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 motownmaniax
Joined: 8/13/2006
Msg: 45
Favourites & Last 5 Forum Posts being removed from profilesPage 2 of 10    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10)
Well, ahem, according to Late, he got an "overwhelmingly negative" amount of comments about the forums post on our profiles vs the favs count (when doing his mod duties).

I submitted that was crazy, that I never got one negative comment about my forums posts showing up on my profile, but a boatload of snide comments about my favs count. Moreover, whenever I went into POF complaint threads, one of the biggest was favs count, not forums posts. As the comments in this thread alone has borne out, people are much more negative about the favs count than the forums posts feature. In fact, most want the forums post back and to h*ll with the favs?

But I guess I don't know what the heck I'm talking about.
 motownmaniax
Joined: 8/13/2006
Msg: 46
Favourites & Last 5 Forum Posts being removed from profiles
Posted: 8/23/2009 6:24:52 PM
As has been put forth in this thread and I recommended months ago in other threads, Markus could give us the choice to turn on/off the feature. We already have a gazillion choices on our Edit page, so what's one more?

But Late is right -- if Markus has decided the feature is no longer useful, it's gone. I'll abide by it. The favs count caused much more trouble and dissension than it was worth and I have no problem with its demise. I won't miss it one bit.

Mo
 Blue-Eyes-Shine
Joined: 11/26/2008
Msg: 47
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Favourites & Last 5 Forum Posts being removed from profiles
Posted: 8/23/2009 6:50:56 PM
Aaaah I will miss the forum posts. I felt it gave me insight into what kind of person they are. I don't miss the favorite count. I was on 44 and only 10 that I actually had contact with...made me feel like a computer whore.
 motownmaniax
Joined: 8/13/2006
Msg: 48
Favourites & Last 5 Forum Posts being removed from profiles
Posted: 8/23/2009 7:20:48 PM
Candid, if you didn't have a lot of favs you don't really understand the big brouhaha. If you get up to a 100 or more look out. I had 335 on mine (people adding my profile to their list, or the count everybody use to see on their profiles) and I can't tell you how many sarcastic little zingers and lefthanded putdowns I got about it. I finally decided to delete everything down to zero, but within a month it was back up to 55. There was no programming in place to stop people from just re-adding you again ad infinitum. I vowed I will not become a slave to monitoring the dang list and only keep those I'm interested in. The best fix was to eliminate it altogether.

Now, the forums posts are a totally different matter. I never received one complaint from somebody about it. No "I can't believe I see your posts on your profile, get rid of them!!". I find out now that most of the complaints probably came from the people that wrote something stupid in the forums and didn't want people seeing it when they clicked on their profile (although, people would "still" have to actually "go" to the post in question to read the whole comment, since you only saw a snippet on the profile). If so, that is a "totally" different context from what I was talking about with Late in here and why we had a go-round.

The favs count was simple to see and had immediate impact, which is why so many people got bent out of shape and it caused so many recriminations.

Oh well, que sera sera.
 motownmaniax
Joined: 8/13/2006
Msg: 49
Favourites & Last 5 Forum Posts being removed from profiles
Posted: 8/23/2009 7:25:55 PM
Agree, it's up to Markus, though.
 motownmaniax
Joined: 8/13/2006
Msg: 51
Favourites & Last 5 Forum Posts being removed from profiles
Posted: 8/23/2009 8:06:44 PM
I believe IM went away, period -- pay or not. Another useless feature I never used...lol. I think I opened it about two times, and when I did got immediately bombarded with requests to chat. If I didn't respond right away I got the usual, "Huh, too good to talk to me, eh!!" response, sometimes even blocked. I bet most people had similar experiences, and never turned on the feature more than a few times before finally leaving it off.
 motownmaniax
Joined: 8/13/2006
Msg: 52
Favourites & Last 5 Forum Posts being removed from profiles
Posted: 8/23/2009 8:18:24 PM
when it comes to lazy people, ...I feel nothing but apathy towards them.


