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 7iron
Joined: 7/5/2008
Msg: 25
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I'm sure that there are some police officers out there who are professional and overall good people but unfortunately there are some who could be described as the worst of the worst and should not be allowed to work in law enforcement but they are and we've all heard many horror stories involving the bad ones. I have to approach any encounter with police as if I'm dealing with the worst of the worst, therefore I'm non-confrontational and just try to get through the ordeal and go on about my business. One thing I've learned in my life is if I'm dealing with an idiot is to not do anything to cause them to over-react and keep the encounter as short as possible.

In my state if you are pulled over by the police you are required to present your CHL along with your driver's license. I've only been pulled over 3 times since I got my CHL but in each instance, once they see the CHL, they write me a warning ticket and let me go.
 Rythmn
Joined: 1/21/2006
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Posted: 2/6/2010 11:51:49 AM
what is a CHL?

the above poster is correct about being given preferential treatment. i suppose without neighborhood bonds, this is a way around it when the police and communities do not know each other.

not sure about CA, but, long ago back east family members were given these "id"s" that cops recognized and would let them off. my sister in law had one and i saw this in action. that is why i say to donate to the police charity such a PAL. put the sticker on your car!!!

one hand washes the other. not saying you will get away with a crime, but when they stop you w/o cause but because you "look" to them as dangerous (the root cause of racial profiling), it has a psychological affect. this is what economics and ghetto making has done to this society, not helped any by commerical television.

on the other hand, i had a foster kid once who was raving in my home and i could not physically restrain her. the police's hands were tied, unless she threatened to kill me or herself. it's a vicious circle. they have responsibilies w/o authority, so they take it out on those they percieve to be weaker.

i know in this "white" area, they are working on racial relations. but, the african american "community" is very smart. they have themselves plastered into all the political power pivots, contribute to all the right causes and know the upper ups. so if racial profiling happens, that they are aware of, they just mosey on down to the upper ups and get it handled. a very smart strategy!

still, we now have to deal with a skinhead population hiding out in our mountains. interestingly, if you now look like a skin head, you too are racially profiled. around here the older guys will shave their heads so as not to look bald. add some tatooes to that and a beach area, and they had better have some liberal stickers on their cars as well! they didn't need the police to get a skinhead couple off the beach. they had nazi tatoos all over them, but their rights "were" violated. if it were me, i'd go and talk to them. yes, i'm jewish but i've worked many different ethnic pockets and i have found that clearing up ignorance goes a long way. it must be a concerted effort and in the beginning, it can be emotionally taxing. but the greater good in the long run is worth it!
 verygreeneyez
Joined: 3/15/2006
Msg: 27
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Posted: 2/6/2010 2:38:56 PM
~OP~ It's true, there is no legal reason to answer and yes, there is search and seizure laws. HOWEVER, federal and state laws protect police personnel with one very simple statement: "Reasonable Cause." Unfortunately? Reasonable is in the mindset of the officer(s.) The precedent has proven time and time again that what it really means? If they wanna mess with you, they likely can and will. Much like illegal search. If in a vehicle and they "think" something isn't quite right ~ they're search and they have the "right" to do so. The only recourse that I know of are clauses involved in Federal Civil Right statutes and those are so very difficult to pursue, that unless the authorities act so egregiously serious injury to mental and/or physical well being is suffered, it's not going to get anywhere.

I don't care to be harassed by any authority figure (or anyone else for the matter) but picking your battles wisely is the best route. In addition, you can't be certain your friend was questioned "for no good reason." Maybe he matched the description of someone they were looking for. That would be well within their rights and he should have just willingly cooperated. Scared or not, the more evasive one is, the more guilty they look JMO
 jelunc
Joined: 8/24/2008
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Posted: 2/6/2010 3:12:53 PM

Actually you will be the one face down on the ground with cuffs on screaming about your "rights" while I chuckle and drive off. Keep the number for that bail bondsman handy. Your going to need it.


