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 barbee1970
Joined: 12/29/2008
Msg: 10
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I feel like that now cause it is so desecrated and commercialized. These stupid, mushy commercials, I HATE shopping and even the carols are bastrdized. Ever here that one from Illinois lottery? "joy to that guy who cleaned your carpet". NO!! Joy to the world, the LORD has come, let earth receive her KING and let's keep it that way!! Jesus is the reason for the season.
 barbee1970
Joined: 12/29/2008
Msg: 11
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Posted: 12/12/2009 12:25:35 PM
I agree with Passionate Gent on this one--another reason I don't enjoy the holidays. It's the "all about me me me me" season for most people. They want expensive gives and for everyone they know to shower them with such gifts.

It rattles me that people who make twice as much as me expect pricey gifts. I won't do it.
 TheReason_
Joined: 5/16/2009
Msg: 12
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Posted: 12/12/2009 12:29:29 PM
I don't care for Christmas, and it's because of this.

Christmas is a pain in the ass for me. Anything I want, I buy. If a new movie or CD comes out, and I want it, I buy it. Clothes, whatever, I just go and buy it. So there is nothing that I want or need. It makes me impossible to buy for.

I hate wrapping Christmas presents, yet, ironically, I am exceptional at wrapping gifts. I can wrap anything no matter what the shape.

I'm not real crazy about Christmas shopping, my sister usually gets everything for me, tells me what her kids want, tells me what my parents want, and I just give her the cash when she's got everything all together. I do buy her gift.

It's a day I have to get up early on. I normally do get up early (3:30am on gym days, 5:30 on a normal work day) so it would be nice to sleep in once in a while.


I find it sad that religion is the single most cause of human suffering in the history of mankind. The middle east, or "the holy land" is still the most violent place on earth. Everything from the crusades, to WWII to 9/11 is because of religion, and it's tolerance.
The equivalent of lakes and oceans could be filled with the blood of people killed in the name of God, and you want to celebrate his birth?

That's kinda messed up, if you ask me, but hey if you are wondering, I could really use a Sham-Wow.

:facepalm:
 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
Msg: 13
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Posted: 12/12/2009 1:24:33 PM

geeleebee....you sure told me didn't you?


Actually, I just asked some questions that I thought were pertinent.

If you feel 'told off', then I guess I'd ask myself one more question, and that would be 'why'--and THEN I'd backtrack to the place where I felt 'told off' and examine what my feelings are about where that came from.
In other words--own your feelings.

If you don't want to celebrate or bake or put up a tree--that's all good.
If you don't want the opinions of others, then perhaps just using your 'phone-a-friend' option would better serve your purposes than posting on a public forum.

Merry and Namaste and Happy!
 whothehellknows
Joined: 7/23/2006
Msg: 14
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Posted: 12/12/2009 1:37:52 PM
Well I don't feel like a scrooge, but I don't get into the holidays either. If people want to really get into it and go all out, that is their business and not mine. Spending time with family and showing appreciation for those in your life are great things, but it should not take a holiday to make you do so.

And while I am not religious, those who put the religious spin on it while teaching their kids about Santa Claus and a bunch of flying reindeer are sending mixed messages. I've yet to see a line of kids at the mall waiting to sit on the lap of Jesus and ask for salvation, it's all about a creepy guy in a pimp suit that promises kids presents if they are good.

Then you get those whom have shopping addictions, but justify it because it's christmas. We don't excuse bad behavior for alcoholics on game day, but yet we encourage that kind of behavior on Christmas. And really, if your kid needs a X-box 360 to be love you, you have much bigger problems.

Okay, maybe I am a scrooge.
 new fisherman
Joined: 12/5/2009
Msg: 15
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Posted: 12/12/2009 6:19:11 PM
i have never watched her show
just seen her on the late night comedy shows
she seems like a control queen

i have never watched oprahs show
 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
Msg: 16
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Posted: 12/12/2009 6:43:16 PM

I am going to have to locate some Christmas spirit as they get older and more excited about this all of this.

No, you don't.

Just start your own traditions with the grands--it's a quiet time of year for you--share that with them. Low-key all the way--then they'll grow up knowing that this grandma is the one who has a laid-back Christmas.
Begin what you know you can do with real joy at spending time with them--it doesn't have to be much, but it should be sincere.

