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 FrankNStein902
Joined: 12/26/2009
Msg: 276
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...that is one example of government regulation that is a waste of time, and I wont even get into my factoring business that I ended up selling because of silly regulations, when all I'm doing is saving clients money and NO Clients complained, just the competition....

While I will agree there is too much redundancy between provincial departments and much money could be saved by streamlining all process's to a national standard.

I would say those rules are in place because the big guys want it that way, because the smaller guy can not deal with all the red tape needed to do business in multiple provinces and therefore that is another example of how big business can squish the little guy.






You're right in that most of my perception on lawsuits does come from the media; my perceptions also tell me that major media is usually not pro-corporation (and definitely there are exceptions).

IMO: To say that the media is not pro corporation is the same as saying the humans are not pro people.

The media in its self is a corporation and primarily is responsible to its share holders to return a profit.

Those profits come from advertising dollars which in turn come from other corporations, so they rarely if ever bite the hand that feeds them.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 277
Capitalism
Posted: 5/28/2011 6:28:13 PM
I'm not sure if you're being disingenuous, or if you are really as dense as your posts indicate.

Sport do you know the meaning of " crony capitalism?"

I know the meaning of cronyism. I know the meaning of capitalism. Put them together, and you get, wait for it....crony capitalism. When you started your business and you went to CIBC - did they say to you, "Sure, we'd love to have you broker mortgages for us, but you'll have to offer them at 3 points higher than your competitors, the established players"? There's a reason that's illegal - it creates an uneven playing field and prevents new players from coming in. Say it with me, "CRONY CAPITALISM".

And surely to God you understand why financing a construction project operates under different rules than financing a home purchase. In the first, the players are assumed to be sophisticated players. In the second, there are consumer protections.

So I should team up with my goddaughter and start a computer software business and compete with Microsoft's etc, and If we cant make it I will run to the DOJ and demand Microsoft to share its profits because we cant make it? what a good idea Halftime dad, you're a genius dude, well done I will notify all business people to do that

WTF? I'm sitting here reading this and for the life of me I can't figure out how you can think that's an apt analogy. However, Microsoft did get slapped when they used their position to squeeze out other internet browsers. See, it's all about an even playing field and not using a dominant position to ensure there isn't any competition.

I'm starting to think your picture of capitalism is some sort of pirate kingdom with fairies riding unicorns.
 427cammer
Joined: 3/1/2008
Msg: 278
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Posted: 5/28/2011 6:42:24 PM

-what media outlets choose NOT to report on betrays even more of their bias than what and how they DO report, but it is much harder to pin down what ISN'T being said

Yeah... I realize this. And I ALSO realize that what isn't being said will sometimes protect corporations. A couple pages back in this thread I managed to point out what WASN"T being said in an article presented by the guy below you.

-I recommend that you watch the movie "The Insider." It's very well done and based upon real events.

I'll try and catch it sometime when it comes on TV, and if it's thoughtfully made I'll probably like it.... it is shown on television once in awhile right? I did a quick look into the film at wikipedia and it was made by Disney... they own ABC, right? And the NY Times were quick to jump at the story that CBS didn't want to air.... I'm guessing a lot of other papers picked this story up as well.

-search through the ample threads here on media analysis; I'm sure you will find several valid points made in opposition to yours

Well I never really made a point... I just told you what my perceptions were. If you feel like it you could search through the internet.... I'm sure you would find several well thought out valid opinions that are in opposition to yours.

I could talk at length on this multifaceted and complex subject, but I don't really believe that this is the appropriate thread for media analysis.

If you didn't want to talk about it, why bring it up?


Those profits come from advertising dollars which in turn come from other corporations, so they rarely if ever bite the hand that feeds them.

Not trying to be offensive, but I find your perception concerning the truthfulness of media to be lacking.

I'm just going to take a wild guess here and say that there's a fair number of fortune 500 companies that I've never seen an advertisement for.... they'd be fair game right? And a story concerning how General Electric avoids their taxes might be skipped over by NBC... but it would pretty much be jumped on by everybody else, wouldn't it?
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 279
Capitalism
Posted: 5/28/2011 7:05:22 PM
Those profits come from advertising dollars which in turn come from other corporations, so they rarely if ever bite the hand that feeds them.

