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 Tima62
Joined: 1/10/2012
Msg: 689
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First off, it does not matter how many she's been with. That's not even something you discuss. The best discussion would be, has she gotten checked, and if not, go with her so you both do so. It's not that serious. Just because she didn't jump into bed with you as doesn't mean she's not into you, it just means she wanted to take things slow. As for having sex without a condom, I recommend you don't. Pill or not, there are still possibilities of her getting pregnant. Safe sex is no sex. Best of luck!
 SacredWestman
Joined: 6/28/2010
Msg: 691
HELP ME - GIRLFRIEND HAS BEEN WITH TOO MANY MEN??
Posted: 1/20/2012 10:53:02 AM
... Seriously, have we lowered the bar so far?
 lotustemple
Joined: 10/23/2011
Msg: 693
HELP ME - GIRLFRIEND HAS BEEN WITH TOO MANY MEN??
Posted: 1/24/2012 10:19:20 PM
As I said, looking for someone with a low partner count is certainly his prerogative, but it's not clear what that has to do with whether or not someone is good relationship material.


Here's some clarity...... Someone with a high partner count is going to be similar to the last guy i had a date with. He explained to me that until recently he was into casual sex and to do so he didn't feel an emotional connection with the mulitude of women with whom he had had sex. He's had an ephipany....god bless him. However i saw him as too high of a risk.

Someone who can disconnect the sex/emotion bond is not someone i would trust with my emotions.

There are always exceptions though and m church consistently shows wisdom and maturity in his posts.
 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
Msg: 694
HELP ME - GIRLFRIEND HAS BEEN WITH TOO MANY MEN??
Posted: 1/24/2012 11:48:16 PM

Someone with a high partner count is going to be similar to the last guy i had a date with.

How do you know that? Because your ex boyfriend told you?

However i saw him as too high of a risk.

In other words, it was you who couldn't make the connection.
 legnakrad
Joined: 11/4/2007
Msg: 695
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Posted: 1/25/2012 5:11:44 AM
I don't think your issue should be with how many men she's been with but instead should be with her lying about it in the first place.
 lotustemple
Joined: 10/23/2011
Msg: 696
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Posted: 1/25/2012 9:57:43 AM
In other words, it was you who couldn't make the connection.


Thats correct. That was a one time date i was referring to not an ex. Self-preservation is a good thing. How can someone not connect with many different women sexually and then decide he is going to connect with someone and have an ltr or marriage?

Behavioral patterns just like integrity are straight across the board. When he does want to connect it is going to questionable at best IMO.
 OCRebellion
Joined: 2/8/2011
Msg: 697
HELP ME - GIRLFRIEND HAS BEEN WITH TOO MANY MEN??
Posted: 1/25/2012 10:20:45 AM
Everyone has a past - a PAST! I don't ask someone how many women he has been with and I don't tell how many men I've been with, because they are with me now and I'm confident enough to know that it doesn't matter. That "number" is truly irrelevant - IMHO. What matters to me is if the person is honest in their present day dealings, ie. with me about intention, if they lie, etc. and if we get to a point if we are going to have sex are they disease free. Regardless of how many people someone has been with, they are a part of their past (let's go with this and not throw in the plethora of other potential scenarios...lol) and they are not with him/her for a reason...regardless of whatever that may be, understand that they are with you now and if they are being honest about their present day dealings with you, that's what is important, that is what truly matters.

Conversely, could there be the potential of a mate to not having had enough partners and/or experiences to have satisfied their curiosity and would that lend itself to a higher potential to lie or cheat because they are not at a point where they can be in a LTR without feeling like have settled, missed out, etc?
 DragonBits
Joined: 1/6/2012
Msg: 698
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Posted: 1/25/2012 12:16:51 PM
OCRebellion, nice words, but the truth is the past does count for most everyone.

If you ask if someone would marry a hooker if she gave up her trade because she found true love, the vast majority would be negative.

I only ask a women if think she has had a low body count. If someone told me they have slept with more than 60 men, I would have to really, really like her to be able to let that go. I would think she lacked an ability for form relationships.

To get upset at 15 like the OP said, that is just silly.
 DragonBits
Joined: 1/6/2012
Msg: 699
HELP ME - GIRLFRIEND HAS BEEN WITH TOO MANY MEN??
Posted: 1/25/2012 12:25:21 PM
abelian


Girls could never do that..

