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 Stormwolf
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I do just have one additional question, OP. Which facility do you work at? I'm just asking so I can avoid ever using that medical facility.


Nowhere near you in Wisconsin. That's where they send the worst
of the Medical classes. The worst Medical Residents of all, end up in Alaska or Wisconsin! Now please go get your flu shot, and avoid the Moose on those
snowy highways!
 Ezzee
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Nowhere near you in Wisconsin. That's where they send the worst
of the Medical classes. The worst Medical Residents of all, end up in Alaska or Wisconsin! Now please go get your flu shot, and avoid the Moose on those
snowy highways!


No need to considering that I'm blind and I can live at home off of SSI.
 Lint Spotter
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Re: The Dear Friend letter... addendum:
DISCLAIMER: The information in this newsletter is being provided as education, not as any attempt to cure, prevent or treat any health problem. Before acting on any information in this newsletter, please get a second and perhaps third opinion from a healthcare provider whom you trust.

http://www.helpingtoheal.us/newsletters/newsletter1008.swf

Amazing that the source you cite from has the disclaimer suggesting that a third opinion would be in order as opposed to listening to his own words.

Something wrong where you cannot find a reputable source to cite?
 Stormwolf
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Posted: 10/10/2009 2:45:55 PM
Amazing that the source you cite from has the disclaimer suggesting that a third opinion would be in order as opposed to listening to his own words.

The FDA requires that on everything they don't regulate.

quote]Something wrong where you cannot find a reputable source to cite?
Dr David Willams is a respected MD in the Alernative and Mainstream medical
world. However, below is something I'd like to see you challenge!


Mercury on the Mind
by Donald W. Miller, Jr., MD

Donald Miller (send him mail) is a cardiac surgeon and Professor of Surgery at the University of Washington in Seattle and a member of Doctors for Disaster Preparedness and writes articles on a variety of subjects for LewRockwell.com, including bioterrorism. His web site is www.donaldmiller.com.

Although they afflict widely different age groups, autism and Alzheimer’s disease share a common cause: mercury. Dr. Boyd Haley, professor and chair of the chemistry department at the University of Kentucky, and Dr. Bernard Rimland, founder of the Autism Research Institute, presented evidence at this year’s Doctors for Disaster Preparedness meeting that connects mercury with these diseases.

This heavy metal is highly poisonous. A Dartmouth professor studying the chemical characteristics of an organic form of mercury – dimethyl mercury – spilled two drops of it on her gloved hand. The first sign of mercury poisoning occurred four months later when her speech began to be slurred. This was followed by difficulty walking and loss of vision. She then fell into a coma and died. Another person, attempting to smelt the silver in dental amalgams he obtained (they are 35 percent silver, 50 percent mercury, and 15 percent tin, zinc, and other metals), heated them in a frying pan. The mercury vapor thus generated killed him quickly. The two other family members in the house at the time also died.

Mercury is one proton (neutron and electron) heavier than gold – the atomic number of gold is 79; mercury, 80. It is distributed throughout the earth’s crust. Unlike other metals, mercury, in its elemental state, is liquid (molten) at room temperature. And it releases a steady stream of gaseous mercury atoms that linger in the atmosphere for months (eventually falling back to earth and its oceans in an inorganic form in rain drops). Even when in a solid state, combined with other metals as an alloy, mercury atoms continually escape into the atmosphere. Once added to latex paint, put in teething powder, used in making hats, as a fungicide on seeds, as an antiseptic (Merthiolate), and as a treatment for syphilis (the cure was worse than the disease), human exposure to mercury today comes principally from three sources: dental amalgams, vaccines, and fish.

Elemental mercury when released by a dental amalgam is inhaled and (80 percent of it) absorbed by the lungs and retained in the body. Vaccine makers add thimerosal (which is half ethyl mercury) to vaccines to prevent bacterial contamination. This injected organic form of mercury is readily taken up by brain and heart muscle cells. Fish harbor another organic form of mercury – methyl mercury, which is obtained from plankton that synthesize it from inorganic mercury extracted from the sea.



Currently the two most important sources of mercury exposure for Americans are dental amalgams and vaccinations. The Federal government’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Food and Drug Administration (FDA), for reasons not explained, have chosen to ignore this fact. These agencies and the National Institutes of Health (NIH) focus exclusively on mercury in seafood, to the extent that the NIH will not fund studies that address mercury in amalgams and vaccines.

