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 Super Ryan
Joined: 9/15/2007
Msg: 129
chemtrailsPage 6 of 10    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10)
If there really is a conspiracy, and they are spraying some mystery chemical into the air, why are they not doing the spraying at night?
I mean if they are doing this covertly, wouldn't spraying at night be the better idea?
If they were spraying at night, nobody would even be aware of the "contrails" since they would be barely visable in the night sky.
 Twilightslove
Joined: 12/9/2008
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Posted: 2/17/2010 7:23:20 PM
Perhaps cloud seeding explains these chemtrails. Here is a site that seems to be watching such things.

http://www.chemtrails911.com/cloud%20seeding.htm
 Super Ryan
Joined: 9/15/2007
Msg: 131
chemtrails
Posted: 2/22/2010 5:18:01 AM
For all those who posted videos showing "chemtrails", you must watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8

It might help with your search for evidence of government intrusions.
 Twilightslove
Joined: 12/9/2008
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Posted: 2/22/2010 8:50:06 AM
There is nothing really to joke about at least as far as weather modification and cloud seeding go. It is real. I remember reading about it happening in the 70's in our local newspaper. The article below talks about it. It was taking place close to where I live and of course 'good ole' George' then state governor is mentioned in the article.

Cloud Seeding

For a while, there was growing hope that weather modification in the form of cloud seeding could provide more water for the Edwards Aquifer and also potentially reduce agricultural demand. In 2003, scientists at the National Academy of Sciences concluded there is no scientific evidence that it works (11). The American Meteorological Society's official position is that there has been some statistical evidence showing a 10 percent increase in precipitation after cloud-seeding, but no conclusive cause and effect.

Several programs in Texas resulted in what was concluded to be increased rainfall. The oldest program was started in 1971 by the Colorado River Municipal Water District. Their target area has been about 3,600 square miles in the upper Colorado River basin upstream from Spence Reservoir. The long-term results report a 34% increase above normal historic precipitation in the seeded areas (Jones, 1988, 1997). In 1986 the Southwest Cooperative Program (SWCP) was started as a cooperative effort between Oklahoma and Texas to randomly seed clouds over 5,000 square miles between Midland-Odessa and Lubbock. From 1986 to 1994, 93 seedings were performed and rainfall was compared with 90 non-seeded storm cells. The results indicated increased rainfall. Compared to the non-seeded cells, the seeded clouds increased in height by 7%, rainfall coverage increased by 43%, duration of storms increased 36%, and volume of rain increased 130% (Rosenfeld and Woodley, 1993).

Cloud seeding got its start in 1946 when Dr. Vincent J. Schaefer, working at the General Electric Laboratory in New York, was involved with research to create artificial clouds in a chilled chamber. During one experiment, Schaefer thought the chamber was too warm and placed dry ice inside to cool it. Water vapor in the chamber formed a cloud around the dry ice. The ice crystals in the dry ice had provided a nucleus around which droplets of water could form inside the chamber. Natural rainfall works much the same way. Ice crystals are formed when cold water contacts particles of dust, salt, or sand. The ice crystals provide a nucleus around which water droplets can attach, increasing the size of the droplet. When the droplet becomes large enough, it falls as rain. This is the "cold rain" process, also called the "static method". Cloud seeding is thought to increase the number of these nuclei available to take greater advantage of the moisture in the cloud and form raindrops that otherwise would not have formed. Another process, the "warm rain" process, usually involves clouds in tropical regions that never reach the freezing point. In these clouds, raindrops form around a "hygroscopic nuclei", a particle that attracts water such as salt or dust. Small droplets collide and coalesce until they form a drop large enough to fall. To encourage the "warm rain" process, calcium chloride is usually used to provide the nucleus for raindrop formation. For the "cold rain" process, silver iodide can be used as a nuclei because its structure is very similar to ice crystals.

George Bomar, meteorologist for the Texas Natural Resources Conservation Commission, and State Senator Jeff Wentworth visited a number of South Texas government agencies in 1996 and encouraged them to consider cloud seeding programs as a component of long term water management strategies (1). Bomar indicated state studies suggest cloud-seeding can increase the amount of rain by as much as 2.5 times.

