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 ReallyCleverOne
Joined: 4/4/2009
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This guy is a total self serving moron, and no one should waste their money on the crap he sandwiches between two covers

Have you even read the book? He has nothing to GAIN by saying the thing he says in the book. Steve Harvey is already very wealthy at all of the other stuff he does (tv, radio, standup, etc). He didn't need to write a book to make money. Try reading the book before you assume you know what it's about & why he wrote it.
 colt8301
Joined: 10/25/2006
Msg: 63
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Posted: 10/4/2009 8:57:18 AM
Gold-digger i can see it being created by men but as a cop out for financial responsibility I don't know, then again maybe, it's general term. yes, there are men out there who don't want to pay for nothing so as soon as a woman expect the check she's a gold digger, at the same time there are women who prey on men with money. In this day, it's hard to separate the real from fake, who knows the origin of the word, but I respect his opinion.
 ColonelIngus
Joined: 9/16/2007
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Posted: 10/4/2009 9:15:45 AM

Have you even read the book? He has nothing to GAIN by saying the thing he says in the book.

You make it sound like he's some humanitarian giving the book away for free. He's not.

Just last week he was on Tyra plugging it, and I know he's made the rounds of other women's TV shows doing the same. There are rather lengthy excerpts of the book (almost whole chapters) available online at his publisher for perusal. So I've read enough of him to think I know to my satisfaction basically where he's coming from.

In condensed form, he's a traditionalist going around telling women what men's place is. A female version of him would be going around telling men about how women's place is in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant, how she must be a beautiful young virgin at her first and only wedding, etc, etc.

It's not difficult to see why such a person in this day and age would not be taken very seriously by many and would be called names like "idiot" and "moron". He has opinions and a point of view (little or none of which I share), but not much more. It's not like his book considers different points of view and reasons it's way to some conclusions which the reader is either allowed to accept or not. It's more like he's trying to come off as women's savior, having come down from the mountain with his tablets of The Way It Is And The Way It's Supposed To Be. It's easy for me to say I think saviorism is delusion, and that by not considering things in any depth he comes across as someone who doesn't really know what he's talking about, even if he thinks he does. Some will respond to his preaching, and him appointing himself as some sort of authority with The Truth and All The Answers. Others will be turned off by him taking the attitude that we're all little children who are supposed to believe him just because he says so.

To get back on topic, Durandal26 (Msg 50) is correct that in the statement alluded to by the OP, Harvey is at least guilty of totally confounding the issues of child support and women who are in it only for the money. And he does so in a very superficial and simplistic fashion, totally discounting the male experience of getting into it for love, being ejected some years later by the woman on a whim from "his" family, having "his" kids taken from him by her (with the help of the state), and then being forced (again, by the state) to subsidize all this for the duration with his earnings -- how what started out as being about love ends up being only about his money. It would only be natural that a man who has experienced this would feel used and would be a tad bit resentful.

In short, Harvey's "ideas" are barely worth debating (to be generous), and I don't think his book is worth reading any more of than I already did.
 RushLuv
Joined: 4/16/2009
Msg: 65
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Posted: 10/4/2009 9:23:06 AM
I don't think what he said was all that bad. The fact is that many men throw the term gold digger around like water.

Some of them are so insecure to the point where if a woman makes the slightest move, she is considered a gold digger.

Frankly, I don't go chasing after men's wallets, so this doesn't mean much to me at all.
 GeneralizingNow
Joined: 10/10/2007
Msg: 66
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Posted: 10/4/2009 9:24:36 AM
OH, ha ha I thought you meant THE John Locke, since you were talking about duty and stuff. Too funny!

Hm, Colonel watches Tyra?! That's the funniest part of this whole thread!
 Zardoz451
Joined: 3/28/2009
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Posted: 10/4/2009 9:25:20 AM
Sooo...

A Tru (TM) feminist is one who only champions societial standards when it benefits THEM and seeks to destroy those standards that are detrimental to them...sexist.

I'm a feminist. I even had the ex's last name to back it up.
I believe in equality and actually practice it.