In lockstep with the government, the American Dental Association (ADA) claims that amalgams are safe, and the mercury in them poses no problem. The (government-funded) Institute of Medicine (IOM) and various specialty societies, notably the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP), and the American Medical Association (AMA), say the same thing about mercury in vaccines. There is growing evidence, however, that mercury in vaccines and amalgams cause both autism and Alzheimer’s disease. The CDC and the FDA and the medical establishment, led by its specialty societies, discount or ignore this evidence – evidence that includes privately funded epidemiological studies; research on how mercury damages brain cells grown in culture; animal studies in rodents, sheep, and primates; and clinical studies in children and adults.

Autism was discovered in 1943, in American children, twelve years after ethyl mercury (thimerosal) was added to the pertussis vaccine. (The disease was not seen in Europe until the 1950s, after thimerosal was added to vaccines used there.) In a typical case, shortly before his 2nd birthday a normally developing, healthy boy stops communicating with others and withdraws into himself. He avoids eye contact and becomes strange and aloof. His vision becomes blurred; and he develops various motor disturbances, such as involuntary jerking of the arms and legs and walking on his toes. In addition to these manifestations, Dr. Sallie Bernard and her colleagues, in a study titled, "Autism: A Unique Type of Mercury Poisoning," describe the speech difficulties, unusual behavior (such as unprovoked crying spells and head banging), various degrees of cognitive impairment, gastrointestinal difficulties, and immune difficulties that these autistic children can have. Mercury is most likely a causative factor in other developmental disorders as well, such as delayed speech and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.

Investigators have shown that there is a direct relationship between increasing doses of mercury in vaccines and autism. In the 1950s, with an immunization schedule limited to four vaccines (against diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, and smallpox), 1 in 10,000 children developed this disease. As vaccines for other diseases were added, health care providers began injecting increasingly larger doses of mercury into children. Those born in 1981 were given 135 micrograms of mercury (on average), and one case of autism occurred in every 2,600 children born that year. With the addition of hepatitis B vaccine (injected on the day of birth) and one for Haemophilus influenzae Type b, providers injected 246 micrograms of mercury into children born in 1996. Autism occurred in one out of every 350 of these children. Today, providers follow an immunization schedule, prepared by the CDC and approved by the AAP and AAFP, that includes 13 vaccines given, with variable numbers of booster shots, 33 times before a child reaches the age of 2 (when the development of the brain is completed). Autism now afflicts 1 in 100 boys and 1 in 400 girls, and physicians diagnose 100,000 new cases of this disease every year in the U.S (using diagnostic criteria, in the DSM-IV, that is more restrictive than the previous DSM-IIIR). Over the last 30 years more than one million children have come down with this disease, and currently one in every 68 families in America has an autistic child.

Mainstream medical journals, like Pediatrics and The New England Journal of Medicine, only publish studies that claim thimerosal is safe. And it turns out that these articles are written in large part by researchers in the pay of vaccine makers, as the Coalition for Safe Minds (Sensible Action For Ending Mercury-Induced Neurological Disorders), a private nonprofit organization, has shown. Editors of these journals will not publish studies that show a link between thimerosal and autism like "Thimerosal in Childhood Vaccines, Neurodevelopment Disorders, and Heart Disease in the United States" by Mark and David Geier, which documents a strong association between the amounts of mercury injected in vaccines and autism. Such articles can only find acceptance in alternative (i.e., "politically incorrect") journals like the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, where this one was published.

The amount of damage a given dose of mercury can do to the brain (and also the heart) depends on one’s age, sex, and genetically determined ability to excrete mercury. Young children with still developing brains are more susceptible, and males are more vulnerable to a given dose of mercury because testosterone enhances its neurotoxicity. Most important, however, is one’s genetically programmed ability to rid the body of mercury. The brain has a house-cleaning protein that removes dangerous waste products, which comes in three varieties: APO-E2, APO-E3, and APO-E4. The APO-E2 protein can carry 2 atoms of mercury out of the brain; APO-3, one; and AOP-E4, none. The genes we acquire from each parent determine which two we have. People with two APO-E4 proteins (and thus no APO-E2 or -E3) have an 80 percent chance of acquiring Alzheimer’s disease. And according to one study, autistic children have a huge preponderance of APO-E4 protein in their brains.

Alzheimer’s disease was discovered in 1906, again in America, where dentists used mercury-laden amalgams to fill cavities (dentists in Europe largely avoided them). Today, more than 4 million Americans now have Alzheimer’s disease. It afflicts half of people over the age of 85 and 20 percent aged 75 to 84.