After the 1996 visits by Bomar and Wentworth (2), several agencies moved quickly to form the South Texas Weather Modification Association and initiate cloud seeding in May 1997 (3). The Evergreen Underground Water District and the counties of Wilson, Karnes, Frio, Atascosa, McMullen, Live Oak, and Bee agreed to share the cost of a three-year program. While there are disputes about whether or not cloud-seeding actually works, one thing for certain is it's not cheap. In San Angelo it cost $411,000 to seed above 7.2 million acres. The effort spearheaded by the Evergeeen District cost $282,000 per year. The first mission was flown along the Wilson-Atascosa county line on May 16, 1997, the same day the TNRCC granted the license to operate. Within hours, a large area received 1-4 inches of rainfall, but the National Weather Service said it would be very difficult to determine if the cloud-seeding caused it because a lot of heavy activity was expected anyway.

In 1998 the Edwards Aquifer Authority set aside $500,000 for cloud-seeding and in July asked Governor George W. Bush to suspend the regulations requiring a state permit to conduct cloud seeding so they could begin a program immediately (4). The permit was tied up by protests of people living along creeks who feared that flooding would result; but it was eventually issued in October 1998 (5). The Authority gave assurances that no cloud-seeding would be conducted if severe storm warnings were issued, if storm clouds moved slowly and posed a flooding threat, or if storms continued to track over the same area. In January 1999 the Authority’s board approved a four year contract to conduct cloud seeding (6). The first scheduled effort on April 15, 1999 was canceled because there were no clouds (7), but their efforts are ongoing and it is hoped they will result in extra water for the Edwards.

In June 2001, after several years of cloud-seeding efforts (8, 9), the Edwards Aquifer Authority board approved a study to determine if the amount of rain produced can be quantified (10). EAA General Manager Greg Ellis said "Here, we have a very unique situation with our rain gauges, our stream flow measures and our aquifer measures to actually determine as that rain is falling how much of that is benefitting the region, how much is actually getting to the ground and into the aquifer." In 2004, in light of the findings of the National Academy of Science (11), the EAA considered eliminating funding for cloud-seeding, but eventually included $153,520 in their 2005 budget for cloud-seeding flights and an independent evaluation of previous efforts (12).

http://www.edwardsaquifer.net/cloudseeding.html
 stargazer1000
Joined: 1/16/2008
Msg: 133
chemtrails
Posted: 2/22/2010 8:06:03 PM

There is nothing really to joke about at least as far as weather modification and cloud seeding go. It is real. I remember reading about it happening in the 70's in our local newspaper. The article below talks about it. It was taking place close to where I live and of course 'good ole' George' then state governor is mentioned in the article.


Yes, cloud seeding occurs. This is not news.

It is done by airplanes at a height which facilitates the chemical...potassium chlorate, potassium perchlorate, silver iodide, frozen carbon dioxide, etc., ...being taken up by updrafts into potential thunderstorms where it can then act as a nucleus for raindrops to develop. However, this happens at a height far below where we see the alleged airliners "spraying."

In fact, at those heights, most thunderstorms "top out" into that anvil shape. So cooling downdrafts would carry the chemicals to the ground and be useless for the intended purpose of creating rain.

It just really is a non-starter people.
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 134
Chemtrails -- Yup, millions have been guinea pigs!
Posted: 4/20/2010 1:14:09 PM

To Everyone who thinks that their *precious* government could never spray toxic, health destroying chemicals over millions of people >>> Think Again.

Good advice... especially considering the "evidence" provided and it's attempt at fear-mongering...

For example:

dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population...

While the Government has insisted the chemical is safe, cadmium is recognised as a cause of lung cancer and during the Second World War was considered by the Allies as a chemical weapon.

Except... They WEREN'T dropping cadmium... it was zinc cadmium sulfide which is a combination of zinc sulfide and cadmium sulfide... Cadmium sulfide is the pigment which is ubiquitous in art... It produces cadmium yellow... and zinc sulfide is a mineral known as sphalerite... often used as a gemstone... No "toxic, health destroying chemicals" there... Sorry...

and:

were exposed to bacteria including e.coli and bacillus globigii

Not all E. coli are health hazards... They do come in NON-VIRULENT strains which were identified decades before this... and there was NO huge E. coli epidemic over this period, pretty good evidence of non-virulence... And B. globigii is a strain of B.subtilis, again NON-VIRULENT and commonly used as a marker in a variety of bio-chemical investigations... Again, no "toxic, health destroying chemicals" there... Sorry, again...

