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 Montreal_Guy
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Let's look at the reasons why this happened.

Wilson saw that a critical error was being made by the government. He made statements to that effect. That triggered a response from someone that wanted a little payback. That person , or persons, wanted a clear message to be sent.

Mess with us, and we will take you down. If we can't get you, we will get someone you love.

THAT is what this is all about. There was no other reason, and it fits perfectly with this administrations ( and the alleged leaker Rove's) previous history. They have done that time and time again, to anyone or anything that stands in their way.
 LegalWizard
Joined: 5/2/2005
Msg: 52
The exculpatory facts of the Carl Rove/CIA Agent matter
Posted: 7/16/2005 1:24:26 PM
A prior LegalWizard posting on another thread. . .


"Senator John Kerry once slipped up and publicly identified by his real name a CIA Agent referred to publicly as "Mr Smith" but there was no intent to "out" the spy, it was unintentional. Unfortunate, yes, criminal conduct? NO.

Karl Rove likewise did not identify by name the CIA Analyst, whose identity was not classified and referred to her as "Wilsons wife."Unfortunate, yes, criminal conduct? NO."


It is also significant that after a news reporter had identified Plame to Rove as a CIA employee (and not the other way around since it is now known that the media identificed the CIA employee's name to Karl Rove and not vice versa) when a differing news reporter asked Karl Rove if Valerie Plame was with the CIA, according to the grand jury testimony as reported in the mainstream news media, Karl Rove simply replied "something like that" which remark is not an unequivocal confirmation of the status of Wilson's wife as a CIA non-covert Analyst. The reporter still had to use his personal conjecture to arrive at whether or not Valerie Plame was a CIA employee, or not.

After the conversation was over, Karl Rove also reported in writing, the contact he had had with the reporter with a highly placed White House Homeland Security Administrator which is not exactly the kind of conduct one expects from someone if they had a "guilty conscience." and wished to cover his or her tracks while escaping from the scene of any crime. The reason for no guilty conscience is because not only was there no "mens rea" or criminal intent, but also no crime apparently was ever committed in this regard by Karl Rove, as is evidenced by the public pronouncements of the Federal Prosecutors that Karl Rove is NOT a target of the grand jury.

Given also that as an Analyst, and not a covert CIA Officer, agent, or informant, and as admitted by her husband the Ambassador, at the time of the disclosure in the press, Valerie Plame was NOT acting in a covert capacity, and much like a Meter Maid, or Civilian Specialist working for a law enfocement agency is NOT a duly sworn police officer, the federal criminal statute simply does not apply with regard to the criminal sanctions to revelations of noncovert CIA employees and will apply exclusively for "outing" a covert CIA Officer, agent, or informant ONLY.

But neither the facts nor the law will deter the critics from foaming at the mouth why they run hither and yon while screaming: "The sky is falling, the sky is falling" and also "Burn the Witch!" and also "Down with innocent until proven guilty" or perhaps, "The facts and the law have little meaning to liberals and we want Judges who think this way too!"
 Javan2
Joined: 7/9/2005
Msg: 53
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Posted: 7/17/2005 8:00:53 AM
My Goodness- An Electronic TOME !!!! Gee, Beachcomberbenn !!!
 NittanyLion
Joined: 2/19/2005
Msg: 54
The exculpatory facts of the Carl Rove/CIA Agent matter
Posted: 7/17/2005 9:18:33 AM
Being the rational mind that you are, I'm QUITE sure that you said the same thing during the Clinton impeachment, right?
 Montreal_Guy
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The exculpatory facts of the Carl Rove/CIA Agent matter
Posted: 7/17/2005 9:35:25 AM

And have no party platform that makes sense.


As opposed to the Republican one ?

Let's watch the debt rise to the highest level in American history, see basic rights suspended, and see the only solutions being focused on as lacking vision at correcting the base roots of the problems we face today.

