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 Earthpuppy
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Four out of 200 BC first nations were bought out to provide an illusion of legitimacy and cover for the Olympics organizers according to many. There are Apples in every tribe and some tribes are concocted to be useful Apples. It only took a few Apples to sign the papers for the Trail of Tears removal in the South of the US. It only takes a few bad Apples to set up a mafia controlled casino on tribal lands. (Apples...Red on the outside, white on the inside.) The same Apple strategy of divide and conquer appears to be at work in BC. I don't fully grasp the outrage of the protesters at this point, but I am trying to understand and hope to hear more diverse voices from Canadians.

If anyone is in the least interested, there are other First Nations views on this debacle.
http://liberatedyet.blogspot.com/2008/02/apples-not-applause-for-afn.html
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Indigenous women From the Native 2010 Resistance poured bags of apples onto the podium where National Chief Phil Fontaine was announcing “First Nations participation and volunteer opportunities with the 2010 Olympics”. Like apples, Phil Fontaine and the Four Host First Nations sell-out chiefs are red skinned but white on the inside, bargaining off Indigenous lands for profit. Fontaine tried to keep his composure, his podium filled with apples as Native women yelled in front of his face “No Olympics on Stolen Native Land!” and told the small crowd “You should all be ashamed of yourselves for contributing to the rape and destruction of Mother Earth!.”

Indigenous resistance against the games has been snowballing as more are learning about Olympic industrial development and destruction taking place on Skwxwú7mesh-ulh (Squamish), Lil’wat, St’at’imc, Stölo, Nlaka'Pamux, and Secwepemc Native Lands.

While the Four Host First Nations claim to have avid support, the room that the media event took place in was nearly empty for the first 20 minutes and filled to a measly 15 people with only one media personnel to take advantage of the ‘photo op’. There was also no security at the event or around the hotel during the affair.
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 OMG!WTF!
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Posted: 2/14/2010 9:00:22 AM

Four out of 200 BC first nations were bought out to provide an illusion of legitimacy and cover for the Olympics organizers according to many.


Four out of 200 BC first nations bands claim ownership of the lands involved in the Olympic events. That's why they have been dealing with the four bands, not two hundred.


But such concerns (destruction of territorial lands) don't seem to be troubling some B.C. Native leaders. Bill Williams, hereditary chief of the Squamish Nation, is a member of the chief executive board of the Four Host First Nations Society, a group of chiefs and council members from the four First Nations groups on whose land Olympic events are scheduled to be held. He argued that there was no reason any Native Canadian, or even Native American, should be excluded from the opportunities provided by the 2010 Olympics.

The Olympics will require a staff of 75,000 people, while the entire Squamish Nation is only 3,500 people, Williams pointed out. "So what we've done, as the Four Host First Nations, is ask other organizations…to step forward and be involved."


The argument is that native lands are going to be ruined and native people won't be able to continue hunting or living the traditional life. But in reality, most, if not all of the olympic venues were already developed. I've rarely seen native hunters in Whistler. The Sea to Sky highway was deadly and needed to be rebuilt anyway. The cross country ski venues were all in use prior to the olympics. Vancouver really didn't need any more water front condos but you might as well build something sellable in the future.


Like apples, Phil Fontaine and the Four Host First Nations sell-out chiefs are red skinned but white on the inside, bargaining off Indigenous lands for profit


I'm never going to feel guilty about watching a Washington Redskins game again.
 Kelso
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Posted: 2/15/2010 4:03:17 PM

Other than the somewhat unsettling Huckleberry Finn...


As a Canadian, even I was surprised at the depth of meaning contained within the opening ceremonies of the Winter Olympics. The program attempted to tell the story of the formation and history of the country Without some knowledge of Canadian history, it would have been difficult to follow. As well, those of us watching the ceremonies on Canada's CTV had the benefit of hearing commentary on what the various "scenes" were going to be about.

If, OP, "Huck Finn" is in reference to the part of the program with the boy running through the grass (and "viewing if from above" as he would have while "daydreaming") please don't feel confused. Without the announcers commentary, even I would have wondered about it. That "scene" was about the Canadian prairies, and was based on the Saskatchewan born author W. O. Mitchell's book Who Has Seen the Wind. Mitchell's work, and certainly this particular book, were required reading for those of us attending high school in the 70s while growing up in Saskatchewan, and perhaps elsewhere in the country. Having an understanding of his work, and that book, made that part of the program much more understandable, and enjoyable. (W. O. Mitchell grew up on the "short grass prairies" of southern Saskatchewan during the thirties. Who Has Seen the Wind is about a boy growing up at that time and wasting his days ('daydreaming') while spending his time hanging out on the open prairie, not unlike many young boys at that age, including Huckleberry Finn, just with a different setting.)


