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 wisguyingb
Joined: 1/5/2008
Msg: 4
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All I have to say to our liberal friends out there is.....Hahahaha What a blow to the bluest of blue states!

All we heard (from the media and people in here) over and over was how the "Party of No" (GOP) would lose seats and get even smaller in 2010. Looks like the Dem's have not delivered the "change" they campaigned on and the people have taken notice. If I was a Democrat I'm not to sure I'd want the President campaigning for me. Every time he campaigns for someone they lose...

I wonder if old Ted is rolling over in his grave?
 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 12
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Posted: 1/19/2010 10:35:21 PM

so what joy do you teabaggers feel?

I feel joy in your namecalling and elitist attitude being rebuked. heheh Just simply rejoicing in how deep your soul is scorning us Tea Partiers'. Maybe now you will acknowledge the movement by its true name? Or no? Continue to play the "tea bagger' monniker? Either way, it doesn't matter...whether you acknowledge it or not, IT's for REAL, baby! Keep the faith (as Marsha...erm, I mean Martha) Coakley did...just be a politician without substance and ASSume it's all a gravy train. After this election, it wouldn't surprise me one bit, if Pelosi loses her next bid. Okay, okay, I'm exaggerating...but I bet she doesn't win by more than 8%! Hey, it's San Fransisco, afterall! Oh wait, this was Massachusettes...okay, nevermind. Hmmm.....

Now the thing is...those of you on the left...please don't despair. Because this election is also a referendum on the Repubs. Y'all better get yer heads outta yer azzes. Get back to fiscal responsibility, etc. You know, that Joe The Plumber guy? And how bout some of that oft talked about "transparency"? And, you know, throw in a pinch of "Bi-partisanship" here and there.

Yup, I can't wait until 1/27/10...Barry's first State of the Union address. It will kind of read like a POF profile:

Me:
*Won a peace prize (for what, I'm not sure).
*Flew overseas to try to ascertain my (adopted) native city's bid for the Olympics of 2012.
*Went to Copenhagen for that whole Global Warming Summit thingy...while Americans were dying from freeezing to death in their own homes.
*Went and spoke to the arab nation and apologized for America's wrongs...and then saw the most arab induced killings on U.S. territory since 9/11.
*Attempted to appease arab nations by trying suspected terrorists in an American court of law rather than military tribunals.
*Continued to swim, snorkel and golf on Christmas Day rather than address the events of the Bloomer Bomber of Detroit.
*etc. etc. etc. etc.

You:
*Have a propensity for getting elected regardless of character, values or experience.
*Allow me to come campaign for you...cuz' I'm the Man.
*Believe me when I tell you something...anything...such as muttering the words, "openness", "transparency", "change", "Bush", etc.
*Love me when I visit Letterman, Oprah, yadda yadda...you know, those who wouldn't DARE disagree with me...those who agree with my self assessment of a "B+...A- if *I* had gotten UHC, done"
*Don't hold it against me when I (fill in your own blanks) ___________________

Oh wait, that was more about *me*...oh well, that's okay...I'm the Obamassiah. In other words, listen to what I say and 'how' *I* say it rather than watching what *I* do.

Now let *me* be "perfectly clear"...we need bi-partisanship from the Party of "No" (because *I* still don't have a friggin clue that it's the Country of "No")...and *I'm* still so narssicistic as to believe that, the people who voted for *me* a little over a year ago and are now overwhelmingly voting for Republicans, are just misguided...they simply don't understand what' at stake.

Heheheheheh...yeah *we* do, Mr. Obama...and we're the Tea Partiers...no matter what you or your minions wish to call *US*. Just ask Martha...I mean, Marsha Coakley...I have a feeling they stopped her campaigning early l'est she state that the original Tea Party happened in New York harbor. What a ditz.