But hey... If it turns your crank to play chicken little and run around claiming the sky is falling... Who am I, or what is logic, to do to stop you...
 stargazer1000
Joined: 1/16/2008
Msg: 135
chemtrails
Posted: 4/22/2010 9:28:39 AM

Contrails ( the usual trails from jet wings) are made
of water vapor, not jet exhaust btw.

The exhaust is invisible. This is the puzzling aspect.
Water vapor that lingers for hours in the sky is odd.
I've seen them unchanged for up to four hours.


Yes, water vapour both in the exhaust and condensed from the atmosphere on the carbon particles of the burned fuel.

As for "lingering" contrails, there is a perfectly good meteorological explanation for that.

As for the "dangerous health-destroying chemicals," you do realize don't you that, if you want to infect a population or endanger their health, there is far more efficient means of doing it? People have been doing it for centuries, in fact.

It's called a "water supply."

Hear "hoof beats?" Think horses, not zebras.
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 136
Chemtrails -- Yup, millions have been guinea pigs!
Posted: 4/22/2010 12:56:24 PM
I don't know if I mentioned this, but my above post is an article published in the Observer (UK newspaper). Also, the information in the article came about by what the government ADMITTED to doing. Do you get that? Is that registering at all?

Yes, you 'mentioned' it... That still does NOTHING to make non-toxic, non-virulent substances into "toxic, health destroying chemicals"... Do YOU get THAT...? Is THAT registering...?

The GOVERNMENT has NO right spraying ANYTHING over our heads, anyplace, at any time.

Says who...?

and the few that are outraged might as well just shut up, because the zombies & those in denial outnumber the sane.

Do you mean 'sane' as in screeching about "toxic, health destroying chemicals" when they aren't "toxic, health destroying chemicals"...? Chicken Little had little success in convincing all the other little animals that the sky was falling as well... Do you know why (hint: it had something to do with the words "ludicrous assertion")...?

You're right...between the chlorine, fluoride, and literally hundreds of other chemicals, it's no wonder the masses are quite docile

(oh, but it's all just a *conspiracy theory* right?)

Yep... Pretty much...
 stargazer1000
Joined: 1/16/2008
Msg: 137
chemtrails
Posted: 4/22/2010 1:27:47 PM
(oh, but it's all just a *conspiracy theory* right?)


The moment someone starts talking "government" or "New World Order," then yes. And it's stunning just how often that crap turns up. What you're talking about is incompetence or the problems with old infrastructure, not big dark conspiracy.

Then there's good old fashioned environmental "pollutants" - where my parents live in Northern Ontario is an area with tons of arsenic-bearing rocks. Not enough to kill ya but it's certainly in "the environment."

As for the "gubmint" deliberately "spraying...?" Please!


....and the few that are outraged might as well just shut up, because the zombies & those in denial outnumber the sane.


Oddly enough, the "sane" often end up sounding like ranting lunatics. Ah, delicious irony.
 stargazer1000
Joined: 1/16/2008
Msg: 138
chemtrails
Posted: 4/22/2010 5:31:02 PM

On this day, the sky was completely filled with them, they were all going
in just two directions and crossed, in a pattern. It was like a blanket covering
the sky. I watched and waited for hours and they never changed.
It was over four hours later when they even started to disperse a little bit.


I'm betting not long after that, you had rain (or snow, if winter). Contrails that hang out are usually the result of of the plane passing through a reasonably moist airmass. It's not all that mysterious, really.
 m14shooter
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Msg: 139
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Posted: 4/23/2010 4:32:17 AM
I have photographed the same two planes flying a grid pattern complete with tail numbers. They both made multiple passes over the same area. Funny how there wont be a trail in the sky and then you see planes flying back and forth that are not in any flight pattern and then the grid appears. If you don't have days worth free time to watch the skies you will always think they are not doing this on purpose. When you see the same two planes flying a grid you know they are up to something. Owners of solar power systems are reporting their systems are producing less power and especially around the time the chemtrails appear.
 stargazer1000
Joined: 1/16/2008
Msg: 140
chemtrails
Posted: 4/23/2010 6:19:26 AM

I have photographed the same two planes flying a grid pattern complete with tail numbers.


