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 velopedian
Joined: 11/4/2009
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^^^unfortunately there were a significant number of bills that died... everything from consumer safety to terrorism to free trade with jordan, and more. months(years?) of work and how many millions of our dollars wasted so harper can avoid unwanted criticism.
 SoLongThanksForAllTheFish
Joined: 6/14/2007
Msg: 20
PO'd about Proroguing Parliament?
Posted: 1/23/2010 4:03:10 PM

Who really cares.


Hundreds of thousands of us care, at a minimum. In fact, since support for the conservatives has plummeted by at least 7 or 8% since they pulled this, it's a fair bet that millions care.

Everyone in Canada should care. There are very real and substantial risks from the continual erosion of accountability in our government. We don't want to end up like Argentina or Chile, do we?


The business of government still goes on but the bickering of the House of Commons is gone.


Without the bickering we don't know what else will be going on. Parliament isn't there to provide genius and inspiration. They're there to hold the government accountable.


We need a Lib or Conservative Majority to govern properly.


Why?

Who do people believe this silly myth? Most democracies function perfectly well without majority governments.

And what does this have to do with the issue today anyway? Do you people really believe that parliament is stopping the government from working?? They've managed for a hundred and fifty years despite their continual squabbling. As Velopedian pointed out, though, proroguing most definitely is stopping the real business of government - lots of legislation just disappeared, including bills that pretty much all of us will approve of (like the anti-spam laws, just to take one example).

What we need is for the people of Canada and their representatives to stop treating government like a bloody hockey game and work together instead of fighting each other over every stupid and corrupt point that comes along.

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The rally here was a big success, by the way. Thousands of people turned up, and the march spread out for 3 blocks. Speakers ran a wide range, and one of the first was a disgruntled Conservative. As some of the signs said, it's not about left and right, it's about right and wrong.
 SoLongThanksForAllTheFish
Joined: 6/14/2007
Msg: 21
PO'd about Proroguing Parliament?
Posted: 1/23/2010 4:43:30 PM
Oh and by the way...


<div class="quote">This has been done by all government we have had at one time or another.

This is a lie. The Conservatives have been trying really hard to spread it, butdon't fall for it.

I already posted a couple links above which will tell everything you ever wanted to know about proroguing parliament. The short version: NO, very few governments abuse prorogation for their own ends, and in both past cases the government in question was tossed out shortly after. We can hope that'll happen here too.

That the Conservatives resort to lies and divisive hateful propaganda is one more reason make an extra effort to hold them to account. You don't need to be a historian to know that this sort of thing is real bad news for a country...
 mcalgary
Joined: 11/10/2009
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PO'd about Proroguing Parliament?
Posted: 1/23/2010 5:34:48 PM

Without the bickering we don't know what else will be going on. Parliament isn't there to provide genius and inspiration. They're there to hold the government accountable.


While this is true, the opposition parties still have the media to bring up anything that is important. They were trying to blame the Government for something completely out of it's control (torture in Afganistan) and Mr. Harper overreacted by doing this. Is this situation the best one available, no but come on, stop making mountains out of mole hills. It is just the only thing the Liberals can bring up because Michael I. is not being the leader we all thought he would be.


Who do people believe this silly myth? Most democracies function perfectly well without majority governments.

This is only partially true. Parties run together as a coalition in an election and then act as a majority as long as they get along. This is not the case here. The NDP and the Liberals do not run as if they will form a coalition. If they did the results would definanlty change. I will vote Liberal most of the time but I will not ever if they ran with a chance of a coalition with the NDP. I am a centalist like most Canadians and the NDP would pull the Libs way to far to the left.
The governing party must be able to enact legislation with out having to cater to every little special interest that sticks its head in and the threat of an election every time hard but needed legislation is trying to be passed.
 SoLongThanksForAllTheFish
Joined: 6/14/2007
Msg: 23
PO'd about Proroguing Parliament?
Posted: 1/23/2010 6:17:44 PM
While this is true, the opposition parties still have the media to bring up anything that is important.


