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 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
Msg: 176
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A few days ago, I heard a reporter ask Sen. Landreux of Louisiana what part of the Constitution gave the government authority to force people to buy health insurance, or possibly go to jail. I wish everyone had heard her answer--what a dingbat! She rambled on for about a minute in vague terms that had nothing to do with the question. They played it over again, and you still couldn't make any sense of what she said. Obviously, little details like whether her pals' socialist bill is constitutional don't trouble that dormant organ beneath her hairdo. Shame on Louisiana for sending her to the Senate--at least old Huey Long had his brain in gear.

Mary Landreux is typical of the unimpressive people who've proposed and who support this 2,100 page monstrosity. They don't know the Constitution, don't appreciate it, and don't care. And yet we trust them to protect it. In his inaugural address, President Kennedy challenged Americans to "Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what *you* can do for your country." If fewer people were looking to members of Congress like Pelosi, Landreux, Reid, Frank, Dodd, Feinstein, Baucus, Schumer, and their ilk to get them freebies, we'd have a much stronger and better America. Many of these people are nothing but the grubbiest kind of professional politician, and they are far less interested in the good of the country than in getting re-elected. A number of them are in for a rude awakening next fall.
 matchlight
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Posted: 12/14/2009 5:35:35 PM

A miminal government sounds best to me.


And luckily for people who believe "what governs least, governs best," that's exactly the kind of government the Constitution was designed for. We've gotten very far away from it.
 HeyJenny
Joined: 11/13/2008
Msg: 178
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Posted: 12/14/2009 5:59:46 PM
It appears we have some things in common rococco :)

My concern is not only Health Care Reform , it is this Global Climate Treaty that our president is expected to sign. There are also other issues that I won't get into. It doesn't matter whether you or I believe in Global Warming or not, our biggest concern at this point should be this treaty, although ,hello, pollution should be a huge concern!! World leaders are in Copenhagen right now discussing our fate. If our president signs this treaty then at the very least you can expect to pay much more in utilty bills, gas,etc. Isn't it all too expensive right now when our economy is already hurting? How can you expect a struggling family to pay possibly $1500 more in utility bills alone? They may not seem like much to the upper class but all this paying out for everything is tough.On a much bigger level is the fact that (from what i heard) this treaty is an excuse for a one world government and the treaty itself would take presidence over our constitution.I've included a video that some people may think is extreme but I think it
s better to be aware of the possibilities that not to be .

aware.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnyMf03xFo0

You mentioned Ron Paul, I liked him the most but I figured my vote would be wasted if I voted for him so I voted for what I thought was the lesser of 2 evils and voted for Obama. Had I been able to predict the future I would have voted for Ron Paul, wasted vote or not. I thought McCain made a HUGE mistake in choosing Palin as a running partner.
 HeyJenny
Joined: 11/13/2008
Msg: 179
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Posted: 12/14/2009 9:04:44 PM
Thank God for youtube videos is all I can say !! LOL, i get most of my info from that site. Yes, some of it is speculative and you have to discern for yourself to agree /believe it in or not but there is some good stuff on there !! Good meaning scary, informative, sad but true,etc.

I saw some videos where kids seem to be praising Obama in school and out of school. It reminded me of Hitler's youth and was a little scary. I also saw a group of adults praising him like he was God !! It was shocking to say the least.

The Climate Change Treaty or Cap and Trade Treaty, (not sure what exactly it is called) is happening now and it is not good. There are things that should be done but not this way. There is a floating island of garbage in the ocean about the size of the state of Texas, you can't deny it. Now there are fish eating it, it was bad enough that there could be mercury in your fish but now also plastic! The fact that China and India are contributing on a massive scale to pollution is not a good thing. The U.S. also is guilty. The air quality in China is so poor in some places you have to wear a mask to walk around. Then we're shipping off our electronic waste to third world countries where children are burning toxic waste to get to something they can sell just so they can survive. There is alot to the picture that is disturbing and very real but this treaty is not the answer. The coral reefs are dying, so are the bees, etc., some of our food has so much garbage in it it's alarming but hey, it's only humans to be concerned about. Unless you want to include our beloved pets, my dog died because of recalled dog biscuits from China. China didn't stop with killing our pets, they're guilty of killing babies too. Do u recall the contaminated baby formula? and we reward them instead, unbelievable!!