What altitude were they at? Were they jet liners? If you were, how did you read tail numbers from 35,000 feet away? You'd need something like this:

http://www.rcopticalsystems.com/telescopes/24military.html

Sesnas? Were you watching a weather modification a.k.a. cloud seeding project under way? In which case, really, not a great mystery there. That's been done for years.


Owners of solar power systems are reporting their systems are producing less power and especially around the time the chemtrails appear.


Really? Citations?

Because really, beyond the "yeah, I've seen this. It's all a conspiracy" you normally hear, when it comes to actual proof, it's usually sorely lacking.
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 141
chemtrails
Posted: 4/23/2010 12:56:07 PM
Person volunteering to be a human guinea pig by essentially giving up their right to optimum health SAYS:

Really...? And you CAN provide sound, scientific evidence that people who don't buy into the "chemtrails conspiracy" is giving up their right to optimum health...? I ask this because, so far, no-one has provided any such thing, especially not here... I've seen a news articles that 'fear monger' by equating non-toxic, non-virulent substances with similar sounding substances (kind of like saying "They dumped some potassium chloride and we all know that chlorine is poisonous and potassium is volatile")...

Where is the evidence...? The dead or disease ridden bodies directly linked to this "massive poisoning" of the populace...?

Since now we have to face your ridicule if we don't think and do as you demand by jumping on board the ostrich train.

No need... That train has already left the station... They call it the "Chemtrail Express", the 'sister engine' of the "Vaccine-induced Autism Express"...
 m14shooter
Joined: 10/2/2009
Msg: 142
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Posted: 4/23/2010 1:03:16 PM
Yeah they were jets. I got tail numbers many times and the planes are owned by a company that does cia and military contract work. I also got shots of a lot of US military planes doing this too. I have very high end cameras and have lenses that are pushing 100K that get me the shots on still cameras and video. When the shots are cleared for publication from the client that is paying the bills I will post them.

Bottom line is I want all the aerial spraying stopped including weather modification. Arizona used to have a great monsoon season and it ceased for the most part when the chemtrails started appearing. I have projects I have been trying to shoot for years and the weather modification crap is affecting my getting shots I need. Also getting sick of shooting a project and having to strip the sky from the shot because of the trails through the sky. I have had to reschedule many shoots because of this crap and I want it stopped, you are probably one of the people that believe in the global warming crap too.
 stargazer1000
Joined: 1/16/2008
Msg: 143
chemtrails
Posted: 4/23/2010 1:58:43 PM

you are probably one of the people that believe in the global warming crap too.


Yeah, and you're probably one of those people who buy into the big conspiracy theories, new world order, UFOs and other woo-woo nonsense.

See? Two can play at that game!
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 144
chemtrails
Posted: 4/23/2010 5:17:13 PM
To think people don’t conspire, plot and scheme behind people’s backs to get things to go the way they see fit is ridiculous.

Strawman... No-one ever said people don't make plans to do bad things...

Newton’s Theory of gravity, Darwin’s theory of evolution and Einstein’s theory of relativity.

See... THIS is where you start to lose people... Attempting to compare 'chemtrails', or 'new world order' or 'reptiloid alien shape-shifting slave masters', to these theories by proximity is what is ridiculous...

The problem is over 95% of the main news media propaganda is false. Over 95% of all the conspiracy theories is disinformation.

And ludicrous, home-made statistics tossed out to sound informed and authoritative is where you lose them completely...

So... once again, I'll ask this question... Chicken Little had little success in convincing all the other little animals that the sky was falling as well... Do you know why...?
 stargazer1000
Joined: 1/16/2008
Msg: 145
chemtrails
Posted: 4/24/2010 5:21:24 AM

For me … Bottom line is … Chemtrails are unhealthly and I don’t believe any military should be spraying this extra crap in our skies. No reason is good enough.


The problem being the immediate assumption that these are "chemtrails" and not "exhaust or contrails." The latter requires only a basic understanding of meteorology and physics to understand. The former requires elaborate machinations by various unnamed or assumed agencies running clandestine operations for unknown but presumed dark and nefarious purposes.

Oh Occam, where are you!? How we mourn your passing.