Merry, Namaste, Happy!
 barbee1970
Joined: 12/29/2008
Msg: 17
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Posted: 12/13/2009 1:07:07 AM
I did feel like a kid at Christmas the other day. The post office sold be these gold baby Jesus stamps. I want to go get more!

Earlier in the week my co-workers were saying the Obamas disposed of the Christmas decorations at the White House cause "someone may get offended". If this is true, he offended the majority of us who are Christians.

They also said he was pushing Eid stamps. This is not a Muslim holiday so they shouldn't hijack it. It's our Christian holiday.
 nipoleon
Joined: 12/27/2005
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Posted: 12/13/2009 2:26:01 AM
One of the reasons Martha Stewart exists, it to make all the working women feel guilty about not being like their mothers.

A long time ago, my parents got divorced and my mother had to go out and find a job to help support herself. She had been a housewife for 30+ years. After a while she lamented to me about how messy the house was. But, she said she didn't feel like cleaning house after getting home from work every day.
" Welcome to the working world mom. " I said, " Why do you think dad didn't feel like cleaning house after coming home from work either ?" " You need a wife, like he had ".

What we consider the traditional family was actually a very brief time in American history, from the end of WWII to about the middle 70's.
Since then, women have won the right to work.

Unfortunately, women don't have the right to work. Women must work.
How many families in this country actually live on only 1 paycheck ? How many families actually live the " Leave it to Beaver " lifestyle.
Can you imagine how much money Ward Cleaver would have to make today to support himself, a wife and 2 kids, and a big house in the suburbs, $100,000 per year ?
Very few people do that today. Few men make that much money.

In order to have the lifestyle we Americans consider traditional, almost all women must work, on top of all the other duties of keeping up a family.
June Cleaver died a miserable death a long time ago.

But of course, we are all made to feel guilty about it. We all lament the golden days of our youth, and the " Traditional Christmas's " of the past.
Martha Stewart gets on TV, and shows all the women of the world how inadequate they are. Martha Stewart also has a big staff of people thinking up cute knick knacks which can be put together with barbed wire and a glue gun.
Martha doesn't have to hold down a full time job, then come home and assemble that crap.

So just let Martha go to hell.
Put a tree up in the corner, buy a present for everyone, and don't spend too much money.
You might read Charles****ns' , " A Christmas Story " to your little family and notice that your lifestyle isn't so much different from Bob Cratchet's family .
 Free-At-Last
Joined: 7/15/2009
Msg: 19
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Posted: 12/13/2009 3:06:17 AM
^^^ ^^^^^
Thank you for the reality check. I feel better already.
I also watched It's A Wonderful Life last night. (With the state of the American economy...this movie must really touch home for alot of families right now).
Yup...screw you Martha Stewart....I'm not buying into your facade anymore.
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 junipermoon
Joined: 3/1/2006
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Posted: 12/13/2009 11:31:07 AM
i lost the enchantment with christmas at around age 11. i despise the stress, expense, work and travel ~ at the worst time of the year.

and someone just gave me a martha stewart baking handbook. the glossy cover has a photo of stewart. i blacked out her front teeth.
 cabanaboy65
Joined: 8/30/2009
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Posted: 12/13/2009 8:46:17 PM
Did Martha decorate her jail cell? Everthing not the same as you were when you were a kid. I hope you all on the thread have a good Christmas. Please don't fight and aurgue with friends and family and turn Christmas into a B****mas
Merry Christmas POF
 ItsMargo
Joined: 4/24/2007
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Posted: 12/13/2009 9:59:27 PM
I love Christmas. My job is flexible for most of the year but is extraordinarily busy with huge deadlines in December. A few years ago... stressed and stretched as a single mum in the midst of my impossibly busy time of year... I asked my teenaged daughter if she didn't mind this year, if we didn't get a Christmas tree. (We were spending Christmas with family, so it's not like we'd even be home on 'the day' or even a few after it). Bless her and her understanding ways; she said "No problem mum" and even sounded 100% ok with it.

When I went to bed that night, I thought about it. And thought I'm a pretty crummy person if I am too gosh darned busy to make a Christmas for my kid. So the next day I stopped her and said "I'm having second thoughts about this Christmas tree thing. I think we should get one after all". Oh my, she lit right up! Good catch on that one, whew!

