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 Elmenreich
Joined: 9/23/2009
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Elmenreich, anything of value you might want to say here is negated by your name calling, flame throwing, pompous attitude. Since you are a new member of these forums, I suggest that you read the rules of the forum. When joining a new group of people of any kind, it is wise to come in gently and scope things out to see how that particular society conducts itself before you start tossing insults and throwing your weight around. Whatever stature you may possess in knowledge, you certainly lack in manners. You have lost all credibility because your belligerent attitude conveys a total lack of confidence in what you are saying...
Well, I am new to this forum, and I did read the rules, but considering similar behavior from other contributors to this thread, I thought such behavior was acceptable. In fact, I don't see how my behavior is out of line with the behavior of others in this forum and this thread. If anything, the only difference between me and the other members contributing to this thread is that I'm not racist, nationalist and uninformed.

Basically, this thread was made to poke fun at the suffering of poor people. I find it strange that you would laud the racist and nationalist posts in this thread while singling me out. Take this post, for instance:
New voices are always welcome, you guys were pretty gentle with me when I first started. However, I did tread lightly and watched and learned from everyone here.

What is enlightening about reichman...
See, this person claims to have learned from this forum, but all he's learned is how to make fun of people's names and agree with the majority. I call that ignorance.
You've pretty much assured the poster is a programmed libtard if they blame current events on actions that may or may not have happened 25 years ago. the simple-minded imagine the world has friends and enemies rather than transitional interests.
Hmmm, I'm not the one drawing conclusions and laying blame. I'm talking about Osama Bin Laden's reasoning for the 9/11 attacks which he was peripherally involved in. He specifically states that the US ignored Afghanistan once the Soviet threat was neutralized, that America sunk tons of weapons into Afghanistan, fueling the conflict for generations.

It's sad, but all of our "enemies" as of late - Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan - are nations that we supplied with weaponry over the past 25 years. Of course, there are many underlying issues, but to state that America's foreign policy had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks is doing a disservice to the thousands of people who died that day.
 GolfCoast
Joined: 3/17/2008
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Posted: 10/5/2009 6:45:42 AM
Elmenreich having outsourced his major life decisions to his union is able to focus the full power of his intellect on memorizing dem talking points and his ACORN placard.

Why would we imagine he'd be able to figure out a board ecosystem before starting this confused-obvious-wrong rant at high volume.
A tool just like his President Ozero.
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Posted: 10/5/2009 8:14:40 PM
for the right to join ranks and throw stones at any liberal minded person who posts.


I realize a lot of people who live in the U.S. have been indoctrinated to detest most things about our history and culture. I couldn't care less if they want to stay ignorant--that's their business. But many of them also seem to want to make excuses for savages who believe it's their sacred duty to murder infidels. Like us.

Some of us don't think propagandizing for Islamist Nazis bent on making the whole world live like they do is very funny. Constantly blaming and deriding America, while carrying water for Islamic jihadists, gradually erodes the will to fight them. And the more that encourages these thoroughly evil people, the more dangerous it makes things for all of us.
 matchlight
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Posted: 10/5/2009 11:09:08 PM
One thing that's interested me is that the more I learn about radical Islam, the clearer it becomes that the notion the U.S. has brought this fight on itself is false. There's more than enough in Islam itself to explain the Islamists' Nazi-like lust for world domination, their belief that God demands they slaughter everyone who rejects their beliefs, their celebration of the most savage, sadistic violence. That makes me wonder whether the notion that we're to blame for jihadism is just the result of ignorance, or if it's what radical Islamists and their accomplices are working to make as many Americans as possible believe.

Why? Because that's a clever way to demoralize a stronger enemy. Make Americans believe their country has done so much wrong they should be ashamed of it, and they'll be considerably less eager to defend it. We know several dozen Americans have gone overseas to help Islamic jihadists. I can't prove that another cadre is helping them from inside the U.S., but the more of the "America's to blame" mantra I hear, the more I suspect it. And the people saying this are almost exclusively on what's usually (and misleadingly) called "the far left." Are Stalinists determined to bring the U.S. down as payback for the fall of the USSR they so adored?