~ds~
 Ready4SomethingFun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 15
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Posted: 1/20/2010 12:51:15 AM
Hopefully the dems will take this as a wake up call. But knowing the attitude in Washington right now--I doubt it. My initial thought was they'll speed up things on HC and delay giving Brown the seat. Maybe not such a bad thing in view of the whole landscape as it would pretty much ensure a GOP takeover in '10 (and at the very least a lame duck Obama in '12).

But in a different scenario, the dems will seat Brown, and finally take a look around and realize the things they are doing are not what the majority wants (how else does a state as blue as Mass. go red?) and begin trying to govern a bit more to the center. Something keeps screaming pipedream when this scenario plays in my head though.

I think what MG says above is true too, for the GOP to have a chance in '10, they need to learn some lessons from the present administration and not become guilty of the same set of circumstances. They still have a long way to go to regain the trust of "we the people" and when/if they win, should not look at it as an excuse to go hog wild with things. They should look at it as a reason to try to return government back to it's bosses. Us. As in U.S.


I am very pleased with Brown's victory and thinking that maybe I misjudged the complacency of our follow citizens.
 SAguy_06
Joined: 10/8/2009
Msg: 16
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Posted: 1/20/2010 2:29:19 AM
Thanks Massachusetts,

By electing Brown you have halted America's downward slide to Socialism.
I was really stressing, those Moaist siuts make my azz look big...On to '10 and the total dismantling of Liberalism...

Palin in '12
 wisguyingb
Joined: 1/5/2008
Msg: 17
Massachusetts Senate Race
Posted: 1/20/2010 4:33:56 AM

I guess the voters of Massachusetts are just all idiots... Right Rachael Maddow?


Are you talking about the Rachael Maddow who has a show on MSLSD?
 Ezzee
Joined: 7/26/2004
Msg: 20
Massachusetts Senate Race
Posted: 1/20/2010 7:29:09 AM
You know, I was just thinking, and correct me if I'm wrong, but Massachusetts basically already has enacted major health care reform, similar to what is being talked about on a national level.

Anyone else see this as a "we got our screw the rest of you" vote?
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 24
Massachusetts Senate Race
Posted: 1/20/2010 1:23:40 PM
I know I'll get dumped on by both sides for this:

It just proves that there is no seat safe enough if you run a terrible candidate. Sure, anti-incumbency is going to bite the Democrats now. But it was still a seat the Democratic candidate lost - not one the Republican candidate won. And frankly, that's a very good thing. In a democratic society there shouldn't be any "safe" seats; have you noticed that the worst legislators always seem to come from "safe" ridings?
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 25
Massachusetts Senate Race
Posted: 1/20/2010 1:41:32 PM

Call me whatever the hell you want to because at the end of the day, a "Tea bagging Redneck" in an old pickup truck just took Ted Kennedy's US Senate Seat!

Let's face it folks... If we can take that seat, in the bluest of blue states, then NO SOCILAIST IS SAFE!!!


Pushing the limits of credibility again are we?

No-one "took" Ted Kennedy's seat... If Teddy were still around, no-one else would have stood a chance against him for the seat... Beating someone who isn't Ted Kennedy for a seat that Kennedy doesn't hold isn't a huge feat...

Even less so when the winner is a very 'un-Republican' Republican (and practically a heathen Communist compared to the party's southern Christian base, especially considering he posed NUDE for "Cosmo") running against a border-line incompetent AG/ex-DA...

What stretches the credibility even more is the crowing as if this man would have been unelectable in Mass. prior to Obama, completely ignoring that he has held office for 15 years... and the margin in the special election was one of his lowest margins ever...

However... enjoy your fantasy while you can... the only advantage it gives the Repubs is an opportunity to subvert Senate proceedings through filibuster and procedural game-playing (if you can't actually beat 'em then use technical procedures to hijack/delay the process)...
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 27
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Posted: 1/20/2010 2:43:43 PM
There was another Massachusetts politician who had a famous dictum: All politics is local.