Funny, seeing this little line of BS reminded me of the one time that I was pulled over that I did let the officer involved know that he was in the wrong.
We were on private property so (in this state anyway) he had no authority.
He was incorrect in his assertion that I had "cut off his cruiser" as I was on the right and therefore had the right of way.
Was I a bit concerned that when I pulled off the parking lot and into the public way I might regret taking a stand? Sure was... it was just fine, though.
So, you may chuckle, but the world is not POF.
There are means of standing up for yourself against authority figures who are in the wrong.
 Worbug
Joined: 4/23/2009
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Posted: 2/6/2010 5:18:12 PM
Last saturday night, me and another plumber ran a service call for a clogged bath tub for a customer that we have done alot of major work for in the past South Side of Chicago). Innocent enough right. WRONG. Finished the job and upon leaving the customers house was pulled over by the Narcs. we did nothing wrong, seat belts on. Once pulled over, complied in everyway. was ask to exit the vehicle, then hand cuffed in front of everyone and detained on the side of the road for an hour or better while they searched the truck, cross examining us twenty different ways, re checking the truck. Wanting to talk to our customer to verify our explanation for being there.

Neither of us do drugs, no prior records, sqeaky clean in a company lettered truck.

Did not mind the pull over, minded waisting all of my time and degrading me and my friend. also did not look good with the customer, a 72 year old lady.LOL

All of this headache for doing a good deed as we did not charge the lady due to her hard times. No good deed goes unpunished.


So do police over step their boundries, yes, on a daily basis. Can we do anything about when they do. most of the time NO. Look at the recent cases in Chicago where the victims had video coverage of blatant abuse. All lost their cases. Pathetic.

 xxxDINOxxx
Joined: 8/12/2009
Msg: 30
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Posted: 2/6/2010 5:39:29 PM
^^ Well, I'm from here and the CPD (Chgo) is hardly the best model to look up to all the time (just like other big city PD's like NYPD and their abuse and sodomy cases, and LAPD with their past, etc..). Yeah we had this case with this off-duty by the last name of Abbate and he basically just was drunk and rowdy and pummeled this Eastern European girl who was the bartender. He was just wailing on her. This was all caught on tape. He was suspended (with pay initially I believe).

Then when it came time for his trial his "brothers in blue" were blocking off the press from taking pics of him going in and out of the courthouse (because God forbid a cop has to "perp-walk"), and all that kind of fun stuff. Just being typical as*holes basically. Then he was found guilty and finally lost his job, pension, etc; so hopefully he'll be working nights at Home Depot (where a lot of these Chgo cops really belong), but he was given probation for the beating.... Nonsense. Should have thrown him in Cook County Jail.......and since he's obviously so tough, don't give him any "protective custody".
 NurbyDriver
Joined: 7/30/2007
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Posted: 2/6/2010 5:58:59 PM
Okay, first, let's get the terminology right, it's probable cause.

Which segues right in to the reasonable man test, which is something I have used throughout my involvement in law enforcement.

The reasonable man test is just this; would a reasonable man. given the same set of circumstances come to the same conclusion as you and would he reasonably take the same actions. If yes, you are good to go.

Not, what do you know, now, not what did they find out later. What did your training and experience tell you with only what you knew at that moment. Stick to that and you will never go wrong.

Some cops, I admit, seem to take it a little personal, like "I am going to get this guy, I know he's dirty, but can't prove it" type of thing. So they make something up or something trivial, what we used to call hummers, because you look at the report and you go "hmmm, what the hell was he thinking?" And invariably it gets thrown out of court and the officer loses some credibility with that judge, happens often enough, you will never win a case in front of that judge no matter how good your evidence.

You usually find that with rookies and guys in their first few years, we call it the John Wayne syndrome. When I was an FTO I used to tell my rookies "Look, it's not up to you to clean up the world, you're probably right, this guy is dirty as hell, but if you don't have enough to get him, let him walk and avoid the hassle, if he's a criminal, he'll get got, if not by us, by some other cop down the line, and got so bad he will be righteously put away for a long time"

We used to have a mirror at one division I worked leading from the locker room to the briefing room, so we could check our gig lines and uniform, above it was a sign that read "This ain't the movies, and you ain't John Wayne"

Was great for keeping your head on straight just to read that each shift.
 verygreeneyez
Joined: 3/15/2006
Msg: 32
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Posted: 2/7/2010 2:35:38 AM

Okay, first, let's get the terminology right, it's probable cause.

