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 want to travel
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She is guilty as sin,there was ,is more than enough evidence to convict her in any court, anywhere
lol
if she was in texas, or florida, she would be meeting her maker
 Kevjohns
Joined: 8/9/2011
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Posted: 10/4/2011 10:14:57 AM

if she was in texas, or florida, she would be meeting her maker


You mean like Casey Anthony?

Truth is, she likely never would have been prosecuted in the US to begin with based on the standards required for DNA analysis.
 want to travel
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Posted: 10/4/2011 10:51:49 AM
Oh come on, there where 10 ,000 pages of evidence put forward by the prosecution
there was a lot of DNA evidence against her,even on the murder weapon!!
in addition to that, she was found guilty of purgerring herself to the court
she is also being charged with slander
Italy has a great judicial system, much more up to date then those found in canada, and the United States
she is no saint, she loved sex (kinki),drugs and even murder
she has had more then a fair trial
 Kevjohns
Joined: 8/9/2011
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Posted: 10/4/2011 11:01:12 AM

she is no saint, she loved sex (kinki),drugs and even murder


sometimes I wonder if this place is the twilight zone


she has had more then a fair trial


Then what is your beef with the verdict. You make absolutely NO SENSE.

You know, this is a DATING BOARD. Why am I mentioning that, because most people here are looking to impress the opposite sex enough to want to date them, impress them with their looks, or their humor or their intellect. You may want to consider that Travel when you say things that are so patently ridiculous that you simply are not making yourself look very good.
 want to travel
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Posted: 10/4/2011 11:25:24 AM
Well, she is a free woman,my point was Italy is a modern developed country, and yes I believe it to have a much more up to date justice system, then we do in north america
a justice system, that is Not influenced by the media,public opinion ,but rather one that is based on the facts
in this case, I was wrong,But, I fail to see what is patently ridiculous in saying she had a more than fair trial, she did
and she was found not guilty
 viper1j
Joined: 11/30/2005
Msg: 67
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Posted: 10/4/2011 1:48:42 PM

And its Americans type of thinking that scared me as an Italian and people around the world.
Boycott Italy, Invade them if need be, A lovely white girl cant stay locked up in that "third world " country... git farked !
Hell even Donald Trump weighed in with a boycott message.
One of your oldest Allies remamber Italy is, remember. And no its not socialist.


Explain II Duce please..
 Kevjohns
Joined: 8/9/2011
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Posted: 10/4/2011 1:53:51 PM
So you simply assume the Judge and jury succumbed to media pressure? Tell me, what WAS the media pressure in Italy? Was it for or against acquittal and cite your sources.

Your own post cites a study which supports the acquittal, which was the lack of any evidence or credible DNA evidence. Did you bother reading what you posted?
 RubyWaxxx
Joined: 10/23/2010
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Posted: 10/4/2011 2:25:30 PM
^^It's all irrelevant now.
The prosecutors could not prove beyond reasonable doubt - as it should be.
 totalazzhole
Joined: 3/27/2011
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Posted: 10/4/2011 3:54:09 PM
It appears that opinion on this case is based less on facts and more on emotions.

those envious that she is young & fairly pretty are sure she must be guilty as do those who have a hate-on for Americans in general..also apparently most UK residents believe she must be guilty since one of their 'native daughters' was killed and SOMEBODY has to pay..even if it is the wrong person..

oh yes also the moral prudes are shocked that she liked kinky sex, therefore 'must have' been up for murder as well?