… The false assumptions people make …
… The false conclusions people jump to …
I will be here wishing you a Happy New Years on Jan 1 2013


Thank gawd, common sense somewhere!
 late™
Joined: 2/1/2010
Msg: 146
chemtrails
Posted: 4/24/2010 6:01:42 AM
^^^ IF ...there is anything legit to this, it will never be taken seriously because too many of the (woo woo) tinfoil beanie crowd have jumped on board.
 Twilightslove
Joined: 12/9/2008
Msg: 147
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Posted: 4/24/2010 7:14:26 AM

^^^ IF ...there is anything legit to this, it will never be taken seriously because too many of the (woo woo) tinfoil beanie crowd have jumped on board.


I was told one time that someone thought I was cheating on them and I told my best friend about that. She said "Well you know it is the ones who are accusing who are usually the ones doing". Light bulb moment.....she was so right about that one...

Makes you wonder just who the tinfoil beanie crowd really is......

There is a picture in my profile of these chemtrails. The picture is not that awesome as I'm not a photographer and it was taken with my cell phone. Describing what I saw.......I would say that these trails took on a basket weaving effect and covered the sky. Logically speaking there is no way that planes normally maneuver that way so it does make one wonder why. Of course, I saw this when most people were stuck in buildings working so many people might not have had the opportunity to see things like this. It was around 9:15 AM.
 late™
Joined: 2/1/2010
Msg: 148
chemtrails
Posted: 4/24/2010 7:54:30 AM
Chemtrail protection apparatus:

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/
 Twilightslove
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Posted: 4/27/2010 7:58:35 AM
The following link is a company that does cloud-seeding and/or weather modification for those who are skeptical about the validity of such things as chem trails.

http://www.weathermodification.com/cloud-seeding.php

Check out Weather Modification, Incorporated and see what you think.
 stargazer1000
Joined: 1/16/2008
Msg: 150
chemtrails
Posted: 4/27/2010 8:12:28 AM

The following link is a company that does cloud-seeding and/or weather modification for those who are skeptical about the validity of such things as chem trails


Weather modification has already been acknowledged as a reality in this thread. However, the term "chem trail" usually refers to the visible and lasting contrails left behind by passing high altitude jets and that they are part of some black-ops government conspiracy to do something nasty to the public below.

It also requires a significant denial of normal and observable weather phenomenon and a great deal of common sense.
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 151
chemtrails
Posted: 4/27/2010 1:38:44 PM

The following link is a company that does cloud-seeding and/or weather modification for those who are skeptical about the validity of such things as chem trails.

What, exactly, does cloud-seeding (a decades old practice) have to do with skepticism over "chemtrail conspiracy" lunacy...? Is this like the claims of GHWB using the term "new world order" being proof of the existance of reptiloid, shape-shifting alien slave masters...? Just want to be clear on the logic behind the connection you are inferring...
 stargazer1000
Joined: 1/16/2008
Msg: 152
.Gov admits to Chemtrails
Posted: 6/4/2010 1:32:15 PM
As I said before your last attempt to rejuvenite this tired old topic, no one is arguing cloud seeding. It's decades-old. However, I would ask the question again, is there any point in pointing out that the website refers to aerosols which come from several sources including industrial processes, airplane exhaust and others, as well as natural sources such as wave action, volcanic activity, dust and forest fires?

None of this has anything to do with dark and nefarious agencies.

Edit:


The ground samples showing dangerous levels of this are disturbing to say the least..


Welcome to life in an industrial society.
 stargazer1000
Joined: 1/16/2008
Msg: 153
.Gov admits to Chemtrails
Posted: 6/10/2010 5:46:12 AM

It is certainly strange to wake up to a clear blue sky, and by mid afternoon the sky is full of this haze created by these ever expanding aircraft trails! Yet on other days, there is similar traffic with NO residual trails what so ever!


Then, might I suggest you crack a book on basic meteorology.


It's so typical of the era that we live in. Odd, with communication being as good as it is! Few of us really know the truth about anything, when it boils right down to it.


Actually, the Internet has been the biggest boon to the conspiracy theory crowd ever. You always have a platform for the nuttiest ideas and an audience who will gobble it up as gospel, just for the opportunity for a little vainglorious posturing and declarations that "we know the truth!"
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