So as anyone who is reading this can tell I am one frustrated, concerned citizen. We should band together instead of saying lefties this, republicans that. Divide and conquer? Oh yeah! Let's bicker between ourselves instead of focusing on the issues and resolutions. You know I could say that I hated Bush with a passion but does it get me anywhere, no, it doesn't. You men who point fingers is a huge turn-off by the way,lol. Geez, there are so many issues you already have that adding your animosity towards what you think is the other side doesn't help in the dating world.Almost lmao.
 HeyJenny
Joined: 11/13/2008
Msg: 180
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Posted: 12/14/2009 9:44:20 PM
Aww, the hug smileys! How sweet, thank-you,gladly accepted !

Domestic production :) what a good concept ! It worked in Detroit for quite some time. I'm from Detroit and to see it's complete downfall along with some of our other major cities is sad. What Detroit once was when my parents were young and raising our family to now, not good.

So you think I sound like a liberal Democrat huh? I don't know although I do have some strong opinions I am seating on the fence about some others but I do try to be respectful about other people's opinions... but only when they agree with me!! Ha!

Well I think I have my rant quota in for the day! lol Maybe we'll meet up for more later.
Bye
 HeyJenny
Joined: 11/13/2008
Msg: 181
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Posted: 12/14/2009 10:01:36 PM
Thank-you fzrhusker, I will have to check it out :)

Have a good night.
 HeyJenny
Joined: 11/13/2008
Msg: 182
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Posted: 12/15/2009 12:58:05 PM
If you want to protest this Healthcare bill from passing then you need to take action now!
I heard Leiberman is a swingvote and will vote for it, let's notify his office and tell him NOT to !!

I found the following on asamom.com aka asamom.org

Take Action Tuesday ,Take on Congress: Capitol switchboard: 1-877-762-8762

The Senate Healthcare bill HR 3590 is being voted on by Dec. 18th (this week!). On this very day, thousands are marching on Washington to stop this government bulldozing of our healthcare choices.. http://lauraingraham.com/pg/jsp/charts/streamingAudioMaster.jsp?dispid=302&headerDest=L3BnL2pzcC9tZWRpYS9mbGFzaHdlbGNvbWUuanNwP3BpZD03ODcx

If you can’t make it to Washington, call/fax/email your Senator and Senators in key areas whose contact info has been provided in following link: (Thank you to Captain Happy Pants for posting the contact info of key Senators) http://asamom.ning.com/forum/topics/stop-the-health-care-bill-hr

This list of fence sitters from Theconservativemama http://asamom.ning.com/profiles/blogs/universal-health-care-fence

An idea for those who can’t go to DC from DK. http://asamom.ning.com/profiles/blogs/signins-a-peaceful-way-to
 HeyJenny
Joined: 11/13/2008
Msg: 183
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Posted: 12/15/2009 2:10:50 PM
I do say "NO" alot !!

I called the capitol and got through!! I called to protest Healthcare Reform,the next big day for that and the Global Climate Treaty in Copenhagen where the President will be Decmber 18th. I did get in a sentence or two before I got disconnected :) I say flood them with phonecalls! Don't forget to do it today since it's Take Action Tuesday. With a few clicks you can also protest from your computer, can it get any easier?
 HeyJenny
Joined: 11/13/2008
Msg: 184
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Posted: 12/17/2009 2:07:28 PM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126093494955393151.html

The drug-importation bill was proposed by Sen. Byron Dorgan, a North Dakota Democrat who allied with some Republicans. Mr. Dorgan and Sen. John McCain (R., Ariz.) said the measure could save consumers some $80 billion over 10 years if they could buy their drugs from other countries directly via the Internet or mail order.

