg is not particularized and thus fails to satisfy the injury-in-fact requirement for standing. “[P]articularized” “mean[s] that the injury must affect the plaintiff in a personal and individual way.” Lujan, 504 U.S. at 560 n.1. “[W]hen the asserted harm is a ‘generalized grievance’ shared in substantially equal measure by all or a large class of citizens, that harm alone normally does not warrant exercise of jurisdiction.” Warth, 422 U.S. at 499. Berg never asserts that the putatively unconstitutional candidacy of Barack Obama results in any harm that redounds particularly to his detriment; rather, he identifies those who may suffer as:

“Plaintiff as well as other Democratic Americans,” Compl. ¶ 6;

“supporters of legitimate citizens,” id. ¶ 38;

“everyone who voted in the Democratic Primary for a nominee that is a fair representation of the voters,” id. ¶ 41;

“Plaintiff and the American Citizens,” id. ¶64; and

“Plaintiff and the American people,” id. ¶¶ 65, 66, 67.

Berg does not claim that he has suffered any injury or harm that, if true, would not also be felt by a more generalized collection of citizens, all of whom appear to suffer in substantially equal measure. In short, Berg has done nothing more than assert a generalized grievance on behalf of the American citizenry and his fellow voters. It is well-settled that claims advanced on behalf of such all-encompassing groups do not satisfy the injury-in-fact requirement. “Several other Circuit Courts have also concluded that a voter fails to present an injury-in-fact when the alleged harm is abstract and widely shared or is only derivative of a harm experienced by a candidate.” Crist v. Commission on Presidential Debates, 262 F.3d 193, 195 (2nd Cir. 2001) (per curiam) (citing cases).
In Hollander v. McCain, No. 08-99, 2008 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 56729 (D.N.H. July 24, 2008), the plaintiff brought an action similar to the present case, challenging the eligibility of John McCain to serve as president of the United States in light of his birth in the Panama Canal Zone to American parents. The court held that any harm from McCain’s ascension to the presidency would “adversely affect only the generalized interest of all citizens in constitutional governance,” and that Hollander thus lacked standing to pursue his claim. Hollander, 2008 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 56729, at *12 (internal citations omitted). Such a claim alleges “only an abstract injury insufficient to confer standing.” Page v. Shelby, 995 F. Supp. 23, 27 (D.D.C. 1998).
With respect to Hollander’s assertion that his individual right to vote would be harmed by McCain’s election, the court reasoned that the presence of an allegedly ineligible candidate on the ballot would not impair that right because voters would still be able to vote for other candidates of their choice. Hollander, 2008 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 56729, at *12. The inclusion of a putatively ineligible candidate (in contrast with the illegal exclusion of a qualified candidate) does “not impede the voters from supporting the candidate of their choice and thus does not
cause the legally cognizable harm necessary for standing.” Id. at *14 (internal citations omitted) (citing Gottlieb v FEC, 143 F.3d 618, 622 (D.C. Cir. 1998)). Berg, like Hollander, is not himself a candidate who would have standing to challenge the inclusion of an ineligible candidate. Rather, he is a voter who has “no standing to complain about the participation of an ineligible candidate in an election, even if it results in the siphoning of votes away from [the] candidate [he] prefer[s].” Id.
Accordingly, Berg has failed to articulate any concrete or particularized injury-in-fact. His claims are coexistent with those of American voters generally and such generalized grievances do not confer standing. As the Supreme Court noted in Lujan:
Whether the courts were to act on their own, or at the invitation of Congress, in ignoring the concrete injury requirement described in our cases, they would be discarding a principle fundamental to the separate and distinct constitutional role of the Third Branch - one of the essential elements that identifies those “Cases” and “Controversies” that are the business of the courts rather than of the political branches. “The province of the court,” as Chief Justice Marshall said in Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137, 1 Cranch 137, 170 (1803) “is, solely, to decide on the rights of individuals.” Vindicating the public interest (including the public interest in Government observance of the Constitution and laws) is the function of Congress and the Chief Executive.
504 U.S. at 576.
Berg also fails to establish the two remaining standing requirements: causation, that the challenged conduct of the FEC bears a causal connection to Berg’s alleged injuries, and redressability, that the claimed injury will be redressed by a favorable decision of the court. Regarding causation, Berg’s Complaint makes no allegation that any action taken by the FEC injured him or, indeed, that any FEC action or omission has had any effect whatsoever on Senator Obama’s eligibility to serve as President. His only reference to the FEC in the entire Complaint appears in paragraph 13 where he correctly identifies the FEC as having been created
in 1975 “to administer and enforce the Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA).”1 But Berg does not even allege that Commission’s administration of that statute has had any impact on himself, Senator Obama, or the Senator’s candidacy.
Finally, Berg cannot meet the redressability requirement because there is no remedy involving the Commission that this Court could grant Berg to provide the relief he seeks. Even if his lawsuit had merit, Berg does not allege or explain how this Court’s remedy would in any way involve the Commission or the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971, as amended, 2 U.S.C. §§ 431-55 (“Act” or “FECA”). Because any conceivable relief would be directed against parties other than the Commission, Berg’s alleged injury could not be redressed by relief against the Commission.
In short, Berg fails to establish standing because he cannot demonstrate an injury in fact caused by the FEC that could be redressed by this Court. Because Berg fails to bring an Article III case or controversy, this case should be dismissed for lack of subject matter jurisdiction.