Thank you for shouldering such a disproportionate share of the load in Afghanistan...


Thank you for knowing and recognizing this. Few in the world are as aware....


Could you have imagined this a half dozen years ago?


Yes, it has happened previously, and will occur again in the future. And just as our respective country's hockey players will continue to play great hockey, our respective politicians will continue to play "great" politics.


Now... we can get back to extracting your vast resources.


We've been a willing seller of every barrel or ton you've purchased - and as far as I know you've paid the world price each time. Thank you.


In all seriousness: Thanks, Merci,


You are most welcome. Hopefully you'll be able to view the beauty of this land and it's people in person someday.

Oh, and as for the "Peter Pan" part OP. Well....... that too has deep meaning. You'll have to consult the history of one of our earliest Olympic snowboarders and the "B.C. bud" that he and his friends use to smoke. There's actually quite a bit of "flying" that occurs in southern B.C. ;)
 JWG86
Joined: 7/5/2008
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Posted: 2/15/2010 8:49:08 PM
Maybe it's just me, but is the Olympics just not the event it used to be? I remember it used to be a big deal when I was in highschool. People did papers on it, talked about it in class, etc. Now the only thing I hear are a few snickers about how "Canada can't get it up". What happened to this once popular international event?
 Super Ryan
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Posted: 2/17/2010 7:01:30 PM

Terry Fox's contributions to cancer research, awareness, and his dedication to Canada were snubbed

What are you talking about? His mother was a flag bearer. Sorry there wasn't some long tribute video, but he was not snubbed.

Also, Wayne????

He is probably the most famous Canadian athlete of all time. He holds tons of NHL records, he has consistently donated his time and money to Canadian causes. He put the team together that won Canada's first gold in hockey in over 50 years.
And let's not forget, Reagan offered to trade Texas for Gretzky.

I hear he's an azz to work with (according to an acquaintance who was on the Coyotes when Wayne was coach).

I don't think you will find a coach in the history of the NHL that didn't have a few players think they were an "azz".
The job of a coach is to push players to their maximum potential. They don't do it just with words of encouragement, they need to put them through hell with bag skates, and sometimes by benching players who are slacking off.
But just because someone is an "azz", does not mean they did not contribute to Canada. Heck, Terry Fox was near impossible to work with, he fired his own best friend. And Rick Hanson went though staff faster than gloves. The truth is, most people who get to the top did it with a hard-nose attitude, nice guys usually do finish last (Bilodeau seems like a nice exeption).

I thought the choices for final torch bearers was well chosen (I was a little surprised with Nash, but hey he was top of a sport not usually associated with Canada, even though a Canadian invented it), and I can't think of a Canadian more deserving then Gretzky to be the final torch bearer. Remember the Olympics are about the athletes.
 Super Ryan
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Posted: 2/17/2010 8:00:16 PM
If you are curious about ticket prices, you can seem them all here:
http://www.vancouver2010.com/olympic-tickets/olympic/ticket-prices/#ice-hockey

Opening ceremonies were the most expensive at $1100 for A grade, down to $175 for D grade (probably behind a pole in the nose bleeds).
Men's hockey is the next most expensive, from $50 for C grade preliminaries, up to $775 for A grade gold medal game.
Several events have tickets for under $40, and medal ceremonies are only $22.

So yes, some events have crazy prices, but some are quite reasonable. And don't forget, they are trying to pay for everything in two weeks, and demand is quite high.
 wings on my butt
Joined: 2/9/2009
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Posted: 2/17/2010 8:36:07 PM
Honestly I have never been the least bit interested in the Olympics. What is the big fuss? What a waste of money that could be better used in other areas.
 Super Ryan
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Posted: 2/17/2010 9:32:36 PM

Sorry ....... but once the luger was killed ...... I stopped watching !!!
Apparently ..... So has the rest of the world ...............

Actually the U.S. ratings have the figure skating pulling a 15 share of American viewers, which is about 30,000,000 American viewers.
And the Vancouver games have the third highest ratings of any Winter Olympics, behind the Salt Lake City Games, and when Nancy and Tanya skated in Lillehammer in 1994, and there is still over a week to go.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-15/vancouver-olympic-television-ratings-remain-above-turin-games.html
But don't let facts get in the way of your opinion. Maybe FoxNews has a spot for you.
 wings on my butt
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Msg: 25
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Posted: 2/18/2010 2:17:27 PM
That kind of attitude has always driven me bonkers.



