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 arwen52
Joined: 3/13/2008
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Call it fruit salad if you like but it is still a situation where a kid is being used in a political scenario with all the sound bites and media attention along with the messi,ooops,gotta stop that.....with the Obama.


What is this "messi" BS you keep throwing in?
 where4
Joined: 10/1/2008
Msg: 56
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Posted: 8/15/2009 6:40:17 PM
Oh please!
"I can't talk for others, but I know that I, my children and my grandchildren would be horrified and humiliated if a statement like the above was made in any public place by a parent, much less on national TV.
[...]
So far I have looked yet cannot seem to find Palin in here own words using her children in such a negative ridculing manner ..."


But it's OK to try to deceive the public and illustrate sick points using your family members on Facebook, huh?

The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care.


 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
Msg: 58
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Posted: 8/16/2009 9:36:41 AM
The only people who refer to Obama as the 'Messiah' seem to be those on the Right. Which I can't figure out, because I thought they didn't like him? Yet, they continue to call him the Messiah--perhaps it's a Freudian Slip--it's what they honestly believe. It must be that--they truly believe that Obama is as wonderful as the Messiah.

The Obama girls had very little to do with where they are sent to school--they should not be used in a campaign without their parents' permission--I wouldn't want my child used without my permission, and I'm certainly neither the President nor the First Lady.
 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
Msg: 60
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Posted: 8/16/2009 1:12:07 PM
Yup; I didn't proof-read.
"...and I'm certain neither do the President and First Lady..." is what I should have posted.

Double standard...I'm gonna say, "No."
The Obamas were very careful not to expose their daughters to the media and the public during the campaign--the opposite of what the Palins did with their children. I don't recall any of the Palin kids being used as advertising.

The children--all of them--should be off-limits. Period.
 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
Msg: 64
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Posted: 8/16/2009 3:40:29 PM

...and those of you on the left think this is ok, because you don't like Palin....


I really hate it when people don't read what is posted.

What I said was that ALL (EVERY SINGLE ONE) of the children are off-limits.
Meaning: NO child(ren) should be used in ANY way to promote anything.

I saw much more of the Palin children than I did the Obama children during the campaign.
I do NOT agree with 'trashing' anyone's children.
 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
Msg: 69
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Posted: 8/16/2009 5:39:25 PM
'K...let me say this ONE MORE TIME.
I do not believe that it is acceptable for the children of politicians to be used without their parents' approval/permission.

Is that clear enough?
The statement I made about Palin WAS ABOUT PALIN, NOT HER CHILDREN.


"Presedent Obama doesn't need anyone to stand up for him--he's a grown up man--he knew what he was getting into when he opened himself up to public scrutiny. He brought his children onto the world stage, and certainly he was aware of the possible consequences."

True.
But not about his children being used without his permission.

...........and.......
"The Palin girls had very little to do with what baseball game they were going to--they should not be used in a sick joke without their parents' permission--I wouldn't want my child used without my permission, and I'm certain neither the Governor nor the First dude would either."

True.
And?
 where4
Joined: 10/1/2008
Msg: 70
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Posted: 8/16/2009 9:04:20 PM
msg. 63:
As to Palin metioning her down syndorome son in regards to the death panel. I think if you have been keeping up with the demonstrations and meetings there are many who have children with very high special needs saying the same thing as Palin.
And what point does that prove? To me it proves that they are following the leader, $aint $arah, who has scared them with evil nonsense. The irony is that children with 'special needs' -- most definitely those with Down Syndrome, like Trigg Palin -- automatically qualify for Social Security benefits. They not only won't be going before any fictional "death panels" but will have government-provided health care benefits for life. And vocational assistance, and many other social services, free of cost to them or their families.What a joke! There's your Big Government health care program for ya!



Hey even Obama is bringing out his Grandma for support on health care reform.
I haven't heard that, but is this his Grandma who died last year? I believe his Grandma in Hawaii died shortly before he was elected. Regardless, if she needed help obtaining or keeping health insurance, maybe he is citing her case, as he has cited his mother's, who died of cancer worrying about the medical bills.
 where4
Joined: 10/1/2008
Msg: 71
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Posted: 8/16/2009 11:52:06 PM
^^^ I feel like I should clarify my first point in the post above by saying that I do NOT begrudge the benefits that special needs children and adults receive in my country. I also would not begrudge the rest of our citizenry having access to regular health care services, either. It's only RIGHT.

Following that, I'll chide myself for veering off the original topic of this thread.
 arwen52
Joined: 3/13/2008
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Posted: 8/17/2009 1:59:18 PM

What is this "messi" BS you keep throwing in?



You really can't figure that out on your own.And they let you drink,drive....and vote?????
And the scary part is we live minutes from each other...........


I don't drink and drive. Not at the same time. And I think if you have something to say, you should come out and say it and not make sarcastixc inferences.

As I pointed out earlier, even Republicans agree that the kids should be left out of it. If Palin wants to keep dragging her own kids into the fray, that's her business.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
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Posted: 8/17/2009 9:39:56 PM
I know "vegetarian" is Bannock Shoshone for "lousy hunter." What's "vegan" though? All I know is it sure sounds un-American.