Those who are trying to pretend that this is somehow a rejection of healthcare are delusional. The state already has a statewide program which goes much further than the modest proposal currently making its way through the process. The Democratic candidate was a bad one who made blunder after blunder. She lost.

And I think Truman's health plan predated the hippies by a couple of decades.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 29
Massachusetts Senate Race
Posted: 1/20/2010 3:19:10 PM
It's, "The proof is in the pudding."

And Truman wasn't President a century ago. And it wasn't tried; every other first world nation adopted state health care and every other first world nation spends less per capita with better outcomes. So, where it has been tried, it's better than your system.

I'll stick with my diagnosis of "delusional."
 EarlzP
Joined: 12/9/2007
Msg: 32
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Posted: 1/20/2010 4:59:24 PM

Go ahead - live in DENIAL of the message that was sent last night... Don't even TRY to tell me the candidate you ALL extolled just YESTERDAY, who was very popular and was previously elected STATE WIDE in Massachusetts, was just a "terrible candidate". Why was she so wonderul and qualified just yesterday, while you were out campaigning for her, but a 'terrible candidate" today? That's just laughable... Were you lying to the public yesterday, or today? Well? Which is it? LOL!


Here is what I understand, we live in a country where it seems to be okay to spend billions of dollars and sacrifice tens of thousands of lives making war on countries in order to steal their oil and natural gas so that the rich can continue to guage the middle and lower class wage earners, we are a sick greedy society,one that has little compassion for the poor and needy right here in our own country
 Imported_labor
Joined: 3/7/2008
Msg: 41
Massachusetts Senate Race
Posted: 1/21/2010 1:01:29 PM
Massachusetts' independent voters like to have the government in check by dividing the power as much as possible. If the legislature is in the hand of democrats they will elect a republican for the executive, just so that they can keep each other in check. Of course, that didn't help the state much during the twenty years that they kept doing that. Nothing much happened to help the poor people in a state with one of the largest income disparities when compared to the middle and upper classes. Massachusetts has lost most of its industries that used to employ blue-collar workers. The working people of Massachusetts lives from low salaries in
service jobs, making slightly more than minimum wages which aren't enough to live here because the cost of living is high.

That was one of the most important reasons why the Commonwealth of Massachusetts passed a law to provide Health Care to all its citizens when the voters got fed up with the useless republican administrations that didn't accomplish anything for the state, and they elected a democrat for governor who wasted no time in leading the charge for Universal Health Care.

I have lived in Massachusetts for more than 30 years and I can't relly figure out why the independent voters helped Brown when he was saying that he wants to stop Health Care Reform on the national level. Is it because they already have it, and they don't want to share it with the country? Is it because they feared that the national health insurance would cost them more than what the state's cost them already? I know many people that lost their job in the last two years, and they were comforted by the fact that they had health insurance.

I can't imagine grand-parents voting like they did, nor parents of working children voting against something that would give some protection to them if another recession hits us again. Older people not caring about their own families because older people have medicare, so they don't want to contribute to the commonwealth, especially when they can afford it. That is beyond what I understand. I always thought that when people were saying that they cared and loved their family they meant what I understood. I guess it is never too late to learn something!

Or may be it was just people who were buying their booze commenting that they would never vote for a woman who didn't know much about Schilling. There are a lot of baseball fans in Massachusetts!
 Imported_labor
Joined: 3/7/2008
Msg: 44
Massachusetts Senate Race
Posted: 1/21/2010 3:54:00 PM

First , have you ever heard the term Romney Care ?


You are correct! I apologize for my mistake. I completely erased him from my memory.

