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 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 332
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Why does it have to be a choice between science and religion?


It doesn't have tobe a choice, but I don't see scientists trying to force churches to give equal time to the theory of evoultion while various religious groups try to force the teaching of a god-created universe into science classrooms ( they may change the name to something fancy like "intelligent design" but it still uses a "creator" as the guiding force).

And these religious groups use arguments like wanting to be fair & present both sides to the students... but this "being fair & presenting both sides" is not to be extended into the church because the church is a house of faith/god!!!





Neither has ever proven the other wrong about God.


Well, it's impossible to prove the non-existence of something; the onus is on the side making the claim for something's existence to prove their claim.
 SpecificTruths
Joined: 9/19/2009
Msg: 333
Condoning Atheism.
Posted: 7/15/2010 2:09:43 PM

Of course science and certain religions contradict each other, but science and the basics of Christianity do not.
What?
Science says a virgin birth is impossible. The whole basis of christianity is a virgin birth and ressurection from the dead. Both are definately contradictions to science. Whoa, ok, steppin back from this one, damn.
 SpecificTruths
Joined: 9/19/2009
Msg: 334
Condoning Atheism.
Posted: 7/16/2010 6:40:47 AM
^^^ Delusional.
Ask an emergency room doctor if someone can be "resurrected" after being dead, buried in a tomb for three days, with serious wounds on both hands and both feet, as well as a severe stab wound to the abdomen. Those who "come back" from the dead have been flatlined for five minutes or so, no more. My brother is an emergency room nurse and sees it everyday. I promise you they haven't "resurrected" anyone who's been dead for three days. Nice try, but your answer is weak, at best.
And, what about a virgin giving birth? And don't give me the artificial insemination crap, because that technology was not in existence 2000 years ago. You not answering that and providing a weak answer to my resurrection question is typical of a christian. Just answer where you want to and ignore the rest, all the while praying for my sins. Pfft. Prayers are never answered, either, but that's a whole other can of worms.

Raise kids to be atheists, not delusional paranoid "believers" who waste their time in church participating in sacraments based on pagan ritual and cannibalism (communion).
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 335
Condoning Atheism.
Posted: 7/16/2010 7:50:28 AM

susan sd .. when we understand the mind better we will be able to show precisely why humans are attracted to faith based beliefs.when we can quantify the effect we can compare like with like.


Perhaps we could show precisely why SOME humans are attracted, but not all humans are. It could be that those attracted are delusional, or have a mindset that easilu accepts things that can't be proven, if that belief gives them comfort. Believing something doesn't make it real though, no matter how many people believe it

Quantfiy what effect?

And belief in god can never be considered "like" when compared to science. Such a belief is an act of faith while science requires proof, tests, experiments etc. If there was proof of god's existence then faith wouldn't be needed.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 336
Condoning Atheism.
Posted: 7/16/2010 7:55:13 AM

People have different beliefs largely because science cannot prove these things to be either true or untrue.


But science isn't making the claim for these things ( Jesus was the son of God, he died for us and he wanted us to live kind and charitable lives), Christians are. The burden of proof lies on the ones making a claim, it isn't up to others to prove the claims aren't true.
 sarniafairyboy
Joined: 6/19/2010
Msg: 337
"Condoning Atheism" ???
Posted: 7/19/2010 4:28:29 PM

And for many, maybe not you, but many others, it gives them some comfort to know that there is something better waiting for them after this existence. And you may be right, there may be nothing for us after death except to become worm food. I choose to believe otherwise. And there is no proof that I am right or wrong, or that you are right or wrong. In fact, there are a lot of people that have documented near death experiences that do talk about the light, or something to that affect. But the only way to prove that which idea is correct is to actually die, and I am not willing to do that to test my faith. Because that is exactly what it is, faith.