Harper began his time in office by telling the media he wouldn't let them question him, and went on from there to cut back the CBC and sue his critics. So even if we granted that the media, a non-official outside force, should be counted on to police government (which I don't), it doesn't make things any better. The Conservatives are clearly out to reduce or eliminate all means to hold them accountable, and focusing on one at a time just makes it easy to miss the big picture.


They were trying to blame the Government for something completely out of it's control (torture in Afganistan) and Mr. Harper overreacted by doing this. Is this situation the best one available, no but come on, stop making mountains out of mole hills.


You think suspending parliament and stopping the business of government (and breaking campaign promises along the way) is just an "overreaction"? If it's no big deal, then presumably he won't mind reversing that decision now that it's become clear how many people are angered by it.


Parties run together as a coalition in an election and then act as a majority as long as they get along.


Rubbish - the particular sort of rubbish Conservatives handed out as part of their anti-coalition spin last year. Nobody votes for a coalition. They vote for local representatives and then those representatives sort out coalitions and such after seeing the composition of parliament. That's the difference between a representative system and direct democracy.

These discussions always tend to get bogged down in the same sort of rubbish that neo-cons have been spewing for years. Perhaps we should have started exploding it sooner, because it's appalling how many people have fallen for it. When you boil off all the misdirection, red herrings and outright BS what they're saying (and what you are echoing) is this: "government doesn't work and we need a strong leader to rescue it." This is not remotely a new idea. That was the kind of thinking that kept Dubya in power for eight years. It's the kind of thinking behind every dictator of the 20th century, right back to the Fascists and Stalin. It's the justification used by Napoleon and most every other usurper for the past two thousand users. It was the justification Caesar and the Triumvirates used to tear apart Rome, and doubtless the Tyrants of ancient Greece said much the same things. Notice the theme? None of those brilliant adventures in leadership turned out well. It's a road to nowhere.


The governing party must be able to enact legislation with out having to cater to every little special interest that sticks its head in and the threat of an election every time hard but needed legislation is trying to be passed.


More Conservative spin and crap. In fact, needed legislation does get passed even with a hated minority government like the Conservatives - the budget, most notably. What this really amounts to is this: "The governing party should be able to do what it thinks is needed without the threat of an election." Thus the problem becomes clear: the total absence of any consideration of what the majority of the country wants and whether or not they actually approve of this action. In fact, the issue would never come up if they did approve so it's even more offensive; it's just a transparent way to rationalize forcing their will on everybody else.

The best known way to stop disastrous bad government is to force it at every step to get the approval of the people governed. The British (whose system we have inherited, recall) spent hundreds of years fighting wars in which millions of people died, establishing this principle at the end of it all. It has worked very well for us and dozens of other countries since then. It's sad and frightening that so many are willing to ignore that vast and proven experience.
 mcalgary
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Posted: 1/24/2010 4:28:47 AM

You think suspending parliament and stopping the business of government (and breaking campaign promises along the way) is just an "overreaction"? If it's no big deal, then presumably he won't mind reversing that decision now that it's become clear how many people are angered by it.


The business of government has in no way been stopped. pls


These discussions always tend to get bogged down in the same sort of rubbish that neo-cons have been spewing for years. Perhaps we should have started exploding it sooner, because it's appalling how many people have fallen for it. When you boil off all the misdirection, red herrings and outright BS what they're saying (and what you are echoing) is this: "government doesn't work and we need a strong leader to rescue it." This is not remotely a new idea. That was the kind of thinking that kept Dubya in power for eight years. It's the kind of thinking behind every dictator of the 20th century, right back to the Fascists and Stalin. It's the justification used by Napoleon and most every other usurper for the past two thousand users. It was the justification Caesar and the Triumvirates used to tear apart Rome, and doubtless the Tyrants of ancient Greece said much the same things. Notice the theme? None of those brilliant adventures in leadership turned out well. It's a road to nowhere.


Come on, you are comparing Stephen Harper to Napoleon and Fascists. You are starting to sound like the anti-Obama activists in the US. I am sorry but you do need a good leader to LEAD your country (good examples I will give are Pierre Trudeau and Peter Lougheed) are you going to compare them to the above. Especially Trudeau.
Dubya was voted in again because the democrats controlled the house and the senate and they wanted to balance the power. Kind of sad that they could be fooled so easily but it had nothing to do with people thinking he was a good leader.