I think that I am gonna use the health care system here and have myself checked for Alzheimer's! It ought to be covered!
 EarlzP
Joined: 12/9/2007
Msg: 45
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Posted: 1/21/2010 5:17:58 PM

Well he's a clue buddy, I've earned my living in politics my entire adult life. I've testified in court as an expert witness, twice, in redistricting and reapportionment battles. I have a proclaimation from the Governor hanging on my office wall appointing me an Honorary Lt. Colonel in the State Militia - a document he signed on his first day in office, as one of his first official acts, and then gave to me as a "thank you" for the good work I did helping him get elected. I've worked with literally HUNDREDS of campaigns over the years, and next year I'll be in the middle of BOTH our US Senate race and our Governor's race - but according to you - I know nothing... lol


The statement above helps to explain why the USA is on the verge of collapse
 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 47
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Posted: 1/21/2010 7:00:48 PM

With the massage parlor prostitute problem in Mass. and Brown's record of supporting them, one has to wonder why.
Just like Pallin, he was poorly vetted and we only find out now about his real agenda. Maybe he wants better class hookers from DC!

Do we really want to get into a discussion regarding "vetting"?! Yeah, didn't think so based on the names people (from the other side) were called regarding "vetting".

Teabaggers are so easily manipulated...

As easily as Socialists/Progressives?





~ds~
 Imported_labor
Joined: 3/7/2008
Msg: 49
Massachusetts Senate Race
Posted: 1/23/2010 6:05:25 AM
There is an AP article reporting that Massachusetts voters support their Universal Health Care but they may not like to share it with the rest of the country.


When Mary Foote cast her ballot in this week's special Senate election, she was thinking about how the national health care bill strayed too far from the Massachusetts model and would force her to shoulder the financial burden of expanding health care in the other 49 states.

''I think we're paying enough for the health issue in Massachusetts without paying for the rest of the nation,'' said the 50-year-old cafeteria manager from Fitchburg, Mass.


The majority of the voters in Mass. support their state's Health Care Law, but a large number of them was convinced by the Republican propaganda that the Massachusetts Health Care is better than the one being considered by the US Congress:


Feeney wasn't alone. A poll conducted this week by The Washington Post of 880 Massachusetts residents who said they voted in the special election found that 68 percent support the Massachusetts plan. Even among Brown voters, slightly more than half backed the 2006 law.

But support plummeted when voters were asked about health care proposals from Obama and Democrats in Congress.

Just 43 percent of Massachusetts voters said they supported them. Among Brown voters opposition soared to about 80 percent in the poll, which was released Friday and had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.


Massachusetts may be a blue state, but when the voters are overwhelmed by a hurricane of falsehoods and an avalanche of propaganda, they may end up somewhat confused.

The complete article is found at this link:
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/01/22/us/AP-US-Massachusetts-Senate-Health-Care.html
 Wookie50
Joined: 4/9/2006
Msg: 51
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Posted: 1/23/2010 8:30:27 AM
Yeah, Martha Coakley really shouldn't have printed up all of those posters saying "Vote Coakley. She is so much better than you!"


Obama now knows what he has to do. He needs to stop shoving multi trillion dollar entitlement programs for his base down our throats.


I would love to know why Bush's presription drug plan went down so much better with the right wing base.


He needs to work with the republicans and independents in the house and senate. They may not agree with everything he wants and visa versa, but he needs to learn how to COMPROMISE.


Interesting thing about that.


Filibuster was invoked sparingly in less partisan times – an average of once a year in the 1950s, but 139 times by Republicans in 2008.[30]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster#United_States

Maybe Obama should have compromised and put tax cuts in his stimulus plan. Oh wait, he did and got zero Republican votes.
 Imported_labor
Joined: 3/7/2008
Msg: 52
Massachusetts Senate Race
Posted: 1/23/2010 9:13:17 AM

I love it!
The liberals on the left are calling everyone who voted for Scott in Mass ignorant..stupid..
This is the exact typical liberal elitist attitude that lost the election for them! To think that anyone who does not agree with the typical liberal attitude of" We are so much better than you" or "We are the compassionate party" is not smart shows your stupidity!


And I love it when the extreme right wing nut jobs get mad and post nonsense when they don't even understand what they read!