If I'm to the door 1st, I open it and keep it open...I also expect the same.
I don't pull the chair out nor do I expect her to do the same for me.
When 'meeting' someone. I go Dutch and try to ensure that we're meeting at a mutually agreeable place. I'm a single, 24/7 custodial father, I fully understand a single mother's position...and see how society is set up to pander to them a little more over us, rareish, single dads.

If I INVITE you to a DATE, I have no problems paying but, unless it's reciprocated in kind, I may stop after a short while.
I have no problems if the lady's version of a date is financially inexpen$ive but, she should have the same expectations of me.
A stroll or jog in the park over a multi-course meal and chez $nob$alot is fine.
But, she should be fine if I select those options too.
The goal is to meet and get to know someone a little better.
NOT to 'BUY' someone.

And, to think it's some 'Duty' or 'Societial' expectation that a man...or woman, dance to some archaic notion that died out a GENERATION ago...give me a break.
If you want, truely want, to believe that.
Then, I want to return to the notion that it's a woman's DUTY to put out on the 3rd date. And, the more I spend on her, the more perversly freaky she'll be in 'rewarding' me.

In the end, if you want EQUALITY, you have to act like an equal. You want the man to be a little more compassionate and understanding? To communicate with you and take a very active interest in child rearing? You have to make some adaptations too.
The first is: Ditch the 'entitlement' attitude.
Or, find a man dumb enough to put up with it...just don't be surprised at the eventual break-up and divorce.



Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to hold the door open for a nice lass...it's our 3rd date and I'm feeling a little randy...
 wolftxus
Joined: 2/24/2009
Msg: 68
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Posted: 10/4/2009 9:45:24 AM
"Statistics show that WE STILL DO NOT EARN AS MUCH AS OUR MALE COUNTERPARTS."
To the lady who wants equal rights but unequal duties (wouldn't that be nice): Read Thomas Sowell on economy or check with any good business school why you did not interpret the statistics right. In fact, without any sexist agenda it would be unwise to underpay women - just as it is unwise to be racist. From a business perspective you have an interest in proper pay or you risk losing a good worker to the competition. If you want to complain, do something about preferential treatment for women-owned businesses (if they are half as good as they are made out to be they don't need any subsidies).

As for some other posters, it is usually not about a coffee or a dinner on a first date. The term gold digger would not even come to mind unless she insisted on a fancier restaurant and picked the most expensive item. Yes, those exist. Even then, the term describes those who drain the most value out of a guy in a relationship just to dump him without a major emotional investment. However, a first date and its conversation topics can reveal such a person early on. Mocking the price of a coffee does not invalidate that women with such a mindset are out there. No need to feel insulted unless you are one of them.
 LDF85
Joined: 6/20/2009
Msg: 69
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Posted: 10/4/2009 10:16:20 AM
A lot of women feel that the men who complain about gold diggers are usually the ones who have nothing to dig. But one could also say that most of the women who do the gold digging aren't super models either. Perhaps both sexes are a little deluded?
 WHITE CANOPY
Joined: 3/29/2009
Msg: 70
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Posted: 10/4/2009 10:54:37 AM
WOW, is a woman labled a gold-digger because shes tired of her body being used while looking and hoping to find mr. right? im sure there are kids at home and dad has probably abandon them so she benefits financially. a male anatomy isnt beneficial, hell she probably has that in her night stand drawer. besides, that wont get those bills paid. a man, not male is SUPPOSED to take care of his woman and children. that is his role. things have gotten a lil out of pocket not because this is a new generation but because men are not raising their sons. and our men today dont have a clue on what a mans role is. our daughters are out there spreading their legs because dad isnt there to tell her, she doesnt have to do that. nine out of ten, a man is looking for a warm place to put it and on the same token, a woman is looking for love and her husband. im old fashion. when im out on a date, i expect the man to take care of it. i like for my doors to be opened. yesssssssss, i love being treated like a lady and a lady does not pay for a date. this does not make me a gold-digger. we all have our role. i may not buy you dinner on a date but i will definately cook you dinner and serve it to you. in todays economy it takes 2, 3 hell maybe even 4 paychecks to make it. a woman sees herself giving up the goodies and wondering how the hell is she going to pay the light bill, as something terribly wrong. the man thats getting the goody should be checking to see if her needs have been met. womens foreplay is not sexual. if we know you have our backs and looking out for us, relieving us from some financial stress, THATS our foreplay. we will freak all over you and treat you like a king, IF we are the right woman. men like sex and women like money. thats it thats all. im not saying women dont like sex and men dont like money so please dont get this twisted but dont call a woman a gold-digger for this reason. i think a gold-digger is a woman that feels so USED that she will never allow herself to be put in that position again and at this point she starts looking at relationships as $$$$$$$$$$$$.
 ReallyCleverOne
Joined: 4/4/2009
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Posted: 10/4/2009 11:51:31 AM