Our president's preacher of 20 years, Jeremiah Wright, friend of the racist Louis Farrakhan and the murderer Muammar Khadafi, believes 9/11 was our fault. Remember his claim that it was America's "chickens coming home to roost?" "We asked for it," they say, like a sexist saying a rape victim was to blame for wearing a revealing dress. Same with Ward Churchill, the Colorado professor, who called the 3,000 murder victims at the WTC "little Eichmanns." They had their fate coming, because just as Eichmann aided the Holocaust by making the death trains run on time, they through their jobs were helping the evil, capitalist American Reich.

We also have Michael Moore, Mr. Carter's fast friend, and Obama's pals, the ex-Weatherman bomber William Ayres and his ex-"Ten Most Wanted" wife, the terrorist Bernadine Dohrn. Ayres and another Communist friend that Obama steered a lot of money to both help teach schoolteachers how horrible this country is, so they, in turn, can teach that to their students. Just like the jihadists, these people abhor everything America stands for and want to bring it down. Our Oswald Moseleys, Lord Haw-Haws, Tokyo Roses, and Axis Sallys for today. As for Obama himself, I'll leave it others to decide if his foreign policy is just incompetent, or if it's a product of his own evident distaste for the country whose interests he's supposed to be representing.
 GolfCoast
Joined: 3/17/2008
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Posted: 10/6/2009 8:17:15 AM
Skooch! The world is not about 'fairness". This is not family share the TV time. It's about trying to navigate a complex world with ancient hatreds and histories. One could argue that in modern times Israel is the ultimate cause, the raison d'etre of all middle east turmoil. One could even get reasonable people from both sides to agree that post WW2 it was a terrible mistake to support the creation of the state of Israel. But it's done. It's a fact. Now we must deal in real world realities, not "fair". So if Iran states it's goal is to obtain nukes and wipe out the state, of what use are discussions about fair? Interesting discussions in sophomore dorm rooms but an onion that could be pealed for another thousand years to no solution.

Going to the complex, no Arab states want Iran holding a nuke. As fellow Muslims they might give some lip service in public to the notion, but privately they hope and pray the USA and Israel solves this problem.

You Dems have to get beyond fair and go to Realpolitik, get adult.
 matchlight
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Posted: 10/6/2009 8:53:36 AM

If they were to sail war ships off of our coast, we would destroy that thing rather than blow a large hole in it. But, so many Americans are surprised that they would attack one of our ships because we have the right of passage to go any where the hell we please since we are America.


If you're talking about the 2000 attack on the Cole, it took place near Aden, Yemen. U.S. Navy ships have called at ports all around the world for a long time. And yet you seem to question its right to have been there. Maybe you also question the right of the U.S. to have killed--as it recently did--the Al Qaeda operatives who planned the attack.

As for our right to go anywhere we please, all nations claim that same right under international law, and the U.S. has always recognized it. Only a very small part of the world's oceans is any nation's territorial waters. I don't know who you mean by "they" sailing warships off our coast, but Al Qaeda doesn't have any. And if it did, of course the U.S. would attack them--isn't that what warships usually do to enemy warships?

You seem to think the U.S. should always be fair to its adversaries. Why? If someone on my street talked openly about wanting to kill kids, should I want him to get a gun because I have one to protect my family--from people like him? The U.S. should always treat its allies well, but nothing requires us to do what our enemies might like, or to be fair with them. The world's Islamist Nazis can go to the Devil for all of me, and their helpmates may join them there.