So, after school she went round to the local garden centre and picked out the most amazing tree. I joined her after work, paid for it and, together, we lugged this massive tree home though the city streets. Oh my, it was magical! Dusk with big fluffy snow flakes and we sang Christmas carols and shouted out Merry Christmas to people in cars while they all waved and smiled at us. Suddenly it felt like Christmas. It's a lovely memory.

We got home and set it up and left it to fall out for the night. Oh my, it truly was the most gorgeous, perfect Christmas tree I have ever had. Way, way too big for our tiny house, but it was magnificent and glorious! The next night, she had hockey, and the night after that there was something else, and the night after that something else, likely hockey, again. We never did get a free evening to decorate that tree. I think she hung one ball on it, lol. But my, it was splendid.

On Christmas morning, I opened a card from her that had a picture of a mother and daughter decorating a christmas tree together. In it she wrote something mushy and then suitably sarcastic "Maybe next year Mum!" LOL

The naked tree, the year we almost didn't but did anyway, is a wonderful shared memory.

This year is the first year my sweetie is living with us at Christmas. Once again, I have my back against the wall, finishing work on a mad deadline before I can even begin to think about Christmas. He's been doing a bit each day, in the process, saving Christmas and magically transforming the house. It's so cool. Everyday something new appears and we're getting bit by the christmas bug in a way you don't seem to when there aren't any decorations. We have lights on the outside of the house this year for the first time in I don't know how many years! woo-hoo!

The three of us went round to the garden centre and picked out a wonderful tree, last week I think. It's the right size for the room and perfect shape. In a new tradition, the two of them lugged it home at dusk through the streets of the city while we sang christmas carols off key. Well, at least I was off key, but they graciously didn't complain. We set it up in the living room and let it fall out over night.

The next night, my daughter put the lights in, saying he'd done so much she wanted to surprise my sweetie when he got home from work. And when he got home, the two of them went at it, dragging out his decorations and ours and mixing and matching them together. Clashing a titch at times with differing design ideas, and maybe, I'm imagining, a bit of awkwardness at times with each bringing the way they had always done something and somehow creating a new, merged way of doing it. But both wanting to make it work for each other. I sat in the other room with my nose pressed to the grindstone and, listening to the two of them giggling and bickering good naturedly, I gotta tell ya, I felt the warm glow of the Christmas spirit filling me. And relief. And gratitude.

It's continuing. Today when we came back from hockey (it's always hockey) my sweetie had a surprise for her - he'd set up his artificial tree in the basement "kid territory" and decorated it with the surplus stuff they hadn't been able to work into the 'main event' tree. And tonight, when he called us to dinner, he'd splashed out the kitchen in Christmas cheer.

I feel so relieved. I love Christmas and he's making it happen. I don't think he is viewing it as a chore, or resenting how much work is involved, or even how much of it he is doing on his own. He did it himself when he lived alone. No, I think he is imbued with the Christmas spirit and is enjoying making it magical for us. He is a gift to me.

I know my sweetie will trip across this eventually, perhaps even moments after I post it, so I want to say: Thank you for bringing Christmas to life in all of its glory. Thank you for being love. Gosh, I love you.
 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
Msg: 23
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Posted: 12/13/2009 10:06:00 PM

The next night, my daughter put the lights in, saying he'd done so much she wanted to surprise my sweetie when he got home from work. And when he got home, the two of them went at it, dragging out his decorations and ours and mixing and matching them together. Clashing a titch at times with differing design ideas, and maybe, I'm imagining, a bit of awkwardness at times with each bringing the way they had always done something and somehow creating a new, merged way of doing it. But both wanting to make it work for each other. I sat in the other room with my nose pressed to the grindstone and, listening to the two of them giggling and bickering good naturedly, I gotta tell ya, I felt the warm glow of the Christmas spirit filling me. And relief. And gratitude...