I don't think his book is worth reading any more of than I already did.

Again. Someone running off at the mouth about a book they did not read. Excerpts of anything can be taken out of context. Read the entire book before you pass judgment.
 youcantimagine
Joined: 9/15/2009
Msg: 72
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Posted: 10/4/2009 12:27:09 PM

Again. Someone running off at the mouth about a book they did not read. Excerpts of anything can be taken out of context. Read the entire book before you pass judgment.

Apparently you're an adamant supporter of the book, so I'm inclined to think you must share Steve Harvey's views and support them... How very sad for you.

Here are a few other quotes from the book:

we men can only nurture to a certain degree. It's not in our DNA..

That's certainly news to me, considering that the vast majority of nurturing that ever took place in my relationships, existed because of me and my efforts. Being nurturing towards someone you love isn't a gender specific quality, it's simply a quality of being human; and any guy that doesn't understand that, doesn't even know how to be a person much less be a man.


Men are driven by who they are, what they do, and how much they make. ... These three things make up the basic DNA of manhood.

I think very little of any man who has this "manly man" mentality and thinks that apparently he can speak for the rest of his gender... as if he somehow is an authority. Steve Harvey knows his heart; he knows his view of what a man is and is supposed to be... He certainly does not speak for men as a whole.


It is ok if women don't know how to cook as long as they "cook" in the bedroom.

Bullshit; a hundred thousand times, bullshit. If a woman wants to be with a man who isn't even capable, much less willing, of interacting with her on equal ground where both give and receive the respect and consideration due to them... then she should find a man like Steve Harvey who believes that as long as you can do things right in the bedroom then you're worth having. A lot of men have that kind of simpleton mentality; but no man worth being with will think like that.


The problem with women is they have this great spectrum of what love is, and they want it reciprocated the same way they give it out.

Really? Really? Really? Where, someone tell me where all these women apparently are who have this "great spectrum of what love is"... I haven't found any whose definition of love is a bit more complex than sleeping with me and letting me shower them with affection, attention and communication. And Harvey says "they want it reciprocated the same way they give it out." Really!? I'm pretty confident that there's a better chance of me winning my state's lottery than there is of most women wanting love reciprocated to them in exactly the way they show it.

Harvey is a fool; the guy is a very simple minded, attention-seeking, utter fool. He has taken a lot of very generic, unoriginal and over-used views that he knows women will respond to, and he's presented these views as his own, as if he's somehow the first one to ever come up with these lame ass statements he makes.
 DudeistPriest
Joined: 3/30/2009
Msg: 73
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Posted: 10/4/2009 12:36:46 PM
He's way off base. In fact, he's running the bases backwards. A woman that is involved with a man because of the size of his bank account IS a gold digger. The term has been co-opted by society to include a woman that might merely expect to have a gentleman buy her a drink, or dinner now and then.
He has put the cart before the horse, as it were.
I would like to add that while men may have coined the phrase, women started the practice.
 WHITE CANOPY
Joined: 3/29/2009
Msg: 74
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Posted: 10/4/2009 12:43:48 PM
YOUCANTIMAGINE, i tip my hat to you. thank you because if all men think like this, im shooting myself now!!!! your replies just saved my azz...
 ReallyCleverOne
Joined: 4/4/2009
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Posted: 10/4/2009 12:48:48 PM

Apparently you're an adamant supporter of the book, so I'm inclined to think you must share Steve Harvey's views and support them... How very sad for you.