The first symptoms of this disease are difficulty concentrating and variable degrees of memory loss, leading ultimately to devastating mental deterioration. The brains of people with Alzheimer’s disease shrink by 25 percent and have distinct pathologic hallmarks (neurofibillary tangles, amyloid plaques, and phosphorylation of tau protein). Brain cells grown in the laboratory develop the same three pathologic findings when exposed to nanomolar (3.6 × 10-10 molar) doses of mercury, an amount approximating that found in the brains of people who have a lot of amalgam fillings.

Dental amalgams are the main source of mercury in an adult’s brain. An average-sized amalgam filling contains 750,000 micrograms of mercury and releases around 10 micrograms a day. Researchers put radiolabelled mercury amalgams in the teeth of sheep and determined where escaped mercury went with a scanner. They showed that mercury atoms exhaled through the nose travel up filaments of the olfactory nerve to the hippocampus, which controls memory, and to other critical areas in the brain. In another study, rats given the same concentration of mercury that people inhale from their amalgams develop the pathologic markers of Alzheimer’s disease. People with Alzheimer’s disease have mercury levels in their brains that are 2 to 3 times higher than that seen in normal people.

The mercury in flu vaccines also plays a role in this disease. One investigator has found that people who received the flu vaccine each year for 3 to 5 years had a ten-fold greater chance of developing Alzheimer’s disease than people who had zero, 1, or 2 shots.

Another important factor with regard to mercury on the mind, which officials at the CDC, FDA and the professors in the IOM do not consider, is synergistic toxicity – mercury’s enhanced effect when other poisons are present. A small dose of mercury that kills 1 in 100 rats and a dose of aluminum that will kill 1 in 100 rats, when combined have a striking effect: all the rats die. Doses of mercury that have a 1 percent mortality will have a 100 percent mortality rate if some aluminum is there. Vaccines contain aluminum.

Why do officials at the CDC, FDA, and leaders of the medical and dental establishment discount or ignore all these important facts? Some of them being in the pay of vaccine makers is one reason. The specter of litigation for having sanctioned thimerosal and amalgams and, in the case of the FDA, not doing appropriate safety studies on them is another. But it is more complicated than that. The hypothesis that mercury causes autism and Alzheimer’s disease is a new truth. And as Schopenhauer points out (see my article on him), each new truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. And third, it is accepted as self-evident. The mercury truth is now in the second stage.

In the 1790s Edward Jenner observed that milk maids did not have pock marks on their faces, like people did who had contracted and survived smallpox. Milking cows with cowpox rendered them immune to smallpox. He took fluid from the pustules of infected cows, injected it into children, and found that it protected them, when exposed, from contracting smallpox. The medical establishment of the day dismissed the idea of vaccinating people with cow pus as nonsense; and Sir Joseph Banks, president of the British Royal Society (the IOM of the day), told Jenner that he would ruin his reputation if he tried to publish these findings, which were so much at variance with established knowledge. When other doctors and informed individuals like Thomas Jefferson recognized that "vaccination" did indeed work, its value was, in time, accepted as self-evident. Jenner’s vaccine saved millions of lives and eradicated a disfiguring disease that has a 30 percent mortality rate. (But laboratories in the U.S. and U.S.S.R. preserved the virus that causes smallpox, and we now know that Soviet microbiologists grew vast quantities of it in chicken eggs for use as a biological weapon of mass destruction.)

Today the medical establishment, led by the AAP, AAFP, AMA, CDC, and IOM, has gone to the other extreme. The accepted wisdom now is that vaccines are a panacea. Health care providers start injecting them in infants on the day of birth, and government officials seek to have them made mandatory for all Americans. But some little-discussed facts belie their value. Deaths from diphtheria, for example, declined 90 percent from 1900 to 1930, due to better sanitation and nutrition, before there was a vaccine for this disease. Likewise, the death rate for measles declined 95 percent (13.3 to 0.03 deaths per 100,000 population) between 1915 and 1958, before the vaccine for measles vaccine was introduced in 1963. Viewed from a risk/benefit perspective, providers and government officials downplay the deleterious effects that vaccines can have on one’s health and inflate their benefits. The top medical textbook on the subject is Vaccines, edited by Drs. Plotkin and Orenstein. In the 1999 3rd Edition that I reviewed (a slightly longer 4th Edition was published last year), its authors confine their discussion of mercury in vaccines to two short paragraphs in this 1,230-page book. They do not address concerns that have been raised about its neurotoxicity.