I am not speaking any Neo-con bull. I am speaking common sense. Take off your ultra-socialist glasses and be a bit of a realist.

I will give you that it was major bad form for the Conservatives to do this and will affect my voting in the next election but to change peoples votes we need IDEAS not just the bashing the Libs and Conservatives do constantly. At least you get a few ideas out of the Conservatives, I need some from Michael's mouth too.
 SoLongThanksForAllTheFish
Joined: 6/14/2007
Msg: 25
PO'd about Proroguing Parliament?
Posted: 1/24/2010 8:07:55 AM
The business of government has in no way been stopped

See that link above pointing to all the bills that are now dead? That's a lot of government business that's now NOT being done. THEIR business.

The Conservatives promised to be tough on crime, and then killed their own crime bill. (And they continue to send me their 10 percenter flyers telling me they're getting tough on crime even while doing it. If it weren't such a waste of taxpayer bucks it would be laughable).

They spent months wrangling over an anti-spam bill we all would have liked to see. Gone now...

Likewise gone: The consumer product safety bill, the environmental protection legislation, free trade bills and a bunch of other stuff. All that has to be started over from scratch now and will take months to go anywhere (if it does).


I am not speaking any Neo-con bull. I am speaking common sense. Take off your ultra-socialist glasses and be a bit of a realist.

I'm not saying you yourself are a neo-con BSer, just that you have swallowed their line of crap. You just confirmed it by dismissing me as a socialist (an ultra-socialist even)! That's a standard neo-con smear, and laughably wrong in this case.

I'm not any kind of socialist; I'm a small businessman born and raised in the most conservative part of Alberta. I do not and will never vote NDP. I don't get any government funding, and don't want any. There are several conservative policies I have no problem with, and if the Progressive Conservatives were still around it'd be an eternal toss-up whether to vote them or Liberal, but the new Conservative party has never earned the support they might expect from me because I won't vote for a party that tries to get into power by spreading lies and hate.

I'll say it again: This is not about party politics. It's about abuse of power, plain and simple. Whatever partisan squabbles we might have are less important; destroying the system is a whole new level of trouble well above the usual bickering.


At least you get a few ideas out of the Conservatives, I need some from Michael's mouth too.

All the opposition leaders have lots of ideas they've broadcast far and wide (for better or worse). You can find them on their own websites and in many published interviews. So why this idea that they have no ideas? Because the Conservatives systematically mount smear campaigns trying to personally discredit opposition leaders, and Canadians soak it up. They've now soaked it up so much that people automatically parrot their lies without even bothering to check. I think it's time to start turning this trend around...

It's easy to spot their rumour mill in action; pretty much any time any online public discussion comes up, somebody will miraculously appear out of nowhere to spout their current party line, which might be spin or misdirection or bashing the opposition depending on the issue at hand. See message #4 up there, for example. This time their tactic is spin and misdirection, presumably because the opposition to proroguing really is grassroots and there are no big-name leaders to attack (and not only that, many of the local leaders are disgruntled ex-Conservatives).

It's the same story with the letters to the editor and phone-in comments that appear too, all products of a huge propaganda machine. Don't believe me? Here's the front page of one site (the most public) where they orchestrate this:

https://mycampaign.conservative.ca/

The "Write Letter to the Editor" page is particularly interesting. It's an automated form with a checklist of hot topics and buttons for all the major newspapers. The talk radio part is also worthwhile, since it lists specific items they want people to mention.


Come on, you are comparing Stephen Harper to Napoleon and Fascists.


Nope, you stretched what I did say to get that that comparison. My point was that there's a long and inglorious history to this kind of "strong leader needed" thinking. I'm talking about the foolishness of the mob, not the leaders themselves.

However, I was comparing Canada to Argentina and Chile, and I'll stand by that. What's the difference between us and them? Not as much as you might figure. Both of them were also prosperous countries of similar wealth and development to Canada, largely settled by European immigrants ... until they ran into economic troubles and let their political divisions tear them apart. Now they're way behind us and perpetually trying to catch up. That's a common problem in Latin America and I think it's a reasonable conclusion that they fall to these troubles more easily than we do because they don't have the traditions that we're trying to uphold with this protest.