Totally agree. But I'd still like to be able to hyperlink it. I assume there's a filter to make sure people only post POF urls, anyway, correct? ~wink
 motownmaniax
Joined: 8/13/2006
Msg: 54
Favourites & Last 5 Forum Posts being removed from profiles
Posted: 8/23/2009 9:01:32 PM
4real, I did a search on "forums post" a little while ago, too, but there were very few that were "specifically" targeted about forums posts on our profiles, and even less concerning people having issues about seeing them on another's profile. Most just said they wanted to hide them but didn't give very specific reasons. Most of the reasons, as have been supplied in here, seemed to be because they posted something stupid or embarrassing, so sheepishly didn't want others to see it. Awww....lol.

That, as opposed to the overwhelming feedback I've seen about simply seeing high favs counts on profiles and the negative impact it has. Heck, there's an active thread that is laced with references to profile favs counts right now? Go look through the last few pages if you don't believe me?

Top 5 things you hate seeing/reading in profiles...
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts12953998.aspx

But I agree with Late's fix. Just put the url for last 25 posts on your profile yourself, if that's what one wants. I just wish we could make it clickable.
 motownmaniax
Joined: 8/13/2006
Msg: 57
Favourites & Last 5 Forum Posts being removed from profiles
Posted: 8/23/2009 9:50:01 PM
Late: I'm talking about years of seeing almost every single thread posted in this forum on a daily basis, you don't believe me? No problem, but at least have the decency to back your assertion that I'm mistaken or lying, ...with something plausible.


Below are post comments on the last few pages in the thread I referred to above (I purposely left out my own references on the subject of favs count, as to not pad the posts) which goes to the mindset of what I was talking about:

Being on the favourites list of 200 or more people. Out of 200+ people, they can't find ONE that is suitable for a date? No... that's someone who is just seeking attention and isn't serious about dating at all.

People with hundreds of friend's-This aint facebook or some popularity contest.we are supposed to be looking for a particular "individual".whats the point of having 200 friends but still single?

quote~~When you see someone with provocative pictures and who has been on this site for a long time and still can't find a single person to date of 200+ 'favourites' (and I've seen that number as high as the 800 range), it's pretty clear that she's not serious about dating and is just here for the attention.

EXACTLY!!!!!

800 people on a friends list? POF must be this person's life! LOL
____________________________________________

I didn't see even one mention about forums posts before the change occurred. There were a couple afterward, and one that seemed to regret it went away.

The whole question's moot, anyway. Btw, I wrote I agree with your fix, Late. You want it in blood?
 motownmaniax
Joined: 8/13/2006
Msg: 58
Favourites & Last 5 Forum Posts being removed from profiles
Posted: 8/24/2009 8:50:56 AM
The favs count problem seem to be geared more to women's profiles, btw. They as a gender seemed to average higher fav counts than the men. I know one woman that had, and this is no lie, 2,500+ favs on her profile. I routinely ran across women with 400, 500, 600+ fav counts. It wasn't because because of anything the women did (although some did pander to get attention) but rather just a bunch of horny guys that apparently love accumulating hot chicks...lol.
 1ToExplore
Joined: 6/12/2006
Msg: 60
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last 5 forum posts.. gone.
Posted: 8/24/2009 12:04:34 PM
What is sad is that alot of people had fun with the favorites on this site, and they decide to take them away. They should at least make it option. I dont want my forum post to show on my profile, but the favorites were fine. Why listen to a bunch of whiner who cant get dates any ways..
 motownmaniax
Joined: 8/13/2006
Msg: 62
last 5 forum posts.. gone.
Posted: 8/24/2009 3:44:51 PM
Check the many FAQs, the main problem with the fave count being displayed was with some people's predilection for making assumptions based in ignorance.


100% Agree, Late. Everybody that sees a high count, even if they knew what it was and where it came from, subliminally thought the person must be an attention whore.

Just from observation, women's profiles just happened to have higher counts (more men appear to be bigger serial favs adders than the gals), so seemed to suffer disproportionally from this ignorance of reading too much into the count.

Glad it's gone.

I see some are using this thread as an opportunity to take swipes at Markus and this site. Whiners about sites always irritated me. If you don't like it here and can't give constructive criticism, there's nothing stopping you from closing down your acct and leaving.
 Mister Logic
Joined: 3/5/2009
Msg: 64
last 5 forum posts.. gone.
Posted: 8/24/2009 5:48:27 PM

I personally agree with hiding the favorites numbers.