Is the American dream turning into the American nightmare ?
 NittanyLion
Joined: 2/19/2005
Msg: 56
The exculpatory facts of the Carl Rove/CIA Agent matter
Posted: 7/17/2005 9:40:38 AM
Is the American dream turning into the American nightmare ?
Yes, but thankfully, you can wake up from nightmares. And we will. We would have in 2004, but we took the equivalent of a tylenol pm right before the war, and hit the snooze button. It's about time for the alarm to go off, again, though.
 LegalWizard
Joined: 5/2/2005
Msg: 57
The exculpatory facts of the Carl Rove/CIA Agent matter
Posted: 7/17/2005 11:41:07 AM
"Let's watch the debt rise to the highest level in American history, see basic rights suspended"


FYI, the prevailing doctrine during a time of war is "millions for defense" and historically, America has suspended the Writ of Habeas Corpus during time of war, as was the case when Abraham Lincoln proclaimed the suspension of the Great Writ during the Civil War. During WWII we rationed items that had strategic value to the war effort and conscripted into involuntary servitude in the armed forces of the United States, male citizens of useful military service age. When US Army private Eddy Slovak was drafted and refused to bear arms in WWII, he was court martialed and shot to death by firing squad, with his sentence being upheld personally by General Eisenhower. So, there is a long justifiable history of "basic rights being suspended" in wartime, as is reasonable and proper. Only during peacetime, individual liberties are paramount; however, once Congress authorizes the use of military force, the "war powers" of a state become the principal object of governance, and rightly so, because war is the principal method nations lose their sovereignty with their populations becoming enslaved.

It appears to me that the armed forces of my country are engaged in de jure open warfare, but that not all of the American domestic population has taken legal cognizence of the fact that by virtue of a Congressional approved Resolution authorizing use of military force, we are no longer at peace. So, until it is safe to "wage peace" once more, at home and abroad, the principal occupation of a nation at war is to focus on the abject defeat of global terrorism by any means possible. The alternative to winning this war to the forces of Islamo-Fascist Jehad is too severe to consider, let alone embrace and adopt.

Will America's Canadian and domestic detractors have any joy in their heart if terrorists detonate nuclear devices, or deploy chemical or biolgical weapons of mass destruction among America's cities?

A wise man once said that he hoped and prayed that the the Holy Spirit be the only force capable of ever driving America to her knees.

What will it take for America's domestic critics to put aside their animus and join with the loyalists, to all work together as one with like mind and heart, until the Islamo-Fascists are defeated sina die?

When the national emergency is over, we can wipe all our loyal brows and then separate once more into our separate camps of political thought, shake hands in appreciation and remembrance for the solidarity we enjoyed while the clear and present danger was upon us, and then with peacetime in hand, we can then agree to disagree with each other as we reap and enjoy the blessings of liberty and the individual pursuit of happiness for ourselves and our posterity.
 BulldogMedic
Joined: 12/31/2004
Msg: 58
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Posted: 7/17/2005 11:43:42 AM
Wow. ^^^
 NittanyLion
Joined: 2/19/2005
Msg: 61
The exculpatory facts of the Carl Rove/CIA Agent matter
Posted: 7/17/2005 1:57:24 PM
'legal'wizard gets things a little twisted in order to make a point. Forgive him.
 Montreal_Guy
Joined: 3/8/2004
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The exculpatory facts of the Carl Rove/CIA Agent matter
Posted: 7/17/2005 2:01:52 PM

A wise man once said that he hoped and prayed that the the Holy Spirit be the only force capable of ever driving America to her knees.


You won't have to worry about that one, btw. Remember, God whispered into Georges's ear that he personally picked HIM, of all Americans, to lead the nation. Like he did before, he did this only after a period of wandering the desert...I mean Texas....for about 40 years.

This would mean it's the second time he has used a burning bush to get his message across.

At least he is consistent....
 NittanyLion
Joined: 2/19/2005
Msg: 63
The exculpatory facts of the Carl Rove/CIA Agent matter
Posted: 7/17/2005 2:05:27 PM
Is that an original?
 NittanyLion
Joined: 2/19/2005
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 NittanyLion
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Msg: 67
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Posted: 7/17/2005 2:43:14 PM
you missed the joke.
 Montreal_Guy
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Posted: 7/17/2005 3:18:17 PM
Is that an original?


Not totally.

It was inspired from a story I heard about Desert Storm. President BUsh had called the Israeli PM, and requested he refrain from any attacks on Iraq after the Scud missle launches.

The PM, during that conversation, said something along the lines of " The last time we followed a burning bush - look what happened ?" ( don't quote me here, it's just how I remembered hearing it.)

Come to think of it, both bushes were fueled by oil then. Hmmmmm......

"So Moses thought, "I will go over and see this strange sight - why the bush does not burn up."