That's the difference between me and many of the people who defend the Conservatives. I used to believe the same kind of stuff, that strong leaders were needed and government would work fine as long as it had space for heroes to do their job. Then after years of living overseas, I'd seen endless many examples of places where people tore themselves apart and dumped their entire country into poverty. So I stopped taking our own system for granted; we do stand to lose very much by letting the Conservatives get away with this stuff - probably even more than we risk from Quebec separatists, who are at least concentrated in one part of Canada. And yes, we do need good leaders, but that doesn't mean we need autocratic asshats who ignore the wishes of most of the country to push their own ideology. Nor can we afford to tolerate them.

So I put it to you that you are the one being overly complacent and in need of a good dose of reality, not I.
 mcalgary
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Posted: 1/24/2010 11:29:28 PM

Because the Conservatives systematically mount smear campaigns trying to personally discredit opposition leaders, and Canadians soak it up.


While I will agree with you that the Conservatives cannot compare the the PC's ( I would consider myself a Red Tory) the conservatives learned how to do this by watching Mr. Chretien tear down anything Kim Campbell, Preston Manning, Joe Clark, Stockwell Day and even Stephen Harper could or would say and twist it into US vs Canada or a the conservatives or PC's are going to make a US style healthcare system. No government will try to make a all private US style healthcare system or they would be out of power as soon as the public could get them there.

I do hope that Mr. Harper steps down, soon, as leader of the Conservatives and a more Inclusive leader comes up to lead them (like I believe Peter McKay will be).

They haven't really had to put up their so called Propoganda machine into action in quite a while. I have not seen any Conservative TV ads but I sure have seen Anti-conservative ads so both sides play this game and turn millions away from Politics.


I'm not saying you yourself are a neo-con BSer, just that you have swallowed their line of crap. You just confirmed it by dismissing me as a socialist (an ultra-socialist even)!


It is my bad if I am wrong about you being an ultra socialitst but it had nothing to do with the conservative party. It was pure my thought when I read what you wrote.
 Merrylass
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Posted: 1/25/2010 7:55:16 AM

The business of government has in no way been stopped


The principal effect of ending a session by prorogation is to end business. All government bills that have not received Royal Assent prior to prorogation cease to exist; committee activity also ceases. Thus, no committee can sit after a prorogation.

In order for government bills to be proceeded with in a new session, they must be reintroduced as new bills or they may be reinstated, if the House agrees to this.
from the Compendium of House of Commons procedure
http://www.parl.gc.ca/compendium/web-content/c_d_prorogationparliament-e.htm

It's always a good idea to check your facts before posting them.
 mcalgary
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Posted: 1/25/2010 10:49:06 AM

The principal effect of ending a session by prorogation is to end business. All government bills that have not received Royal Assent prior to prorogation cease to exist; committee activity also ceases. Thus, no committee can sit after a prorogation.

In order for government bills to be proceeded with in a new session, they must be reintroduced as new bills or they may be reinstated, if the House agrees to this.
from the Compendium of House of Commons procedure
http://www.parl.gc.ca/compendium/web-content/c_d_prorogationparliament-e.htm

It's always a good idea to check your facts before posting them.



Yes, I totally understand that bills were left on the table but none of the bills left were any bills of consequence. What I meant was that the day to day activities of each ministry and the PMO are still fully functioning to manage the nation.

As I have said, I do not fully support prorogation but I think that it is making a mountain out of a mole hill and untill the Liberals come up with concrete plans that I can agree with I will vote Conservative. Please note that I am not a full fledged Conservative but a Red Tory and would have no problems voting for the Liberals if and when they show us something I can believe in.

I had more of a problem with the election being called after a set election date had already been set than I do with this. I am not happy with what Mr. Harper has been doing but on Policy I think he is still the best person for the job. As I have said in several E-mails to various Liberal MP's give me policy that is closer to the center and they will have my vote ( and thousands of others) but stop this constant making huge issues out of small things as both the Liberals and the NDP keep doing.
You win votes by coming up with smart policy that people can believe in. You only take votes away from the other party by attacking. The votes the other party loses usually goes to someone else. It is proven political science. Trudeau kept winning because of his policies not because he constantly bashed the PC's. And we will keep going back and forth with minority Conservative and Liberal governments with the Bloq and NDP getting there small portion untill Ideas become the issue.