Not trying to be offensive, but I find your perception concerning the truthfulness of media to be lacking.

I've sold advertising. He's pretty much bang on.

I remember years ago when the biggest newspaper in town did an expose of deceptive practices at car dealerships. I was in the office of one of their biggest advertisers the next day getting ink on a contract.

I've also used editorial to get advertising.

Only a few years ago every media outlet used to do regular features on a "Club" buying outfit that actually charges more, and uses high pressure tactics to get people to buy a membership (cough, Direct Buy, cough, cough). That was when they used direct marketing exclusively. Then they started doing mass advertising - haven't seen a piece on them since.
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
Msg: 280
Capitalism
Posted: 5/28/2011 7:39:55 PM

I would suppose that the quoted fact says much more about the writer than the laws of Alberta...
I would have thought a "financial genius" would know that 'construction finance' lending to property developers is NOT the same thing as a permanent, conventional 'residential mortgage' for purchase of an existing property... Your 'construction financing' was NOT as you try to portray it (as if you were providing a "construction-to-permanent" mortgage to Joe Homeowner who wanted to build one home), THIS quote proves it...Mungo Joe
proves nothing sport you missed what Ive said, for a guy who is " intelligent" you seem read into what you want to read. try reading what was actually said.



Ho-humm, indeed... Clearly another case of someone getting caught with their pants down and turning into a "whiney baby" because their high-priced lawyer couldn't "skate them through" on a long-shot at a loophole... Now it's all about "poor little me" and "righteous indignation" over "gov't regulation" because you got caught..Mungo Joe.
oh you hear me whining? oh I see, You know it suddenly hit me, that fact that you're a " intellect", Im going to guess a " A" student, probably has more degrees than a thermometer , but that didn't give you financial success and you're angry about it, it must piss you off when people like me who I will freely admit you're smarter, and probably a scrabble champion too, you're pissed off at every one who is financially shall I say ??? what's the word? independent.... while you probably dont have two nickels to rub or the beaver on the nickel in your pocket is screaming for air.



No... You SHOULD have incorporated in Alberta and acquired the proper licences... but I guess it is easier to act the aggrieved party and whine and cry about "poor little me, trod upon by evil gov't regulators"..Mungo Joe.
thank you for your fortune cookie wisdom Mungo Joe, I would never of thought of that, bless you Professor, In all seriousness ..the day I take financial advice or business advice from the likes of you is the day Im going on welfare and live in subsidize housing and take public transit and give up my car.



While I will agree there is too much redundancy between provincial departments and much money could be saved by streamlining all process's to a national standard.FrankNstein902
You're right there.



I would say those rules are in place because the big guys want it that way, because the smaller guy can not deal with all the red tape needed to do business in multiple provinces and therefore that is another example of how big business can squish the little guy.FrankNstein
Not sure about that Frank, and I would say its probably a cash grab for the provinces.



I know the meaning of cronyism. I know the meaning of capitalism. Put them together, and you get, wait for it....crony capitalism. When you started your business and you went to CIBC - did they say to you, "Sure, we'd love to have you broker mortgages for us, but you'll have to offer them at 3 points higher than your competitors, the established players"? There's a reason that's illegal - it creates an uneven playing field and prevents new players from coming in. Say it with me, "CRONY CAPITALISM" Halftime Dad
Please stop you really dont know what you're talking about. Dude re read what I posted, I didn't offer mortgages 3 points higher than the competition FFS. I offered 3 points LOWER than the competition.



WTF? I'm sitting here reading this and for the life of me I can't figure out how you can think that's an apt analogy. However, Microsoft did get slapped when they used their position to squeeze out other internet browsers. See, it's all about an even playing field and not using a dominant position to ensure there isn't any competition.