We couldn't possibly have a good thing like this drug import bill pass. This got killed Tuesday in the senate, unbelieveable! This bill needs another look/revision, it's too good to give up entirely. Why on Earth did any of the Senate vote against this?

The pharmacueticals win while the U.S. citizens lose, what else is new! The costs of medicine in the U.S. is sky high yet the prices on the same drugs elsewhere is substantially lower.
 matchlight
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Posted: 12/19/2009 3:18:14 PM
Sorry your opinion wasn't the most common.


All the polls I've seen show that about 55-60% of voters oppose this bill. And that's a sign it could be repealed after the elections next year. One thing it proves is how poorly informed younger voters in the U.S. are these days. They will bear more of its costs than any other group, because they tend to use less medical care than the average. But they'll pay through the nose for others to use those services.

If this thing survives, it's pretty clear it will ruin the U.S. economy, where debt is already out of control. From what I know about Obama's views and tactics, which he gets mostly from Saul Alinsky and other Communist theorists like Cloward and Piven, that's just what he hopes to do. He's *trying* to destroy the U.S. as it's always been--a free, capitalist society.




stand up and say, YES, I think socialism is GREAT, and if we slide into communism, that would be even better


That's exactly what Mr. Obama thinks, but can't say. Alinsky (whose methods he used to teach to "community organizers") said radicals, to be most effective, should disguise themselves as conventional and moderate. That way, they can tunnel into the system and dismantle it from the inside out, without provoking a backlash that would put an end to their efforts. As long as Obama is careful not to do anything that alarms most people, he can keep changing this country into something completely at odds with our founding documents.
 matchlight
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Posted: 12/19/2009 3:50:27 PM

If this has always been free capitalist society, then why do we have anti-trust laws


You're mincing words. Anti-trust law was one of the progressives' achievements, but it was designed to keep capitalism competitive--not to undo it. And it didn't. Private industry in the U.S. has been reasonably competitive and free, although safety and environmental regulation have made it less free. But it's very clearly a sea change to some other type of economy when the federal government assumes ownership of the automotive industry, the financial industry, and now the health services industry. If you don't think central government control of a substantial part of our national economy is socialism, I wonder what you think socialism is.

I don't know what it means to say most Americans want health care in the abstract, but not this bill. There is only this bill. It's what they're getting, and the majority of them don't like it. There's no reason to believe criticism of this bill blinded them to its virtues. People have made their own decisions about it, and most have turned thumbs down. That's why I think there's a good chance that whatever Congress enacts will be repealed in a year or so.
 matchlight
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Posted: 12/20/2009 3:20:20 PM

We will remember in November.


From what I've heard, the current thinking is that Nelson probably will end his Senate career with that vote. And quite a few other congressional seats will probably change hands. When the administration and Congress take steps that polls show a majority don't like, that discontent has to show up in elections. The special elections that have been held so far show a trend toward conservative candidates, which does not look good for the Democrats next year. And if this process continues, we could see very big changes next fall. Mr. Obama might want to consider that losing control of Congress could spell the end of his presidency two years early.
 HeyJenny
Joined: 11/13/2008
Msg: 188
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Posted: 12/21/2009 12:34:43 AM
It's Sunday night and the Reform Bill unfortunitely just passed in the senate ! Now the house gets to argue their version with the senate about it from what I heard. Then as we all know the preseident will sign it. The final nail in the coffin.

You know what bill DIDN"T get passed this last Tuesday? The DRUG IMPORT Bill. This was the one thing that should have been passed but noooo, something good that could have affected every citizen that pays for medicine in a positive way.This bill would have allowed us to buy our medicine from other countries for much lower prices and have them imported legally to us, so it did NOT pass!! So the pharmacueticals will continue to charge us the highest prices compared to any other country and rip us off.
 BikerBiker53
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Posted: 12/21/2009 6:29:08 AM
After reading a lot of the proposed Health Care Bill,...I am in Shock to read how much "CONTROL" the Government will have, and how little control we, and the Drs will have, in the say so of OUR HEALTH.