Your slur about the two 1945 atomic bombings is standard Soviet propaganda from the 1950's. Their English-language "information" magazines about America still exist, and I've seen it myself. I'd like to be able to say I'm surprised to see Americans still spreading that slander against their country in 2009. But having seen it here quite a few times, I'm not.
 matchlight
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Posted: 10/6/2009 9:59:22 AM
I didn't know I'd implied that. Of course it did, on August 6 and 9, 1945. So what? Japan and the U.S. were at war. A couple months earlier, the U.S. killed about 100, 000 people in a enormous incendiary bombing raid on Tokyo. And about that same time, Allied bombers killed about that many Germans in a huge raid on Dresden. Some of the aircraft in the first wave dropped heavy bombs to break windows, to create a better draft for the incendiaries that followed.

There are lots of other examples, too, of thousand-plane raids on cities that killed tens of thousands of people. And many tens of thousands of British civilians were killed by German bombings. Did you think civilians were out of bounds in WWII? I didn't know that blast and heat were different because they were created by nuclear fission, instead of by TNT, or because only one bomb was used, rather than ten thousand.
 matchlight
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Posted: 10/6/2009 3:19:02 PM
Just because something's a historical fact doesn't make it immune to being presented in a misleading or derogatory way.
 sd_matt
Joined: 7/9/2006
Msg: 69
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Posted: 10/6/2009 3:26:31 PM
I wanted to start a new thread about health care. I can't find the button, it seems to appear randomly. Can anyone help?
 sd_matt
Joined: 7/9/2006
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Posted: 10/6/2009 4:08:14 PM
Yeah so Im not smoking the good stuff. That button is there sometimes and sometimes not. Whats up with that?
 Elmenreich
Joined: 9/23/2009
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Posted: 10/6/2009 8:57:05 PM
Elmenreich having outsourced his major life decisions to his union is able to focus the full power of his intellect on memorizing dem talking points and his ACORN placard.
Um, I've NEVER been a member of the Democratic Party. I voted for H.W. Bush in 1992 - the first year I could vote - because I was a small-government Republican. When Clinton's term was over, I expected a small-government Republican candidate to run against Gore. All I've seen since then is more big-government crap, reckless spending by both parties.

I finally left the Republican Party about a year and a half ago, and joined the Green Party. Basically, I'm disgusted by both parties, but the Republican party line (small-government when it comes to regulation, big-government when it comes to spending) lead to the current financial crisis. I voted for Obama because I no longer believe in a completely unregulated economic system. I don't believe we should waste money and human life in crap wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, fighting enemies whose beliefs and ways of life haven't changed since they were our best buddies. I don't like a lot of the crap Obama does, like the crap war in Afghanistan he's so happy about and merit pay for teachers.

I support a public option. I haven't bought into the hype that it'll kill private competition. It hasn't in Germany, and people around the world will always want to get into America's private health care system, which is pretty good if you have the money.

Oh, and you're a dullard.

Unlike some people on this message board, I came to POF to meet new people and go on a date or two now and then. It sounds like a lot of you angry Republicans could use one.
 GolfCoast
Joined: 3/17/2008
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Posted: 10/7/2009 4:13:42 PM
Skooch let me help here. Republicans generally, honestly don't consider the Dem plan reform. It's change, but it's undesirable change for us with a word like reform attached to cause tingles up and down the legs of the true believers.

The Dems have the votes. Repubs can't stop it. The Dems want bipartisan cover. Why? The bill is a disaster. It is a disaster based upon cost, no tort reform, clear that demand will rise and supply will fall creating long waits or rationing. Dems know they have a loser bill and want either to blame bipartisan cover , or failing that, to blame Repubs killed it. We can't kill it. repeat that until it sticks.

Sometimes you need to stop and think a bit about the motivations of those who disagree with you.
 The Minister of Dudeness
Joined: 6/11/2006
Msg: 73
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Posted: 10/7/2009 7:17:21 PM
Forgive any redundancy here:

The USA Patriot domestic surveillance bill that was passed Oct. 23, 2001 was not made available for public review before congressional debate and vote.