Vaccine manufacturers have started removing thimerosal from vaccines. And for the first time since the state began keeping records on this disease, California has had a decrease, of 6 percent, in the annual number of children over the age of 3 who have been diagnosed with autism. This occurred in children born in 2000, when the phase-out of thimerosal in vaccines began. Iowa has passed a law banning thimerosal in that state, and California has done the same thing for pregnant women and children under 3 (the bill awaits the governor’s signature). But pharmaceutical companies still add thimerosal in their Flu vaccines; and pediatricians are vaccinating children with their remaining supply of thimerosal-containing vaccines, which the FDA has chosen not to recall.

Taking mercury out of vaccines would substantially reduce the incidence of autism, but this alone will not eliminate the disease. Giving too many vaccines over too short a time to infants whose nervous system is not yet fully developed can also trigger autism and its spectrum of disorders. As Dr. Blaylock has shown (see Recommended Reading below), multiple vaccines given close together over-stimulate the brain’s immune system and, via the mechanism of "bystander injury," destroy brain cells.

Avoiding flu shots that contain thimerosal, and having dentists stop implanting mercury amalgams in people’s mouths would lower the incidence of Alzheimer’s disease. If you have amalgam fillings, particularly if there is a family history of Alzheimer’s disease, you might consider having them removed. Be sure to have a dentist do it who follows the protocol established by The International Academy of Oral Medicine & Toxicology for safely removing them.

For the third source of mercury, follow the CDC’s advice and don’t eat mercury-contaminated fish, especially if you are pregnant because mercury in your bloodstream crosses the placenta and is concentrated in the fetus’ brain.
 Verzen
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Posted: 10/11/2009 8:49:03 AM
junkies arent the same as getting vaccinated. Vaccines are the main reason no one contracts Small Pox anymore. So Mona, do you still believe people get Small Pox? If not, than you admit that vaccines work and you are simply refusing to get vaccines simply because you dont understand how they work. Yes, sometimes they can make you sick, but that's the same with any side effect of any drug or prescription. My friend takes drugs to help with his Chrones (sp?) disease. Without the drugs, he would be dead.

Drugs are not bad. They are only bad when they are misused.
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Posted: 10/11/2009 9:11:01 AM
Personally, I admit to some concern about the stuff that's added to vaccines, for whatever reason. But, the bottom line for me is this. I have two at risk children, one has cronic lung disease and the other has severe asthma, flu could kill either one of them. So, I would opt for the slight risk from the flu vaccine for them, however, there is none available where we live. The first shipment was gone within hours,, another won't arrive until some time in Nov. Gosh OP, I wish we could have yours.

tb
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Posted: 10/11/2009 9:16:21 AM
One of the big differences between the small pox vaccine or any of the others required for things like school enrollment or overseas travel is that they spent years in development and research before being made available to the public at large(not a few months). The new H1N1 vaccine was rushed to market in a few short months. One way to look at it is that they are using the general public to cut the cost of research and development by making the general public its human test subjects.

Kind of scary to consider they are then forcing the medical community to submit to this rushed to market vaccine w/out really knowing what potential side effects there may be down the line for it.
 TimeToSlowDown
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Posted: 10/11/2009 1:07:55 PM
Good God!!!!!!!! There is 5 mins of my life I will never get back from reading that..
 Stormwolf
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Posted: 10/11/2009 1:43:25 PM

Good God!!!!!!!! There is 5 mins of my life I will never get back from reading that..


LOL..I know it was long, however the info may save much more tham five minutes of your health!
 Lint Spotter
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Posted: 10/11/2009 3:01:01 PM

Dr David Willams is a respected MD in the Alernative and Mainstream medical
world. However, below is something I'd like to see you challenge!
You've cited no source, just a bunch of blather that I've tired of searching for an actual source for...

The more I read of this thread the more I'm reminded of cults and such with their brainwashing tactics... I guess it has to work on someone.
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Posted: 10/11/2009 3:25:39 PM
As long as people continue acting like children in an irresponsible/negligent manner, someone has to tell them what to do to protect the rights of others.


If they get the disease or illness then that's when they take action. QUARANTINE their butts!

In my area do you realize that if you miss 3 days of SCHOOL then the local governments start in on the offenders arses???? So many people go to school SICK! WHY, because the government said you had to go or get into trouble! YES! It does happen! Where is the LOCAL government to say. "Stay your butt at home and don't infect other people."