Anyone, that would construct such a proposal,..to me,..is not an American, and does NOT understand or cares about the general Health and Welfare of the Citizens of which their supposed to represent,..and ANY PRESIDET, that would approve any kind of Bill like it, is truly working Against helping the American People.
 matchlight
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Posted: 12/21/2009 8:47:46 AM
The latest Rasmussen polls show that 55% of Americans oppose the health care proposal, and 41% approve of it. 46% approve of Mr. Obama's performance, while 53% disapprove of it, with 26% strongly approving and 43% strongly disapproving.

Democrats from at least nine states are trailing Republican challengers for their seats in the U.S. Senate. It's too early to predict a Republican majority in the Senate in 2011. but if that happened, it would really be a big development. The polls also show that Republicans who run on a "Tea Party" platform attract even more support. I wonder if Ms. Palin will be campaigning for any of the Republican congressmen--she seems to be popular all over the country.
 AceOfSpace
Joined: 5/28/2007
Msg: 191
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Posted: 12/21/2009 11:21:29 AM

How simple is that? AND, if you dont't buy insurance, you go to jail, and you will get better health care than outside of jail, so problem solved.


Apparently not in California
 matchlight
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Posted: 12/21/2009 11:48:14 AM

All we have to do is enact the part of the bill that forces EVERYBODY to buy health insurance, or go to jail


I wouldn't worry about that. If that provision's challenged and ever gets to the Supreme Court, we now have a certain wise Latina there I know we can count on to be the swing vote. Unlike some of us, I'm sure she'd be wise enough to see that the government has a right to *make us do whatever it knows is good for us.* I'm sure the Constitution says that somewhere--and who cares where? There's no reason to overthink all this stuff!
 matchlight
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Posted: 12/21/2009 2:05:43 PM

IF they were to try to force everybody to buy health carem they will then see just how untenable that plan really is.


One obvious way to block that, if it's enacted, is for people to refuse en masse to buy insurance. The Justice Dept. just doesn't have enough resources to prosecute that many people. But I think it's probably unconstitutional anyway.

One part of the Constitution that requirement would probably violate is 5th Amendment due process. I'd think even this Court would find any federal law that made it a tax crime for people not to buy something is basically unfair--to use the standard the Court's sometimes applied to violations of due process, that it "shocks the conscience." It could also find that Congress overreached--that nothing in the Constitution gives it authority to require anyone to buy anything.

There's also the 10th Amendment. In a 1992 decision, the Court held that the U.S. could not "commandeer" the machinery of state government by making New York buy up radioactive lab waste, or by making it create an agency to do that. If the federal government violates the 10th Am. by directly forcing a state to buy something, it would seem to violate it all the more by directly forcing individual citizens to buy something.

Supposedly, lawyers have looked over all this stuff for constitutional problems. But considering what sloppy, thrown-together piles of socialist garbage these health care bills are, I doubt they've been very carefully analyzed.
 BikerBiker53
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Posted: 12/22/2009 11:40:12 AM
The latest I've read is that Obama is being sued for "Behind The Door Meetings" on Health Care, with Planned Parenthood.


Obama sued for secret abortion meetings
'In haste to socialize medicine, president violated commitment to transparency'

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=119735

A legal firebrand whose work fighting corruption left both Bill Clinton and****Cheney on the defensive today took on Barack Obama, suing the president for secret meetings with Planned Parenthood and other lobbyists on his plans to nationalize health care.

Larry Klayman, founder of Judicial Watch and, more recently, Freedom Watch USA, filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., under the Federal Advisory Committee Act. The law requires disclosure of records of meetings between the executive branch and outside industry lobbyists. It also requires access to meetings.

Klayman raised the same issues during the early years of the Clinton administration, contributing to the demise of the health care proposal championed by Hillary Clinton.

