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 Molly Maude
Joined: 9/11/2008
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not ONLY "which psychologists?" ... but ALSO ... WHY would "psychologists" talk about women's "testestorone" levels anyway? psychologists are NOT M.D.s ... psychologists don't receive training in chemical balances or inbalances in the body ... they don't prescribe medications to treat something that would cause a woman to "become more aggressive" ...

now, if he'd said "psychiatrist" ... a psychiatrist is an M.D. with clinical training and a DEA certificate ... but ... then, again .... naaawww ... I STILL would have said, "which one? ... specifically, WHICH psychiatrist said that?!"

people who make vague sweeping comments like that are just so amusing ... if they had any truth behind their comments, they would have cited them ... listed authors, degrees, journals published ...

I've read this post and all I can do is laugh, shake my head and wonder why anyone would post something that inflammatory and vague ... and ... obviously ... it was to get attention ... which he HAS! so congratulations ... we've all noticed you ...

excuse me ... I've got to go shower attention on my cat, small dog and/or younger boy toy!
 moraima
Joined: 6/26/2005
Msg: 56
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Posted: 12/11/2009 4:42:40 PM
Older women and motherly instincts.....................I have just found the whole thing to be a big laugh...............

I don't think OP meant to give us a laugh, but that is exactly what he did.
 Sapphireeyes
Joined: 1/13/2008
Msg: 57
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Posted: 12/11/2009 5:27:50 PM
All the good threads that were recently deleted...and this one is still here...how lame...

it is a troll thread, there is no increase ...it was just to piss off women and it worked...

Note to the female posters...if the person doesnt have a picture and they post garbage...there is no where good for the thread to go...just call a troll a troll and move on. Hopefully soon the mods will delete the thread.
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
Msg: 58
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Posted: 12/11/2009 7:57:46 PM
But Sapph ~~ if we don't have troll threads, what's left? I really prefer to post with the over 45's but it's getting harder and harder to do so. How much *can* one say about trimming one's bits, lol!?

 TryAgan
Joined: 4/4/2008
Msg: 60
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Posted: 12/12/2009 4:19:54 AM
tink - msg 2

I guess one needs to ask the OP what the psychologists have to tell us about men that age. Perhaps they need that red or silver convertible, that motorcycle, all the dead animals and fish in their profile photos

I just can't picture any self-respecting man carrying a dead fish on the motorcycle or stuffing a dead moose into his silver convertible. Unless, he has increased levels of testiclerone.
 Gwendolyn2010
Joined: 1/22/2006
Msg: 62
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Posted: 12/12/2009 7:55:42 AM

their testestorone increases and they become more aggressive.


I have always been aggressive.

And by the way, the increase of testosterone wouldn't be a psychological issue, but a physiological issue.


On the other hand, many of them are in need of a cat, small dog, or a younger toy boy.


"Needing" a pet has little to do with age, and men have as many pets as do women.

Do old men date young women because they need someone to father, or are other factors involved? I lived with a young man; I mothered my ex-husband much more than I mothered the younger guy.
 TryAgan
Joined: 4/4/2008
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Posted: 12/12/2009 9:02:40 PM
^^^

BTW, cooking the moose soup, drinking the soup, and eating the meat can help a man to increase his testosterone. I am seriously telling guys about the soup function.

I can't get any moose where I live. How about a beaver?
 Brizo
Joined: 2/19/2006
Msg: 66
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Posted: 12/12/2009 9:10:54 PM
waning testcliterone levels? Maybe that's why I don't want to hug my cats as much...

read your profile...this pet thing is really getting to ya, huh? Not everyone is into being footloose and fancy free. You just have to find a woman whose interests match your own.
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
Msg: 67
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Posted: 12/12/2009 10:37:41 PM
Cats, I wasn't saying that *you* had no articles, lol! Rather that OPie had none. And BTW, everybody interested google DHEA. . . .

 Molly Maude
Joined: 9/11/2008
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Posted: 12/13/2009 12:40:47 PM
God forbid I would make a sweeping statement about ALL WOMEN ... or even MOST WOMEN ... BUT ...

I ... personally ... am and always have been a relatively nurturing person ... I believe this has NOTHING to do with the chemical balances in my physical body ... but it has MORE to do with my personal CHOICES ...

I chose to be a nurturning person ... I enjoy being a nurturing person ... in my job and in my home ... I enjoy being nurturing to the people around me, animals, plants, even my truck and other inanimate objects! ... I believe in encouraging all to live up to their potentials ... to fulfill their destinies ... I also believe the world would be a better place if we ALL chose to be more nurturing ...

if I had a bumper sticker it would be: "mean people erode the foundations of world peace" ... or something to that effect ... "mean people suck" ... whatever ...

so often, people are MEAN to each other for no particular reason but just because they can ... I believe it has very little to do with the chemical balances in their bodies ...

but then ... I'm not a trained professional in that field ... endocrinology ... no degree ...

it would be horrible if all the people perpetrating crimes of violence were not really to blame for their choices ... but were themselves victims of the chemical balances in their bodies ...