The GOVERNMENTS are the IRRESPONSIBLE and NEGLECTFUL perpetrators in so many of these cases. We have had kids die from this in Texas. WHY? because of BORDER CROSSINGS!! People up north had people die from this because of BORDER CROSSINGS. WHY didn't the government CLOSE the BORDERS!!! WHY? Because they would looooose money!!!! It shows that money is worth more than life.

I dramatically increased the effects above but the truth is the truth!

Really... PROTECT the RIGHTS OF OTHERS????
What you said is the ARGUMENT OF EMINENT DOMAIN government thinking!


If it increases the TAX base it is in the general public good to seize a land owners land in order to resell it at a higher profit. Even it it is to a private party.

What happens when the government use that SAME thinking for other situations?
OMG!!! Your kids are XX lbs overweight! The government must now step in and remove the children from the home! You are bad parents! This is the RIGHT of the child to live a fat free life!!! They are doing this NOW in some states!

OMG!!! The overall health of the CITY is declining! You can't smoke a cigarette!

OMG!!! That person weighs in at 250LBS!!! She / He is using WAY to much carbon footprint for her lifespan. Government Mandated Court Ordered Diet! It could happen!

OMG!!! That 69 year old who uses up 2 million dollars for cancer treatment is a BURDON on the federal government! It's already been debated!
 Lint Spotter
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In my area do you realize that if you miss 3 days of SCHOOL then the local governments start in on the offenders arses????
A note from your doctor will avert the government following up on truancy.

But that does make me wonder at how lax the parents of your area must be that the government has had to mandate a three day absence rule then they start to investigate truancy. Must be rampant...
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Posted: 10/11/2009 5:30:49 PM
This vaccine is being offered at the employment of one of my children right now.

Their company is asking them to sign a disclaimer stating that they will not hold them responsible in the event that the vaccinated becomes ill or dies from said vaccine.

They are also required to sign a disclaimer for the manufacturer of the drug stating the same.

My adult child decided that was enough to let them know that something is dangerous about the vaccine.

Good luck to all you out there who decide to sign those waivers and take those flu shots.
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In my area do you realize that if you miss 3 days of SCHOOL then the local governments start in on the offenders arses????
A note from your doctor will avert the government following up on truancy.

But that does make me wonder at how lax the parents of your area must be that the government has had to mandate a three day absence rule then they start to investigate truancy. Must be rampant...


Nope.... I've had kids around the neighborhood who have to show up in court that have ample Doctors notes. The local gov EVEN sends out letters to kids who had to attend funerals for fathers, mothers... Can you imagine.. I've heard it... So why are you here? My mother died and we had the funeral. She was on her death bed for a week etc.... The judge looks at them and says case dismissed... But you know that? They actually have to miss part of a day at school to go to the court hearing!

Yes there are plenty of LAX parents.

Still, the school system gives you 3 days for the flu. If you have the flu, (any flu). You were supposed to be in school on the 4th day. Then show up to the nurses office to have them take your temp and send you home.

Out of control government. They mandate that American citizens be immunized but the illegal aliens here can show up and go to school without shot records. Amazing? I think so.............
 Crane38
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Posted: 10/12/2009 8:50:13 AM
OP, I would have to agree with you, I never get the flu shot and I have only had the flu a few times. It would be interesting to get a legal opinion on this subject, what does your labour board or union have to say about this?
 Stormwolf
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Posted: 10/12/2009 12:30:24 PM
quote]No, don't get a flu shot.
Then you can pass it along to your patients, but your rights will be respected.
Then they can suffer along with it and go to work with it and pass it along as well.
Those with lessened capacity to deal with it will develop other opportunistic diseases.

You obviously haven't read many of the posts here!
Your comment shows your complete ignorance!
 WalksOnWater2
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Posted: 10/12/2009 2:21:28 PM
I don't get the flu, I hardly ever get a cold for that matter.
But I did take the flu shot once, 4 years ago. I was sick as a dog all winter long, and well into the summer...
NEVER AGAIN!

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Posted: 10/12/2009 2:31:05 PM

Your comment shows your complete ignorance!
Amusing comment coming from you considering you have not once in this thread actually provided source material to substantiate your claims. Rather, you've posted hearsay and conjecture without proof...