If you are gonna let a little thing like someone Else's opinion drive you bonkers then you are going to have a rough road in life. I am entitled to not have any interest in the Olympics and I am also entitled to think it's a waste of money. My opinions will not change anything either way. The Olympics will still go on and host cities will still waste money like mad so really what does it matter?

Honestly don't let little things like a different opinion drive you insane because when the big important things happen that actually matter you are gonna end up on the water tower with a gun picking off people.




Then don't watch. No one is forcing you to watch or attend.



Thanks for the advice but I don't. Why would I watch or attend something that I find boring? Honestly people really have to learn that not everyone has the same views and opinions without flipping out over the differences.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 26
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Posted: 2/18/2010 3:10:38 PM
I think the IOC is the most corrupt organization in the world; I think the emphasis on winning at the Olympics has lead to athletes dying young; I think the cheating and vote trading at the judged events combined with the doping sends the message that "Cheaters win and winners cheat."

I don't support the Olympics. I think it stopped being a positive influence in '72.

But I have to help pay for it. I'm glad everyone is enjoying my city for 2 weeks, but that's small comfort for the nasty budget and series of budgets we're facing for a decade to come.
 Lint Spotter
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Posted: 2/18/2010 3:15:31 PM

But I have to help pay for it. I'm glad everyone is enjoying my city for 2 weeks, but that's small comfort for the nasty budget and series of budgets we're facing for a decade to come.


Seriously... get off your high horse about this... what they're pumping into the economy there makes the cost miniscule in comparison. Add to that most of this was paid for by sponsorship and not taxation and it just sounds incredibly pathetic to bytch and complain.
 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 2/18/2010 3:20:18 PM
First - almost all the corporate money and broadcast rights money goes to the incredibly corrupt IOC.

Second - it's 2 weeks. How much revenue do you think can be generated by 2 weeks of hotel rooms and restaurant meals?

Finally - see the post above mine. It's not a high horse. I am expected to pay the bill. I have a right to complain about it. I disagree with the Olympics period. I don't think we should be sending athletes. The fact that I'm on the hook for the bill just pisses me off more.
 Lint Spotter
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Posted: 2/18/2010 3:39:57 PM

First - almost all the corporate money and broadcast rights money goes to the incredibly corrupt IOC.
I'm not even thinking of the money that the broadcasters are making and it's simply your opinion that the IOC is corrupt.

Second - it's 2 weeks. How much revenue do you think can be generated by 2 weeks of hotel rooms and restaurant meals?
So there was no prep work that generated jobs and income there for the past couple of years? Incredibly, you were prepared to host the olympics and threw it together in a couple of days in advance?

The fact that I'm on the hook for the bill just pisses me off more.
http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/sport/costs-and-benefits-of-the-olympics/

Seriously... you are ill informed as to the benefits that your area is receiving because of the games. Disagree all you want, but there are many other areas that would give anything to have the benefits that this has brought to you because it far outweighs the costs.
 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 2/18/2010 3:50:57 PM
I'm not going to follow your links, because there have actually been studies done on Salt Lake City, Lake Placid and Turin on the economic costs and benefits (Hell, I'm not even bringing up Sarajevo), and it's not good. Seriously, have you considered going to Salt Lake City in winter for a vacation because of what you saw?

It's not my opinion that the IOC is corrupt. There are mountains of evidence of that. It's like saying it's my opinion that slavery existed in the Confederate States. All the money paid by broadcasters and corporate sponsors goes to the IOC, and a little bit of that is dribbled to the host city.

This is the Vancouver/Whistler games. Hotels in Vancouver go from 60% occupancy to 100% occupancy for a couple of weeks. Whistler is always booked solid all winter, so that occupancy rate doesn't change.
 Super Ryan
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Posted: 2/18/2010 5:18:30 PM
Just another note on the American ratings for the games.
For the first time in 6 years, American Idol was the second highest rated program, behind the Olympics.
 Super Ryan
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Posted: 2/18/2010 7:03:54 PM
How the heck did the Swiss hockey team get so good.
Aren't they usually fighting to stay out of relegation? And tonight they pushed Canada to the shoot-out.
I'm glad to see the Swiss program becoming top tier, just not when they play Canada.
 Outdoor2
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Posted: 2/19/2010 1:01:22 AM
First off....Thanks, OP...much appreciated....

Thought is was a class act when the S.and B. medalists whipped up the crowd to cheer on M. Richer on winning the gold in the flower ceremony.