Yes, let's do that, K? Here ya go:


REASONABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE
To have knowledge of facts which, although not amounting to direct knowledge, would cause a reasonable person, knowing the same facts, to reasonably conclude the same thing.

http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/q015.htm
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Reasonable suspicion is a legal standard in United States law that a person has been, is, or is about to be engaged in criminal activity based on specific and articulable facts and inferences. It is the basis for an investigatory or Terry stop by the police and requires less evidence than probable cause, the legal requirement for arrests and warrants. Reasonable suspicion is evaluated using the "reasonable person" or "reasonable officer" standard, in which said person in the same circumstances could reasonably believe a person has been, is, or is about to be engaged in criminal activity; such suspicion is not a mere hunch. Police may also, based solely on reasonable suspicion of a threat to safety, frisk a suspect for weapons, but not for contraband like drugs. A combination of particular facts, even if each is individually innocuous, can form the basis of reasonable suspicion. Reasonable suspicion is also sometimes called "arguable suspicion".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_suspicion


The reasonable man test is just this; would a reasonable man. given the same set of circumstances come to the same conclusion as you and would he reasonably take the same actions. If yes, you are good to go.

And who deems YOU or anyone else "reasonable" at any given moment? You (or the hypothetical cop in this instance) is hyped up, something doesn't "feel" right, he "feels" something is amiss, John Q. Public is "acting" suspicious (in said cops mind), so he can deem his own self "reasonable" when I might find John Q. Public's actions completely within normal means. Hence: it's up to the cop ~ no governing body.


You usually find that with rookies and guys in their first few years, we call it the John Wayne syndrome.

Interesting to me how it's so minimized by those who are "of that ilk." WE (whoever WE are in my profession) call it: Civil Rights Violation.

JMO
 luckyhot777s
Joined: 12/26/2008
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Posted: 2/7/2010 3:22:46 AM
Op...reading your stuff on here, you don't seem very happy....I think some people buy into the hype that comes their way...they reflect this to everyday things that happen to all of us and think it only happens to them or their race, etc...leaving them feeling short changed, etc...

Trust me...Jessie only did it for the money...workings a ****....

If you want to change shoe's for a while...gladly do it, you can start at the beginning of my life and live it up to where we are now...

Afterwards....if you survive....I'm sure you will glad to be your old self again...life is short, enjoy it for a while.

Maybe the ones with money from the Ossie and Harriot family's have it made, but for the rest of us, we go thru the same as you or worse...the difference is we don't get to publicly complain, and special programs, and etc to make any difference in our lives...we just have to bear thru it, while others reap in the benefits., and wonder why we can't get a little break now and then.

I had to consult an attorney just to see if it were legal for me to post this.
 want to travel
Joined: 7/29/2006
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Posted: 2/7/2010 8:20:19 AM
generally in canada you have proof your identity, and a police officer can make you identify yourself, as far as our rights are go, we also have to have some cash, and they do have a right to ask
 NurbyDriver
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Posted: 2/7/2010 9:29:30 AM

The reasonable man test is just this; would a reasonable man. given the same set of circumstances come to the same conclusion as you and would he reasonably take the same actions. If yes, you are good to go.

And who deems YOU or anyone else "reasonable" at any given moment? You (or the hypothetical cop in this instance) is hyped up, something doesn't "feel" right, he "feels" something is amiss, John Q. Public is "acting" suspicious (in said cops mind), so he can deem his own self "reasonable" when I might find John Q. Public's actions completely within normal means. Hence: it's up to the cop ~ no governing body.


:rooleyes: Jesus, you really do have to lead some people by the hand in this world.

Number one, in law enforcement it always has, and is, referred to as 'probable cause'- Did you have probable cause to take the actions you did, please don't tell me what terminology is used in the profession I've been in for 20 years, thanks so much!

The reasonable man test is not contingent on anyone's state of mind at the time, it's measured in court, looking at the totality of the circumstances and judging if a reasonable man would come to the same conclusion and react in a similar fashion.

And who said anyone was hyped up? I don't get hyped up for much, certainly not on a traffic or pedestrian stop. I approach, say hello, even introduce myself and ask a couple questions, then go from there based on their responses. I use the words please and thank you, no one is hyped up.

If something does happen then in my report I articulate that I saw this, he said that, was acting in a certain way or had certain physical clues (sweating, agitation or other objective symptoms) and based on my observations, training and experience I came to conclusion X and therefore did action Y. Whatever that might be.

You people watch way too much CSI and Law and Order LOL.
 verygreeneyez
Joined: 3/15/2006
Msg: 36
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Posted: 2/7/2010 4:18:34 PM

Number one, in law enforcement it always has, and is, referred to as 'probable cause'- Did you have probable cause to take the actions you did, please don't tell me what terminology is used in the profession I've been in for 20 years, thanks so much!

