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 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 50
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http://www.nationalmssociety.org/living-with-multiple-sclerosis/healthy-living/vaccinations/index.aspx


Many people with MS have concerns about the safety of routine vaccinations. Information is now available from a variety of sources that most vaccines are safe for people with MS.

A study published in the Archives of Neurology in 2003, indicated that vaccinations for influenza (flu), hepatitis B, tetanus, measles and rubella (German measles) are safe for people with MS and are not associated with an increased risk for the development of MS or optic neuritis.

The study evaluated data on vaccinations and other risk factors from medical records and telephone interviews with 440 people with multiple sclerosis or optic neuritis and 950 control subjects without neurologic disease.
 Fort Garry Dark
Joined: 11/25/2005
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Posted: 5/10/2010 4:53:59 PM
They should be trying it out and publishing the results.


As I write this , I am watching the show W5 on TV. There appears to be a Dr. Zamboni ( no jokes about hockey rinks please...this is serious) who has discovered an astounding treatment that could actually CURE MS! Do you know anyone with this disease??


I know a number of women with MS. It would be great to put it behind us. And Manitoba has very high rates of it.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 52
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Posted: 5/14/2010 10:07:36 AM

Ever hear of alum, a derivative of aluminum.??


Ever hear of sodium ( Na ) ? It's a metal that reacts explosively when exposed to water.

Ever hear of chlorine ( Cl ) ? It's poisonous.

Salt is Sodium chloride ( NaCl ). We need some salt in our diet to live.


And just because a study says it found no connection, doesn't mean that study was accurate, honest or meaningfull.

And just because a study says it DID find a connection, doesn't mean that study was accurate, honest or meaningful.


Maybe the science isn't avaliable yet that will make a connection between vaccines and MS.


Which ( if the science isn't available yet) would mean Wakefield's study is bogus.


Maybe they are unwilling to expose it for fear of being railroaded like Dr Andrew Wakefield.


Railroaded? I think you mean exposed as a fraud/charlatn.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/02/lancet.retraction.autism/index.html

some excerpts:

The study subsequently had been discredited, and last week, the lead author, Dr. Andrew Wakefield, was found to have acted unethically in conducting the research.

The General Medical Council, which oversees doctors in Britain, said that "there was a biased selection of patients in The Lancet paper" and that his "conduct in this regard was dishonest and irresponsible."

The panel found that Wakefield subjected some children in the study to various invasive medical procedures such as colonoscopies and MRI scans. He also paid children at his son's birthday party to have blood drawn for research purposes, an act that "showed a callous disregard" for the "distress and pain" of the children, the panel said.

"It has become clear that several elements of the 1998 paper by Wakefield et al. are incorrect, contrary to the findings of an earlier investigation. In particular, the claims in the original paper that children were 'consecutively referred' and that investigations were 'approved' by the local ethics committee have been proven to be false. Therefore we fully retract this paper from the published record."

Dr. Richard Horton, editor of The Lancet, said he reviewed the General Medical Council report regarding Wakefield's conduct.

"It's the most appalling catalog and litany of some the most terrible behavior in any research and is therefore very clear that it has to be retracted," he said.


Since its publication, Wakefield's study has attracted many critics who argued that the work had been so flawed, it should not be regarded as scientific.

Subsequent research has been unable to duplicate Wakefield's findings.

A September 2008 study replicated key parts of Wakefield's original paper and found no evidence that the vaccine had a connection to either autism or GI disorders. The study, conducted at Columbia University, Massachusetts General Hospital and the CDC, also found no relationship between the timing of the vaccine and children getting GI disorders or autism.

Since Wakefield's study came out, some 20 other studies have come out, and each one of these studies, done by different researchers, in different populations and in different countries, has denied the associations between vaccines and autism,"
 arturo_bandini
Joined: 9/4/2009
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Posted: 5/14/2010 2:54:47 PM

Ever hear of alum, a derivative of aluminum.?


Well, Duh. EVERYBODY knows about alum. That's the stuff that Bugs Bunny put in the opera singer's mister, so that when he took a shot to clear his throat, his head began to shrank and he sang "Figaro" higher and higher and higher. Anyone who's ever watched Looney Tunes knows what alum is. That shit is comedy gold.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 54
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Posted: 5/14/2010 7:06:35 PM

That's the stuff that Bugs Bunny put in the opera singer's mister, so that when he took a shot to clear his throat, his head began to shrank and he sang "Figaro" higher and higher and higher. Anyone who's ever watched Looney Tunes knows what alum is. That shit is comedy gold.