I know exactly how Moses felt now.....
 LegalWizard
Joined: 5/2/2005
Msg: 69
The exculpatory facts of the Carl Rove/CIA Agent matter
Posted: 7/17/2005 8:45:26 PM
When one "debunks" disinformation about the law that is offered by others who do not know or understand the legal matters in question, it becomes Necessary to quote the specific law in verbatim, so that innocent third persons won't rely on the bunk that is put out there by those who twist facts and laws. Here is the specific disinforming remarks to be debunked:

"There have been many administrations that have unconstitutionally suspended or attempted to suspend the writ of habeas corpus. You mentioned one, Abe Lincoln. During this time, Justice Taney of the Supreme Court ordered Lincoln to cease violating the Constitution. Lincoln, however, ignored him, and continued to keep the Constitution in suspension."


Regardless of the opinion of Mr. Justice Taney of the US Supreme Court (it is likely that there will always be a dissenting opinion, just as it is likely that occasionally bad interpretations are corrected by later jurists, such as what occurred when Chief Justice Warren lead the US Supreme Court to vacate Plessy vs Ferguson to once and for all do away with enforced segregation.) However, this time, the dispute in question centers around PLAIN LANGUAGE of the US Constitution relating to the constitutionality of the wartime suspension of the Writ of Habeas Corpus. The following is what the plain language of the US Constitution has to say about this subject:

"The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it. Article I, Section. 9. Clause 2, United States Constitution."


So this is the precise problem that arises when Judges simply refuse to read and understand the plain language of the US Constitution or a Public Law, preferring to insert their own private wishes in lieu of deferring to the legislative intent of the actual governing law.

Accordingly, the line of reasoning asserted by Mr. Justice Taney is not well taken and no one on this POF Forum thread should cling to the notion that the supension of the Writ of Habeas Corpus is unconstitutional when rebellion, invasion, or the public safety shall require such a measure.

Here is another example of disinformation that needs to be debunked:

"Apparently George W. Bush felt this country was already at war with Iraq when he and his administration secretly met with Tony Blair to find an excuse to attack Iraq."


The Commander in Chief of the armed forces is NOT an incompetent authority to determine whether hostilities are imminant or in his sound discretion, whether the probabilty is great that the United States may be suddenly attacked by either a world power or civil criminal cartel and whether a proper military response is likely to be necessary in order to repel attack or to preserve the public safety.

All of the so called dozen or so "missed opportunities" for the FBI or CIA to focus on the available intelligence and give that data a more cogent analysis of the actual risk factors indicates that the United States was in fact under imminent threat of hostile attack by the enemies of the United States. The fact that no war had been declared, as of yet, when Bush and Blair met and conferred is not fatal to the President of the United States taking adequate measures with the military allies of the United States to preserve the common defense against the potential dangers posed by the mutual foes of Great Britain and also the United States. It is particularly important to contemplate that Al Qaida is not a sovereign nation, is not a signatory to nor is afforded the protections of the Geneva Convention and in the alternative is an International Criminal Cartel engaging in drug trafficking, air piracy, murder, kidnapping, felonious restraint, fraud, money laundering, arson and bombing violations, and a host of criminal activites in suport of their terrorist foreign relations and civil beligerance war goals. Accordingly here is the actual US Supreme Court's legal citation showing that it is IMMATERIAL if a state of war has actually been formally declared:

"An actual declaration of war is not necessary; the war may be of a civil nature or against a foreign country." pp 318, Basic Criminal Law, 2nd Ed. Gammage-Hemphill, McGraw Hill Book Company. 1979. See the so-called Prize Cases, 67 US 635 (1862).[quote/]

Hence, the armchair pronouncements of amateurs, while not viable, are wildly misleading and in fact is not well founded with any sort of proper legal foundation.

All that is necessary is for George W. Bush and Tony Blair to have grave concerns about the national security interests of the USA and the UK with respect to the potential for terrorist attacks to imminantly occur and take whatever joint measures as they may agree to is therefor actually legally sanctioned.

Dear POF Forum readers, please DO NOT be stampeded into the "if it sounds like a duck" argument because Constitutional and Public Law is subject to a great many considerations that in fact are understood by those in possession of highly trained legal minds as contrasted to the grasp of the law by laymen who are not learned in the prevailing law and have only a rudimentary grasp on the applicable Constitutional Law, statutory law, and case law, each of which have a direct bearing on the actual state of the legal situation that is at hand.