W...T..F..????

also most Americans believe she must be innocent, because well, she's American.

seems a clear case of "don't bother me with the facts, I've already made up my mind"
 totalazzhole
Joined: 3/27/2011
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Posted: 10/4/2011 4:26:07 PM
^^ reminds me a bit of the racial split on guilt/innocence of OJ Simpson

majority of black Americans said "innocent"

majority of white Americans said "guilty"
 Molly Maude
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Posted: 10/4/2011 7:21:26 PM
in MY small part of this world ... racial mix was non-existent ...

the majority of MEN were sure O.J. Simpson was "innocent" and the majority of WOMEN thought he was "guilty" ... in fact, when I was at a huge group of people watching the verdict on live t.v. (instead of working) ... when the verdict was read ... the women invariably started sobbing while the men cheered, slapped each other on the back ... and said words to the effect that "the cheating (filthy words) got what she deserved" ... or something along the lines of "he DID it! he GOT OFF!"

with regard to Amanda Knox ... I still have an open mind ... becauses I don't know ...
 Playing with Madness
Joined: 8/1/2010
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Posted: 10/5/2011 7:55:15 PM
I am happy with this decision. Several things did not add up to me in this case. And as they say you have to be convicted beyond a reasonable doubt that was not the case. Too many holes.

One such example of this would be the following I copy and pasted from CNN


Until recently, the prevailing explanation for “Foxy Knoxy’s” guilt had been a surreal one. A game of rough sex went terribly wrong that evening in 2007, alleged Italian prosecutors. The young American student, her boyfriend and a local immigrant man were behind the perverse ordeal - or so echoed tabloids and reputable papers on both sides of the Atlantic - ending up in Kercher’s bloody death.


I want to know how some local immigrant gets invited to a sexual game. That does not add up. That would be like me inviting a whino or someone I just met off the street to join me and 2 other girls for a round of 'hide the salami'

A more plausible explanation to me is that said immigrant more than likely was either robbing the place or trying to sexually assault someone.

Just one example, we know the DNA was messed up and not handle correctly. Once again, too many holes for an air tight case.

Source for quote along with some other people society has fascinated over in the past.

BTW, Foxy Knoxy has to be the coolest name ever!

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/05/foxy-knoxy-sex-violence-and-media-hysteria/?hpt=hp_c2
 matchlight
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Posted: 10/6/2011 10:01:07 AM
The prosecutors could not prove beyond reasonable doubt - as it should be.

And as they say you have to be convicted beyond a reasonable doubt


Is that the standard in criminal cases under Italian law? I'm surprised.


the majority of MEN were sure O.J. Simpson was "innocent" and the majority of WOMEN thought he was "guilty"


I think your sample was biased. I've never heard even one man say he thought that person was innocent, or that Nicole Brown got what she deserved. I heard Vincent Bugliosi--who had some experience with high-profile murder cases--say he thought the evidence of Simpson's guilt was so overwhelming that he would never have agreed to defend him.

I have no idea about Knox. But I don't have much confidence in the kind of legal system that's used in most of Europe.
 matchlight
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Posted: 10/7/2011 9:03:18 AM

There is no reason to suspect or question the reliability of the legal systems in European countries except ethnocentrism.


I don't question their reliability in the least. They're reliably second-rate.
 daynadaze
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Posted: 10/7/2011 3:18:06 PM
I based my thinking that Knox and O.J. were guilty of murder from the evidence I've been able to read, being a white American played no part. But I don't think even with prejudice involved that a pretty girl is more likely to be found guilty, fact is lots of women get off for being women, many of them because they were pretty. I think the idea that she was being blamed because she was pretty and liked sex is backward.
 totalazzhole
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Posted: 10/8/2011 1:14:17 PM

We have seen major mistakes and problems in the American justice system, so it is hugely hypocritical to suggest that ours is the superior one.


ask Ruben "Hurricane" Carter (and thousands more like him) how much 'respect' they have for 'the US "justice" system"

22 years in prison when he didn't do it..
 totalazzhole
Joined: 3/27/2011
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Posted: 10/18/2011 9:50:32 AM

There is no reason to suspect or question the reliability of the legal systems in European countries except ethnocentrism.