Well, we DO agree onsomething arturo. I preffered the Rabbit of Seville myself.
 Dudleyh45
Joined: 8/4/2008
Msg: 55
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Posted: 5/21/2010 11:12:35 PM
well sh1t alum goes into dill pickles, maybe it's dill pickles that's causing the ms? let's lobby government to banish all pickles from the public market for the betterment of society.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 56
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Posted: 6/3/2010 11:49:22 PM
and check out this site about MMF

http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/topics/aluminium/questions/en/

and here's some quotes from the gaia-health website:


At Gaia Health, we see health and the world a little differently. They are intertwined, one with the other. We cannot be healthy if the world isn't, and with so many of us in existence, the world cannot be healthy if we aren't. Thus, our name is taken from the image of the earth as a living organism: Gaia.



At all times, we strive to do honor to Gaia and our place with her. Articles about health have a focus on achieving and maintaining it, rather than on extreme measures that work discordantly with the earth—or don't work at all. To that end, coverage includes issues of the environment and climate change, and as they're relevant, the associated politics.


I dunno, I think I'd rather get health advice from a doctor than from a group that feels "We cannot be healthy if the world isn't", "At all times, we strive to do honor to Gaia", and "coverage includes issues of the environment and climate change, and as they're relevant, the associated politics".
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 57
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Posted: 6/5/2010 11:31:25 PM
As usual, Susan misses the point.


The point apparently being that "anything rozzko posts is automatically to be accepted without question, because if you disagree with rozzko you're automatically wrong... at least in rozzko's mind"



Susan is a simple contrarian who must be right, or appear to be right


Which could be stated about your posts just as well.


Important issues are simply left to the experts


Well, no actually. But if 1 researcher ( let's use Wakefield as an example) does research & produces results BUT :


Subsequent research has been unable to duplicate Wakefield's findings.

A September 2008 study replicated key parts of Wakefield's original paper and found no evidence that the vaccine had a connection to either autism or GI disorders. The study, conducted at Columbia University, Massachusetts General Hospital and the CDC, also found no relationship between the timing of the vaccine and children getting GI disorders or autism.

Since Wakefield's study came out, some 20 other studies have come out, and each one of these studies, done by different researchers, in different populations and in different countries, has denied the associations between vaccines and autism,"


Wouldn't it make more sense to think that Wakefield's research was faulty ( either deliberately or thru incompetence) than to think "gee, 20 other studies by different researchers in different countries didn't get the same results... those 20 other studies must be in error" ?


Susan can also do no wrong by constanly alligning with the experts. Its fool proof. Naive, but fool proof.


Sorta like rozzko who can post links & data on the web that are in agreement with what he wants to believe while ignoring any links & data that disagree with what he believes; to the extent that there's ( in his mind) a global conspiracy to discredit Wakefield's research.


Must be nice to live in Neverland.


It might be, but long as you're there why don't you send us a postcard?

Nice ad hominem attack btw...


Ad hominem
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject.

It is most commonly used to refer specifically to the ad hominem abusive, or argumentum ad personam, which consists of criticizing or personally attacking an argument's proponent in an attempt to discredit that argument

 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 58
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Posted: 6/6/2010 10:00:44 PM

You are wrong about vaccine safety, and are deluded about the truth.


Acxtually, I don't believe I have said that I personally think the vaccines are safe, I merely post links to sites that contradict the links you've posted. I wouldn't want people to make up their minds based on any posted links that only present one side of a topic.


But I recognize the truth about vaccines, and that puts me in a category of people who are not static is our belief or pig-headed about the status-quo.


The truth being any site that supports your beliefs, apparently. Any sites that challenge your beliefs are automatically ( in your mind)


fraudulent data that supports companies whose products are devastating children around the globe.



You could learn from people like me


People like you? Meaning what exactly? People that believe the same things you believe, and if confronted with opposing studies simply say " those studies are wrong".

