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 gingerosity
Joined: 12/10/2011
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Given Orwells Law Of Arrogance, if imagined self intelligence were graphed against increasing generations it would produce an linear line. The variable of imagined self intelligence would need to be standardized against a IQ test that accurately accommodates for the difference between imagined and actualized intelligence.

Each generation is a generation that went before it to those who follow it, and a generation that comes after it to those who preceded it. So there are only ever two discrete generations for each of the two characteristics in the statement - antecedent/current or current/subsequent. Drawing lines between discrete variables is meaningless.

There is no need to calibrate to reality. We are talking about what people imagine to be true - reality doesn't come into it at all.

Given the statement as an axiom, the only wiser statement would come before George Orwell's statement. Therefore no one can be said to be more wise than George Orwell, after point x which Orwell made his statement.

No. That the generation imagines itself to be wiser than the one that comes after it does not require that it imagines itself to be less wise than the generations that preceded it.

Such statements can only lay in vagueness, because if given precision it doesn't function. Otherwise the difference of the change between variables is too small to consider to have a significant relation.

It is sufficiently precise for functionality.
 drinkthesunwithmyface
Joined: 3/27/2012
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Posted: 11/29/2016 10:22:59 AM
"Experience is like the sternlight which illuminates the path taken by the boat."

- ?
 kidreason29
Joined: 9/25/2015
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Posted: 11/29/2016 1:12:19 PM

Each generation is a generation that went before it to those who follow it, and a generation that comes after it to those who preceded it. So there are only ever two discrete generations for each of the two characteristics in the statement - antecedent/current or current/subsequent. Drawing lines between discrete variables is meaningless.


It says "Every generation". Given that Generation X believes itself to be more intelligent than the one before it, and Generation Y coming after X believes itself to be more intelligent than X, Y therefore believes itself to be more wiser than what is before X, and so on.

A generation could be of any X amount of years of which it refers to(for some its 10, for others its 20, etc). The X axis being time, can be partitioned/labeled as generations.

The quote will only lay in vagueness.
 gingerosity
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Posted: 11/29/2016 2:10:23 PM

"Experience is like the sternlight which illuminates the path taken by the boat."

- Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Table Talk, p. 434
 kidreason29
Joined: 9/25/2015
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Posted: 11/29/2016 2:21:13 PM
Literary criticism is all about differentiating between methodologies of literary theory.
 drinkthesunwithmyface
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Posted: 11/29/2016 4:00:40 PM
Thanks. Couldn't remember the author. Is probably paraphrased anyway.
 kidreason29
Joined: 9/25/2015
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Posted: 12/2/2016 3:32:54 PM

- Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Table Talk, p. 434

ill take this as,

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 gingerosity
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Posted: 12/3/2016 9:51:00 AM
^ Sorry, didn't have time/energy earlier. I don't consider it a competition but I do care about logic. So don't get me started on the people who say "I could care less" when they mean they couldn't care less.

It says "Every generation". Given that Generation X believes itself to be more intelligent than the one before it, and Generation Y coming after X believes itself to be more intelligent than X, Y therefore believes itself to be more [intelligent] than what is before X, and so on.

The conclusion of your argument does not follow from the premises.

X believes X is more intelligent than W
Y believes Y is more intelligent than X
Therefore Y believes Y is more intelligent than W

If this was talking about abstract numbers being greater than other abstract numbers you would be right and I wouldn't be disagreeing, but it's not. It's talking about what a generation of people believes. You are assuming that the belief of X magically becomes the belief of Y in reaching your conclusion. Here it is with the suppressed premise included:

X believes X is more intelligent than W
Y believes Y is more intelligent than X
Y is aware of and agrees with X's belief that X is more intelligent than W (or Y has formed this belief independently from X's belief, but then the first premise is superfluous)
Therefore Y believes Y is more intelligent than W

The point is that the suppressed premise is not given or even implied in the statement - Y could believe X is less intelligent than W (contrary to X's belief) for all we know. Therefore plotting it as a continuous variable is invalid.

In the case where the first premise becomes superfluous, it would just be written:

Y believes X is more intelligent than W
Y believes Y is more intelligent than X
Therefore Y believes Y is more intelligent than W

This could be done with a tiny alteration to the statement, and then we will all live happily ever after.

"Every generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it." - George Orwell

"Every generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the ones that went before it, and wiser than the ones that come after it." - Kid Reason
 kidreason29
Joined: 9/25/2015
Msg: 225
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Posted: 12/3/2016 5:59:39 PM
^ ok, as you can see a quote never contains enough information, but if it is the implied logical structure then I'll take it as is

Thought this was interesting (John von Neumann)

In 1955, von Neumann was diagnosed with what was either bone or pancreatic cancer. He invited a Roman Catholic priest, Father Anselm Strittmatter, O.S.B., to visit him for consultation. Von Neumann reportedly said in explanation that Pascal had a point, referring to Pascal's Wager. Father Strittmatter administered the last rites to him. Some of von Neumann's friends (such as Abraham Pais and Oskar Morgenstern) said they had always believed him to be "completely agnostic." Of this deathbed conversion, Morgenstern told Heims, "He was of course completely agnostic all his life, and then he suddenly turned Catholic—it doesn't agree with anything whatsoever in his attitude, outlook and thinking when he was healthy." Father Strittmatter recalled that von Neumann did not receive much peace or comfort from it, as he still remained terrified of death.
On his deathbed, Von Neumann entertained his brother by reciting, by heart and word-for-word, the first few lines of each page of Goethe's Faust. He died at age 53 on February 8, 1957, at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C., under military security lest he reveal military secrets while heavily medicated. He was buried at Princeton Cemetery in Princeton, Mercer County, New Jersey.

Pascals Wager:

1.God is, or God is not. Reason cannot decide between the two alternatives.
2.A Game is being played... where heads or tails will turn up.
3.You must wager (it is not optional).
4.Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that God is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing.
5.Wager, then, without hesitation that He is. (...) There is here an infinity of an infinitely happy life to gain, a chance of gain against a finite number of chances of loss, and what you stake is finite. And so our proposition is of infinite force, when there is the finite to stake in a game where there are equal risks of gain and of loss, and the infinite to gain.
6.But some cannot believe. They should then 'at least learn your inability to believe...' and 'Endeavour then to convince' themselves.
 ApriLikesrosasblancas
Joined: 11/28/2016
Msg: 226
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Posted: 1/1/2017 4:20:58 PM
Just like a shoe, If someone is meant for you, they will fit just Perfectly, no forcing, no struggling, and no pain.!
-0-

Happy New Year.!
 bobbyjo101
Joined: 5/13/2017
Msg: 227
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Posted: 6/4/2017 8:01:45 AM
God, kids, family. Nothing else matters. I've learned to shut up just recently and listen instead of spout.
 SLAFFA
Joined: 8/13/2007
Msg: 228
Your Personal Philosophy
Posted: 6/4/2017 12:49:24 PM
I have quite a few but probably 2 of my favorites are give everyone the benefit of the doubt and if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Daily "consideration" of these Forums leads me to believe that a great many Forum participants (especially in Off Topic) live by pot meet kettle/"we have met the enemy and they is us".
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