While campaigning for office, BHO promised complete transparancy if he were elected President, along with hope and change.

Yet the House energy and global warming bill, passed June 26th, was only available online for review 15 hours before vote, despite being 1,200 pages in length.

The $789 billion "stimulus" bill, passed Feb. 14, was 1,100 pages yet only available online 13 hours before congressional debate.

The $700 billion financial sector rescue package, passed Oct. 3 of last year, was only available online 29 hours before vote at 169 pages.

Bush lied? Well, so does Obama. And BHO does it after he criticized Bush for lack of transparency. "Hope and change" is translating into "I'm still hoping for the change".

Same Old Circus, Different Clown.
 fzrhusker
Joined: 10/8/2005
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Posted: 10/8/2009 8:47:22 AM

Same Old Circus, Different Clown.


Amen Minister
 Elmenreich
Joined: 9/23/2009
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Posted: 10/8/2009 10:07:26 AM
Obama and Bush are both clowns, but I tend to think that W. Bush was an evil clown.
 GolfCoast
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 76
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Posted: 10/8/2009 3:19:31 PM
nah this is THE ONE, totally unscripted lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOThRB-6pDw


This is about 500 times worse than anything Bush ever did, and maybe 1000 times worse than Quayles mispelling potatoe (sic) to save a school teachers pride in fron of her students.
 fzrhusker
Joined: 10/8/2005
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Posted: 10/9/2009 1:03:02 AM
I find it funny that the SEIU that fully supported Obama on health care is now crying because the current bill will tax their union Cadillac health care plans.

I wish everyone would realize that everything Obama is trying to do will bite us all in the wallet, including his supporters, no one will be exempt.
 GolfCoast
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 78
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Posted: 10/9/2009 10:52:29 AM
Breaking news!!!!

Obama just announced how much health care will cost!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D7sxmmLaik&NR=1
 Elmenreich
Joined: 9/23/2009
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Posted: 10/10/2009 10:20:35 PM

nah this is THE ONE, totally unscripted lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOThRB-6pDw


This is about 500 times worse than anything Bush ever did, and maybe 1000 times worse than Quayles mispelling potatoe (sic) to save a school teachers pride in fron of her students.
Until Obama goes in front of the UN and says that he's starting nuclear war with the Soviet Union, the Republicans still lead the pack in the blooper reel.
 GolfCoast
Joined: 3/17/2008
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Posted: 11/12/2009 5:28:46 AM
Read this carefully libtards as this is your future if you keep punishing competence and subsidizing losers ( all Dem prgrams are essentially a loser tax).

HAVANA, Nov 11 (Reuters) - Cuba has ordered all state enterprises to adopt "extreme measures" to cut energy usage through the end of the year in hopes of avoiding the dreaded blackouts that plagued the country following the 1991 collapse of its then-top ally, the Soviet Union.

In documents seen by Reuters, government officials have been warned that the island is facing a "critical" energy shortage that requires the closing of non-essential factories and workshops and the shutting down of air conditioners and refrigerators not needed to preserve food and medicine.

Well, well, well, they can't provide toilet paper (page 1 of OP) and now can't even keep the lights on. You libs ought to sue Michael Moore for making you stupid lol.
 GolfCoast
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 81
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Posted: 11/12/2009 3:59:22 PM
Skooch I'm going to share with you a secret so powerful, it will challenge on-line billpaying as a life chaging event for you.

There are three sources of disagreement in this world, and they are:

1. stupidity,
2. obstinancy,
3. a logic bubble ( aplace where it all makes sense to the person holding the logic fallacy given a certain set of knowledge and experiences).