Kids should eat well. All kids. tThe President has work to do. It would be a much better outlet for his outrage IMHO.
 arwen52
Joined: 3/13/2008
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Posted: 8/19/2009 8:16:29 AM

^^^^^^And I was so hoping you could figure this out on you own.^^^^^^^


Is there a reason you resort to snide insinuations and don't just come out and say what you have to say? If you have something worthwhile to say, come out and say it. If all you can do is make snide implications, you aren't contributing anything useful to the conversation.
 dmotz
Joined: 11/19/2008
Msg: 79
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Posted: 8/29/2009 4:58:47 PM
Why should the obama kids be off limits? For the past 8 years...the liberal media has blasted Bush, his kids and everything that was not democrat.
As long as the kids photo;s are not used and the message is the truth...go for it....
Let the left cry...they are picking on us...all they want.
 where4
Joined: 10/1/2008
Msg: 88
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Posted: 9/4/2009 1:12:43 AM
@ msg. #80:
…Thus the grandkids are now on Youtube. Dems Push For ObamaCare at Teddy Kennedy's Funeral http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMKHvnXLk2E


Thanks for posting the link. Here’s a partial transcription of that video clip from Ted Kennedy’s funeral mass in Boston:


INTERCESSION prayed by Kennedy child [Max Allen]: “For what my grandpa called the cause of his life, as he said so often, in every part of this land that every American will have decent quality health care as a fundamental right and not a privilege, we pray to the Lord.”

RESPONSE of the People: “Lord, hear our prayer!”

INTERCESSION prayed by Kennedy child [name?]: “For my grandfather’s brave promise last summer that ‘The work begins anew, the hope rises again, and the dream lives on,’ we pray the Lord.”

RESPONSE of the People: “Lord, hear our prayer!”


Are you really complaining about children’s prayers at their grandfather’s funeral mass? Because one child emphasized an issue that you don’t like but the whole world knows the deceased grandfather held dear?

Obama (or his staff) complained about an advertisement that contained direct reference to the young Obama daughters. They didn't like it. That's what we're talking about here.

Would Kennedy have complained about the prayers of his young family members? Would Kennedy (or his staff) have complained about Fox News broadcasting the video? To be sure, I haven’t heard that any of the Kennedy clan has complained to Fox. If you think it’s improper, maybe you’d like to take that up with Fox News, huh?
 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
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Posted: 9/4/2009 9:51:38 AM

but Barrack and Michelle have NO problem whatsoever using the girls to emphasize campaign and WH house issues.


Really?
For which 'campaign and WH issues' have the Obama girls been used?

Or--is this just one more example of hyperbole?

If one is going to make accusations, then at least back them up with examples in order to be taken seriously.
 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
Msg: 95
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Posted: 9/4/2009 12:13:26 PM
But where are the examples of campaign and White House 'issues' that the girls have been in on?

Yes, all families are introduced to the American public during the campaign--that is hardly an 'issue', to use the word the poster used.

Have the girls sat in on State business?
Do they have a vote in regard to foreign affairs?
Obama referenced his daughters in a remark about abortion--is that really an 'issue'? Or nitpicking?

Is there a difference between referencing one's daughters and in using them in an advertising promotion without the parents' permission?

Weak examples, and they do nothing to prove the point.
 where4
Joined: 10/1/2008
Msg: 97
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Posted: 9/4/2009 4:38:26 PM

Is there a difference between referencing one's daughters and in using them in an advertising promotion without the parents' permission?

Yes, there IS a difference. And that's why we're having this discussion. Thank you for framing the issue so succinctly.
 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
Msg: 99
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Posted: 9/4/2009 7:46:17 PM
I'm only speaking for myself--can't guess what others are thinking, and I don't pretend to speak for many/most/some.

Yes; it is okay for Obama to promote healthy lunches with his daughters--that's a no-brainer--he is THEIR FATHER.

It is quite another thing for the girls to be used without parental permission.
That whole pesky 'permission' thingy seems to be difficult for some to wrap their brains around.
It isn't rocket science.

I have stated elsewhere on this board that ALL children should be off-limits.
Another no-brainer.

The issue isn't one of hypocrisy--This is about a specific instance.
Keep it on track.
 littlelynx
Joined: 9/28/2009
Msg: 106
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Posted: 10/6/2009 11:22:24 AM
I have to admit, it gives the issue and organization attention. But, positive attention?
I don't know about that.
The campaign lacks class.
Children should never be targeted, no matter who their parents are.

It's ironic b/c it is meant to get to the heart of People, their sympathy.
But, most people that easily sympathize/empathizes with children, will be put off that the Obama girls are being exploited.
 littlelynx
Joined: 9/28/2009
Msg: 107
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Posted: 10/6/2009 11:28:05 AM

Obama only has himself to Blame he used his kids in every photo op he could during the campaign.Putting yourself out there as the Celebrity President kind of changes the rules a bit.Kind of pointless to close the barn door after the Horses already got out especially when you were the one who opened it....


