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 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Institutions shouldn't be afforded free speech rights for the simple fact that they are not persons


The Supreme Court doesn't agree with you. I can't think of anything it gives more constitutional protection than political speech. It's very well established that corporations and unions are legal persons. Maybe you also want the Sierra Club and AARP and NARAL to be prohibited from contributing to political campaigns because they speak for more than one individual.

I can't imagine how accumulating wealth could cripple the national economy. Do you think wealthy people don't use their wealth? It's working all the time--as land that's yielding rents, as improvements built on that land, as money loaned to all sorts of other people, at interest, to buy new machinery, expand their plants, hire more employees, develop new technologies, buy houses, and in all sorts of other ways.

I don't care if it's one person or a thousand making the decisions on how best to make a given amount of wealth yield profits. And I don't care how well anyone lives--they can only eat so much, or drive one car, or live in one house, or fly one plane at a time. Whatever they spend on themselves creates even more work--productive work--for all kinds of other people.
 GolfCoast
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 578
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Posted: 3/13/2011 1:29:54 PM
Hoarding? Money goes where its needed and stays where its appreciated. The fact that economic activity has contracted is a function of the theft policies of Obama and Co. They stimulated $800b plus, anyone seen any new roads or bridges from it? No. They've simply paid union wages for the past two years to an unsustainable system seen exposed in Wisconsin, NJ and a place near you soon.

Unions destroy everything they touch, corrupting everyone that benefits, and impovershing those not part of the golden circle.

I give you Detroit. Once one of America's most prosperous cities. Now after 50 years withou a Republican even on the ticket you've got the Hotel Rwanda. Deal with reality not some statist fantasy your HS teacher shared.
 matchlight
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Posted: 3/13/2011 4:48:20 PM

Just because you finally got your legislators from the bench, don't think it will last long.


I'm assuming that's a reference to Citizens United. If so, your prediction's completely uninformed. If you'd read the decision, you'd know the Court, as it usually does, reviewed its other related decisions. They show that for a long time, the Court has recognized campaign contributions by corporations, as a general principle, as speech protected by the First Amendment. That's not even open to question.
 matchlight
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Posted: 3/13/2011 11:48:06 PM

It's understanding what the Pursuit of Happiness really means. It's opportunity, given to all because we are free to act on what we desire, but all individuals are not equal, and will not all be able to succeed at what they want.


JD, it's good to see you back on here--hope everything's going well.

You hit it right on the head. You may know that John Locke had listed "life, liberty, and property" as inalienable rights we're all created with, and that in the Declaration, Jefferson purposely changed "property" to "the pursuit of happiness." And he meant happiness in the earlier sense of good fortune or prosperity.

It points up how much at odds leftists who push for equal *outcomes* instead of equal *opportunities* are with the ideas this country was founded on. They're in the wrong country. Equal outcomes are more what the French Revolution was about, and later what the Soviet Union was supposed to be about.
 fzrhusker
Joined: 10/8/2005
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Posted: 3/14/2011 7:38:25 AM
Jefferson admired Epicurus and owned eight copies of De rerum Natura (On the Nature of Things) by Lucretius, a Roman disciple of Epicurus. In a letter Jefferson wrote to William Short on October 13, 1819, he declared, “I too am an Epicurean. I consider the genuine doctrines of Epicurus as containing everything rational in moral philosophy which Greece and Rome have left us.” At the end of the letter, Jefferson made a summary of the key points of Epicurean doctrine, including:

Moral.—Happiness the aim of life.
Virtue the foundation of happiness.
Utility the test of virtue.

Properly understood, therefore, when John Locke, Samuel Johnson, and Thomas Jefferson wrote of “the pursuit of happiness,” they were invoking the Greek and Roman philosophical tradition in which happiness is bound up with the civic virtues of courage, moderation, and justice. Because they are civic virtues, not just personal attributes, they implicate the social aspect of eudaimonia. The pursuit of happiness, therefore, is not merely a matter of achieving individual pleasure. That is why Alexander Hamilton and other founders referred to “social happiness.” During this political season, as Americans are scrutinizing presidential candidates, we would do well to ponder that.
 fzrhusker
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Msg: 582
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Posted: 3/20/2011 8:03:16 AM
Why Aren’t Arab States – Instead of the U.S., France and Britain – Taking Care of Libya?