I've read it twice and found it funny and enlightening both times. Do I take everything he says as the gospel? No. Unlike some people, I can read a body of work and not have the unrealistic expectation that I will agree with everything the author says. But because I do not agree with something doesn't mean the author is wrong or should automatically be discredited. It's called having perspective. The book was written after he noticed a trend in the letters that he received from women seeking advice about men & relationships and after he discussed the recurring questions with his group of male friends. At no point in this book does he say that he has been appointed by God to be the official representative of every single man in the world. Maybe some of what he says got you bent out of shape because he hit a sore spot and you felt convicted about something in your own life. Just sayin.
 youcantimagine
Joined: 9/15/2009
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Posted: 10/4/2009 1:00:31 PM

Maybe some of what he says got you bent out of shape because he hit a sore spot

"Some" of what he says got me bent out of shape? A whole hell of a lot of what that man says gets me bent out of shape. He's an extremely "Old School" type of person, masquerading as a modern day, open-thinking man that today's woman would desire... The guy has one concern - appeasement; Appeasement to both the genders... presenting himself in a way that will be accepted and respected by the majority of mainstream in regards to both sexes. To think that anyone, man or woman, will see Steve Harvey as some sort of guru of manhood, makes me cringe in unspeakable discomfort and irritation.

Harvey and men like him, are a very substantial contributer to the problems that men and women have with one another... because guys buy into his bullshit and think they should be less feeling, less nurturing, and more "manly"; and women buy into his bullshit and think they're wasting their time trying to gain respect for anything other than how good of a fuk they can be.
 leekatherine
Joined: 7/27/2009
Msg: 77
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Posted: 10/4/2009 1:19:30 PM
YCI -- I'm with you on absolutely everything except:

"I'm pretty confident that there's a better chance of me winning my state's lottery than there is of most women wanting love reciprocated to them in exactly the way they show it."

I get that that's been your experience, but I promise you it's not the norm -- at least among the women I know. Seems like you've had some not so great women in your dating life. How about relatives - your mom, sisters? There are good -- GREAT -- women out there; I am hoping you find yours.
 1kindMan4U
Joined: 5/23/2007
Msg: 78
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Posted: 10/4/2009 1:23:33 PM
Note: My posts come from the "scientific approach/analysis" to life. I virtually NEVER base my comments or opinions on my personal relationship experiences including my experiences in single parenting. Please keep this in mind whenever responding to my forum commentary.

This translates into: I'm NOT bitter, I DONT hate women. Thank you.


Havent read the book to get his lead-up or follow-up statements and examples of where he arrived at the term.

There seems to be a "sense of entitlement" in the female population that the "pleasure of THEIR company" is worth being paid for by any man who wants to get to know them. This seems to elevate HER company to be worth MORE to him, than HIS company is to her.

It then gets **stardized and called chivalry.

There's a real simple test that men can do to see if the woman is out for money, or is TRULY an evolved feminist into equality.

At the only risk being the cost of ONE drink, ask her if she would be willing to sign a pre-dating prenup to be followed by a pre-NUPTIAL agreement concerning finances.

The pre-dating prenup says that all dating will be assumed dutch treat unless otherwise stated. The asker can then ask about the activity irrespective of cost. The invitee can respond based upon his/her ability to afford to go, leaving the CHOICE of attending and the motivation to attend simply up to their desire to be with the person, not the sponsorship.

How she responds will tell you(the man) ALL you need to know about her intentions.

Your post says Mr. Harvey states that it IS "his financial RESPONSIBILITY to support the woman they love"

I never knew that financial responsibility was a component of LOVE.

In the current climate of equality.. isnt also the woman's RESPONSIBILITY to financially support the man THEY love?

Havent read the book, but it sure SOUNDS like a bunch of crapola to me.
 ReallyCleverOne
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Posted: 10/4/2009 1:27:31 PM

Harvey and men like him, are a very substantial contributer to the problems that men and women have with one another... because guys buy into his bullshit and think they should be less feeling, less nurturing, and more "manly"; and women buy into his bullshit and think they're wasting their time trying to gain respect for anything other than how good of a fuk they can be

Newsflash!!! This world has no shortage of unfeeling, unnuturing men. And they were out there long before Steve Harvey or "men like him" opened their mouths or put pen to paper. Don't pretend like Steve Harvey invented the concept or was glorifying it or justifying it as acceptable behavior. What he said is that men don't communicate their feelings and emotions in the same way as women. That's a freaking fact, not something he pulled out of his a$$.