Me too.
 motownmaniax
Joined: 8/13/2006
Msg: 68
Favorites count
Posted: 8/24/2009 8:01:23 PM
^^^ You still have all your favs, and can look up who's added you to their lists if you want. The visible count's gone because it was causing too much negative reaction.
 motownmaniax
Joined: 8/13/2006
Msg: 71
Favorites count
Posted: 8/24/2009 9:19:02 PM
I'll just take your word for this, as I tend to look at more women's profiles as opposed to men's ones, I'm just wired that way.


Neither am I.

Obviously, just like "you", I can't make a definitive assessment. But from the feedback I've gotten from women, they didn't see the kinds of high counts on men's profiles that I've seen on women's, and certainly not the regularity. I'm also going by a certain age range, since I don't make it a habit of looking at the young gals. Maybe you're into that.

My "opinion" is some people love My Space-type friends accumulation, and love adding to their favs list for the simple act of adding.


Are you going to stop diggin' your own grave at some point?


Hey, Pal, you started with the snide comments.

I'm giving opinions in here, just like you. You want to play final arbiter and mod of this thread regarding what can be written, but give yourself a free pass, so be it. With your style, even after I'm gone I'm sure I won't be the only one you'll have a run in with. Happy trails.
 manforrent
Joined: 7/24/2006
Msg: 75
forum posts/favorites numbers
Posted: 8/25/2009 9:38:29 AM
actually I don't mind loosing the last 5 posts thing but I sure would like to see the favs count remain.

I have found this to be the most effective way to eliminate people who you know you won't have a chance with. If you have some little princess who is on over 100 favs and is too picky to be able to choose one decent guy out of the lot then theres no sense wasting your time writing an emails so she can boost her little pathetic ego by deleting it.

personally I think markus is doing all these changes because men are getting fed up with the site and the bad attitudes of the women here and are starting to leave in droves, or like myself, no longer wasting their time writing to imature selfcentered daddys girls who have never seen a pastry they couldn't cram into their ever expanding bellies.

hate me if you wish, but I'd rather be hated than ignored
 pleasurelimits
Joined: 2/9/2009
Msg: 83
Favourites & Last 5 Forum Posts being removed from profiles
Posted: 8/25/2009 4:58:14 PM
What I want to know is why when I log onto Forums that the sex and sexuality title no longer appears? love an answer to this
 motownmaniax
Joined: 8/13/2006
Msg: 91
Favourites & Last 5 Forum Posts being removed from profiles
Posted: 8/26/2009 4:22:30 PM
Forums on a dating site is just a tool like any other, but I think a powerful one, even if not used by everybody or used for varying purposes. I know of many people that read forums posts even though they’ve never actually posted, so averages regarding total users vs forums users has the possibility of being distorted.

I think every dating site should have a robust and well but not overly moderated forums. POF agrees with this or they would have simply shut the present forums down (my understanding is they did once, but brought it back).

There are also plenty of other features not universally used on a dating site, but are supplied due to other considerations, like enhancing a user’s experience or simply being "fun" to do. I personally have never used many POF features, like “Create your seduction guide”, “Matchmaker” between two friends, “Can you hold a relationship?”, etc. I'm wondering just how many actually have. If some do like these features and get enjoyment out of them, fine.

Obviously, like many other profile options, the previous forums post links were not absolutely needed, but certainly helped those so inclined to use it.

The disuse of the links has been dealt with by simply adding your own posting history URL to your profile. If that’s the fix, how about giving us the opportunity to hyperlink it. As has already been stated, POF has a bot to make sure "only" POF URL’s are allowed on our profiles, so having HTML coding around a legitimate link should not be a problem.
 Rythmn
Joined: 1/21/2006
Msg: 93
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forum posts/favorites numbers
Posted: 8/26/2009 6:19:12 PM
well, if people think that favorites are all about dating all of them, then i must be quite a trollop! i usually did a weeding after a hundred or so, but i've been posting here for a good three years. even posted when in relationship, just said "not looking". asked above, how many favs have we met? well, i've met a number within the state, hosted a few travelling through, talk to many on the phone via magic jack which is free to usa and canada--and private email quite a good number. a large number were "quality" contacts, usually from the forums. so, i figure as i weeded out slowly but surely, i had contact with at least 4 out of 5 favorites. not all at once, but many with similar continuity as with old friends from back east.