Proroging parlment is nothing new, Yes you will try and say but it was different. It is not. Should it be done. The answer is "NO" but unless he tries to prolong it endlessly which he will not it is not a big deal.

Truth be told, I believe he is doing this so the new Senators can get into the chamber and he will then be able to get his crime legislation through the senate as the Liberal senators keep sending it back to committee over and over again untill the bill finally dies. Not that it is a good excuse but at least it makes it all make some sense.
 Nerdimus Maximus
Joined: 12/15/2008
Msg: 29
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Posted: 1/25/2010 11:14:17 AM
I would not call Harper a Facist or a Napoleonist. He has a bit more work to do before we're there but I'm sure he can do it with our continuted apathy and abject stupidity.
(How about those Canucks!!!)

I would call him a puppet, marionette or Obama. All the same to me and others who are awake.
 SoLongThanksForAllTheFish
Joined: 6/14/2007
Msg: 30
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Posted: 1/25/2010 12:53:52 PM
Yes, I totally understand that bills were left on the table but none of the bills left were any bills of consequence.

Suspending parliament killed their anti-crime legislation. Are you saying that's not of consequence? Then how can you also maintain that was the point of this exercise?

Killing the anti-spam bill certainly matters to me, especially given the tremendous amount of effort that went into it:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/were-still-going-to-get-spam/article1441181/

I'm sure the other dead bills will also impact lots of people in real ways.

However...

The real cost isn't this particular patch of dead laws but the precedent. We really don't want future PMs to be able to cancel legislation arbitrarily and say it's ok because Harper did it, yet that's what would happen if we let this slide. We already got into this mess because there was no precedent for the GG to say no to his request (could've set one last year but didn't). Many important matters of Canadian law and government are dictated by precedent and tradition. It's really not something to ignore.


As I have said, I do not fully support prorogation but I think that it is making a mountain out of a mole hill and untill the Liberals come up with concrete plans that I can agree with I will vote Conservative

What do the Liberals, their plans, or our votes have to do with this?? One more time: This is not about party politics; it is about the abuse of power. The outcome we want is that the PM (not just Harper but also any PM in future) stop abusing his position. If he won't, fire him! If a better Conservative leader takes over from Harper (meaning one who doesn't tear the country apart with dirty tricks and smear campaigns), that'll do just fine.


I had more of a problem with the election being called after a set election date had already been set than I do with this.

Yes, I was unimpressed by that, too, and said so loud and clear back then. However, you're missing a big point by looking at it this way. They aren't separate abuses, it's one abuse on top of another. At apparently every opportunity, Harper stretches the boundaries a bit more with new abuses. At what point do we stop him? Do we let democracy and accountability be nibbled away entirely? Of course not... but then any specific point at which we take action could be made to look like a small thing. It still needs to be done. That leads us to the next point...


Proroging parlment is nothing new, Yes you will try and say but it was different. It is not

This "everyone did it" crap is a blatant Conservative lie that they have been pushing really hard. That's why you never hear specific details attached to this claim; any serious look at the history of it exposes their lie.

The reality is that only two PMs in the past have tried to prorogue parliament to avoid criticism. One paid for it by resigning and another retired leaving his party to take the damage. So it's utterly ridiculous to claim that this makes it ok for Harper to try the same stunt.

That all by itself would be enough reason to get upset over this particular abuse, but there's more. This particular abuse is also special because there's no justification for it. I don't know if I even need to bother pointing this out, since from the look of it nobody believes his excuses for proroguing. Anyone who did has probably woken up now that they've changed their excuses a few times. Anyway, given all the misdirection and verbal sleight-of-hand they're trying to get people to miss this point, I suppose it's worth a comment. The mere fact that the government clearly is presenting cover-up stories and transparent rationalizations is enough to show that this is wrong and they know it.
 Merrylass
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PO'd about Proroguing Parliament?
Posted: 1/25/2010 6:36:14 PM
Harper once told Bush2 that he admired him (or something to that effect). You can tell that they're cut of the same cloth; from muzzling MPs to extending his grasp on authority, he's a Bush2 wannabe.