So now we know for certainty that notwithstanding the "bunk" that was put forth in a prior posting by others, the Writ of Habeas Corpus may constitutionally be suspended during times of rebellion, invasion, or to protect the public safety and that the much ballyhooed criticism concerning the George Bush and Tony Blair consultations prior to the time when after the USA was suddenly and deliberatedly attacked by Al Quaida, when Congress by its Resolution authorized the use of military force in the War on Terror, is so much tinkling cybals and sounding brass lacking in any sort of cogent legal authority.
 Frrosty
Joined: 3/21/2004
Msg: 70
The exculpatory facts of the Carl Rove/CIA Agent matter
Posted: 7/17/2005 10:07:37 PM
Here we are 4500 years later thinking the miracle was the burning bush. So what are we doing?


That's hilarious. (how very true though hu?)


The last time we followed a burning bush - look what happened ?"


I so very hope that this whole situation does not get put, solely, into this context dude.

("and the meek shall inherit the earth")

*gulp*

I wonder what they do with it then hu?

*shrugs*

Maybe they make it better for everyone n such?
 LegalWizard
Joined: 5/2/2005
Msg: 71
The exculpatory facts of the Carl Rove/CIA Agent matter
Posted: 7/18/2005 10:36:11 AM
Well, someone has to take the responsibility to correct misstatements of fact and to clear the record of untrue statements.

As Ronald Reagan used to say, "There you go again!"

It now appears that the advent of the collapse of the Soviet Union has opened the records from the Soviet side, which casts a whole new perspectife on Senator Joseph McCarthy's allegations that federal employees in sensitive policy making positions were on Joseph Stalin's payroll. The thread that now needs to be "debunked" is the following.


"in the name of controlling and silencing the opposition, the Constitution has been violated many times. One example is the era of McCarthyism, . . ."


It is now an ironclad irrefutable fact that Senator Joseph McCarthy was CORRECT about his statements that certain federal employees in sensitive policy making positions were on Joseph Stalin's payroll. Further, one of the aides that traveled with President Truman to thje Potsdam Summit Meeting with Sir Winston Churchill and Joseph Stalin was a paid Soviet Spy. That is why the successful development of the Atom Bomb was a known quotient to the Communists and Stalin already knew about the plutonium bomb that America successfully tested at the Trinity site in New Mexico before we dropped the A-Bombs on Japan. Stalin's paid agents in the American federal goverment and also the Karl Fuchs, David Greenglass, and Ethel and Julius Rosenberg cell of Communist spies were busy ferreting out America's nuclear secrets and providing the intelligence that made a material contribution to the Communists obtaining nuclear armaments.

There is an extensive list of the names and the sums paid by the Stalinist Communists to federal employees who were employed in the White House, the State Department, and other sensistive locations within the official USA bureaucracy.

So, the embarrassing thing now, is that McCarthy was right about the host of communist spies being federal government employees. Where the problems lie was in the "guilt by association" charges that innocent persons who knew the known communists and their frequent associates were placed under a net of suspicion that was cast very wide and included the Hollywood blacklisting abuses.

Regrettably, the public castigation of Senator McCarthy for the blacklisting that others did as a result of the Senator's revelations eclipsed the real problem of federal employees being in Joseph Stalin's pocket, so the public relations smokescreen was ballyhooed about how the abuses (many of which were perpetrated by others than Joseph McCarthy) were all the Senator's personal fault.

So history will have to be far more kind and gentle to Senator Joseph McCarthy, once the facts are widely known that the federal employee communist spy cells were in fact real. And for the record, the federal employees who were communist spies were a greater threat to the American way of life then the "abuses" of the McCarthy era were, because while the "abuses" made leftists unemployable, the over-zealous onus of being a suspected communist was not as dangerous as confirmed communists and their successors in office having their heavy thumb on the nuclear button in the Kremlin today.

It is a shame that the spotlight of the Senator's grandstanding was the basis of the inquiry of communist infiltration into the governmental sector and that n the alternative, the FBI and the Defense Intelligence Agency, Central Intelligence Agency, and the White House, did not pick up the ball and run an effective clandestine counter-spy operation to arrest and prosecute the government employee soviet spies that Joseph Stalin had on his payroll.