I'm starting to think your picture of capitalism is some sort of pirate kingdom with fairies riding unicorns Half time Dad.
Apt Analogy??? okay.....anyways Microsoft did the same thing Net scape was doing for years, try again Sport.
Once again... actually never mind ....
 FrankNStein902
Joined: 12/26/2009
Msg: 281
Capitalism
Posted: 5/28/2011 9:26:37 PM

I'm just going to take a wild guess here and say that there's a fair number of fortune 500 companies that I've never seen an advertisement for.... they'd be fair game right? And a story concerning how General Electric avoids their taxes might be skipped over by NBC... but it would pretty much be jumped on by everybody else, wouldn't it?

That case proves my point.

GE s is not juts another corporation to the other news people, they are a competitor, so course they will attack them, but NBC stays away as that would be biting the hand that feeds them.

Same as Fox going to court to protect Monsanto.

They do not protect them all only the ones that are big enough to matter and are in their corner.




Not sure about that Frank, and I would say its probably a cash grab for the provinces

Agreed that the province has a vested interest in it as well.

That is how it works, the large corporations and government get together via lobbing and come up with what is best for both parties.

The more money you have to lobby with the more capitalism can work for you.
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 282
Capitalism
Posted: 5/29/2011 10:21:15 AM
proves nothing sport you missed what Ive said, for a guy who is " intelligent" you seem read into what you want to read. try reading what was actually said.

Oh really...? I read what you wrote and the conclusion is still the same... Since you claim your words weren't read, I'll quote them back to you...

My firm did some construction financing in the province of Alberta,where I met my then girlfriend, who was a real estate agent in Calgary Alberta, we provided construction financing for builders My then girlfriend sold the properties, Our rates Prime Plus 1% the average rate for financing was Prime plus 3.5%, and we did a lot of business, I ended up arranging the take out financing as well and for 40% of the buyers I arranged the financing, I used my points I accumulated from sending a lot of my business to a financial Institution called First Line Mortgage which is Owned by C.I.B.C ( Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce) because I had over a million points accumulated I decided to use them as a marketing piece for anyone that bought one of the homes from this builder and took our mortgage their mortgage rate was 5% fixed rate , the going rate at that time was 7.25% if you had excellent credit 8.25% if you barely qualified.

Now... How about you explain what those highlighted parts ACTUALLY mean (in whatever **stardized version of the English language you are using) OTHER than "I was acting as an unlicenced mortgage broker"... I'm pretty good with English (and yes, I'm a scrabble champ) and I don't find a meaning other than "unlicenced mortgage broker" anywhere in there...

You go on continuously about people "not reading what I wrote" when you get caught with your own words... Now is your chance to prove that you really were misunderstood and are not simply resorting to some childish, adolescent denial...

thank you for your fortune cookie wisdom Mungo Joe, I would never of thought of that, bless you Professor...

Obviously, given that you CLEARLY DIDN'T when it actually counted... If you had, you wouldn't have been caught with your pants down...

In all seriousness ..the day I take financial advice or business advice from the likes of you is the day Im going on welfare and live in subsidize housing and take public transit and give up my car.

Given how you completely blew your "Alberta venture" by not doing even the simplest of research before "jumping into" the market perhaps that may be the best choice for you... Heck, you, yourself, even ADMITTED that you conducted yourself like an amateur when you didn't do even a minimum of research...

...1) I didn't live in Alberta and was unfamiliar with the laws out there...



oh you hear me whining?

Yes, I do... YOU didn't do your homework and now you want to blame YOUR failure on "evil gov't regulations" instead of owning up to the fact that you HAD a good opportunity and YOU "screwed the pooch" on it... But it's all the fault of "evil gov't regulations"... Yeah, right...
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
Msg: 283
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Posted: 5/29/2011 10:31:53 AM
Yeah Mungo Joe you showed me the errors of my ways in 1995, atta boy , my pants down too , yeppers I see the error of my godless , heathen ways and Im making a beeline to the nearest church, the heavenly light has warmed the very depth of my cold, anti socialist pro capitalist heart.Praise Gawd EH, halleluiah

Free at last , Im free at last praise the Lord Im freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee at last.

While I pooched screwed the Calgary experience that year, so What? I still made money unlike you a bitter old man harping at something I did when I was 30 , rolling my eyes
but thanks for the laugh and advice Mr.Know it all, perhaps you can give me some more advice that I did in 1989 turning down a position in New York City, care to comment on that too, and also why I dont eat fried chicken too? good Lord.