And it's obvious you didn't read the book because your stance on what you think he had to say to women could not be more wrong. If nothing, he conveyed what very high regard & respect he has for women. He did not at any point in his book advise women that they didn't need to have anything going for them other than being good in bed. He urged women to keep their eyes open to the games that men play and remember that women and men don't process things the same so the way a man shows love isn't necessarily going to look the way a woman shows her love. He was trying to get women to understand things from A male perspective, not every male perspective.
 BACHELOR02
Joined: 8/9/2009
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Posted: 10/4/2009 2:35:44 PM
No need to over-analize Steve Harvey's comments, or his book. It's obvious to me that he's patronizing women, who buy most of the books like his. He's also a multi-millionaire, who doesn't have to worry about who picks up the check. He's also no authority on women, or he would still be married to his first wife. You can put all the spin on this one you want, but it won't change the fact that a lot of guys are mad as hell and they're not going to take it anymore! As someone once said "be careful what you wish for". All you feminist, womens' libbers, who wanted equality got what you wished for. As Dr. Phil says ..."how's it working for you, so far?"
 dustcloud
Joined: 5/25/2008
Msg: 81
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Posted: 10/4/2009 2:45:45 PM
I prefer to use the term parasite. It can be applied to both genders. These people are not that picky as to whom they will use. If they attach themselves to someone of the same gender, they are "best friends". They are very good at pushing the right buttons and pulling the right strings until it becomes obvious to the victim that they are really stealing. Then they look for a new victim. Look out for terms like "I deserve this"
 mr_fair_play
Joined: 5/4/2009
Msg: 82
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Posted: 10/4/2009 3:10:36 PM
girlwPriOriTies

My god I couldn’t stop laughing at how sexist and bigoted girlwPriOriTies post is.


i am a feminist...feminist means that men and women have equal rights. I feel it is the DUTY of the man to pay for dinner, not to mention, open a door or two.


Arrrr hello? Equal rights means equal rights 24/7 365 days a year. NOT ONLY WHEN IT SUITS YOU! It’s laughably contradictive how you claim you want equal rights and then in the next breath you want men to pay for your dinner and to open doors for you.

Is your brain normal?


Oh and guys, just because you tell us we are beautiful and you do pay for dinner, DOES NOT MEAN WE ARE GOING TO SLEEP WITH YOU! perverts. UGH


Oh and ladies, just because you are a woman and you exist, IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT MEN ARE OBLIGATED TO PAY FOR YOU! Sheesh, dumba$$ meal ticket beggars.


I was stating that I am a feminist, meaning that men and women should have equal rights. Statistics show that WE STILL DO NOT EARN AS MUCH AS OUR MALE COUNTERPARTS. If men want to be the protective, breadwinners, step it up. Accept us as your equals.


For a start, women are not paid less than men who do the same job, same hours, with the same amount of experience. Get your facts right instead of listening to feminist hog wash.

The US Department of Labor, in January 2009, released a scientific study that proves no gender wage gap exists.

http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf

But anyway, so you want equal rights in areas that you believe women are disadvantaged but its perfectly acceptable to rip men off in the dating department? What a clever feminist.

I think it’s time for many women such as your self to “step it up” and accept men as your equals instead of using them as meal tickets.

Not to mention, I find it laughable how women come up with the excuse of a man having to pay because of a so called problem happening in the world that has nothing to do with the man who you are dating.

In other words, you are punishing your date for some thing wrong in the world that’s not his fault and has nothing to do with him. Is this what you call romance? Is this what you call a healthy approach for a potential relationship? Can it get any more pathetic than this
 ColonelIngus
Joined: 9/16/2007
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Posted: 10/4/2009 4:03:15 PM

Again. Someone running off at the mouth about a book they did not read. Excerpts of anything can be taken out of context. Read the entire book before you pass judgment.