Sure they could. Whose fault is it for accepting double standards?


I don't have a double standard, I wouldn't have sex with another guy even if he was a virgin.
 OCRebellion
Joined: 2/8/2011
Msg: 700
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Posted: 1/25/2012 12:51:52 PM
Dragon...notice that I did say not including the plethora of other scenarios. My response was in the context of the relative quasi loose boundaries of normal'ish...lol, because is anyone really sure of what that is anymore. Being a hooker would fall into the "other" category, for me and my view of normal vs not normal (and others may have a different POV). It has taken a long time and the loss of someone great to realize that the past really does not matter (qualified of course...lol). Perhaps a positive way to look at it is, that you (in general terms) are such the mf'ing bomb to have captured and kept the person that no one else has been able to. You (in general terms) were just "the one." I used to be hung up on the past (the number, comparison, etc) ...and could not shake it, even with a great man that kept telling me, I choose you, I want you, I love you, I want to spend the rest of my life with you...eventually, he got tired of dealing with my insecurity and we split. So not worth it.
 DragonBits
Joined: 1/6/2012
Msg: 701
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Posted: 1/25/2012 1:08:34 PM
ocrebellion, I agree with what you posted. I everyone has to make their own informed decisions.

Who knows what you meant by other scenarios. I know several men that married bargirls, they are happy and it works for them. But that is in another country with a different culture than here. The culture here is very judgemental about sex.

Who knows what normal is? It think the majority of women have slept with less than 15 people, men maybe 20. Women typically under report, men over, but they aren't lying, they just forget exact numbers.

But I know some men that have slept with 10,000 women. They don't have any desire to stop.

If you average everyone together, it typically comes out somehwhere about 4 for women and 8 for men. But that includes such a huge range numbers from virgins, people who marry for life and only 1 to really high numbers.
 OCRebellion
Joined: 2/8/2011
Msg: 702
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Posted: 1/25/2012 1:45:14 PM
So Dragon...I'm 44, about to turn 45. If you used my age as a marker, what would the number be for a woman my age that would be a deal breaker for you?

BTW...yes, this country is very uptight when it comes to sex/sexuality. Which, perhaps, leads us to a completely other discussion in another thread...lol.
 DragonBits
Joined: 1/6/2012
Msg: 703
HELP ME - GIRLFRIEND HAS BEEN WITH TOO MANY MEN??
Posted: 1/25/2012 4:09:26 PM
OCRebellion, oorah, in my face with the mace.

My deal breakers aren't based on how many people (either sex) a women had in the past.

I wouldn't date a virgin in the USA over the age of 25. If someone had only had 3 partners by your age, I would ask questions about why, assuming we had not yet slept together.

If we have sex, it becomes very easy to determine how you respond to most aspects of sex even it we don't go there on that particular occasion. At that point your body count numbers are almost irrelevant.

I did some math on another thread, I have only been dating 4.5 years in the last 40, so asking me what is typical for an actively dating women is something I have no idea about. I seldom ask those I date.

I nearly always ask about their "story". What were the pivotal points in your life, what make you you. I just like finding out about a person.

Based on your story about the man, I would guess your counts are low.

EDIT: BTW, to me anything under 14 is low for someone that activily dates.
 OCRebellion
Joined: 2/8/2011
Msg: 704
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Posted: 1/26/2012 9:30:53 AM
Ahhh Dragon...the politician you are

My count is appropriate / ...and I never tell.
 MikeWM
Joined: 2/7/2011
Msg: 706
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Posted: 1/26/2012 11:45:59 AM
Shes 28 and shes only had sex with 14 guys?

Is she ugly? Frigid? Doesnt like sex? Got married at 14 and divorced at 26? Is she a bible basher?

Theres nothing at all wrong with her other than shes a bit inexperienced

As for you though, if you have a "problem" with that then you either need to find yourself someone who is a bit more frigid than this one or get some therapy to try and sort out your issues regarding sex IMO



 1234deleted1234
Joined: 10/8/2009
Msg: 707
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Posted: 1/27/2012 6:15:42 PM

Someone who can disconnect the sex/emotion bond is not someone i would trust with my emotions.


Wow! I totally am the opposite!
I only want someone who can love with or without sex and can have sex with or without love!

Love and sex are NOT to be exclusive to each other and necessary for both to exist!


How else could you love family and friends if you cannot separate love/sex?