I don't question their reliability in the least. They're reliably second-rate


yes, the US leads in EVERYTHING.. legal system, military, economy...obesity rates among adults in industrialized nations, teenage pregnancy rates (oops those last few not really much to brag about)
 NotGorshkovAgain
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Posted: 10/18/2011 9:16:49 PM
@nicktomlinrhys:


Yes I do read what I quote and I am quoting that DNA can place the woman there but DNA was disregarded and chipped away and chipped away by the Knox PR machine collapsing the case. You said first there was no DNA and then there was DNA bcuz she lived there.
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So glad it suits you now.Not nice having a conviction for murder is it?
The first trial definately did not suit .Well done

DNA evidence is not always the smoking gun it's made out to be, nor is it as 100% as it is shown on tv. The DNA evidence used at the trial was grossly, badly mishandled, was basically useless, and never should have even been admitted into evidence. It is not as simple or straightforward as it's implied on shows like CSI.

If you want a good explanation of the problems with the evidence in this case, read the following article on ArsTechnica, "How weak DNA evidence railroaded—and then rescued—Amanda Knox". You might find it illuminating.

http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/10/how-weak-dna-evidence-railroadedand-then-rescued-amanda-knox.ars
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 1/30/2014 2:19:34 PM
Well knoxy has been found guilty again. What reckon you shermans that she will get extradited?
And if they wont extradite her after being found guilty then why should any nation extradite
one of their citizens to the states?

Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito lost their appeal against convictions for the murder of the British student Meredith Kercher,
a dramatic development in the long-running legal saga which paves the way for a possible extradition tussle between Italy and the United States.
Delivering its ruling at the end of the defendants' four-month-long second appeal, the Florence court of appeal upheld the guilty verdicts for
both the 26-year-old American student and her Italian ex-boyfriend, who have protested their innocence for years
After nearly 12 hours of deliberations, the court sentenced Knox to 28 years and six months in jail, while Sollecito was sentenced to 25 years.
Sollecito is free pending a definitive confirmation of the verdict by Italy's highest court but cannot travel out of the country.
Though it is bound to come as a huge psychological blow for Seattle-based Knox, the verdict is not likely to have any immediate logistical
impact on her as it will only become definitive if confirmed by Italy's top appeals court, and only then would Rome be in a position to request
her extradition
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/30/amanda-knox-raffaele-sollecito-lose-meredith-kercher-murder-appeal
 cotter
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Posted: 1/30/2014 7:05:35 PM
I don't think Knox should go back to Italy until every last possible appeal is over.

With that, I'm not saying I think she is either guilty or innocent. I'm just promoting that she not leave the safety of her home (US) until every last possible appeal has been exhausted.

We're talking about one woman in the whole world. At this time, I'm really not concerned about how any of that would affect extraditions to our shores.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 1/31/2014 12:36:43 AM
Aye I think all the appeal processes should be explored first as 28 years is a long time to be looking at.
Saying that though the murdered lassies family just want to see justice for their dead bairn.
Opinion in the uk I would say is she is guilty. In Scotland we have a third verdict as well as guilty/not guilty and that is not proven.
That means neither the procurator fiscal nor the defence have done enough to convince the court and or jury.
After a not proven verdict the procurator fiscal office and the polis have one year and a day to provide new evidence or else the accused walks. But politicians here in the Scottish parliament want not proven to be scrapped. (we have a different law system in Scotland than the rest of the uk)
Double jeopardy has been scrapped in the uk and you can keep getting put on trial even if you were cleared in the original trial.
Because of the European Court rulings it can take years of appeals to extradite someone. Just look at the hook handed islamic hate preacher abu hamza. It took years before the states managed to get him in their clutches.
But i would imagine the Italian legal system will be mightily pissed off at America as it appears the shermans think they are not up to the job.
I think there will be a spate of tit for tat over this. And of course it was a UK national who was murdered so there is an interest for us as well.
I don't know if yous seen the interview knox gave the guardian newspaper in the run up to the trial? I have added the link below.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/30/amanda-knox-prison-meredith-kercher-murder
 raxarsr
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Posted: 1/31/2014 11:20:03 AM
i honestly dont know enough about the case to determine her guilt or innocence,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,that being said,,,,,,,,,,if italy extridites her......then the us had better pack her into a plane and send her butt to them.... our judicial system has nothing to do with this case..............but.seeing as how we expect every other country to follow our extridation requests....we must follow theirs
 Yule_liquor
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Posted: 1/31/2014 1:55:52 PM
^


but.seeing as how we expect every other country to follow our extridation requests....we must follow theirs


From what I hear, Knox has the right of an appeal (by the Italian supreme court) in this matter
If she fails to get the verdict overturned then a writ of extradition can be filed by the courts.