Does that satisfy your doubts?

Wouldn't any citizen of this country have standing here?

See above.


If Obama was legally verified by the "FEDS" wouldn't the paperwork already be filed somewhere and only need to be re-opened and looked at?

There has been no order to provide anything to the courts in these frivolous lawsuits.
But Obama has provided his birth certificate for public scrutiny.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
And snopes.com has some pretty good quotes supporting the fact Obama is a natural born citizen.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
They have statements from Hawaiian government officials, and a statement from the nurse who helped deliver Obama.
For the record:
Obama was born August 4th, 1961 at 7:24pm at the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children, in the City of Honolulu, on the island of Oahu, in the State of Hawaii.


still like for one of you to tell me which agency has the responsibility to verify the candidates standing. (No it is not the Secret Service)

An independant candidate needs to show proper identification to get their name on the ballot, while candidates for the two major parties are verified by the parties themselves.
But the Secret Service still does investigate, and the Supreme Court is responsible to verify the standing before the inauguration.


Come on people don't be so lazy. Do some research and answer my question.

I think I have done a pretty good job answering almost all of your questions as well as your statements.
But you have failed to answer any of mine. Who's really lazy?


Now having said all this I realize that you will NOT take the time to research this topic and as a result any rebuttal by you will lack substance.

I believe I have researched the topic well, and my rebuttals have worlds more substance then yours.
All you have done is repeat the same tired b.s. that has been showing up on all the right wing hate sites for the past year and a half.


Anything that I would be able to look up.

It's called google, learn how to use it.
But you have offered nothing in the way of evidence to prove your argument. The closest you came was providing a case number, but you obviously never looked at the actual case, or you would have not asked some of your questions.


If you want me to change mine all that has to be done is for Obama to just allow the courts to investigate.

None of the suits warrented on investigation by the courts. He has not blocked any investigation by the courts in this matter.


In the beginning people that did not believe that JFK was assassinated by a lone gunman were considered nuts. Now 85% of the American people believe that it was a conspiracy.

And 20% believe the universe is only 6000 years old. How does the statement above prove anything.


But since you're not an American I understand why you don't know or really care.

You were doing so well, but that statement is ignorant and borders on bigotry.
For the record, I am 25% American and I am a direct decendant of a U.S. President (Hayes).
So I do care, and although some American attitudes seem crazy to me, I think I have a pretty strong understanding on what is fact and what is fiction.

So I will repost some of my questions. Let's see if you can answer any of them.

Why would Obama's parents travel to Kenya (they were both residents of Hawaii at the time of his birth) to give birth to Obama? Why would anyone on Earth decide to have their son born in Kenya instead of America? And why would they then try and fake an American birth?

He is your president, do you really want him wasting any time on something that has no merit?
Just imagine for a second that he is in fact a natural born American citizen, fully eligible to hold the office of the presidency. How much time and resources do you want him to spend on the issue?