And don't tell me that the terminology I've used for just as long (professionally) isn't part of law. You might have been able to arrest and ticket and even shoot someone, but it's people such as myself that take your mistakes and correct them.

The reasonable man test is not contingent on anyone's state of mind at the time, it's measured in court, looking at the totality of the circumstances and judging if a reasonable man would come to the same conclusion and react in a similar fashion.

Which is EXACTLY why I happen to know MORE of the terminology than you do. How much continuing education have you done? How many case law citings that overturn and/or throw out your arrests do you even remember? How many statutes (from your own state) can you site verbatim in order to assure you are actually charging an offense correct so as NOT to blow your version of things when in court? You aren't the only person with a profession. You are, it would appear, unaware that other people have a professional life that is opposite and reactive to yours.

If something does happen then in my report I articulate that I saw this, he said that, was acting in a certain way or had certain physical clues (sweating, agitation or other objective symptoms) and based on my observations, training and experience I came to conclusion X and therefore did action Y. Whatever that might be.

Again, it's YOUR interpretation of the sequence of events. Somewhere between your version and the defendant's version is the TRUTH.

You people watch way too much CSI and Law and Order LOL.

Sorry, I don't watch trash TV.
 barbee1970
Joined: 12/29/2008
Msg: 37
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Posted: 2/7/2010 4:54:26 PM
I get stopped too later at nigh and I am a white female. I note that I am not speeding, so I ask "what did I do?". Note to officers, I am an adult, I have no curfew.

The last one I believe was badge heavy. He was following me. I changed lanes as Archer/79th forks off. First he said I was weaving when in fact I signalled and changed lanes. He was going by what his partner said--They were going on an exit ramp and when I changed lanes he come after me. Then he said I may have been drinking, which I don't. They are looking to get their quotas in so they want to write as many tickets as possible. There are Barney Fifes out there trying to make a name for themselves.
 Lint Spotter
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Posted: 2/7/2010 5:50:00 PM
Most places have a 'stop and identify' law that requires that if you are asked questions that are reasonable at the time and under the circumstances, you are required by law to respond reasonably. If you refuse, you can then be detained for obstruction of justice... the justice of ensuring the safety of the people in the neighbourhood that you're being detained in...

So as you tell him that he doesn't have to give any information to an officer, you might be setting him up for a heap of trouble.

Ignorance of the law is not an excuse to break that law.
 whothehellknows
Joined: 7/23/2006
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Posted: 2/7/2010 6:08:59 PM

I was furious and indignant. I told him he didn't have to give anything - his name, his address, anything, and that he had a right not to give them anything. Why would you give personal information to someone on the street, just because they jumped out of car and accosted you and you did nothing wrong? They didn't arrest him, didn't tell him why they stopped him, didn't say they were looking for anyone. I think they wanted to know why a young(ish) black male was on the street so late at night.


I do believe citizens are required to answer to types of question from police officers. Now granted they are not supposed to just stop random citizens and harass them, but they can make up any excuse as to why they stopped him (speeding, running traffic lights, suspicious activity, etc). Be nice to the cops, answer their questions, and then take it up with the elected politicians of the city (like the mayor, council members, etc).
 NappyKAT
Joined: 7/2/2008
Msg: 40
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Posted: 2/7/2010 6:10:04 PM

Most places have a 'stop and identify' law that requires that if you are asked questions that are reasonable at the time and under the circumstances, you are required by law to respond reasonably. If you refuse, you can then be detained for obstruction of justice... the justice of ensuring the safety of the people in the neighbourhood that you're being detained in...
and yall are ok with this? Becaus you think it protects you? WTF? Sounds more and more like a police state.

This is becoming to look more and more like the frog in the frying pan scenario. Jim Rennie's home town under the Dome.

Before we realize how much our rights are taken away in the effect to 'protect' - it will be too late. And ya dam skippy I don't want nobody coming up to me asking me my name, where I'm going, and who I live with - unless I call you to give a report on a crime.
 Lint Spotter
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Posted: 2/7/2010 6:13:31 PM

and yall are ok with this?
I'm more than ok with this... I'm in favour of such a law. After all, I have nothing to hide so the law in fact does protect me from the people that do have something to hide...
 REDDRAGON.
Joined: 10/9/2008
Msg: 42
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Posted: 2/7/2010 6:14:57 PM

What about while driving? If they stop you on 'suspicion' can they legally make you get out and search your car? I heard they have to get permission and that you can say 'no' to a search request, but many people don't do that because it might makes the cops even more suspicious and try to hurt or arrest you. Isn't that illegal? How far can stopping a person on 'suspicion' go?