 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 284
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Posted: 5/29/2011 1:48:21 PM

Yeah Mungo Joe you showed me the errors of my ways in 1995, atta boy , my pants down too , yeppers I see the error of my godless , heathen ways and Im making a beeline to the nearest church, the heavenly light has warmed the very depth of my cold, anti socialist pro capitalist heart.Praise Gawd EH, halleluiah

Free at last , Im free at last praise the Lord Im freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee at last.

While I pooched screwed the Calgary experience that year, so What? I still made money unlike you a bitter old man harping at something I did when I was 30 , rolling my eyes
but thanks for the laugh and advice Mr.Know it all, perhaps you can give me some more advice that I did in 1989 turning down a position in New York City, care to comment on that too, and also why I dont eat fried chicken too? good Lord.

Why do so many conservatives feel the need to resort to "Yeah? Well you're a poo-poo head" type retorts when they get shot down in flames...?

Just remember, YOU are the one who brought up YOUR screw-up as a dishonest example of "evil gov't regulators treading on honest businessmen"... And now you're upset because your dishonest tactic was revealed for what it is...?

and also why I dont eat fried chicken too?

Too bad, you don't know what you're missing... I'm having some cooked up for me right now... with black-eyed peas, collard greens and mashed potatoes with gravy... Yummy...! I guess there is no need to save any for you...

And I guess, when I send "the help" out to pick up a watermelon, I should tell him to only get a small one since you won't be having any, right..?
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
Msg: 285
Capitalism
Posted: 5/29/2011 2:15:28 PM

Why do so many conservatives feel the need to resort to "Yeah? Well you're a poo-poo head" type retorts when they get shot down in flames...?

Just remember, YOU are the one who brought up YOUR screw-up as a dishonest example of "evil gov't regulators treading on honest businessmen"... And now you're upset because your dishonest tactic was revealed for what it is...-mungo joe
And I thought you were intelligent? guess not !!!you missed the entire point of what I was posting, but doesn't surprise me.... conservatives eh? yeah okay


Too bad, you don't know what you're missing... I'm having some cooked up for me right now... with black-eyed peas, collard greens and mashed potatoes with gravy... Yummy...! I guess there is no need to save any for you...

And I guess, when I send "the help" out to pick up a watermelon, I should tell him to only get a small one since you won't be having any, right..?-mungo joe
I would like to say you are funny but alas the 'pseudo' intellectuals seem to be a dime a dozen as is your mockery. The alpha male has bore his teeth and lashed out with pure wit. LMAO. You do amuse me in some small way I must admit.

In the summertime when the weather's high,
you can stretch right up and touch the sky,
when the weather's fine, gotsa gets me sum fried chicken, grits, vittles and hopes my mammie springs for a hair cut too
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 286
Capitalism
Posted: 6/12/2011 7:09:50 AM
From today's NYT's on Too Big to Fail, or Too Trifling for Oversight?


In May, the Hartford Financial Services Group sold off a thrift it bought in 2009 to secure billions of dollars of bailout funds designated for banks. In February, the Allstate Corporation sold a similar bank that had made it eligible for aid, though it decided not to accept the cash.

Now, both Hartford and Allstate are arguing that they should not be deemed systemically important — a claim raising eyebrows in financial policymaking circles.




Regulators involved in the determination process say they are skeptical. “It is as if they are the Sisters of the Charity,” said one government official who has participated in meetings with financial companies. “They present themselves as if they don’t do anything complicated. They are playing a very interesting strategy game that nobody believes.”


It’s no secret that big banks with more than $50 billion in assets — Bank of America, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, Wells Fargo, among others — are automatically part of the club. But a wide variety of financial companies that are not banks are trying to avoid membership — or at least reduce their burdens. Besides the big insurers, hedge funds and mutual fund companies, major commercial lenders like General Electric have revved up their lobbying efforts.

There have also been a few surprises, like Boeing, I.B.M. and Caterpillar, which operate large finance businesses for their customers. Student lenders like Sallie Mae, auto finance companies like Ford Motor Credit and even quasi-government enterprises like the Federal Home Loan Banks have raised concerns about the designation process.