I need to ask one more time (since nobody in the birther movement have ever answered).
Why would Obama's parents choose to have him born in Kenya?
Even back in the early 60's, everyone was aware that an American citizenship is worth a heck of a lot more than a Kenyan citizenship. By your own postings you have claimed he would be offered Kenyan and British citizenship if he were born in America.
Why would his parents do it?

It should not be too hard, it's only two questions phrased a few different ways.
And a third one for you.

Why would the DNC run a candidate that is not eligible? They have tons of people who would have loved to run for president. Why would they take the risk of running a non eligible candidate?

Or

Why has the RNC made no effort to prove Obama is not eligible?
They spent millions of dallars to prove Clinton got a blowjob. Why would they make no effort to oust Obama, who they seem to hate much more?

No more strawmans. No more spouting of "facts" from questionable sources. Just answer the four simple questions.

Why would Obama's parents travel to Kenya for his birth?
Why would the DNC run a candidate who is not eligible?
Why has the RNC made no effort to go after Obama on his eligibility?
How much time and resources should a sitting president spend on fighting frivolous lawsuits?
 Rebel333
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Posted: 12/4/2009 4:11:29 PM
Please show me a post where I said that I know that he's not.


Your answer:

One of the clauses of natural born status is that he could not have ever been a citizen of another country. (Which I believe he was.)


So by your definition if you believe something thats the same as saying I know something? Again you twist to meet your purposes. If I say I believe something I'm stating an opinion. Far from what you're trying to assert.


Again, no judge has ever made an order that he provide a long form birth certificate. Just because some whack job lawyer makes a request, does not mean the president needs to submit to the request.
But if you believe Obama does have a Hawaiian long form birth certificate, why are you making an issue of it.


Then why not just present it and resolve the issue? If the one that he has presented is it then let the courts decide. I believe that long form birth certificates from Hawaii in 1961 do exist. I don't know if Obama has one.


Why would Obama's parents travel to Kenya (they were both residents of Hawaii at the time of his birth) to give birth to Obama? Why would anyone on Earth decide to have their son born in Kenya instead of America? And why would they then try and fake an American birth?


I don't think that they went to Kenya for the express purpose of having a baby there. But that doesn't remove the possibility of them being there. After all it was the homeland of his father. Again I just want him to "ALLOW THE COURTS TO INVESTIGATE". I'd even ask the courts to investigate. I'm not saying that he should spend 1 minute of his own time on this. Why would a real leader want such a cloud hanging over him?


Why would the DNC run a candidate who is not eligible?


Excellent question. Why would they even run a candidate that can't or won't prove his eligibility? Or even allow questions to exist? And at least you found the answer to my question. It's the DNC or RNC not any Federal agency that does the vetting of the candidate.


It's called google, learn how to use it.


At least you won't stoop to the levels that you've accused others of and make condescending statements huh?

At this time I think we just need to agree to disagree. Nothing short of an investigation by the courts will satisfy me and you seem offended that anyone would have the audacity to want to verify that the president is in fact eligible. When the people of this or any country can't question their leaders then it is no longer a true democracy. And a responsible leader should allow, no even request such an investigation by a neutral party. (The court system) Don't give me the excuse that it would take too much time from the court system to do this. Thats a cop out.
 Rebel333
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Obama Supports his Cousin Odinga' Killing of Black Christians
Posted: 12/4/2009 4:52:56 PM
Why has the RNC made no effort to go after Obama on his eligibility?


I think I forgot to address this one for so I will before I drop this debate with you. Here are a couple of possibilities. Do you remember the OJ Simpson trails? Everyone knew that he was guilty but he was found not guilty. Why? Because of the level of civil unrest that would have followed. And that would be nothing compared to the level of civil unrest that would follow an ousting of Obama before his term for practicality any reason.

Or maybe they just fear reprisals from this president if their attempts failed. Some believe the only way to remove a sitting president is by impeachment. Do you think a majority democratic congress would impeach their own?