You really think that he should have ignored the fact that he had a family?
Look at Kennedy, Bush, Clinton, all presidents that had adolescent childern....
They embraced the fact that they were a family and pictures of the family were always classy and it embodies the history and aesthetic of American presidents.
It isn't valid to say he should be blamed for that.
 NappyKAT
Joined: 7/2/2008
Msg: 115
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Posted: 10/8/2009 7:50:25 AM
Those that can not appreciate Obama's daughters, I just want to put a cloak around them and protect them from all this harsh shit. I love these girls. It gives me a great sense of pride to see some little BLACK kids in the WHITE house. I do wish the had son to make it complete or even.

The fact that they are black is not lost on others. A couple of months ago the oldest girl was photograph in Hawaii with a peace-sign t-shirt on. Some right-wing radio or television blog had the photo up and had one of those 'caption this photo' thing. Oh my god the racist and most sexist things were said about these young girls! Stuff like about when was she going to get her first abortion and stuff like that. They haven't done anything to deserve such comments at all! No one deserves such comments but they are kids.

The thing at hand, asking about why the girls have something and other's dont - I don't really have a problem with that itself but that's a slippery slope and I don't wanna see where it can lead too - so no I don't think they should be in such ads and Pres Obama and his wife were absolutely right to stop it.

And Obama didn't put his children out there for photo ops. During his campaign he mostly by himself. I didn't really even see the children untill his inauguration. And I saw a few front page headlining photos in magazines that glamorized the first family and that was it. After that, they don't purposely do photo ops but the media follows them around and take every picture they can find. They disect Ms. Obama and the children on everything because ofcourse they are 'different' (read: Black) so they want to know what other difference is gonna go with that.
 imalwayssmiling
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Posted: 10/8/2009 4:19:21 PM
absolutely,the little girls did not run for office,that needs parental approval,those with the posters should be able to be arrested for taking advantage of a minor or using a minor without parental consent.Those innocent young girls are not the advertising spokepeople for our countries school lunches or in a position to be ridiculed that maybe they have something different than other kids.
 imalwayssmiling
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Posted: 10/10/2009 9:05:39 AM

It should be up to the parents where and when and how their children are exposed to the media.
the haters cannot comprehend your thought,that being the only correct thought that only a parent can decide if they want their kids used.Guess if I took their kids and used them for,say,like ,car advertisements then he might understand he lost total control of how I'm using his kids,maybe I'll use them,in a beware of hemorrhoids ads,that might get the basic concept across to the haters,hmmm,maybe "Kids are against world peace" ads.Then all of a sudden you would hear these same parents,actually do think its the parents decision if their kids will be used by strangers.

Apparently they believe a parent has no choice on how a stranger uses their kids.They spelled that out clearly and I say they're very wrong.On these Obama threads it seems the haters say almost anything to stay opposed,and even they later regret their stance.Its alot of work to hate.
 ~Azul Ojos~
Joined: 7/2/2008
Msg: 125
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Posted: 10/10/2009 9:49:48 AM

^^^Agree. Hate. The hate against this man is almost pure in it's essense, very virulent and malevolent. Gosh, really, it must take a lot of energy, so much hating. I didn't like Bush, didn't like him at all, but I'd never consider spending to much time, thought and enery into finding fault with every breath he took.


ismene2 ~ I agree with many of your posts and thoughts, and most definitely on this particular point.

If some of the zealots who spend all their energy into hating would put that energy into something productive the world would be a much nicer place. I can't imagine living with all the anger inside that these people have... They just sound like very unhealthy, miserable, bitter people.

 imalwayssmiling
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Posted: 10/10/2009 9:55:22 AM

Absolutely and emphatically disagree. Even if a parent makes a mistake, and then tries to correct that mistake, does that mean they are not allowed to and the child should suffer for it indefinitely? I cannot believe the meanness of heart and spirit that makes people want to visit upon two innocent children a virulent dislike of the father. Unbelieveable.
I absolutely agree,it should be embarrassing to post a comment like he did,he actually thinks one can use and abuse children,unbelievable,you should be ashamed of yourself,this is not something that's allowed because of fame or richness,or maybe you have levels of acceptability,its ok if its advertising kittens or green energy but wrong if its porn advertisement.I'm here to tell you its not acceptable in any light ,for any reason,no matter how harmless "you" or others think,and still I stand firmly on my statement that those that are using them now should be up for charges of using minors against there will.A very serious act.Its an actual crime !At least let the abusers cease immediately and post a very public apology clearly stating how wrong and repentant they truly are,and how it will never happen again !
 imalwayssmiling
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Posted: 10/10/2009 10:40:54 AM
are you for real ? this whole argument is about adults that think they can use strangers kids photos as their advertisement models without consent of the parent,irregardless if the parent is rich or poor or famous or a nobody.Please don't infuse a completely different subject into this thread,find the appropriate forum since your question has not a shred to do with this topic !
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