Ignorance is so subjective...
 Lint Spotter
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Posted: 10/12/2009 2:54:10 PM

The fact that proof is not posted doesn't make it hearsay.
The proof he's tried to post has been hearsay, unsubstantiated documents that recommend a second and third opinion, articles without the source URL provided and unsearchable where he's claiming they are the words of an accredited doctor... those items are hearsay.
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Posted: 10/12/2009 4:03:19 PM
Message 152, you got sick from a flu shot, sick that lasted almost a year? How would that happen, are you allergic to eggs, did you see a doctor and were you diagnose with something that was related to the flu shot? Did you sue? I mean several months, like three seasons, of being sick as a dog from a flu shot, I'd want some medical evidence, can you provide any? You do know that the flu vaccine is not a live vaccine, don't you. I mean if you have some sort of proof that a flu shot almost did you in, then you could help the OP on his campaign to stop all this silliness, like preventing a contagious disease from spreading! Please, post more info and something from a medical point to show cause & effect.

My mother once had a terrible reaction to a flu shot, back in the 60s when the live virus was used, and her whole mouth swelled up and she had sores all over the inside of her mouth and lips. She gets the flu shot now, that's it's not a live vaccine, and no reaction at all. My brother is allergic to eggs, so that excludes him from getting the shot. But sick for 9 months, that's the worst case I've ever heard of, how are you now.
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Posted: 10/12/2009 5:11:48 PM

The proof he's tried to post has been hearsay, unsubstantiated documents that recommend a second and third opinion, articles without the source URL provided and unsearchable where he's claiming they are the words of an accredited doctor...

Here's once again, SEARCHABLE DOCUMENTED PROOF!
Put this in your browser! Some people live and learn, perhaps you just live?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller14.html
 WalksOnWater2
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Posted: 10/12/2009 8:25:51 PM
daynadaze
No, I'm not allergic to anything. I have no other ailments either. I know what a flu vaccine is, that was a mix of 23 different strains the nurse said.
My cause and effect is that I got vaccinated while absolutely healthy and within the week I had chills, sniffles and mild fever that lasted for an extraordinarily long time which was unprecedented for me. I got colds and cough that I very rarely -if ever- get, and felt like crap. That was 4 years ago, and the first and only time I got a flu shot.
And the last one too.

Just stating my case, if you guys believe it does you good, go ahead, knock yourself out.
I work in the pharma-industry, and there's gonna be plenty of the stuff to go around.
 daynadaze
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Posted: 10/12/2009 10:03:57 PM
No, I was seriously interested, thanks for the info. No matter how safe something is, there are going to be people who suffer something unexpected.
 mungojoe
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Posted: 10/12/2009 11:54:02 PM
Here's once again, SEARCHABLE DOCUMENTED PROOF!
Put this in your browser! Some people live and learn, perhaps you just live?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller14.html

Dude, THAT is NOT proof...

There is not ONE valid citation in the article. He throws out all kinds of numbers and data but doesn't cite the studies he derives it from.

ANY graduate trained healthcare professional would know better than to accept ANY of that as proof of anything other than an opinion (at least the real professionals, I suppose some quack like a "doctor" of homeopathy might not).

If you tried to submit a piece of crap like that as part of a masters or doctoral dissertation, you would be laughed out of the room. It's nothing more than a load of unsupported conspiracy crap.

And really... Lew Rockwell?... as "proof" on a matter of science?... How about you show us some REAL proof, like something from the Lancet or the New England Journal of Medicine.
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Posted: 10/13/2009 2:07:51 AM

If you tried to submit a piece of crap like that as part of a masters or doctoral dissertation, you would be laughed out of the room. It's nothing more than a load of unsupported conspiracy crap.

Can't you read????

The hypothesis that mercury causes autism and Alzheimer’s disease is a new truth. And as Schopenhauer points out (see my article on him), each new truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. And third, it is accepted as self-evident. The mercury truth is now in the second stage.


Speaks for it self!

Mainstream medical journals, like Pediatrics and The New England Journal of Medicine, only publish studies that claim thimerosal is safe. And it turns out that these articles are written in large part by researchers in the pay of vaccine makers, as the Coalition for Safe Minds (Sensible Action For Ending Mercury-Induced Neurological Disorders), a private nonprofit organization, has shown.
Editors of these journals will not publish studies that show a link between thimerosal and autism like "Thimerosal in Childhood Vaccines, Neurodevelopment Disorders, and Heart Disease in the United States" by Mark and David Geier, which documents a strong association between the amounts of mercury injected in vaccines and autism.
Such articles can only find acceptance in alternative (i.e., "politically incorrect") journals like the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, where this one was published.
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