Don't ya just love when corporations play the game fast and loose (like with derivatives), are then crying they are too big to fail-with their hands out for the government dole, and then seek to avoid regulation to avoid the exact situation "they" created.
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 6/12/2011 8:12:36 PM
Well, they are all run by PEOPLE. Flawed, human, people. This is why neither Capitalism, nor any other "ism," can be left to run it's own way without monitoring and thoughtful regulation. Now if we could just get the PEOPLE from being the ones actually DOING everything, them MAYBE,..... but then, without the people, we wouldn't have any 'capital' to be 'isming.' Oh well.
 Hibernian1960
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Posted: 6/12/2011 11:16:11 PM
Capitalism is the most efficient way to allocate resources. It has produced and is producing the highest standard of living ever in the countries which practice it in varying forms. It is the best way to prosperity. Ask the Chinese who are moving from socialism to capitalism faster than a NY minute. On the opposite end of the spectrum you have socialism. No matter where or when it's been tried it has only produced shortages of even basic commodities, misery and a collective apathy towards individual freedom, liberty and achievement. Socialism is the politcal dream of the incompetent, the underachiever and the lazy.


And what is the most profitable form of capitalism? Larceny, trafficking in contraband, and extortion- in short, organized crime. Great model there, GREAT model...
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
Msg: 289
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Posted: 6/17/2011 9:13:21 AM

And what is the most profitable form of capitalism? Larceny, trafficking in contraband, and extortion- in short, organized crime. Great model there, GREAT model...
not to be rude here but why are you comparing organized crime to Capitalism?
Larceny,trafficking , extortion are the hallmark of criminals and/or criminal organizations.
 smiley_mcgee
Joined: 5/26/2011
Msg: 290
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Posted: 6/17/2011 12:14:17 PM

And what is the most profitable form of capitalism? Larceny, trafficking in contraband, and extortion- in short, organized crime. Great model there, GREAT model...

Ha! That's funny.
Yeah. They should stop calling it larceny. They should form a union and call it dues. Or their own city government and call it eminent domain.
Then they can get over that whole "unlawful" part.

Let's see..trafficking in contraband..Isn't that what we do to, say, Qadafi's freedom fighters?
Or to the Taliban in Afghanistan? The contras?
Don't we facilitate trafficking in order to gain information? Allow smaller operations to continue, protected, to get the bigger ones? Like the not so long ago operation, and subsequent CBS investigation, to ship guns to Mexico which were found to have been used to kill border agents? Ooops.

And extortion? What would you call what Obama did to get his health care bill passed? "You'll find out what's in it once its passed" and all that. Oh, call it politics, not extortion (especially when it's behind closed doors).
Or what Bush Jr. did to go to war in Iraq?

None of those things you mention are really capitalism. They are profitable. Extremely. One sided. Capitalism is profit for everyone. Capitalism is based on free will and property ownership rights. It's inherent to it.
Taking of property, violating another countries laws in business with the citizens or manipulating governments, and forced transactions aren't really capitalism.
They really are anti capitalism.

So yeah, great model.
 Imported_labor
Joined: 3/7/2008
Msg: 291
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Posted: 6/17/2011 1:23:58 PM
You just made the case for the post that you are trying to refute, except that you don't want to call Capitalism the ideology underpinning the system that involves the practices of larceny, trafficking in contraband, and extortion to achieve its goal of extracting the maximum of profit for the benefit of a few.

You say that the only Capitalism that we know of is "really anti capitalism." That is a good joke!

Yeah, imagine Ronald Reagan extolling the virtues of the contras, the criminal band that he and his cohorts financed because they were the "equivalent of our founding fathers" and they were going to install an "anti capitalist" system in Nicaragua after overthrowing the Sandinistas from power.

Anti capitalism!

But wait, here is the best one:


Capitalism is profit for everyone.


Ja, ja, ja.....
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 292
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Posted: 6/17/2011 7:56:57 PM

why are you comparing organized crime to Capitalism?
Larceny,trafficking , extortion are the hallmark of criminals and/or criminal organizations.