The lawsuit charges that in Obama's "haste to socialize medicine in the United States, and increase government control generally," he has "violated his commitment to transparency."


OH NO !

SAY IT AINT SO !

Obama "Violated his commitment to transparency."?????

This CANT be True,...Obama Promised us TRANSPARENCY !


"It is widely known that President Obama and his surrogates have been holding behind closed door meetings with health care industry lobbyists, cutting deals to win passage of his health care legislation," Klayman said.


No No No,....Obama PROMISED us CHANGE,....this is just a continuation of the
"Same Old Same Old"
and more of
"Business As Usual"

Wheres the CHANGE ???


Klayman contends the president's conduct falls within the scope of the Federal Advisory Committee Act, which "requires the president to come clean on why he has caved in to the pharmaceutical industry, preventing the importation of prescription drugs that would lower prices for consumers, why he has become the lackey of Planned Parenthood in championing government financed abortions, and why the AMA (American Medical Association) and AARP (American Association of Retired Persons) are now his great friends."

As WND reported, Klayman had returned to Washington, where his efforts to bring light to the Clinton administration made him a high-profile political figure that was parodied on television in the "West Wing" character Harry Klaypool.

Klayman said after his return he was stunned by the level of corruption in the nation's capital, telling CNN's Lou Dobbs, "I've never seen it like this."


Isnt this EXACTLY hat I've been saying all along,
POLITICS is a DIRTY Business !


Klayman's new case targets "the particulars behind the secret deals the White House has been cutting with private health care concerns, such as the AMA, Pharma, Planned Parenthood, AARP, and other lobbyists seeking to feed at the trough of the government."

"Freedom Watch will not rest until the American people know all the facts about this historic and ill advised health care legislation, which most Americans – be they conservative, middle of the road or liberal – think we cannot afford and do not want as it is written," he said.

Klayman said he hand-delivered just days ago a letter to Obama under the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act and FACA seeking copies of all minutes and final decision documents.

His letter was accepted at the White House only after he was badgered and belittled by uniformed police officers, he said.

"Egregiously, upon hand delivering the letter to the Secret Service, agents of the president, the undersigned chairman and general counsel of Freedom Watch was illegally detained … at the front gate of The White House, while he was on the sidewalk (he had never entered The White House grounds), questioned for over an hour in below freezing temperatures, and berated, harassed and threatened by two of the president's Uniformed Secret Service agents for his public advocacy and he was investigated; that is, these two Uniformed Secret Service agents violated the exercise of First Amendment freedom of speech rights," Klayman said..

"Fortunately, after over an hour of interrogation, false imprisonment, and violation of his civil rights, a very professional female line Secret Service agent appeared and in an appropriate and very respectful and kind manner set the undersigned free," he said.

Klayman's letter said, "It has been widely reported and it is independently known that you and your agents and representatives have been communicating and meeting with, in secret and behind 'closed doors,' lobbyists from the private pharmaceutical industry (i.e. Pharma), Planned Parenthood, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the American Association of Retired Persons (AARP), the American Medical Association (AMA) and other private interests, cutting deals to attempt to assure passage of your proposed health care legislation.

Klayman said the conduct "falls squarely within the scope of the Federal Advisory Committee Act," because "these nontransparent communications and meetings with lobbyists and nongovernmental persons and groups constitute a de facto advisory committee under the letter and intent of the law."

Noting that Obama's plans would involve "one seventh of the nation's GDP," Klayman said he was demanding "on behalf of the American people … that you allow us to participate in any such communications and meetings and that you turn over all documentations, such as minutes and notes of and concerning all meetings and other records, immediately.

"Simply put, the public has the right to know what you promised to private special interests before the proposal legislation becomes law," he said.

The White House didn't respond to a request for comment.


Of course not !

Theres More to read if you want to follow the link, but the above is the bulk of the interesting parts concerning Obamas tainted Health Care Reform travisty.