I somehow still think ... it's still choices ...
 kari135
Joined: 9/1/2009
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Posted: 12/14/2009 3:34:59 PM

ROFLMAO! I've gone thru premature menopause, a hysterectomy AND am on an HRT which includes testosterone, and I'm FAR less aggressive than I was in my youth. I know... scarey thought, ain't it?

I never thought of myself as aggressive, but I guess I've gotten a lot more.. umm... shall we say assertive as I've gotten older. But I'll also say I never ever had PMS until after I had a hysterectomy, then all those years' worth hit at once. There were days I would have happily killed the first SOB who said 'good morning' to me, and my boss at the time encouraged me to take as many mental health days as I wanted. When I started chewing his butt for that remark, he said it wasn't for ME, it was for the rest of them - they needed a break from me! He was a real sweetie though, he even learned how to make excellent coffee and he'd have a mug waiting when I walked in the door.
 moraima
Joined: 6/26/2005
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Posted: 12/15/2009 12:29:23 PM
"it's a turn-off for most men. "

Comply or we won't like you!...............best tell those who care

Sounds like a test to see how compliant the women will be to his demands.
 kari135
Joined: 9/1/2009
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Posted: 12/15/2009 7:32:46 PM

Aggressive, assertive, outspoken, or crabby, call it whatever sounds more politically correct, but when it comes to it, it's a turn-off for most men

I'm not crabby - in fact my son says I have a Pollyanna complex, I'm not pushy, I rarely speak out unless someone asks for my opinion, and it worked just fine for my husband. Now, he was aggressive and outspoken, but he'd also give the shirt off his back to any friend who needed it, and that - among other things - worked just fine for me.

I'm not that interested in most men, not beyond friendship, anyway. And I'm sure as hell not worried about being politically correct at my age! What I am interested in is the one man out there somewhere who will be able to appreciate and savor what I have to offer him.
 moraima
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Posted: 12/17/2009 3:23:23 PM
H*ll, I have worked animal rescue for decades, and anyone who know this child free person would know full well that I am no mother................a nurse, canine, feline therapist, rehaber certainly..............mother never.
 kari135
Joined: 9/1/2009
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Posted: 12/17/2009 3:52:01 PM

H*ll, I have worked animal rescue for decades, and anyone who know this child free person would know full well that I am no mother................a nurse, canine, feline therapist, rehaber certainly..............mother never


I have to agree with this. I mothered my children while they needed it, but I've also been a private rescue for about 40 years, mostly dogs. I've taken them in, made sure they got fed, taught them house manners, taught them to trust again - but first and foremost, I taught them that I was the Queen B*tch, the One Who Must be Obeyed. No mothering there in any way, shape, or form. Lots of patience, tolerance, and compassion, but no mothering.
 moraima
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Posted: 12/17/2009 4:11:11 PM
"Queen B*tch"

CAnines need to know who alpha is, if it is an alpha b*tch it makes no difference.

I am an Alpha B*tch. I was married to an Alpha male............worked great. Alpha pairs get along well..................Mothing..............no way. Last thing I would tolorate in my life is some adult who needs to be mothered. No way I enable.

ps. I don't do little dogs either. If I can break them easily, not the breed for me....... I like breeds that can handle themselves (with training).
 Brizo
Joined: 2/19/2006
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Posted: 12/17/2009 6:28:15 PM

Aggressive, assertive, outspoken, or crabby, call it whatever sounds more politically correct, but when it comes to it, it's a turn-off for most men.


and we're supposed to give a shyt? Anyone who expects me to be some all forgiving earth mother is sadly, sadly mistaken. Are you looking for a real person or a stereotype?
 Ron429
Joined: 2/26/2009
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Posted: 12/19/2009 7:57:32 AM
One significant thing I've noticed and experienced dating older women, and I'm saying usually 50 and above. They all seem to lose any interest in sex and/or experiencing sex in all ways. They like to go out have dinner, shows, etc. etc. and like male companionship, but most seem to have zero libido and/or interest in anything sexual. Hey have you other guys experienced this with older women? I know that there are hormonal changes that occur but they also don't seem to understand nor appreciate a male's needs and wants. It has escaped them in later life it seem.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 92
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Posted: 12/19/2009 11:11:41 AM

One significant thing I've noticed and experienced dating older women, and I'm saying usually 50 and above. They all seem to lose any interest in sex and/or experiencing sex in all ways. They like to go out have dinner, shows, etc. etc. and like male companionship, but most seem to have zero libido and/or interest in anything sexual. Hey have you other guys experienced this with older women? I know that there are hormonal changes that occur but they also don't seem to understand nor appreciate a male's needs and wants. It has escaped them in later life it seem.