The AP article was reporting what they found when they polled the people that voted for Brown. They were the ones that indicated their support for the Mass. Health Care Law, even though they voted for Brown, whose propaganda led them to believe that the Federal Health Care wouldn't be better than what Mass. now has.
 Ready4SomethingFun
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 53
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Posted: 1/23/2010 11:52:05 AM

Federal Health Care wouldn't be better than what Mass. now has


Last I read, Mass. health care is on the verge of bankruptcy. Now what inside information do you have that tells you that doing a similar program nationwide would be any better?
 Imported_labor
Joined: 3/7/2008
Msg: 54
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Posted: 1/23/2010 12:27:12 PM

Last I read, Mass. health care is on the verge of bankruptcy. Now what inside information do you have that tells you that doing a similar program nationwide would be any better?


It helps to read the posts in a discussion before using the keyboard. The article says that it was Brown who was making the claims that Mass. Health Care is better than what Congress is considering. And, a lot of people believed him!
 justgiviner
Joined: 6/8/2008
Msg: 57
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Posted: 1/28/2010 3:01:48 AM
It is good for the Us dollar since spending laws will go through much slower now since there isn't a super majority anymore. It's never good for one party to have all the houses.

check out here: http://www.yaliberty.org
 wisguyingb
Joined: 1/5/2008
Msg: 59
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Posted: 2/5/2010 3:43:16 PM

How wonderful now when the health bill is blocked.The republicans can explain to the 30 million without health insurance why they wont get any.


Umm, the Republicans don't have to explain anything. The Democrats have have majorities in the Senate and in the House for over a year! If the Democrats wanted a health care bill they could have easily passed it when they had 60 seats in the Senate.
 Imported_labor
Joined: 3/7/2008
Msg: 61
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Posted: 2/6/2010 2:48:54 AM

Incidentally Brown voted for that Mass. health care bill (which has resulted in the most expensive health insurance in the country, and the state with the fastest increase in insurance costs).

IIRC, Brown's argument against Obamacare was that Massachusetts residents would end up paying even more for insurance to subsidize the rest of the country.


Which is exactly what I said: Brown appealed to the selfish interests of those who already have health care insurance. His campaign of fear mongering, scaring people about the possibility of losing health care insurance or having to pay more, was somewhat effective and many people voted against their own interests.
 Imported_labor
Joined: 3/7/2008
Msg: 63
Massachusetts Senate Race
Posted: 2/6/2010 8:48:17 AM

Now this is a totally ignorant statement. Those of us who have health insurance are selfish?


No more ignorant than what people who don't know what they are reading, and nonetheless post just to spew their right wing rhetoric. You aren't from Massachusetts, so, even though you may have health insurance and you may very well be selfish if we go by what you are posting, you didn't vote in the Mass. election.

What I originally posted about this topic was what the pollsters found after the election. You may like it or not, that is not my problem, but the results by precincts indicate very clearly that Brown got his support in the more well to do communities.



So now you are being so arrogant as to think you know what is in the best interest of EVERYONE


That point has been addressed already. It is in the best interest of everybody to have everyone covered by health insurance, otherwise your children will be at risk when they lose their job in the next recession, or whenever an insurance company raises the rates beyond what people can afford, and if the insurance company decides to drop you because you became sick. May be your kids should just pay for it when that day comes.

Older people who voted for Brown, thinking that they were protecting what they have, were voting against the interest of their own children and grandchildren.

If they thought that they were voting for their own interests, then they were voting for selfish reasons, in my honest opinion. I am old enough to go on medicare soon, but I also have young children, and they hopefully will have children one day. I wouldn't like to live thinking that I am voting to deny them the opportunity of being able to afford health insurance should something happen for no fault of their own.
 bliss serendipity
Joined: 12/27/2006
Msg: 68
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Posted: 2/6/2010 11:57:06 AM

Again...reel in the insurance companies and health care costs...but do it without bankrupting your kids before they are even born!


so who do you suggest should rein in the insurance companies? If not the government, then who? The insurance companies have everyone by the short and curly, what to do!!!!

Bliss
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