Washington’s Blog
March 20, 2011

Gaddafi is a lying psychopath who is slaughtering his own people.

So is the imposition of a no-fly zone a good thing?

Perhaps. The Arab League called for it. And even some Libyan rebels pleaded for imposition of a no-fly zone.

But if someone is going to stop Gaddafi, it should be Arab League nations – like Saudi Arabia, which is armed to the teeth.

America should not be involved, because:

* Most Americans are strongly against U.S. intervention in Libya

* America was already involved in 2+ wars costing the U.S. many trillions of dollars (Nobel prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz says that the Iraq war alone will cost $3-5 trillion dollars.) Indeed, America’s engagement in multiple wars is bankrupting our country – despite the claims by the military Keynesians

* We are creating more terrorists than we’re stopping by bombing and invading Arab countries

* And both conservatives like Ron Paul and liberals like Dennis Kucinich have pointed out that American intervention is unlawful without a Congressional resolution of war … which no one bothered to ask for

So I don’t care whether or not someone imposes a no-fly zone or takes out Gaddafi … but the U.S. shouldn’t be the one to do it, even as part of a coalition with France and Britain.

Indeed, Gaddafi has accused the efforts by the three former colonial powers – U.S., France and Britain – as being “neo-colonial” aggression and a “crusade“.

If Arabic countries were the ones to intervene, Arabs wouldn’t be able to make those charges.



And if Arab countries are not willing to intervene themselves, that speaks volumes as to their true priorities … especially since Saudi Arabia just sent 1,000 troops to Bahrain to help the tyrants in that country brutally put down a pro-democracy protest.
 matchlight
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Posted: 3/20/2011 4:08:51 PM
I'm not sure why Libya's internal affairs affect U.S. interests. Nobody seemed to think Ghadaffi was any great threat for a long time before this resistance began. Why did he suddenly become one then? This president is even more feckless than Jimmy Carter--he's now managed to get into this too late, and with no clear way to get out of it.

A no-fly zone won't do that much--imposing one for ten years over most of Iraq was mostly just an annoyance to Saddam. And even while the n0-fly zone was in effect over the south of Iraq, he still was able to slaughter God knows how many Shiites there.

So apparently the plan includes attacks on tanks, artillery, etc. Ghadaffi might move east to attack the insurgents. But the Libyan military would probably have some antiaircraft weapons going along to protect them. What's Mr. Obama prepared to do, I wonder, if a plane or helicopter's lost and crewmen captured?
 fzrhusker
Joined: 10/8/2005
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Posted: 3/23/2011 6:51:22 AM
Time to clean out congress again, both dems and repubs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aji9ZKevipU&feature=player_embedded#at=234


Hypocrite Biden Threatened Bush Impeachment Over Unconstitutional War

March 23, 2011

How things change. In 2007, then presidential hopeful Biden stated unequivocally that he would work to impeach Bush if he bombed Iran without first gaining congressional approval. Now Biden is dutifully ringing up the royalty in United Arab Emirates and cajoling them to support Obama’s unconstitutional war waged on Libya and kicked off without congressional approval.

Joe didn’t mean it in 2007, of course. He was running for president, after all. The hand-picked minions of the elite who are permitted to pretend they will run the country always tell lies. It’s in their job description. Most Americans understand elections are all about promising the moon and delivering nothing but an IOU. Still, they turn out to vote for these guys.

The elite and their brokers at the United Nations wanted this shabby little war waged against Libya. Biden is simply taking orders, as usual. It does not matter an iota what he said in 2007. And the corporate media, of course, will not hold him to that comment.
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