I use to be a drug runner...


You can tell them NO!! You may not search my vehicle with out a search warrant depending on what state you are in

most of them depending on the reason you were stopped usually let you carry on.
 xxxDINOxxx
Joined: 8/12/2009
Msg: 43
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Posted: 2/7/2010 7:11:04 PM
I don't want to get hassled by them , naturally; who does? But at the same time, if I have nothing illegal in my car, I wouldn't mind them taking a look I suppose. I know technically they need a warrant perhaps, and there's the fear of drug-planting and this and that, but realistically why would some crooked cops pick me out to plant drugs on ?? So I probably wouldn't freak out if they wanted to take a look and they offered me a valid-sounding reason why (eg, there had just been a crime committed nearby with a similar-looking car as mine and a suspect matching my look more or less -- then I'd say sure, let's get that cleared up, it wasn't me).

I'm not one to be a real jag to them unless they really treat me that way first. Like with anyone, you get back what you give. If they give respect and courtesy, I respond in kind. If they come out with a bad attitude, likewise. So I'll answer questions , if asked, about where I'm going or whatever; I'm not going to sit there and say, Why do you have to know? , etc. But usually with traffic stops I've been involved in , in any case, these kinds of questions (much less car searching and so on) have not really been asked of me anyway.
 JWG86
Joined: 7/5/2008
Msg: 44
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Posted: 2/10/2010 12:59:02 PM
I know a lot about what goes on in town here and am leery of many officers as well. That being said, if they want to ask me questions, I politely answer them. It beats the alternative.

Their questions are not harming me in any way other than taking a bit of my time. Yes, it is annoying to sacrifice this time, but I would rather spend a little time answering innocent questions about "Can I search your car? than I would saying "No" and having them detain me until a K9 unit can be brought in or something.

Where was your friend? There are places a young white male like myself will be escorted out of the area by police, or stopped for suspicion of wrong-doing as well.

Officers more and more are wired and taped from their mikes to their cruiser dash-cams. The days of police brutality and bullying are not done, but they are getting harder and harder to cover up. An officer can only have a "malfunctioning dash-cam" so often...
 jelunc
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Posted: 2/10/2010 1:14:21 PM

Their questions are not harming me in any way other than taking a bit of my time.


Just playing devil's advocate here, I have always been lucky enough in this lifetime to be able to look at cop's as my friends and able to teach my nice pale skinned babies that cops were folks to look to for help.
However, thinking that all that is being done is wasting a bit of time is not literally true.
Each person who doesn't at least ask why did you stop me, is there something I can help you with? aids in the development of the idea that the uniform means more power than it should.
I am not saying have an attitude, the opposite is the best route to follow, there is no reason though not to politely remind that officer who stops you to ask questions that he/she should have a reason.
If they are looking for someone who has just committed a crime a citizen should be made aware of that fact; especially if they are on foot. Just a thought.
 JWG86
Joined: 7/5/2008
Msg: 46
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Posted: 2/10/2010 6:08:34 PM
Just playing devil's advocate here, I have always been lucky enough in this lifetime to be able to look at cop's as my friends and able to teach my nice pale skinned babies that cops were folks to look to for help.
However, thinking that all that is being done is wasting a bit of time is not literally true.
Each person who doesn't at least ask why did you stop me, is there something I can help you with? aids in the development of the idea that the uniform means more power than it should.
I am not saying have an attitude, the opposite is the best route to follow, there is no reason though not to politely remind that officer who stops you to ask questions that he/she should have a reason.
If they are looking for someone who has just committed a crime a citizen should be made aware of that fact; especially if they are on foot. Just a thought.


One does not have to demand answers of an officer to maintain that they are being considerate of the officer instead of subservient. When an officer causes me to take time out of my day, I make it a point to look him/her in the eyes, and politely greet them with "Hello officer, how are you today?" Do not reach out to, or try to shake hands with the officer like you would someone else. This is an aggressive movement in their book and will immediately put them on the defensive. Weapon retention and creating distance with unknowns is very heavily ingrained in them, and ever OIS they hear about ingrains it deeper still.

Automatically, that officer is now responding to me, and not the other way around. I have initiated interaction on a positive note and the officer, 9 times out of 10, will respond in a similar manner, meaning that the tone for the interaction we are about to have has not only been set, but set by me.