Btw, what is your profession? Do you have a degree that would make you an authority on vaccines? If not then I'll pass on having you teach me something about vaccines & instead would be fine with you teaching me something you are a qualified expert on.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 59
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Posted: 6/6/2010 10:03:10 PM
Oh yeah, there was a great episode of W-5 Saturday looking at the "cure for MS" ( I don't think the surgeon that developed it called it a cure ( that's what the media was calling it) , but he did say it lessens the severity of symptoms). Looks promising.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 60
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Posted: 9/2/2010 2:26:26 PM
I skimmed through it, I'll give it a further reading later.

I noticed the article is dated as being posted Oct 16/09, the english version is dated as being from July 21/09, & there's nothing indicating the original date of this interview.

He states "My work will be submitted for peer review in the upcoming several months. "

Next month those "upcoming several months" will be (being generous towards him & using the date the article was posted as the guideline) a year.

Are there any peer reviews available online?

I couldn't find any... but he has appeared on talk radio's "Coast to Coast" ( between the CIA-trained psychic remote viewing guests & the people with evidence of extraterrestrial abduction perhaps?), "The Power Hour" ( found some neat stuff on their web page for books about the 911 US government conspiracy).

Oh, and he slips in a nice advetisement for "brainguardmd.com"; so that raises some doubt as to whether he has altruistic concerns or commercial concerns.


Of course, none of this has anything to do with the surgical procedure to treat MS; I'm just responding to rozzko's post which was also off topic.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 61
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Posted: 9/10/2010 10:33:05 PM
http://www.quackwatch.org/search/webglimpse.cgi?ID=1&query=vaccine
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 62
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Posted: 9/12/2010 10:21:58 PM

Surely the are many deniars who use flimsy reasoning to support their worthless opinions.


Kinda like you constantly telling the world about Dr Wakefield's groundbreaking research on the dangers of existing vaccines reasearch that no one else has been able to duplicate. Luckily he has a patent ( or a pending patent) on a vaccine HE'S developed so people can purchase & use HIS vaccine).


http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/02/lancet.retraction.autism/index.html

some excerpts:

The study subsequently had been discredited, and last week, the lead author, Dr. Andrew Wakefield, was found to have acted unethically in conducting the research.

The General Medical Council, which oversees doctors in Britain, said that "there was a biased selection of patients in The Lancet paper" and that his "conduct in this regard was dishonest and irresponsible."

The panel found that Wakefield subjected some children in the study to various invasive medical procedures such as colonoscopies and MRI scans. He also paid children at his son's birthday party to have blood drawn for research purposes, an act that "showed a callous disregard" for the "distress and pain" of the children, the panel said.

"It has become clear that several elements of the 1998 paper by Wakefield et al. are incorrect, contrary to the findings of an earlier investigation. In particular, the claims in the original paper that children were 'consecutively referred' and that investigations were 'approved' by the local ethics committee have been proven to be false. Therefore we fully retract this paper from the published record."

Dr. Richard Horton, editor of The Lancet, said he reviewed the General Medical Council report regarding Wakefield's conduct.

"It's the most appalling catalog and litany of some the most terrible behavior in any research and is therefore very clear that it has to be retracted," he said.


Since its publication, Wakefield's study has attracted many critics who argued that the work had been so flawed, it should not be regarded as scientific.

Subsequent research has been unable to duplicate Wakefield's findings.

A September 2008 study replicated key parts of Wakefield's original paper and found no evidence that the vaccine had a connection to either autism or GI disorders. The study, conducted at Columbia University, Massachusetts General Hospital and the CDC, also found no relationship between the timing of the vaccine and children getting GI disorders or autism.

Since Wakefield's study came out, some 20 other studies have come out, and each one of these studies, done by different researchers, in different populations and in different countries, has denied the associations between vaccines and autism,"



http://briandeer.com/mmr/st-wakefield-vaccine.htm

Wakefield failed to reveal that he was developing his own commercial rival to the vaccine.

It has emerged that a patent was filed on behalf of Dr Andrew Wakefield for a measles vaccine and other products that would have stood a better chance of success if public confidence in MMR’s safety was undermined.

Wakefield now faces criticism that he should have declared the conflict of interest when he announced a possible link between MMR and childhood autism.



"...greed merchants ... reap profit .."


But Wakefield's un-duplicatable research showing existing vaccines are dangerous but his own newly developed vaccine isn't have nothing to do with greed or reaping profit??? If he isn't a greed merchant trying to reap profit I guess he'll have to sell his vaccine at cost.

I guess rozzko's definition of "quack" is any doctor/researcher whose findings & views are opposed to rozzko's.


and war mongers....Big Tobacco


Both non sequiturs.