Now, that is precious.

This thread is getting inundated with "no true Scotsmen." Perhaps we need immigration reform in the thread?
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
Msg: 293
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Posted: 6/18/2011 9:13:23 AM
I wish there was a emoticon for " rolling my eyes" good lord.
 IgorFrankensteen
Joined: 6/29/2009
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Posted: 6/18/2011 10:14:00 AM
I still say that it's all a matter of degree. Freedom isn't a single absolute condition, and neither is "free market capitalism." It's whatever the folks who are in charge of it say it is. hence the need for SPECIFICITY in any discussion of what should be included in the concept, and what should not.
There's no pint to getting "huffy" on either side of things, for the simple reason that there IS no agreed upon authority for what is or is not Capitalism, or a free market, or an "even playing field," or any of the other things we've discussed.
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
Msg: 295
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Posted: 6/18/2011 11:47:57 AM
Igor, we're going round and round like a merry go round, I agree there is no " free market"
A free market means no one is in charge , most business people/capitalists dont want to be in charge of the system, but the government sure wants to be in charge.

There are business owners that want to be in charge of the market and most of them cannot make it in a free market society.


for the simple reason that there IS no agreed upon authority for what is or is not Capitalism, or a free market
That I agree with you 100%

For the record Im not against regulations that makes sense, that protects rights/society, that allows a true business to prosper without government intervention, this is where we butt heads.
 dabearsguy
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Posted: 10/5/2011 1:01:48 AM
“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.” Winston Churchill
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 10/7/2011 3:47:36 AM
dabears: As with most quotes from politicians, that one has plenty of pith, but no meat to chew. Churchill was in his prime when socialism was known primarily as the USSR's kind. That he didn't therefore think it was anything BUT misery is understandable.

I'm not a socialist myself, but as with Capitalism, there are many shades of socialism out there, and there are lots of CAPITALIST states, which the anti-socialists pretend are SOCIALIST states, simply because they don't like this or that modification of Capitalism there. Heck, there are a fair number of folks in the U.S. who think this country turned Socialist the moment the Federal Government got the right to tax us.

I think we passed the point a good while ago where it was EASY to say which country is socialist, and which is Capitalist, and have it be a HUGE differentiation.
 Doremi_Fasolatido
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Posted: 10/9/2011 2:16:07 PM
I think Capitalism is a great economic system. However, like Government it needs checks and balances to prevent those at the top of the ladder from totally screwing those at the bottom of the ladder.

Unions have been obtaining for their members a fair share of the economic pie for years now. Unity among those on the lower rungs of the Capitalist ladder is one of the ways to increase the rate of the "trickle". Those at the top of the ladder realise this and that is why they are trying to divide people.

There really is enough for everyone out there. Those who are willing to work hard should be fairly compensated for their efforts. People united are the best way to insure that everyone is paid fairly. The protesters on Wall St. realise this but are lacking a unifying force.

Capitalism....It's people ....Buying , selling,producing. Excluding workers from reaping the profits of this system could be it's demise. Especially if the average Joe feels he is being screwed by it....
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 299
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Posted: 10/9/2011 2:20:36 PM

dabears: As with most quotes from politicians, that one has plenty of pith, but no meat to chew. Churchill was in his prime when socialism was known primarily as the USSR's kind. That he didn't therefore think it was anything BUT misery is understandable.

I'm sorry, but this is utter nonsense.

Churchill said mean things about socialism because he was running against socialists. Heck, in 1945 the socialists won the election and he became leader of the opposition. Upon the turnover of government he also said, "Today a taxicab will pull up to Number 10 Downing Street and nobody will get out." He was a great politician and a master of the insult.
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 10/9/2011 3:22:32 PM
I have no idea where you pulled that from. I will, and I have pointed out that capitalism more closely fits with human nature, and hence I support it myself, but as to the claim that somehow (one of the versions of) the Bible has anything to do with it, you are on your own. The Bible doesn't say anything about "free market capitalism," and especially in the sections about Jesus, it rather goes against it in many places. There is no such thing as "Bible economics."
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