If and when that comes, then it would be well in the interests of the US to extradite her
The reason is that the US and Italy (as well as many other nations) have iron clad extradition agreements.
Italy has extradited quite a few "criminals" back to the US to stand trial over the years.

All eyes will be on what the US does if the request for extradition is made.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 2/1/2014 4:32:21 AM
What is not to trust about the italian court then? Are european courts not considered
to be real courts?
Twice knox has been found guilty. And although she deserves every right of appeal because
she is facing a long sentence i personally do not think knox has told all she knows.
The ex boyfriend was captured trying to head into austria and although he had a
good reason his passport has been siezed.
Here is just a couple of uk newspapers take on the story. Remember a young lassie got brutally
murdered. She was a uk citizen. The quote from the murdered lassies brother hits the nail
right on the head in my honest opinion.

The victim’s family want Knox to be extradited from the United States, but she insisted: “I will never go willingly back.”
Ms Kercher’s brother Lyle told a news conference in Florence it would be “strange” if Knox was not extradited.
“If somebody is found guilty and convicted of a murder, and if an extradition law exists between those two countries,
then I don’t see why they wouldn’t,” he said.
“I imagine it would set a difficult precedent if a country such as the US didn’t choose to go along with laws that they
themselves uphold when extraditing convicted criminals from other countries.
“It probably leaves them in a strange position not to
http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/amanda-knox-will-never-willingly-return-to-italy-1-3289734

Who says crime doesn’t pay?
It has certainly earned a few quid for Amanda Knox.
After earning $4million for her memoirs, Amanda Knox was back turning one family’s
dreadful tragedy into another TV opportunity this week as she paraded herself on screen
for Good Morning America to discuss her newest conviction.
With discreet make-up, furrowed brow and a brand new grown-up bobbed haircut, she played the role of the distraught victim with aplomb.
“It’s not right and it’s not fair,” she trembled.
But there is only one thing here which isn’t right and not fair – a 21-year-old girl went to Italy and never came home.
And there is only one victim too – and that is poor Meredith Kercher who died terrified and in agony having had her throat cut.
Now Amanda Knox has been found guilty of that terrible crime for a second time. And no efforts at rebranding herself as a
thoughtful demure victim is going to change that. No amount of make-up can hide true guilt.
Amanda is clearly desperate to shed the image of “Foxy Knoxy”, which catapulted her to international attention
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/amanda-knox-pr-cannot-hide-3100590
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 2/2/2014 1:47:05 AM
Lol aye its hands up time. I did dive in there and act like the dafties i cannae stand. As a punishment i will get some bran flakes from the shops and have
them for brekkie and spend the rest of the day sitting miserably on the bog. But i was reading a few other articles yesterday about this case and it does seem we are getting entrenched. The italians are getting hissy with yous shermans because its SEEMS like you shermans are saying their courts are pony.
In the uk we are wondering how knox who has now been found guilty twice and who has made a bucker load of money has changed her story
so often and just made herself very dislikeable is still free. And the quote from the poor victims brother about extradition and how a nation like
america who demand extradition of folk* deemed guilty in their eyes are now reluctant to comply with the italians.
Then reading some of the sherman press yesterday it appears that knox is being portrayed as the victim and is being hounded unfairly. Now the judge says they
have a motive which they will release. But why is knox not serving a sentence for implicating her former boss as the murderer? She has ruined that geezers
life. She treated the court with contempt. I still think she has evidence hidden away. Could be a big decision for john kerry and the obama administration
though. Do they acknowledge the laws and treatys that are signed or do they tell the world to piss off?
I have included a wee bit about the gary mckinnon case when america demanded with threats the extradition of mckinnon because he hacked sensitive computers.
Perhaps the shermans should have been asking him how he managed to get into said sensitive computers. Because if he did then who else has? And if americas
treaty with italy is the same as it was with us its a bit one way. And here is how it was with the uk. More in the link at the end.
How the extradition treaty worked between the uk and america

''They say that while American authorities need to only show “reasonable suspicion,” which entails outlining the crime, punishment and a justifiable reason
for focusing in on a suspect, British authorities have the weight of “probable cause” on their shoulders, where they must provide evidence of guilt in order to
extradite a suspect from the US''
But first the knox case.

