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 hyoid
Joined: 5/12/2009
Msg: 49
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last third either a dead or weakened virus that serves to compromise the immune system in the first place.


That's like saying a blank sheet of paper is ruined by writing on it.

The immune system is not compromised by exposure to infectious agents.
It's activated.

At this moment, your intestines, lungs, eyes, skin, mouth are a seething playground for millions of bacteria, virus, fungal spores. Many of them with a fatal potential. But you're handling it just fine. Because your "compromised" immune system learned how to deal with them long ago. From exposure.
 TryAgan
Joined: 4/4/2008
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Posted: 10/6/2009 7:48:50 PM
^^^

our company brings in a nurse and everybody gets one

You mean, everybody at your company gets a nurse?
 sk1960
Joined: 8/11/2008
Msg: 52
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Posted: 10/6/2009 7:54:51 PM
working for the government - you have to know that they get excited about some of the funniest things and find the strangest ways to "teach" us ... this week we all had to go to mandatory pandemic sessions - after 3 hours of listening to the history of this virus and other "famous viruses" .... yep thats right 3 hours - all I can really remember is when you wash your hands (with soap) you should sing happy birthday or say the ABC's ... thats how long you should be washing them .... Now you gotta know we are all adults and I swear I heard a couple people humming in the bathroom later in the day .... Could they maybe have picked a more adult song for us to hum :)
 MondoVman
Joined: 4/26/2009
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Posted: 10/6/2009 8:20:06 PM
"Inagodavida" by Iron Butterfly (the 3 minute, top 40 version, not the original, stoned enlightenment, 16 minute, symphonic cornucopia). Guys, don't forget to switch hands every 30 seconds or so.
 TryAgan
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Posted: 10/6/2009 10:00:19 PM
Peggy - Msg 7

See, here in Canada they are thinking that anyone who is over 50 will probably have been exposed to swine flu the first time around in the 1960s, and will probably have pretty good immunity.

I heard somewhere, that in Canada there is currently a shortage of protective masks, and that the flu experts are recommending to use protective hockey cups lined up with seamless stockings instead. Anyone over 50 should consider the hard cup over the soft variety.
 tinkerbellcgy
Joined: 9/17/2005
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Posted: 10/7/2009 7:01:37 AM

I heard somewhere, that in Canada there is currently a shortage of protective masks, and that the flu experts are recommending to use protective hockey cups lined up with seamless stockings instead. Anyone over 50 should consider the hard cup over the soft variety.

So, there will likely be stampedes with long line ups happening at your local Sport Chek or Forzani's or some other sporting goods stores throughout Canada? Who wudda thunk Canada would be making a new fashion statement!
 damassteel
Joined: 7/22/2009
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Posted: 10/7/2009 1:58:09 PM
I get a flu shot every year and slide through unscathed. The year I didn't get one, 2005, I caught it and let me tell you, it was no joke. I had moments where I almost wished for death...just so the misery would end. Weakened me to the point of contracting viral pneumonia, which was promptly followed by the shingles! Ouch. I don't mess around. I get that shot. The misery of winter 2005 keeps me in line!
I don't see the need to take my chances when there's a virtually sure-fire way to beat it.
 TryAgan
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Posted: 12/30/2009 7:58:08 PM

The mask is ineffective. Wash hands often especially after contact with doorknobs in a public area or really any surface the public may touch (stores, theater, etc). Wash those hands.

Sometimes, even washing hands is not that effective.
Especially when chopping up some really hot peppers for the dinner, and then with the same hand handling some precious objects. It can get really irritating.
 thecatsmeoww
Joined: 3/7/2009
Msg: 63
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Posted: 12/31/2009 7:26:07 AM

Recently, I was reading about the second wave of swine flu and a possible danger of infection especially for seniors / elderly people.

Do you think it would be prudent to wear a mask when you go to a public place such as a shopping mall or a restaurant to meet someone on a first date? Would you go for the N95 type of mask or would a simple surgical mask be acceptable in such a setting?


No a mask will only help prevent you from putting your hands to your face.. Still you can touch your eyes. Know the mode of transmission and keep your hands away from your face and carry sterile wipes. Wash your hands very well and clean and disinfect all surfaces.

Swine flu is not all that contagious..However an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure...

Also make sure if you D3 levels are up and your immune system running in high gear.

thecatsmeoww
 kari135
Joined: 9/1/2009
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Posted: 12/31/2009 7:34:24 AM
If you're really worried about physical contact, there are these really neat Tyvek biohazard suits....