That she won was awesome! That her rivals cheered her on....well....it just doesn't get better that that! You can see that in many, if not most, of olympic and world cup competitions...many of them are very close friends....roommate together on the world cup circuit...egg each other on...the comradadrire they share helps each of them to attain there best.....
 Lint Spotter
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Posted: 2/19/2010 4:51:16 AM

Whistler is always booked solid all winter, so that occupancy rate doesn't change.
Really... then why is a Whistler resort being sold for bankruptcy?

http://slycapital.wordpress.com/2010/01/21/whistler-ski-resort-to-be-sold-at-bankruptcy-auction-during-olympics/

Read it or not... the area needed an infusion of money to survive the recession... unfortunately it still looks like it was too little too late.
 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 2/19/2010 7:26:52 AM
Whistler is not having financial problems. The investment fund that bought Intrawest a few years ago - Fortress - is going under. It's New York based and had lots of money to throw around a couple of years ago. Intrawest is a solid company and was an attractive buy for them.

Please don't keep throwing out nonsense.
 OMG!WTF!
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Posted: 2/19/2010 7:29:11 AM

Really... then why is a Whistler resort being sold for bankruptcy?


Intrawest owns a bunch of resorts, not just Whistler. Whistler happens to be the one that actually makes money so of course all the debtors want to realize their interest in that particular asset rather than the other, less profitable ones. If Whistler wasn't worth anything, they'd allow business to continue as usual and scrape off whatever income they could from operations. But it is a gem, is completely booked all winter and likely worth enough to cover the debt incured from the other resorts.


I'm not going to follow your links, because there have actually been studies done on Salt Lake City, Lake Placid and Turin on the economic costs and benefits (Hell, I'm not even bringing up Sarajevo), and it's not good. Seriously, have you considered going to Salt Lake City in winter for a vacation because of what you saw?


Ya, why bother reading anything else? Olympics can be very profitable for the hosts. I live in Calgary and hundreds of athletes have moved to our city or stay for extended periods here to use our facilities which remain world class after 20 years. We've hosted several world cup events at many different venues and managed to even make money during the games themselves. There's nothing inherently unfrofitable about hosting olympic games. BC is well, mmmmm, let's say, not known for being shrewd economically.
 thatusernameistaken
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Posted: 2/19/2010 8:52:49 AM
There should have been a separate thread for all the negative nancies to post their thoughts in. The OP came here to put up his nice thoughts on Canada and the Olympics and some of you chose to make it a debate on native land claims, budgets and sport safety. Piss off comes to mind.

Thank you to the OP.
 wings on my butt
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Posted: 2/19/2010 1:58:18 PM
Yep a separate thread should be done for those who are anti Canada/anti Olympics. They can take their whining there.


A whiner whining about the whiners.^^^^^^

Oh and I am Canadian so how the heck can I be anti Canadian. As for being anti Olympics I wouldn't say I am. As I said I think they are stupid, boring and pointless but I also said that they are going to go one forever regardless of what I think.I am just glad that I do not own property in British Columbia.



Gee I wish I had so much time on my hands to complain.



For someone who thinks she does not have enough time on her hands to complain you sure are doing a very good imitation of it here.
 HalftimeDad
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Msg: 39
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Posted: 2/19/2010 2:02:04 PM
Yup, the irony was so overwhelming it rendered me speechless.
 Double Cabin
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Posted: 2/19/2010 3:10:36 PM
Kelso,

Thank you for clearing up that little bit of weirdness for me. I'm sure I'll ingest it much better on the page, thanks for some summer reading.

I've got to agree with Haltime on the IOC. Like many in this life of ours those people make far more money than they should and prevent the Olympics from being much greater than it already is. The Olympics have substituted for battlefields, they are greatness and deserve more respect then they've gotten in recent years IMHO.

As to 'I'm with the Natives [indigenous, whatever the young lady said] on this one.: Which ones? There is not an honest person that doesn't admit to the atrocities of Europeans on this continent. There's also not an honest person that doesn't understand the last 6 centuries let alone any of them will be erased from history. We can't get anywhere if we don't understand what it takes to get there.

The only negative for me when it comes to Canada is that so many of my countrymen simply can't appreciate how great a friend our northern neighbor has been. That and the fact many of you sound like you're from Milwaukee.
 ItsMargo
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Posted: 2/19/2010 3:23:00 PM
I had no idea Milwaukeeans sound like Canadians. Learn something new on the forums again!

I'm enjoying the bits of the Olympics I get to watch. My daughter suggested we should go to a cineplex and watch the gold medal hockey games on the theatre screen. Women and Men. Wouldn't miss the women's game for anything.
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