Harper needs to go; hopefully this last little trick will erode confidence in him in his own party and he'll get turfed. I agree the Tories have some good MPs, however those MPs are never elected leader, unfortunately. I've yet to see one I could stomach as PM, including the ones who have been. Mulroney was a complete train wreck and this goof's no prize, either.
 mcalgary
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Posted: 1/26/2010 10:23:57 AM

What do the Liberals, their plans, or our votes have to do with this?? One more time: This is not about party politics; it is about the abuse of power. The outcome we want is that the PM (not just Harper but also any PM in future) stop abusing his position. If he won't, fire him! If a better Conservative leader takes over from Harper (meaning one who doesn't tear the country apart with dirty tricks and smear campaigns), that'll do just fine.


I will admit that I like the legislation that is being brought up by the opposition parties to make any prorogation have to be passed in the House. Great Idea.
 mcalgary
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Posted: 1/26/2010 1:08:38 PM

because there was no precedent for the GG to say no to his request


This is why the GG should be elected and not just appointed. Not to be given too much power but would allow them to have more authority to make decision about things like this.
 shawnovich
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Msg: 34
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Posted: 1/26/2010 1:47:22 PM
I am in no way a fan of the ham fisted politics of Stephen Harper but I will say this the man certainly knows his options! What amazes me is how much power the Conservative Party holds considering they have a minority government. But then again it is not a surprise considering the other political parties, especially the Liberals, are a wash. The NDP will never earn enough votes to be a viable government nor will they ever be a decent opposition party. To make matters worse the fact that there is a split in the left of center vote could possibly lead to either another Minority government for Stepho or worse a majority. I am not sure I want to see what that guy can do when he doesn't have to face the house. Of course he doesn't have to face the house right now either!!! lol.
 velopedian
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PO'd about Proroguing Parliament?
Posted: 1/26/2010 8:27:07 PM
harper knows the opposition is too afraid of public opinion about another election. as much as i don't like him, i have to admit that harper is a master at playing the parliamentary rules game.


I will admit that I like the legislation that is being brought up by the opposition parties to make any prorogation have to be passed in the House. Great Idea.

i agree, but is it only wishful thinking?
 SoLongThanksForAllTheFish
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Msg: 36
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Posted: 1/28/2010 1:27:06 PM

Not sure this will get off the ground, but there is a proposed second wave of action on the Proroguing of Parliament.


Thanks for posting that! One of the ideas for another protest is a petition drive, but there are lots of others. A lot of people remain angry about this (maybe more every day, even) and they're not going to let the issue go away.

There's a new editorial from the Calgary Herald (hardly a bastion of socialism) making many of the same points I put above:

http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion/prorogation+Parliament+deal/2493408/story.html
 velopedian
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Posted: 1/29/2010 4:45:43 PM
it seems the guy at the top just doesn't care what anybody says... this is what i want to do, and there's nothing you can say that'll change my mind.

hmmm, sound familiar?
 WesternWildRose
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Posted: 3/17/2010 9:24:07 PM
******UPDATE******
CBC News 17/03/10


Opposition members of Parliament joined together Wednesday to pass a motion that would prevent the prime minister from proroguing Parliament for longer than seven days unless supported by the House.

The motion, introduced by NDP Leader Jack Layton and passed by a vote of 139 to 135, is not considered binding, however.

"Our prime minister is not a king, and it's time he understood that. It would appear he doesn't get it," Layton said earlier on Wednesday in the House of Commons.
 SoLongThanksForAllTheFish
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Msg: 39
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Posted: 3/17/2010 10:26:16 PM
The opposition can't lose with this motion.

If Harper approves it, his favourite sneaky trick is gone.

If he vetoes it, he'll piss off most people in Canada again and probably cost his party a few more percent of the vote.

Or at least that would be true if it were a proper bill. Since it's a motion, he can probably just ignore it - and no doubt will.
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