The couple times I got flu shots, because they were free through my job, I got a lot sicker from the shots than I ever did from the flu. I'd much rather take my chances.
 thecatsmeoww
Joined: 3/7/2009
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Posted: 12/31/2009 12:23:35 PM

See I have a whole different outlook on vaccines. I pretty much figure that without vaccines alot of really disgusting horrible diseases would still be killing kids and adults..
Polio


May I suggest you read about the Polio myth..There are valuable historical medical papers written and researched during the polio epidemics in the US had been made available on a valuable website put up by Jim West.

It can conclude that the polio vaccine was not just completely ineffective - but dangerous due to the contaminants it was known by its manufacturers to contain.

If you would like to get a copy it is published in THE ECOLOGIST, at some 13,500+ words in length, available to download for free..

thecatsmeoww
 ladyc4
Joined: 2/14/2006
Msg: 68
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Posted: 12/31/2009 12:36:10 PM

Sometimes, even washing hands is not that effective.
Especially when chopping up some really hot peppers for the dinner, and then with the same hand handling some precious objects. It can get really irritating

LOL. The other thing, I've been told by male friends, is to watch out when using pain relieving creams/liniments containing capsaiscin(the "hot" in "hot peppers"). And no, it doesn't easily wash off one's hands.
Wear food service gloves when handling hot peppers or any topical pain reliever containing capsaiscin.
TryAgan, sorry for your pain.
Cindy O
 kari135
Joined: 9/1/2009
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Posted: 12/31/2009 12:47:00 PM

See I have a whole different outlook on vaccines. I pretty much figure that without vaccines alot of really disgusting horrible diseases would still be killing kids and adults..
Polio
Diptheria
Tetanus
Whooping Cough
Smallpox
Measles - believe it or not, this was a major killer and still is in parts of the country
Meningitis - did you know there is a meningitis "season" in parts of Africa where 1 out 3 children under the age of 3 will die. They have no access to vaccines.

I agree on those, although I had whooping cough, chicken pox, and the 2 week measles before I ever started school. I also have a scar from a small pox vax, and the Salk vax every year for at least 6 years. No idea how many tetanus shots, I seemed to get one every time I stepped on a nail.


So the flu shots.. I never had one.

If I'd known how I'd react, I sure wouldn't have. At least a week of being queasy at best. I've never had any kind of flu that lasted more than 24 hours otherwise.


Last year got one, but got sick in Medicine Hat where they have a huge number of Mexican foreign workers, Mexican immigrants. Came home sicker than a dog for a week. Felt fine after that. I figure it might have been H1N1 but who knows.
Got my seasonal flu shot, and am going to get the H1N1 next week.

That's the thing, when a new/different population brings in something that they are resistant to, but the resident population isn't. That's why long ago measles infected blankets were used as a kind of guerilla warfare, and a lot of Native American villages were wiped out.

I now also have an immunity to Rocky Mountain spotted fever. Wonder how the original inhabitants dealt with it, without hospitals and antibiotics.

It also depends on where you travel, and who you know who has done some recent traveling. I knew a woman who died of sleeping sickness atter being bitten by a tse-tse fly - very strange indeed, since she was an Alaska Native who lived remote, and had just returned from Anchorage. Lots of airlines traveling through Anchorage, and she was the third one in the history of the state. At least she was the third case, I don't know if the other two died or recovered.
 thecatsmeoww
Joined: 3/7/2009
Msg: 70
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Posted: 12/31/2009 3:29:28 PM

Some day some scientist will tell us that putting all those chemicals into our bodies was completely ineffective and gave us all cancer, alzheimers, parkinsons, etc .


Interesting you mention that..

In the last few years SV40 has been linked to more and more cancers, such as Non-Hodkin’s lymphoma, the fifth most common cancer in the US and one that has been rapidly increasing since the polio vaccine was released.
A recent German study found that if one put SV40 into lactating female rats they all got breast cancer, (as did 70 per cent of the non-lactating) but the SV40 did not stay in the tumours it helped create. Could this explain the growth in human breast cancer?

I could go on with with more, but in the end everyone makes their own decisions as to what they are comfortable with or not.

thecatsmeoww
 Dave of Indiana
Joined: 3/18/2009
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Posted: 1/1/2010 1:50:11 AM
Well, I'm going to through a rock in the pond of conversation (sort of). Two months ago I was picking up a prescription at the pharmacy and asked about the N1H1 vaccine. The pharmacist gave me a copy of a notice mailed to all pharmacies by the health department of the state of Indiana. In a nut shell the health department said the main group of concern is from ages 2 through 25. This age group is the most at risk.

Not being a medical professional I can't say true or false.
 satx78218
Joined: 10/30/2007
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Posted: 1/1/2010 10:18:29 AM
Swine flu has been hyped into a huge scare-mongering exercise by BigPharma, aided by their PR flacks, aka NIH and CDC and FDA, to fill BigPharm's overflowing treasuries.

ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS follow the money. (just like with Gardisil)

Over 90% of the flu samples sent to CDC were not swine, but good old seasonal flu that kills 1000s of at-risk groups every year with barely a peep from the corporate media.
 farscapeprincess
Joined: 4/28/2008
Msg: 74
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Posted: 1/1/2010 11:39:25 AM
Just wanted to see what this topic was about.

Listen to the interviews about swine flu. Big Pharma has got their grubby little hands in everyone's pocket, but not mine.

www.mercola.com
 moraima
Joined: 6/26/2005
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Posted: 1/1/2010 11:39:41 AM
"to get you to be fearful.. hence depending on them more, to the detriment of losing your own common sense and individuality."

I am thrilled with the amount of people who "get" the above statement. Gone are the days where people believed that their govts. could do no wrong. Too many scandals, too much corruption uncovered for us to believe without researching what our govts. tell us. We can't control our govts. action or spending, but we can control (so far) what we do with our own bodies.

Precautionary measures ='s using our research tools, and our common sense, and having the courage to not do what we are told by those in "charge".
 thecatsmeoww
Joined: 3/7/2009
Msg: 76
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Posted: 1/1/2010 12:33:23 PM

Gone are the days where people believed that their govts. could do no wrong. Too many scandals, too much corruption uncovered for us to believe without researching what our govts. tell us. We can't control our govts. action or spending, but we can control (so far) what we do with our own bodies.


Thank goodness for that!! When they were thinking about making this mandatory for those working in the health/vet care industry we would have closed down rather than to take it. Other hospitals would be working with a lot less nurses and doctors..

No a single vet or tech in our office took it.

thecatsmeoww
 moraima
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Posted: 1/1/2010 1:04:13 PM
I only know one medical person or friend who took it. She was working at a facility on a reservation at the time where multiple people in the hospital were very sick and a couple of people had died. She still used multiple thing to detox her body on the metals etc. in the vaccine. She told me she figured that in her position she was in trouble if she took the vaccine, and in trouble is she didn't. Also no one at the hospital was forced to take it.
 TryAgan
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Posted: 1/1/2010 9:26:44 PM
ladyc4- msg 73

Sometimes, even washing hands is not that effective.
Especially when chopping up some really hot peppers for the dinner, and then with the same hand handling some precious objects. It can get really irritating

>>>
LOL. The other thing, I've been told by male friends, is to watch out when using pain relieving creams/liniments containing capsaiscin(the "hot" in "hot peppers"). And no, it doesn't easily wash off one's hands.
Wear food service gloves when handling hot peppers or any topical pain reliever containing capsaiscin.
TryAgan, sorry for your pain. Cindy O

Cindy, thank you for the understanding and for the tips about capsaiscin.
It definitely makes more sense to wear the gloves while handling the hot peppers rather than later during the intimate moments. Your partner will appreciate the extra touch.
 thecatsmeoww
Joined: 3/7/2009
Msg: 79
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Posted: 1/2/2010 3:20:41 AM

Cindy, thank you for the understanding and for the tips about capsaiscin.
It definitely makes more sense to wear the gloves while handling the hot peppers rather than later during the intimate moments. Your partner will appreciate the extra touch.


Funny normally I would suggest you wear gloves as well. But for intimate moments as long as you do not touch her eyes, face you might well set other areas aflame?

thecatsmeoww
 ladyc4
Joined: 2/14/2006
Msg: 80
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Posted: 1/2/2010 8:49:39 AM

Funny normally I would suggest you wear gloves as well. But for intimate moments as long as you do not touch her eyes, face you might well set other areas aflame?

Unfortunately, from what I know of using capsaicin pain relieving creams, liniments,etc, on both myself and my competition horses, the very intensity of the heat, the depth of penentration, etc,and the fact it doesn't wash off...make it a BAD choice for setting "other areas aflame."
Cindy O
 karma1160
Joined: 6/10/2008
Msg: 81
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Posted: 1/2/2010 3:11:29 PM
Think droplets !
wash your hands, carry antibac expecially if working with the public, and it wouldn't hurt to wear gloves if you know you are at high risk.
Heres the deal you walk into the library touch the door, walk to your seat touch the screen or keyboard walla.
YOu have just been infected, if you are sick STAY HOME!
 junipermoon
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Posted: 1/2/2010 4:06:30 PM

OP
Just this afternoon, outside of my local supermarket, I saw a man over 65, with a light blue mask on his face. It blended quite nicely with his denim shirt.

No problem with the masks, just coordinate the colors carefully with your outfit. And white goes almost with everything.


but you don't wear white after labor day!!!

one guy i work with wears a mask all day. and latex gloves. things have really gotten out of control at the office.
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