Sorry for your bad run of luck. That's all it is. Although some women have problems, just like some men do, after 50, it isn't the norm. In fact, the majority of women I know in my age group are quite the opposite of what you depict and would give any 2o something male a run for their money in the libido department (not saying we want 20 year old boys...just talking libido here).
 DivineBovine
Joined: 5/13/2005
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Posted: 12/22/2009 3:51:45 AM

women are instinctively born with more human development skills than a PhD Behaviorist, so they should be able to control at any age


where's your proof for this one?

your profile says you are a "business owner" with a bachelor's degree. do you think that posting like you're some kind of academic with a slew of post-graduate degrees makes you look more attractive?
 *mae* flowers
Joined: 1/15/2006
Msg: 102
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Posted: 12/22/2009 9:51:24 AM
Sometimes I wonder, especially the case that POF is supposed to be a dating/relationship site, why so much degradation of the opposite sex takes place. On the one hand we say, "We're interested in LTRs or whatever." On the other hand, we say, "Men/Women are "two bricks short of a truckload," insensitive, selfish, eogistic, Viagra-challenged, yada yada yada.

...But you gotta admit, it makes for some great entertainment.



They all seem to lose any interest in sex and/or experiencing sex in all ways. They like to go out have dinner, shows, etc. etc. and like male companionship, but most seem to have zero libido and/or interest in anything sexual.


..WHAT!!!! Zero libido, ya mean that's gonna happen? Do I have "nothing" to look forward to?



...maeflowers
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
Msg: 105
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Posted: 12/22/2009 11:03:45 AM
I'm afraid that a lot of fellas who think women have no interest in anything sexual have been trying the pair up with women who have no interest in anything sexual *with them.* Either I know an extra lot of horny old broads somehow by accident, or there are some men who globalize too much. . . .

 ladyc4
Joined: 2/14/2006
Msg: 113
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Posted: 12/22/2009 1:48:45 PM
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not ONLY "which psychologists?" ... but ALSO ... WHY would "psychologists" talk about women's "testestorone" levels anyway? psychologists are NOT M.D.s ... psychologists don't receive training in chemical balances or inbalances in the body ... they don't prescribe medications to treat something that would cause a woman to "become more aggressive" ...

now, if he'd said "psychiatrist" ... a psychiatrist is an M.D. with clinical training and a DEA certificate ... but ... then, again .... naaawww ... I STILL would have said, "which one? ... specifically, WHICH psychiatrist said that?!"

people who make vague sweeping comments like that are just so amusing ... if they had any truth behind their comments, they would have cited them ... listed authors, degrees, journals published ...

I've read this post and all I can do is laugh, shake my head and wonder why anyone would post something that inflammatory and vague ... and ... obviously ... it was to get attention ... which he HAS! so congratulations ... we've all noticed you ...


would it be TOO assertive to ask you to cite YOUR sources, that support this alleged increase in testosterone in older women? It would seem your statements hae been challenged...and indeed, I myself would like to know why psychologists are telling us stuff that psychologists wouldn't know that much about(endocrine system/hormones)
I can perhaps see where just about any medical/healthcare professional that has any experience at all dealing with menopausal/post menopausal women might venture to speculate that hormonal changes are very significant in this process, but as for "psychologists telling us"...again. please cite your sources. Apparently the information you are drawing on is somewhat controversial. If there is such an increase of testosterone, wouldn't there be other "symptoms" as well? Deeper voice? Facial hair?

Nowhere in the posts, can I see whether their affection spills also to men in their age group.
Well which is it that you want? Affection or "mothering?"
Are you a spoiled 5 yr old boy in a mature man's body?
Sounds to me like somebody's just not doing well in the dating/romance processes, and rather than take a long honest look at the whole picture, and realize that for quite a few older PEOPLE, it just isn't that easy to date and form new relationships. If you are plain or average in looks, modest to middling in income, etc,it doesn't much matter how nice you are or how good of a person...worthwhile potential dates aren't going to be mobbing you. Not saying that finding dates/romance is unlikely or impossible...just not real easy. Now, you can sit down, pout and try to jab at the opposite gender,blaming THEM because you are not a standout in the dating pool, or you can try to be constructive , be the best YOU that you can be, and ACCEPT that you may not be overrun by people anxious to date you.
WAKE UP. You aren't 25 any more. The dating pool is smaller. Blaming your lack of dating sucess on some vague generalities about hormonal changes isn't going to fix anything.
Cindy O
 kari135
Joined: 9/1/2009
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Posted: 12/22/2009 2:09:22 PM

These changes do manifest themselves in aging women I know.

It's not the increase in testosterone so much as the decrease of estrogen.
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