Just searched any vaccine and/or pharmaceutical company with the term "lawsuit" and try to deny these companies are nothing but honest, harmless humanitarians


People can also search "anti-vaccine quack" and try to deny that Wakefield & others of his ilk are nothing but scientific charlatans.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 63
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Posted: 9/17/2010 9:37:38 PM

check this site for 28 studies that support Wakefield's research.


Actually, I did check the web link & read 1 article by one doctor ( it doesn't say what he's a doctor of though).

The article also links vaccines to AIDS, quotes a Dr stating ""I never saw cancer in an un-vaccinated person." . The Dr said that in 1909. Some other doctors from the 1800's are quoted... pretty sure medical science has progressed a lot since then.



Wakefield was offering to research an alternative to vaccines{/quote]

Actually, Wakefield DID research an alternative to vaccines, he produced results showing the existing vaccine is dangerous... results no othe researcher could duplicate, and he has a patent/patent pending on a vaccine he has developed that ***surprise surprise *** isn't dangerous . So based on that I'd say


Yeah that Wakefield is an evil man.


BTW rozzko, why ain't ya posting on the thread I originated asking about vaccine risks instead of trying to hijack other threads with your mantra?
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 64
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Posted: 10/12/2010 11:48:42 PM

So by reading one article, you have formed an opinion. A person might consider that less that worthy. Fact is there is 27 more articles, and if you don't read them you can't blanket them all with the same opinion.


With the one I did read quoting a Dr. from 1909, and other doctors from the 1800's it seems pointless to continue reading the other articles.

And how many of the links that I've posted that discredit Wakefield's research have you read?

Or do you not need to read any of those links because your mind is made up?
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 65
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Posted: 10/24/2010 10:28:37 PM

Dr Rebecca Carley MD


Here's some information on Dr Carley, from her own site ( the sections in parenthesis are mine):


received her Bachelor’s degree in Diagnostic Ultrasound, attended medical school (and received the Samuel L. Kountz award for clinical excellence in surgery at graduation), and trained to be a general surgeon at State University of New York at Downstate Medical Center in Brooklyn. Dr. Carley also worked as an attending Emergency Room physician at Kings County Medical Center in Brooklyn {/quote]

(Qualifications in ultrasound & general surgery doesn't make you qualified in the field of immunology.)


Dr. Carley left the practice of General Surgery and “allopathic” medicine after realizing that no one was actually being healed of their diseases, and she started researching “alternative” medicine while taking time off to start a family.


(People not being healed by surgery? Maybe it was the surgeon's ( her) fault)


After Dr. Carley’s only child was brain damaged as a result of inoculations he received, Dr. Carley learned how to reverse the damage with homeopathy and other natural supplements


( But it only STATES her child was brain damaged as a result of inoculations, no proof posted at this site)

(Reverse the damage with homeopathy & other natural supplements? No one else has been able to prove homeopathy can cue anything. Why doesn't she prove this claim & collect the Nobel prize in medicine?)


She has written the definitive paper explaining the mechanism whereby inoculations with disease are causing VIDS (Vaccine Induced Diseases), which has been featured in multiple publications


(none of them peer-reviewed scientific journals, just anti vaccine/pro alternative medicine publications)


Besides being a guest on over 200 radio and television shows


(a guest on radio & TV shows? That PROVES she isn's a fraud ( or possibly simply deluded)



This self evident fact has been taken out of subsequent editions of Harrison's Principles of Internal Medicine


Hmmm they're actually updating a medical book? Must be something shady going on. I bet that's why doctors no longer bleed patients to try to cure them...

"Self evident" facts are often wrong and may be adjusted or discarded when nore evidence is collected. Here's an example:

1) leaves start falling off trees in Autumn
2) with no ( or almost no) leaves on the trees, it gets steadily colder & Winter occurs with snow , ice, etc

Self evident fact: the cold conditions during winter are caused by the fact the leaves that were covering the trees are no longer there to hold down the heat we recieve from the Sun. Pine needles must not be wide enough to hold the heat down here.


Dr Rebecca Carley MD is a court qualified expert on VIDS (Vaccine induced Diseases)


Since she wrote a book about VIDS that wouldn't be surprising. But it doesn't mean her conclusions are correct; a court is composed of legal minds, not scientific minds.