Yeaaahhh...now, THAT'S Christmas!
I loved reading this--thank you!
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
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Posted: 12/13/2009 10:47:25 PM
Martha Stewart does some fancy stuff for women & men who want to make elaborate fancy things in their homes....never, anywhere have I seen where Ms. Stewart expects or forces anyone to try to copy her or to feel lousy about themselves if they don't. If you don't like her stuff, don't buy her books or watch her shows. Me, I like to look at the pretty stuff, but I rarely feel the need to try it.
 ~Azul Ojos~
Joined: 7/2/2008
Msg: 25
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Posted: 12/14/2009 4:18:52 AM
ItsMargo: Great post... Made me have a lump in my throat and tears in my eyes...

Christmas was always magical for me when I was young and I made it magical for my kids. Hopefully, our Christmas Eve get together will feel just as magical as ever... even though they are now both married, and have other family commitments.

Best Wishes on the warm and tender feelings you are sharing this year with your SO and daughter.
 cookie22222
Joined: 8/4/2007
Msg: 26
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Posted: 12/14/2009 8:09:32 AM
I love Christmas...I remember what it felt like as a child, what it was like when my boys were kids...I love the baking, the decorations, and yes, I'm parked in front of the TV watching the Grinch (anyone here remember that his too small heart GROWS at the end???), Charlie Brown, Rudolph...

We had our extended family gathering this past weekend - must have been 50 of us, laughing and talking, people I won't see for a while...

Christmas Eve is my immediate family, at my brother's, looking forward to that. There are (for the most part) no gifts...it isn't about that at all.

Christmas Day - well, I am truly blessed - part of my job is the annual drive for the holidays at work (county child welfare office). Christmas morning the celebrations are done for me - but I don't get that let down feeling. Instead I wake up, and I think of the hundreds of kids all over this county, opening a present...joy comes in all kinds of forms doesn't it? Perhaps the best kind comes from giving of yourself.

Merry Christmas!!!!!
 xlr8ingmargo
Joined: 7/28/2009
Msg: 27
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Posted: 12/14/2009 9:20:30 AM
OK I can't resist this one:
I LOVE Christmas cause I get to HO HO HO!
Just me...
 junipermoon
Joined: 3/1/2006
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Posted: 12/14/2009 5:59:58 PM

would you believe she keeps her black fresian horses in inside during the day so they don't get bleached by the sun?


yet another reason to hate her. i believe in lots of turnout, with run-ins. those poor friesans! why doesn't she just put covers on them?
 EvilLolli
Joined: 12/7/2008
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Posted: 12/14/2009 8:53:43 PM
^^Can you imagine the covers, the care instructions, the proper placement of said covers, and the "crafty" add-ons she would put on them? Not to mention what her other stable habits must be like-LOL Sunscreen would prevent the fade as well.

Not everyone has rosy memories of xmas. It probably depends on what you grew up w/ and what you have in your life now.

The last year I bothered to decorate it was using the wrapped gifts stacked into individual trees for people. When they left, it was one less decoration to deal w/. Of course that was also the last year before my friends started dropping off into the "serious adult" realm and decided to stop participating in "fun" and chased the Martha-esque xmas thing. Who has time for a decadent dessert and PJ xmas eve party when you have to make the "perfect" xmas dinner? I would much rather have wacky PJ/slipper pagents for cheescakes and butt-flap footie pajamas than a massive xmas tree and big dinner. Then again a night of goofy fun and good food w/ friends meant more than any packaged gift or over-done decorations to me.

Like all traditions, it depends on what you grow up w/ & what you make it. Than again you can have fun and good times w/ friends, you just have to make it happen, not wait for one day of the year.
 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
Msg: 30
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Posted: 12/14/2009 9:05:40 PM
Poor Martha...here's a bit about those horses some are so worried about:

To keep their coats shiny and black, Martha rarely lets them out during the height of sunny days, since sunlight can turn their coats a reddish hue. Early mornings and evenings are the times you'll most likely see the horses outside.

Have you seen the stables where they live?
It comes equipped with a kitchen...

Like it or don't, Christmas comes but once a year, and it totally is whatever you make it.
 EvilLolli
Joined: 12/7/2008
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Posted: 12/14/2009 10:20:14 PM
geeleebee-horses are meant to roam and have freedom. Martha has the staff to treat her horses as well as Kobe beef(I bet most of you aren't massaged 2x a day, w/ a beer and a noise pollution law to protect you from psychological damage) is treated. If the coat condition and color are so important, there are ways to protect it while ensuring a quality of life that keeps the animals naturally happy/sane. The majority of horses (sceintifically proven) that are kept confined develop psychological issues. That is the issue us "horse lovers" have w/ the limited turn out. You may do better if the term "gilded cage" was applied to the situation. But I digress from the OT.