 Wheresmydog
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Posted: 12/5/2009 12:16:21 AM
Liberals are the most hypocrytical people in history. They are the most freedon taking, idealess people ever. They believe in pipe dreams, and want to FORCE everyone else to believe in the same fairy tales they believe , such as "global warming" even though it gets into the 30's in late MAY in the SOUTH!
OH YEAH , everytime I get up on a late may morning FREEZING MY ASS off in a SOUTHERN state, I say, DAMN THAT GLOBAL WARMING!
( from what I hear, that was all just a HOAX) SHHHH dont tell those liberals who just want to RAISE OUR TAXES because of that HOAX! They'll believe anything! As ,long as it gets then control! Freezing in early June? That doesnt matter top them! The dont believe what they see, or feel, they juts believe what they are TOLD to believe!
I really am scared, to think a bucnh of people that cannot feel the air outside, and tell what freaking MONTH it is when they feel it, who actuaLLY BELIEVE, some dimwit saying GLOBAL WARMING, when EVERY DAMN MAY, it is COLD. IN GEORGIA. HEY LIBS, GUESS WHAT! GAm is a SOUTHERN state, where it us supposed to be WARM in MAY. But I guess it being COLD in MAY in a SOTHERN state doesnt fit a LIBERALS agenda of "GLOBAL WARMING" so, that LIBERAL will DENY DENY DENY the TRUTH, no matter how COLD he or she feels!
Tell ya what. I have to envy a liberals FAITH! As FAITH is the evidence of things unseen!
 ZeesMuset
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Obama Supports his Cousin Odinga' Killing of Black Christians
Posted: 12/10/2009 2:44:08 PM
I'm kinda curious why a Canadian is sooooo interested in this board, specifically, this thread?

The stimulus package that Obama well touted and approved (aka 'bailout') has put us billions, if not trillions in the hole.

If the Health Care package is pushed through, it will put us tens if not hundreds of trillions in debt.

Obama swore my taxes would NOT go up. However if the cap and trade bill goes through, my taxes and energy costs are going to... go up.

It is a well known fact that in order for one to become president, one must be a natural born citizen. As mentioned before the form that he produced from Hawaii, doesn't really answer the question.

So far this year, Obama has hobnobbed with Socialists - such as Chavez - who have been very vocal about their desire to destroy us. I don't think their position has changed. I'm not willing to become a rug.

He bowed to the Saudi Arabians as well as I THINK the Japanese... not our enemies, but certainly NOT worthy of that!

Obama has told Muslims we are not a Christian Country. He needs to be reminded we are.

Yes Super, I'm more than aware that the Dems were the pro-choice slavery for sometime and then 'switched' tactics'... I believe I even mentioned that some point in the past. In my opinion - and many others - they have simply changed their tactics. They are now in the process of enslaving an ENTIRE country by 'providing them' with things they think they need.

Like Health care and free cell phones and ectera ectera ectera.

The government isn't my sugar daddy and I don't want them to become my sugar daddy. I can take care of me and mine just fine.

And last, but certainly not least, the State of Georgia, while voting Republican Presidents for a few years, has routinely and consistently voted Democrat for other offices for many years. That began changing I believe in the 1980's and voted their FIRST Republican Governor in 125 years, seven years ago.

I've been called a racist because I do not support Obama. This is a lie. I've been called a 'danger' because I am conservative. This is a lie. I've been told by someone on this board that I should get on my knees and Thank God that Obama is president....

Oh I'm sure that man, with the help of Nancy Pelosi will have ALL of us on our knees if they can do it...

And yet if I show the least amount of disdain for a differing opinion, I'm rude.

Fine. I'm rude and guess what... I'm also a capitalist piggy...

I believe that Bush's biggest spending years were the years Nancy and Co were at the helm pushing it.

And why is it a crime that the Bush's spent money, but it's alright for Obama to break our backs? Do you realize that only 15% of the US population is without health insurance and a sizeable percentage of that group is without BY CHOICE???

And that's the kicker with this bill... you don't have a choice.. you have to take it or be fined and even jailed... Nancy has confirmed that.

Also, in going over all 1900 plus pages of the bill, this 'health insurance' will cost me more and I will have less coverage.

So sorry... still not buying the Liberal retoric here. I'm just not a good sheeple....

(sorry I've been away... finally caught whatever germs my kids have brought to school and have been down the majority of a week with bronchitis... soooooo not fun.)
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