Many writers of UFO books are considered "experts" in that field. It doesn't mean they're right.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 66
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Posted: 10/25/2010 5:45:05 PM
As usual rozzko ignores anything that opposes what they want to believe.

I've never said Iwas pro or anti vaccine, merely that people should educate themselves and make their own decisions.


I'll give you a hint who's behind Quachwatch....BIG PHARMA


The old conspiracy theory again. No proof of it but hey, if the pharmaceutical companies deny there's a conspiracy that PROVES there is one, right? Why bother with evidence whe nyou can use your gut instinct?

The companies make the vaccine, the governments buy it, and the company gets their $$ whether anyone gets vaccinated or not.

But if you don't want to go wit hscience & scientists, no problem. Most of the Drs. rozzko endorses are homeopathic & naturopaths... that should give you some indication of where rozzko's thinking goes.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 67
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Posted: 10/28/2010 4:24:09 PM

Scd is running out of ammunition and HIS only weapon left is critism. Scd does not truly research these issues, and speaks from an obvious personal bias.


As usual rozzko ignores what I actually post regarding my own opinion . I haven't said I'm pro or anti vaccine... as a matter of fact, th only vaccinations I've ever gotten are for tetanus, I never get the flu shots.


only weapon left is critism


And as we can all see time after time, rozzko's only weapon is broad sweeping claims that SHE never provides evidence for.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 68
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Posted: 11/2/2010 8:56:25 PM
What are you afraid of, vaccines are pristine and cause no harm whatsoever.


I've never said that, I've said people should look into it & make up their own minds. And I've said that if people are going to make claims they should provide evidence of their claims.

Or are you prepared to state you're anti-vaccine


I'm neither pro vaccine nor anti vaccine. I am for people making informed personal decisions for themselves, and not accepting any claim someone wishes to make without supporting evidence.

If I had a compromised immune system due to underlying existing health problems, or was elderly I'd consider getting the flu vaccine. As my health is great I see no need for it at this time.

 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 69
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Posted: 11/5/2010 12:39:09 AM

Quote from David Ayoub MD

I am no longer trying to dig up evidence to prove vaccines cause autism. There
is already abundant evidence....This debate is not scientific but is political.[/quote[

Or it could be that he hasn't been able to find any evidence to directly link vaccines to autism. And if that's the case, it would make his aim easier if the science was brushed aside in favour of politics.


The AAP leadership knows very well that vaccines cause autism


With no evidence to support this claim, it's just a claim.


We need not waste anymore efforts in trying to educate them, we need to indict them.


Indict them, when he's already stated the debate isn't scientific but is political? So indict them with no proof.


They have lied to legislators, they have lied to journalists, they have lied to Pediatricians, and worst of all, they have lied to you and your children.


More claims with no proof. If they have lied to legislators why doesn't he have them charged with perjury?


One thing is abundantly clear, they don't give a damn about scientific truth


He says, after stating "This debate is not scientific but is political". Guess he means they don't give a damn about HIS scientific "truth.

David Ayoub MD is a radiologist, that hardly makes him anauthority on vaccines & autism.

Here's some information about Dr Ayoub:

Here's the link:

http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2006/08/405/

Here's some of the article at that link, feel free to read the entire page:



David Ayoub – Autism Specialist

I first remember hearing the name David Ayoub on the website of Erik’s FAIR Autism Media where Ayoub is listed as the Medical Director. One would suppose that the Medical Director of an autism organisation that believes thiomersal causes autism would be an expert in either autism or maybe toxicology. In actual fact, Ayoub is neither. He’s a Radiologist.

David Ayoub, MD, is a radiologist at the Memorial Medical Center in Springfield, Illinois

Source

So what does Radiology have to do with autism? Well, nothing.

What medical skills could Ayoub, as a trained Radiologist, bring to the field of autism? None.

No matter, maybe Ayoub has published some good science about autism or mercury?

Well, no – Ayoub MD, has (count ‘em) five entries on PubMed, none of which touch on either autism or mercury. His last paper (on digital imaging) was published in 1997.
-----
Perhaps Ayoub’s most famous contribution to the autism = thiomersal debate is his vanity piece written by Evelyn Pringle. Entitled David Ayoub – Thimerosal Definite Cause Of Autism, this article seemed to say a lot but actually said nothing at all beyond the title. Let’s not beat around the bush here. Just like Brad Handley, David Ayoub is stating that thiomersal definitely causes autism. Pretty strong words. Let’s take a look beyond the title of the article though and see what the man himself says to back that up.