Crucially, Judge Nencini said the court had arrived at a motivation for the crime, adding that it would emerge fully when a detailed reasoning for last week's judgment is published in the coming months
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/evidence-of-a-motive-for-the-crime-behind-amanda-knox-verdict-9101707.html

The bar owner who was falsely accused by Amanda Knox of killing Meredith Kercher has criticised the American's decision not to be in an Italian court on
Thursday when the verdict in her retrial is delivered.Patrick Lumumba, who ran a bar in Perugia, the Umbrian university town where Kercher was
murdered in Nov 2007, spent two weeks in prison after Miss Knox falsely accused him of being the murderer.
"If Amanda Knox is innocent as she says, then she should come to the court to hear the sentencing," Mr Lumumba told Ansa, an Italian news agency.
"If she really had nothing to do with it, then she should be in the courtroom to hear the ruling of the judges. But she's running away from it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/10604730/Amanda-Knox-should-be-in-court-for-Meredith-Kercher-murder-retrial-verdict.html

If the courts find her extraditable it would then be up to John Kerry, the US Secretary of State, to ultimately decide whether to surrender her to Italy.
Christopher L Blakesley, a professor of international law at the University of Nevada, said: "For the detention they would have the US Marshals do it,
or possibly a local FBI office.
"Extradition could take a bit of time. It could take a couple of years, or it might be quick. My guess is it would be at least a year.
"The problem with extradition is there is always room for political pressure. By rejecting it they (the US government) would be buying diplomatic troubles
with Italy and all countries with whom we have treaties
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/10611826/Amanda-Knox-could-face-detention-in-tough-US-jail.html

* Gary McKinnon (born 10 February 1966) is a Scottish[1] systems administrator and hacker who was accused in 2002 of perpetrating the "biggest military
computer hack of all time,"[2] although McKinnon himself – who has a diagnosis of Asperger's Syndrome – states that he was merely looking for evidence
of free energy suppression and a cover-up of UFO activity and other technologies potentially useful to the public
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon
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Mr McKinnon's lawyers make their case to the Law Lords. They argue that allowing the extradition would be an "abuse of proceedings", because threats had been made
against him by US authorities - life imprisonment if he did not co-operate and a "lesser" sentence if he did co-operate
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/19959726

. If extradited, McKinnon could find himself facing up to 70 years in a U.S. prison. The process has been blasted by McKinnon’s mother, Janis Sharp,
who’s said her son has “lost almost 10 years of his life and has served a nine-and-a-half year sentence of psychological torture, despite the crown prosecuting
service testifying to the court in 2009 that the US has provided not one shred of evidence of any extraditable offence … because they are not required to
The agreement was negotiated in 2003, when both the U.S. and Britain were intent on cracking down on possible terrorists.
Today, however, most critics of the treaty are quick to point out the discrepancy in the way each extradition process is carried out.
They say that while American authorities need to only show “reasonable suspicion,” which entails outlining the crime, punishment and a justifiable reason
for focusing in on a suspect, British authorities have the weight of “probable cause” on their shoulders, where they must provide evidence of guilt in order to
extradite a suspect from the US. Critics can point to the numbers. Reports show that 130 people had been extradited to the U.S. under the treaty while only
54 people have faced similar extradition to the UK
Read more: Gary McKinnon Trial: U.K. Debates Extradition Law | TIME.com http://world.time.com/2011/12/06/case-of-scottish-hacker-illustrates-divide-
between-u-s-and-u-k-extradition-laws/#ixzz2s9htNVnu
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