Xmas may be what you make it, but there are some people that chose to live an xmas-like existance year round, not wait for society's permission to be kind, give gifts of time/self/money but once a year. Again it depends on what you were raised w/ and what you make of the holiday.

And then there are those that have strived to provide what xmas is supposed to be to their loved ones, and do not receive the basic respect of appreciation for their efforts from those they try to make happy in return. Life changes, and some have to cope w/ how those changes can cause dis-illusion.
 ItsMargo
Joined: 4/24/2007
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Posted: 12/14/2009 10:27:01 PM

geeleebee-horses are meant to roam and have freedom. Martha has the staff to treat her horses as well as Kobe beef(I bet most of you aren't massaged 2x a day, w/ a beer and a noise pollution law to protect you from psychological damage) is treated. If the coat condition and color are so important, there are ways to protect it while ensuring a quality of life that keeps the animals naturally happy/sane. The majority of horses (sceintifically proven) that are kept confined develop psychological issues. That is the issue us "horse lovers" have w/ the limited turn out. You may do better if the term "gilded cage" was applied to the situation. But I digress from the OT.

Nah, I think you're stretching it to hate on Martha. Turn out in the morning and night and brought in during the heat of the day sounds hardly sounds like psychologically damaging confinement.
 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
Msg: 33
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Posted: 12/15/2009 6:17:36 AM

geeleebee-horses are meant to roam and have freedom.

Yes, you did digress from the OT. As shall I, for a moment.

I grew up on a farm--complete with cows, pigs, chickens, the occasional lamb--and horses.
Horses are domesticated animals, and in the case of those that live with Martha, very well-cared for domesticated animals.
Our veterans should have such 'quality of life' that those horses enjoy.
They are not 'confined' in small pens. Check out their stables.

Hey--it's Christmas--take the sympathy you have for those pampered horses and turn it into a 'feel good' experience for your local animal shelter--donate money, volunteer so the workers can have Christmas Day off, spend the day petting and grooming--Martha Stewart's horses don't need it, but there are many critters that do.

See?
Take all that animus and turn it into a good work.
Merry Christmas!
 packagedealx3
Joined: 2/4/2006
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Posted: 12/15/2009 9:31:13 AM
I'm not a Scrooge, but like Margo, I just don't seem to have the time and energy. I have not been able to have a tree up for several years. I have a 110 lb dog and there is no place I can put a tree in our house that she would not potentially destroy it with her tail. I have also had people put all of my Christmas decorations up on the rafters of the garage, the huge containers big enough to fit a tree in. The tops weren't put on right and I don't even want to see if the roof rats we fight constantly because of the sewer main in the back yard have gotten into them. I am scared to look at the ridiculous amount of xmas decorations in my garage that may be damaged. Yeah, I know, hard to believe I am a grown-up.

Christmas has kind of gone to hell and a handbasket since. I don't seem to find the time to do the baking. For years, I sent out 100+ cards every year with our little letter and pictures of the kids, something I haven't managed to do since we split since half the cards would go to his family and he didn't want anyone knowing what was going on with us.

Like Margo, I work with college kids so my schedule is totally retarded until like yesterday.

But yannow, I think Christmas is like everything else, it is what you make of it. We decided a couple of years ago that the presents from me weren't going to be mental. The kids would get a few gifts from me, their father usually gives them money, they get things from their aunts and uncles and my mother. But we felt like we would be doing a better job of the spirit of Christmas if I didn't spend as much on them so that we could afford to really do right by the kid(s) we get off the angel tree at church, kids that would have NO Christmas without our help.

We started a new tradition a couple of years ago without realizing we were doing it. We watch It's a Wonder Life together on Thanksgiving. That movie always makes me remember to think about what is important, not what you have, or what you do. Christmas is for spending time with people. The decorations are great, I love Christmas Carols, but if you really have the spirit of Christmas, it doesn't matter what you are doing but whom you are doing it with.
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