now, if men who do not participate on the forums, do not contact me because of the fav number, then that is soooooooooo sad. i did put a disclaimer on my profile, describing my use of it for forum buddies. if they didn't get it or didn't question it, then just how bright are they anyways? i mean "do the math" ! i'm 60 years old. what do they think i am? a madame?

as to the missing five posts. it's driving me away from posting and reading. i tried to see the top posts of each forum topic, but it just didn't work in keeping me in sync with fellow posters. maybe i'll try the url trick. but, that will take a lot of time to afix so many e-buddies. i come here to relax, not to do more work. however, i have gotten my butt out the house, since the posts were removed!

if i were to have my plea! BRING THEM BACK OR ALLOW A CHOICE. the favs can be argued both ways it appears. that is no biggie to me, i have enough self confidence. however, at my age, i do think it was helpful. yet, here are people contacting me, who would not have before. so, "whatever". just give me back the posts or yes, it would be nice if people put their posting urls up and i will be doing that. it would then be a bit easier, although still not as good as before.

ps when i posted something i didn't want the general public to read, i made sure to post six times to at least get it off my profile! so not sure why that is such a big issue.
 motownmaniax
Joined: 8/13/2006
Msg: 94
forum posts/favorites numbers
Posted: 8/26/2009 7:19:17 PM
For those that still want to track who adds them to their favs, go to your Mail Settings and scroll down until you see this line:

Send me an email when someone adds me to their favorites: [ ]Yes [ ]No

Click the Yes radio button and whenever someone adds you to their list you'll get an email. The favorites count was just a representation on your profile. The list the count derived from still remains. If you need to update your email address, go to your Registration (can be found at the bottom of your Edit page). Remember to save any changes.
 victoriasnewsecret
Joined: 1/23/2008
Msg: 96
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Posted: 8/27/2009 1:08:42 PM
So I guess they're never going to put our number count on our personal favorites page? I admit, I'm really missing that feature. I relied on that number for a lot of things, and I'm sad to see it gone. I want to at least know how many people know the exact times that I'm logging on - I think that's reasonable considering it concerns my privacy.

If we don't have the option to SEE the number and SEE every person who's added us, then we should have the option to DISABLE favoriting altogether. I'll start a new post about this soon if it isn't sufficiently addressed.
 jadegreen
Joined: 2/3/2006
Msg: 97
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Posted: 8/27/2009 1:16:41 PM
The forum threads on profiles was an easy way to gauge the morality of an individual and was liked by many people...

Sometimes their morals are not easy to see on a profile description. However opinions on forum issues gave you a better picture of that. Sad to see it gone...Sad to see that the moderator is in a "non-listening" mode. A good moderator should be a good listener and FAIR otherwise why have you even left this thread open logically? This attitude is dictatorship and insensitive

The way we retrieve our forum posts is now "inefficient" for the users...I don't know about the programming code behind the seens and how complicated it was or if has been made "shorter" now...taking up less memory space in the background etc...but some more logical answers would be nice...I have worked with raw HTML programming code and am familiar with it...I realize this is a free site, but the attitude behind the scenes lately is unbelievable...

If this is an issue of bad Public Relations due to awful forum postings then better moderators would solve that problem...sorry gotta call the shots as I see them and be honest...
 victoriasnewsecret
Joined: 1/23/2008
Msg: 98
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Posted: 8/27/2009 1:26:26 PM

Just look at the list, where it's not just a number, but the profiles that have faved you. Set your mail settings to "email when someone favorites me". There are still options to the change in both features


Thanks late, but unfortunately that method of tracking isn't particularly effective. I have/had around 600 favorites - the favorites page cuts off after a certain number. I can't track around 5/6ths of the people who have already added me.

Further, a new person could add me (as tracked by email) and then remove me quickly and I'd never know if I'm still on their list, unless they've logged on recently enough that they'd show up on my favorites before the cutoff (usually within the last few hours). And unless I've added them to my favorites, it's impossible to confirm if they've removed me.

Just looking at the list would help if it showed everyone who adds you, but unfortunately it does not.
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