Just how far has Obama gone in order to insure this Bill will pass ?
 BikerBiker53
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Posted: 12/23/2009 7:10:14 PM
Well,..its just unbelieveable,..that so many people are so supportive of Obama and critical towards anyone that trys to make sense of this mess,..

We have these perfectly knowledgeable people that are brilliant minds on here,..and they have fallen for Obama "Hook Line and Stinker",...I cant believe it,.yet I read their
post and am repetedly rebuffed anytime I say I dont support his moves,...and wise person weighs their options in favor of whats best all the way around,..and so far Obama has repetedly failed to nmake any moves that would really help our Country.

Now we have Ann Coulter's views,..that make more sense to me, than most of what these "Brilliant Minds" can produce.


Coulter blows holes in liberals' 'cheap' lies

Coulter said liberals want to talk about anything but their plan to take over one-sixth of the American economy.

"Let's talk about health care!" she exclaimed.

"Instead of being honest and telling us that their plan is to make health care worse and more expensive – but fairer! – liberals have recently begun claiming that providing universal health care will actually save money."

Coulter continues: "I'm pretty sure that extending full medical benefits to 30 million people who don't currently have them – 47 million once the federal health commission rules that illegal aliens are covered – will not be less expensive than the current system."


Gee,...isnt that what I've been saying all along ?

Yet some people dont get it.
 BikerBiker53
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Posted: 12/26/2009 10:35:58 AM
I watched the first link, by shortning the link given,..to this,........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8R8baHPr2E

MSNBC's Dylan Ratigan Yells at Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL)

It seems as if Dylan Ratigan asked Congresswoman Schultz to answer a question concerning the Rise of Health Insurance Companies Stock Value,...in compairison to Government Mandated Health Care,.. only to keep inturrupting, and cutting short any reply she was trying to give, ,...and not allow her to completely answer the question asked,....

It seems as if he only wanted to prove his point by not shareing his "Soapbox" with her.

If Mr Ratigan would of allowed her to finish, he might of got an answer that at least addressed the question asked.

And then again,.. if Mr Ratigan would of just let her finish,..he might of gave her enough rope to allow her to hang herself.

Was there more of this conversation ? I tried the second link and it failed to produce any results .
 cncgandolf
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Posted: 12/27/2009 8:27:58 AM
The following are so fraught with black and white thinking which misrepresents the situation that I will only note the worst offenders.

"1. Elimination of abstinence education. Despite polling showing the vast majority of parents want their children to be taught that abstinence is best,[1] the omnibus defunds the abstinence-based education program. In its place Congress creates another condom-based sex education program."

Abstinence ONLY education vs abstinence is best education are not the same thing. Every parent I know who is pro the use of condoms who is also an abstinence is best teacher. What we do know is that abstinence ONLY education is ineffective and that abstinence best but if you aren't going to do best then do these protections is the better education. Your poll isn't for abstinence only but for abstinence best. Not the same thing.

"3. Needle exchange. Tucked into the health portion of the bill is an allowance of federal taxpayer funds to be used for needle exchange programs whereby drug addicts can get new needles for turning in used needles. Ostensibly to prevent the spread of infection, these programs settle for "harm reduction" rather than overcoming drug addiction. The provision does allow local health agencies and local law enforcement to "opt-out.""

The provision of a needle exchange does not eliminate nor reduce the programs for reducing addictive behaviors. Also, please don't limit those programs to drugs. Food, work, OCD of any kind, weight (high or low), alcohol, prescription drugs ... the list of means of dealing with life through addictive behaviors is endless.

"7. Limiting free speech. The omnibus bill drops a ban on federal funds being used to enforce or implement the "Fairness Doctrine." This policy would have the effect of shutting down conservative talk radio programs."

This comment fails to note the heavy financing of the conservative movement by the wealthy who fund the Republican party. All talk radio programs should be self funded. If this bill were able to shut down conservative talk radio than it would concurrently shut down NPR.