It is you who are "running off at the mouth".

I haven't taken anything "out of context", so that's pretty much just a cheap shot unless you want to say the OP has paraphrased him all wrong so far as the topic of this thread goes. I read the lengthy sections of the book provided to me by the publisher which they no doubt put online in an attempt to entice people who buy and read books (such as myself) to buy and read theirs. Presumably these are the better parts of the book, not the worse. These, as well as the author's appearances all over the media peddling his "ideas", have all been more than enough for me to form judgements about the author, what he's saying, and the book in general -- namely that I did not want to read any more of it. I feel like I'm already more than familiar with what he's selling. Neither you nor any of the many other fans of the book have said or done anything which might cause me to reconsider.

Your illogical position seems to be that one has to read a whole book in order to decide whether or not one wants to read it. So, in short, I decline your asinine command to me to "read the entire book before you pass judgment".


At no point in this book does he say that he has been appointed by God to be the official representative of every single man in the world.

Not explicitly, but that's being too legalistic and missing the essential point. He does claim to be giving women the low-down on men. All men. I've yet to hear him qualify any of his sweeping generalizations, or of him say "well, this is me and my experiences, but other guys' mileage will obviously vary considerably...". In his world men are simple, and they're all the same, which can be the only basis for a mass market advice book written for a female audience who is interested in men-as-relationship-objects.
 GeneralizingNow
Joined: 10/10/2007
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Posted: 10/4/2009 4:06:39 PM
That's actually an interesting read. (uh, NOT the book, the PDF from Dept of Labor! lol)
Although it did NOT say there "is no gender wage gap"--it admitted there is a 21.5% raw wage gap. PLEASE get your OWN facts right!
What it CONCLUDED is that this RAW wage gap isn't necessarily a bias against women in the workplace, but rather reflects women's choices of jobs.
"Although additional research in this area is clearly needed, this study leads to the unambiguous conclusion that the differences in the compensation of men and women are the result of a multitude of factors and that the raw wage gap should not be used as the basis to justify corrective action. Indeed, there may be nothing to correct. The differences in raw wages may be almost entirely the result of the individual choices being made by both male and female workers."

Of course, a feminist would point out that there is societal bias against what women are good at, and the reason why jobs that women are drawn to--child care, teaching, etc--are so low-paying is because society UNDERVALUES the contributions that women make [compared to those that men make]. I personally would like to point out, though, that society IS changing. I know THREE stay-at-home dads. I know three stay-at-home moms as well. Everyone else--works or is retired.

At the end of the day, though--I do not understand women who say "He'd better pay or I'm not going" or even worse to me "He makes more money so he should pay my way". WTF, ladies?!

What's weird about me is, if a guy and I don't agree on the little things, I'm not going out with him. I suggest you boys take the same strategy to heart. If NO men would date women who insist you pay, all women --even the princesses-- would stop insisting you pay.
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EDIT TO ANSWER BELOW: YOUR definition is not fact. "Wage gap" means "income disparity". Not necessarily to do with one job. Jeezus, just change your damn screen name, would you?!
May I suggest "Nofactsjustwomensuck"? It seems to fit you, somehow.
 mr_fair_play
Joined: 5/4/2009
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Posted: 10/4/2009 4:14:23 PM
ted there is a 21.5% raw wage gap. PLEASE get your OWN facts right!



No you get your facts right. Wage gap means women doing the same job, the same hours with the same amount of experience getting paid less than a man who is equivalent. Wage gap does not mean women doing different jobs, or the same jobs with lesser hours compared to men or women who left the work force due to family and coming back years later with less experience and knowledge expecting the same pay check.

There is no wage gap however there is a difference in the choices women make compared to men. There is no discrimination against women in this.
 FarmExe
Joined: 10/1/2009
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Posted: 10/4/2009 4:35:54 PM
There are two more books:
Maria Bustillos' Act Like a Gentleman, Think Like a Woman: A Woman's Response to Steve Harvey's Act Like a Lady, Think Like a Man
John Gray's Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus: The Classic Guide to Understanding the Opposite Sex
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