Clearly the security of the United States was compromised by the McCarthy era Soviet spies who really did work in sensitive US governmental positions.

Franklin Delano Roosevelt dropped Vice President Barkley from the 1944 Democratic Presidential ticket BECAUSE HE WAS SOFT ON COMMUNISM. FDR selected Harry S Truman as his running mate accordingly. The influence of the communist menace among official governmental circles was that pervasive and extensive to have the effect of toppling a sitting Vice President of the United States.

Although she is HATED by liberals and the "Hate America First" claque, see Ann Coulter's Book for more valid and truthful information about this important issue.

The fallout from the McCarthy era federal employees who were on the communist payroll and who served as atomic weapons spies, or who sustematically funnelled other sensitive military or State Department secret information and intelligence to the Soviets continues to morph into some rather "heavy duty" national security headaches today. For instance, once the Soviet Union collapsed and the Russian government stopped making its payroll to the military, nuclear scientists, and etc. the net effect is that much nuclear material, and maybe including field deployable nuclear weaponry from the fomer Soviet Union, has now vanished and was presumably sold on the black market, by staving Russian military officers or nuclear scientists, perhaps even to radical Islamic states supporting Islamo-Fascist terrorists, and may someday be detonated on American soil.

Senator Joseph McCarthy was most certainly not right in all that he did, but it now appears from the facts and the evidence that Senator Joseph McCarthy was also not entirely wrong at all.

But I am sure that the communists, their "fellow travelers," and also their "useful idiots" will all march in line and spout the party line forever that McCarthy was born evil, he was evil, and he died evil.

However, it was not evil to be an anticommunist in the 1950's and it is not evil to be an anticommunist in today's times. In fact, it is an act of virtue both now and also then, to be a bona fide anticommunist loyal American.

Anticommunist Canadians are also some pretty swell guys and gals too.

While I am not a dyed-in-the-wool McCarthy supporter, I am someone who wants history to reveal the truth, so this thread has now successfully "debunked" the McCarthy scandals as being 1950's era hysteria based upon some accurate information about communist spies who did work for the benefit of their Masters in the Kremlin that really did place America, Nato, and all of the Free World in jeopardy.

This nest of Soviet spies taking Soviet payolo during the McCarthy period were apparently never successfully rounded up or prosecuted, resulting in faulty intelligence regarding the establishment of the Castro communist regime in Cuba by concealing his communist leanings and also the loss of China's mainland to the Red Chinese who were "smokescreened" by being referred to by State Department Specialists as mere "agrarian reformers."

This world would have gotten along very nicely, thank you, without Fidel Castro or Mao Tse Tung achieving political power and enslaving their respective populations.

So, until it is time once more to tell the "debunking" truth on someone's untrue posting, I will now sit back and await the hatred and spleen venting of those who think Fidel and Mao were super nice guys and that Senator McCarthy, deceased, now sits on his throne on the right hand of Satan in Hell.
 BulldogMedic
Joined: 12/31/2004
Msg: 72
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Posted: 7/18/2005 10:41:06 AM

Remember, God whispered into Georges's ear that he personally picked HIM, of all Americans, to lead the nation.


Don't like 99.9% of all christians believe in providence? That god has put them in a situation, not that they are wandering aimlessly throughout their life? If you believe in God, then isn't it reasonable to assume that God DID pick Bush to be Prez, or he wouldn't be there in the first place?
 LegalWizard
Joined: 5/2/2005
Msg: 73
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Posted: 7/18/2005 11:05:07 AM
When contemplating whether Al Gore, or John Kerry, should have been elected President of the United States instead of George W. Bush, I can imagine the good Lord voting for Bush and telling him so.

Both Gore and Kerry were intellectual lightweights who when tested by being "pushed" by those abroad who hate America may not have been up to doing the job that needed doing.

Can you imagine either Al Gore or John Kerry wearing an aviator's jumpsuit landing on an aircraft carrier to celebrate the end of organized resistance among the uniformed Iraqi military forces, to spend the day with members of the US Military?

The bond between the rank and file members of the military and their Commander in Chief was made manifest for all to see, just like when in a military mess hall in Baghdad, someone went to the microphone and simply asked "Will the highest ranking man in the room please come forward" just before George W. Bush walked into the room as the men jumped to their feet and clapped, whisted, and screamed with delight.