Next, I shut up and look at the officer. Their turn to talk. At this point, they are forced to either walk away, or explain to me what their purpose is. Depending on their purpose (was I speeding? Are they informing me that they like my car and noticed a tail-light is out? Are they conducting a random DWI test?) the interaction will proceed.

Noone can ever ensure that an officer will treat them respectfully, but I have found that the method I detailed above allows me to: Initate control of the situation, set a positive tone, present myself in a respectable manner before an officer who may doubt my reputation, as he/she does not know me, and to start establishing rapport with that person.

Things an officer will do during a traffic stop: Ask where you live. Ask if you have any weapons in the car. Ask if there is anything in the car "that they should know about".

All of these things have several goals.

One, the officer is concerned with their safety. Cops are not the most popular people, and they know it. Your car could hold any number of hazards to their health.

Two, an officer will make any excuse he/she can to allow themselves voluntary access to your vehicle. This allows them to possibly turn a busted tail-light stop into a coke bust. I have had officers confiscate (temporarily) inane objects such as batons and pocketknives and whatnot from my vehicle only because they wanted to rummage through my glove box. There is no way a state-trooper with a P220 and a IIIA vest who is my size is going to worry about a collapsible 17" baton 30 feet away in my vehicle. Nonetheless, the officer was adament about retrieving it. During which he did indeed rummage through my vehicle briefly.

I have nothing in my glove box that I care if they see, so I let them. If it makes them feel empowered, who cares? More likely, he's just following SOP and trying to root out some pot or something that might be in a college-kids car. Contrary to popular belief, a speeding ticket doesn't matter a hill of beans to a cop. They want a drug-bust or something they can hang their hat on and feel good about. Everyone drives 10 over now and then and they know it. Only the jackasses get off on giving a ticket for that stuff. Everyone else is just using it to pull you over and wheedle their way into your car--and they hope--a REAL traffic stop.

 paulmag
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Msg: 47
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Posted: 2/13/2010 6:04:45 PM
Sorry but they can stop you and ask you your name and address...If you refuse, you could be charged with obstruction..Perhaps there was a person fitting your friends description involved in another incident..which the officer is not obligated to inform him off. though most would, out of common curtisy..In regards to your car..that also can be searched under probable cause..did they smell alcohol,Weed, thought they saw a weapon..You can fight it at a later date, but you may spend a night in a cell prior to you getting your day in court..Plus after your night in jail you could be released with conditions, until your trial date..If you breach those conditions then you are on a slippery slope. Even without your breach charge being heard your case will take six to nine months..You will have several court appearances as you are pleading not guilty, so you get spanked for that.Then when you resolve that obstruction charge, you still have the breach charge to fight.So round and round you go again.Our system has flaws, its not perfect but its all we have at this point in time..Good Luck...I work part time for the System, and we think it sucks also..
 Spitfire1956
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Posted: 2/13/2010 6:47:56 PM
( the cute ones can get by with that..but if your older, or not so cute...then the story is usually different)
 Worbug
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Posted: 2/14/2010 6:59:29 PM
A Story some will like.

A few years back I was living on my boat in the marina after my divorce. Well the marina had a bar in it that was pretty popular in the area, also well known for the element that hung in there on the weekends.

One weekend, an off duty Cop was in there with his girl friend. He was a little dweeb with Napoleon syndrome, well he decided to inform the people, who would not eat any shit from him, that he was a police officer from a bordering city. Guess what, BAD move on his part. He got to experience what all you punk police officers pull on the innocent when you are on duty.

Heard from one of the Chicago Cops I know (Who is also a pri$#) , that his injuries were pretty severe, Broke his jaw and nose, both eye sockets, numerous ribs, somehow his ankle. Plus some other stuff. Got a long vacation LOL.

When I had walked to the bar from my slip, they were putting him in an ambulance, I had never heard a grown man cry and moan like that before.

From what I was told no body helped him, they said everyone, I mean everyone cheered.

Of course for the next month, everyday I would return home/slip after work, the dumb a$#es would be sitting in unmarked cars around the bend, they even tried to be slick, and sit in the bar like patrons, didn’t work, you could smell the “D#@head” on therm. LOL

This incident does not make up for the injustice done by numerous police offers, but it’s a good start.

Would I have helped if I was in the bar, most likely not, the police harass so many people, flexing the badge with their smart A$$ coments knowing you cannot stand up for yourself, that most deserve this.
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