"8. Ending the D.C. Scholarship Program. For five years, thousands of D.C. families have been able to send their children to safe and effective private schools. But the omnibus bill allows no new entrants into the program--despite a 2009 Department of Education report showing a statistically significant increase in reading scores for scholarship students.[2]"

Why should D.C. children get to go to private schools when East L.A. children do not get such a scholarship program? Provide the scholarships to all US children or to none.

"10. Taxpayer-financed domestic partner benefits. The bill lifts a longstanding ban on the use of federal taxpayer funds to pay for health care benefits for domestic partners of D.C. employees. Federal funds would also now be used for domestic partnership registration."

When people refuse to allow domestic partners the title "married" by claiming that they do not need to do that in order for all domestic partners to have the same rights as 'married' people then you have to lift all bans against domestic partners having the same rights as married people. Domestic partner and married are either legally the same rights or those domestic partners who want to marry need the right to marry. You cannot have it both ways.

"11. Legalized medical marijuana. The bill gives D.C. the ability to use local funds to start and implement a medical marijuana program. This comes at a time when, according to a recent article in the Wall Street Journal, Los Angeles is attempting to reel in its program. Medical marijuana dispensaries have become one of the fastest-growing industries in the city, with some 1,000 dispensaries cropping up since 2004.[3]"

Marijuana is a drug ... no different in the abusive use of it than valium or vicodin or any number of prescription drugs. Legalizing it increases the opportunity to control the use. Much the same as prescriptions help control the use of prescription narcotics. Criminalizing it doesn't cut down on the use, it just fills our jails with sick people not bad people. D.C. residents should have the same rights to medical marijuana as CA people do. It is a legal prescription drug here.

For more debunking of conservative false and misleading claims see fact ceck dot org.
 matchlight
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Posted: 2/1/2010 1:31:44 PM

I can see a whole now IRS type of office springing up to enforce the rules and minimums that are declared in the current bill


The tax penalty for failing to buy a government-approved health insurance plan is probably unconstitutional, and yet the whole scheme depends on it. The only thing in the Constitution that could give Congress the power to make people buy health insurance is its authority to regulate interstate commerce.

Congress has used the Commerce Clause to justify regulating all sorts of things people do. But this would be regulating something people *failed* to do--and that's unprecedented. If federal laws could make us buy certain goods and services because they somehow affect interstate commerce, the government would have almost complete control over our everyday lives.

I don't see why a government that could force us to buy a certain kind of health insurance plan couldn't also force us to buy only certain kinds of food, clothing, furniture, building materials, and so on. They all travel in interstate commerce, and even our individual decisions about buying them have some small effects on it. That's one reason I think this bill--which is probably dead now anyway--could never work. I don't think the Supreme Court would ever uphold the forced purchase provision it depends on.
 matchlight
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Posted: 2/2/2010 1:22:19 PM
http://article.nationalreview.com/423614/politicians-in-wonderland/thomas-sowell

Here's another good article on how politicians try to hide the real costs of the programs they push for, as if there were a free lunch.
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Posted: 2/23/2010 11:58:02 AM
^^^^^^PH, I'm not sure if they really even fall for it. I think it also has something to do with the fact half the country pays either no taxes or less than 5% of their income, while the top 1% of income earners pays 40% of all taxes and the top 5% pays 60%.

The result is that half the populace has no incentive to care about what government services cost--it's all on someone else's dime. A tax structure like we now have is a formula for making tens of millions of Americans dependent on the federal government for more and more of their basic needs.

Nine months until the elections. In November, let's turn as many curs as possible out of office, and then rewrite the tax code. If Republicans can get a majority in both Houses of Congress, Mr. Obama will be pretty much powerless to install the domestic policies he wants. With a big enough win, Congress could even override his vetoes.

We might even think about impeaching this poor excuse for a president, and getting rid of him before 2012. If we can't find a suitable high crime or misdemeanor, Congress can always pass a law it knows Mr. Obama can't obey. That's just what Congress did to impeach Andrew Johnson after the Civil War, and he came within a single vote of being convicted and removed.
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