Or as Jesus taught, that we should all love one another....
 Welsh474
Joined: 9/13/2010
Msg: 709
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Posted: 1/27/2012 7:53:38 PM
"If a woman lied to me about her numbers(or anything) then I'd definately dump her...."

This coming from a 50 year old man. Isn't this high school shit. I can't believe anyone in their 40's or 50's would even ask another person "so, how many have you slept with?". It's none of your business, it's not only an assinine question but it's an immature question. I just can't believe that one ADULT would ask another ADULT that question.

I'd like to change the above quote to read "If a man ASKED me about my numers then I'd definately dump him". I have nothing to be ashamed of but it's still no one's business but mine.

We all have a past. If the person I am willing to spend the rest of my life with can't get over the fact that I have a past he is not worthy of my love. And the same goes for me. It's all about the now and not about what either of us were doing 5 years before we met. WhoTF cares. Some folks really need to grow up.
 Welsh474
Joined: 9/13/2010
Msg: 712
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Posted: 1/28/2012 9:00:12 PM
"If a woman lied to me about her numbers(or anything) then I'd definately dump her.."

You try and pay attention - the only reason she would lie about her numbers is because you ASKED her her numbers. My point is WHY would you ask for her numbers.

And you said if she "lied to me about her numbers (or anything) then I'd definately dump her..". So exacty what part of that should I pay attention to? It seems pretty self explainatory. You would dump her if she lied about her numbers...

My opinion is that anyone who asks someone their numbers is an immature idiot.
 GothNerd666
Joined: 12/9/2011
Msg: 716
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Posted: 1/29/2012 4:31:33 PM
I say shoot her XP
 Welsh474
Joined: 9/13/2010
Msg: 717
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Posted: 1/29/2012 7:35:25 PM
My point in all this is why would someone ask such a question - how many have you slept with? IF the person said "that is none of your business" then you think they are being evasive, not up front, have something to hide - assumptions when in all actuality - it is none of your business. IF the person responds and says a number that they think is low enough to make you think they are wonderful and worthy - and they lie - you dump them. IF the person tells the truth and that number is higher than YOU think is reasonable - you think they are a slut and dump them.

The thing is, there is no right answer to a question that is none of your business and shouldn't be asked in the first place.

I was married for 31 years and I never asked my husband how many women he slept with, I knew he had a girlfriend for two years so I'm sure he slept with her but I don't know how many he slept with in casual dating or one night stands. And he never asked me that question either. All I knew was he wasn't a virgin and he knew that I wasn't a virgin. And he didn't ask me that on his death bed either so I'm guessing it was not something that he gave a rat's azz about. So that is why my opinion is that mature, grown adults don't ask that questions - only idiots ask it. But that's my opinion.

Why ask the question - it's none of your business....
 Discerning Virtuosa
Joined: 6/10/2008
Msg: 718
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Posted: 2/1/2012 8:01:24 AM
Welsh474 and many others here - WHERE IS THE LIKE BUTTON?????? Love, love, love some of the comments here. So tired of the immature, shallow, misogynist attitude like the OP's that I hear from some people in this forum - men and women alike.
 archromat
Joined: 3/15/2010
Msg: 721
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Posted: 2/1/2012 1:20:01 PM
Since perception tends to end up your reality, you probably just needed to put your hand over your eyes and give her the benefit of the doubt. It's a disenchanting question to ask that leads only to no good. If you don't find out right away and you start developing feelings, that's your fault.
 fillyphilly
Joined: 5/12/2012
Msg: 723
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Posted: 5/23/2012 10:51:49 AM
Men on here are belligerent if women won't sleep with them by the 3rd date but if a woman sleeps with other men then she's a whore.
Blame yourselves for the double standard.
 Brizzi
Joined: 3/6/2012
Msg: 724
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Posted: 5/23/2012 9:01:08 PM
What if it was reversed and the woman asked...most women say 3 - 7 which is the golden rule of a lie.. more than that is more than likely the truth.. if a females asks me i sadi 3.. for each of the girls i actually loved...but in reality..im hittin close to 100.. i thank the lord im not dead or have a disease or kids.. so if a girl has even 20 on the roster then im cool...now...
 It_might_be_good_if_you
Joined: 4/22/2012
Msg: 725
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Posted: 5/23/2012 11:41:49 PM
Hey, I think I might have hooked up with her. Make that 11.
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