Now you libtards continue to not get it. We try and teach you to no particular end. Which leads to a possiility of obstinancy. Unlikely since not being particularly principled people you'd trade your mom's false teeth for free internet anyway. leads to the possibility of a logic-bubble (yours or mine?). Since the Repubs here all know your arguments as well as our own, and you haven't a clue as to our philosophy beyond an Al Gore Lock-box level of thinking, I must choose between obstinancy and stupidity. But as I mentioned you guys not having any priciples except self interest, Iunfortunately am left with stupidity as your sole reason for constinuing disagreement.

Doesn't it feel good to have something like this all clear and tidy?
 GolfCoast
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 82
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Posted: 11/13/2009 6:26:08 AM
I was trying to imagine a "love of government" test, which is perhaps a misnomer as it might should be love of country, governments come and go. But anyway, the test I landed on, feel free to take it one and all is 'would I die for this government?" For me I had a flash I would not die for this government. I would not die for the people who voted for this government. Their instincts and motivations are unworthy of even modest respect, say nothing of the ultimate sacrifice.

Now personally I think this has always been part of the left's playbook, removing the nationalism that drove so much of our history. So we've pulled the teeth from the great dream that was America and landed on a bunch of lying, cheating weasels who deny the virtues the founders put forward.

So let's list what makes American exceptionalism (libtards feel free to tune out you've somehow gotten this far in life without understanding this but you got A's in PC so don't feel badly). America is about an idea, and idea where the person was large, and the state small. About elevating the value of a single human, protected by the constitution against the mob. France is about the land, Germany perhaps about the people (well until after WW2 anyway), japan was about the Emperor god (at least until after WW2).

So there we are libtards, you are destroying perhaps the single most beautiful government construct ever made so people will vote for a bunch of mediocre community organizers and botox demented whackos.

We no longer have citizens, we have clients of the Dem party. Die for them? you must be kidding.
 matchlight
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Posted: 11/13/2009 8:35:26 AM

So there we are libtards, you are destroying perhaps the single most beautiful government construct ever made so people will vote for a bunch of mediocre community organizers and botox demented whackos.


GC, Well said, I couldn't agree more. But they may not get what they want. This administration's prestige is fading fast, and the hit it will take when this health care fiasco dies in the Senate may be fatal. This man knew he had to move fast, or fail, and he did. But I think he's shot his bolt.

And if his party takes the drubbing in next year's elections that a lot of people are predicting, they're all cooked--every last d----d sneaking jackal in the pack. Obama will hang around for two more years, but he won't be able to get anything big done. (Except, of course, to continue to ruin America's position in the world--but so did Carter, and Reagan undid it.)
 GolfCoast
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 84
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Posted: 11/13/2009 1:39:58 PM
Skooch you trying to be this dumb? Countries have interests, not friends. saddam arguably became our guy in the middle east when the Shah was driven out, driven out BTW because of Obama Take I Carter the dopey. Germany was once our enemy, then later our friend, same with Russia, we once fought England, things change libtard, if you want things constant try cryogenics, you and Ted Williams, frozen bookends lol.
 matchlight
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Posted: 11/17/2009 2:45:17 PM
The U.S. strategy during the Iran-Iraq war was to weaken both regimes. And why not? One was run by Arab Nazis and the other by jihadist fanatics. If a bunch of hotheaded savages want to slaughter each other instead of us, let them have at it. A lot of poor slobs end up as cannon fodder, just as they've been doing forever in that part of the world. But then the people forget about it, have some more kids to replace the losses, get ants in their pants, and want to fight again. Maybe they'll give a democratic government a chance some day, and get out of their misery. So far, misery seems more attractive to them.

The U.S. helped Iraq with recon photos of Iranian troop movements, and as you mention, the Iran-contra affair was about selling Iran light arms and giving the money to the forces fighting the Sandinista Communists in Nicaragua. We didn't favor either Iran or Iraq--as Henry Kissinger once said, "It's only a pity they both can't lose." Which scorpion do you really want to root for? But they both fought the war so poorly that at different points in it, each one almost let the other win just through incompetence. So the U.S. had to adjust what it was doing, to shift its support to one or the other.
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