Well, the short answer is (of course) nothing. The longer answer starts off with:

I can state that the certainty of the science supporting mercury as a major cause of autism is probably more overpowering than the science behind any other disease process that I studied dating back to medical school.

This is the same science, formulated by the same scientists, that was recently rejected by a court Daubert hearing don’t forget. And not rejected by some legal trickery, but rejected as it was crap.

But David Ayoub, the ‘Science Prodigy’ can state that the same science is ‘certain’ and is ‘more overpowering than the science behind any other disease process’ that Ayoub has studied since medical school.
-----
But Ayoub isn’t done yet. The ‘Science Prodigy’ has more stone cold certainties to lay on us:

A growing number of experimental, epidemiological and biochemical research, has unequivocally shown that mercury is directly linked to the development of autism spectrum disorders

They have? Maybe someone could point these out to me? I seem to have missed them. Somewhere along the line I think our ‘Vaccine education crusader’ has concentrated more on the crusading than the research
-----

"I really don’t see the need for more research to prove causality."

Well, of course he doesn’t – did he ever? The whole of the mercury militia have never been overly concerned with trifling matters like research to back up their beliefs. That’s why all the accumulated science to date was thrown out of court and will, barring fresh evidence, continue to be thrown out of court.

-----
So, let’s go see what the Prairie Collaborative thinks is accurate information. Well, under the heading ‘Science’ we have ‘papers’ from Bradstreet, Bernard, Holmes and LOTS from (you guessed it) Geiers. Even Ken Stoller pops up, bless his HBOT heart. So this dross is the ‘accurate information’ that ‘unequivocally’ shows that ‘mercury is directly linked to the development of autism spectrum disorders’. It’s a roll call of the scientists and science that the recent RhoGAM hearings threw out as being rubbish.
-----


The page is worth reading.

Of course, anyone with a closed mind will ignore the information here because they have already made up their minds & ignore anything that goes against their preconceived view.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 70
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Posted: 11/14/2010 2:47:15 AM

I will however provide a site with a page of Vaccines cause MS stories and sites. Anyone who can deny this scientific basis of this does not want convincing.


And maintain the "scientific basis" rozzko mentioned, I'll provide sites showing the opposing information.

http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2006/08/405/

http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2009/02/the_autismvaccines_fraud.php#more

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/10/ff_waronscience

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/10/ff_waronscience_argument

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/10/the_anti-vaccine_movement_strikes_back_u.php
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 71
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Posted: 11/17/2010 8:01:34 PM

WOW, what an impressive list of sites that are like Quackwatch and exist to counter the evidence that vaccines are damaging us daily.


Almost as impressive as the lists of sites you post that have claims that " vaccines are damaging us ". Of course, none of the sites you post have any actual evidence... just a bunch of broad claims & suppositions.


I would like to know who funds these sites are have a vested interest in misleading the public.


The same goes for the sites you post; I'm sure Wakefield has a vested interest... after all, he produced "results" ( results numerous other researchers can't reproduce) that show the existing vaccines are a danger... luckily for us he's getting a patent ( perhaps he has it now) for the vaccine HE'S produced which he claims is safe.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 72
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Posted: 11/22/2010 12:02:23 AM

This website and others discuss the fact that Sanofi Pasteur has listed AUTISM as a side effect of its DTAP vaccine. It was later removed. This highlights the common industry practise of claiming only rare and mild reactions occur, but they simply alter evidence that shows how faulty and fraudulent their products are.



Oh no! More claims of big Phatrma & the conspiracy!! The evidence is... hmm...... Ok, well sounds like the evidence for the conspiracy is that they can't find the evidence....

Getting back to the thread topic, there was an unfortunate news story regarding the surgical treatment of MS

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/ms-patients-urged-to-shun-therapy-109453384.html

But all surgery has risks, the research for this procedure should continue since it appears to alleviate symptoms in a significant number of patients & in the end it's the patient's decision.
 chemosaby
Joined: 1/1/2011
Msg: 73
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Posted: 6/22/2011 2:50:32 PM
www.ageofautism.com/2009/02/vaccine-court-hepatitis-b-shot-causes-ms.html

www.knowvaccines.com/vaccineingredients.htm

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