"there is something better waiting."

if you truly 'believe' this, why not off yourself now and go to this mythical 'better place' SOONER, rather than later?

ah, but you have the 'answer' for that covered off as well? "because 'god' doesn't want us to" , right?

where does the thread title 'condoning' atheism come from ? what is the 'alternative' to 'condoning' it? killing anyone who professes atheism, in the name of your 'loving god'?
 eastwood969
Joined: 12/21/2009
Msg: 338
Condoning Atheism.
Posted: 7/22/2010 7:41:57 AM
Give children five minutes to think and they have started on something else. They enjoy running through sprinkler systems. They cannot recognize a thought long enough to have any importance. Their biggest problem is the boogie man and I really don't know which horror film they saw to establish that. They were probably just watching the news. Religion is good for a few sayings like do unto others like you would have them do unto you. But the kids would be better off if you told them that you created that philosphy instead of it coming from Christ. Churches of any religion along with charitable organizations and government are all doing the same thing. Taking money from you. Wake up people, don't call me when you run out of money.
 SpecificTruths
Joined: 9/19/2009
Msg: 339
Condoning Atheism.
Posted: 7/22/2010 1:34:01 PM

I will stick to Little Red Riding Hood and Three Bears as educational books
Great post...
I like Curious George, myself.
 sarniafairyboy
Joined: 6/19/2010
Msg: 340
Condoning Atheism.
Posted: 7/22/2010 2:40:52 PM
"god" was huge on killing, he killed every human being, living thing, animal, plants, insects, etc., etc. except for those on Noah's Ark

he was a KILLING MACHINE, man!

he did better than Hitler, Pol Pot or Stalin, at least on a percentage basis, close to 100% of the world's population at the time. basically 100% except for the 8 people taken on the Ark..

And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. Genesis 6:7

And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die. Genesis 6:17

Every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth. Genesis 7:4

And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark. Genesis 7:21-23

AND, God killed 100,000 Syrians for calling him a God of the hills

Don't call God a God of the hills. He really doesn't like it.

The Syrians called him that.

And the servants of the king of Syria said unto him, Their gods are gods of the hills; therefore they were stronger than we; but let us fight against them in the plain, and surely we shall be stronger than they. 1 Kings 20:23

Then an anonymous "man of God" told the king of Israel (Ahab) that God would slaughter the Syrians for calling him a hill god and, by so doing, show Ahab that he is the Lord.

And there came a man of God, and spake unto the king of Israel, and said, Thus saith the LORD, Because the Syrians have said, The LORD is God of the hills, but he is not God of the valleys, therefore will I deliver all this great multitude into thine hand, and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 1 Kings 20:28

So God delivered the Syrians into Ahab's hand and the Israelites killed 100,000 in one day.

And the children of Israel slew of the Syrians an hundred thousand footmen in one day. 1 Kings 20:29

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 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 341
Condoning Atheism.
Posted: 7/22/2010 4:03:10 PM

"god" was huge on killing, he killed every human being, living thing, animal, plants, insects, etc., etc. except for those on Noah's Ark

he was a KILLING MACHINE, man!


But you're overlooking a very important point; He did it because He LOVES us.

Oh yeah , and if we don't love Him back, He's gonna throw us into a lake of fire for all eternity.

Like the song says, "you always hurt the one you love"
 sarniafairyboy
Joined: 6/19/2010
Msg: 342
Condoning Atheism.
Posted: 7/23/2010 1:19:07 PM
^^



he was a KILLING MACHINE, man!
But you're overlooking a very important point; He did it because He LOVES us.

Which, incidentally, is why the religious right fights so much for the parental "right" to use spanking and inflict pain to a child under the pretext that "we do it because we love them". Spare the rod, spoil the child? (the *rod* no less!) ...Tough love. Just like God. Yep.


true.. similar reasoning to that heard by men who physically abuse their wives (punch, hit, kick, slap, push, etc.)

"I'm just doing this because I love you.." ..
 SpecificTruths
Joined: 9/19/2009
Msg: 343
Condoning Atheism.
Posted: 7/23/2010 2:19:22 PM
God is portrayed as nothing more than an angry, overly emotional, irrational teenager in the bible who kills those who don't love him back.
And people believe, with all their heart, that such a thing exists in this day and age.
Amazing.
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