One of my favorite factoids occured when the President was secretly flying to Iraq to make the appearance in the military mess hall, when the pilot of a scheduled airliner observed the President's jet flying over the Medeterranean Sea and in clear language, asked over the radio "Are youi Air Force One?"

The US Air Force Colonel who is the President's pilot cooly picked up his microphone and simply said: "Nope. We are a gulf stream" (a small executive commuter jet).

While its true that the insurgents continue to wrack havoc in Iraq, just like after the unconditional surrender of the Germans in 1945, the Nazi "Werevolf" insurgents continued for several years to perform guerilla activities and also assasinate German Mayors who cooperated with the victorious Allied Millitary Occupation Authorities, it appears that democratic elections are being held in Iraq and they are on the right track to establish a democratic tradition in that land formerly ruled by a despotic and bloody dictator. After all, one of the principal war goals that America had, was not only to destablize the Iraqi regime but also to plant in the middle East, the seeds of democracy, human rights, and the dignity of all mankind, including domestic religious and ethnic minorities, in an area otherwise ruled by dictators and absolute monarchs.
 Frrosty
Joined: 3/21/2004
Msg: 74
The exculpatory facts of the Carl Rove/CIA Agent matter
Posted: 7/18/2005 2:08:24 PM
So history will have to be far more kind and gentle to Senator Joseph McCarthy, once the facts are widely known that the federal employee communist spy cells were in fact real. And for the record, the federal employees who were communist spies were a greater threat to the American way of life then the "abuses" of the McCarthy era were, because while the "abuses" made leftists unemployable, the over-zealous onus of being a suspected communist was not as dangerous as confirmed communists and their successors in office having their heavy thumb on the nuclear button in the Kremlin today.

It is a shame that the spotlight of the Senator's grandstanding was the basis of the inquiry of communist infiltration into the governmental sector and that n the alternative, the FBI and the Defense Intelligence Agency, Central Intelligence Agency, and the White House, did not pick up the ball and run an effective clandestine counter-spy operation to arrest and prosecute the government employee soviet spies that Joseph Stalin had on his payroll


So the AMerican political works was made to run WITH these spies still in PLACE!!??

Um..if they were so dsngerous..well....you know,..why did the USSR collapse and not the USA? Apparently these spies were not so dangerous to the USA?


Clearly the security of the United States was compromised by the McCarthy era Soviet spies who really did work in sensitive US governmental positions.




Apparently not. These spies stayed in place..and the USA still stands.


Although she is HATED by liberals and the "Hate America First" claque


I think she's hilARIOUS. I'd stick it in er dude. (She sure is dippy though)


For instance, once the Soviet Union collapsed and the Russian government stopped making its payroll to the military, nuclear scientists, and etc. the net effect is that much nuclear material, and maybe including field deployable nuclear weaponry from the fomer Soviet Union, has now vanished and was presumably sold on the black market, by staving Russian military officers or nuclear scientists, perhaps even to radical Islamic states supporting Islamo-Fascist terrorists, and may someday be detonated on American soil.


Spies within the American administrations are to blame for this....um....how? *n scratches head*


In fact, it is an act of virtue both now and also then, to be a bona fide anticommunist loyal American.


Excuse me sir; I'm the slow one in class today. What page of the Constitution is this phrase on? (I'm trying to catch up..promise chief)


This nest of Soviet spies taking Soviet payolo during the McCarthy period were apparently never successfully rounded up or prosecuted


And yet.....your country...stands.

(yup; pretty harmful as we can see!!)


Can you imagine either Al Gore or John Kerry wearing an aviator's jumpsuit landing on an aircraft carrier to celebrate the end of organized resistance among the uniformed Iraqi military forces, to spend the day with members of the US Military?


Did he parachute in during high oceanic winds or something chief? *scratches head*

*GASP*

Can I see the video of Mr. Bushs' jump!!??

I BET THAT LOOKS COOL!!!
 alienboy
Joined: 9/10/2004
Msg: 75
The exculpatory facts of the Carl Rove/CIA Agent matter
Posted: 7/18/2005 2:18:01 PM
Speaking of the US in times of war, the Bush administration is the only one to ever lower taxes during war. Funny how they refuse to ask the nation to make any financial sacrifices, but don't mind asking for sacrifices of freedom.
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