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 Slippidin
Joined: 4/13/2010
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Astrology or Tarot? <== Humor me for a moment or 20. ;)Page 2 of 3    (1, 2, 3)
The astrology you get in a daily horoscope, applied to everyone in an entire sign, is not very useful. There are too many planets and other powerful elements (like the Moon) in a person's chart for one observation to be very accurate even if it's the Sun's sign. Don't let the partial accuracy of those play-toys make you write off the whole subject. I can understand wanting to write it off because no one can explain how it works, but the latest studies in quantum physics prove we know very little about many things work, including the entire concept of time and space.

Astrology has always been entwined with astronomy. They're like left-brain/right-brain of the same study. It's only recently that we denigrate astrology. As a species we've always suffered from a certain intellectual arrogance, where we assume lessons learned in the past, over millenia, particularly the ones whose implications we don't like, are the irrelevant and outdated musings of ignorant people, even while we base our philosophy, mathematics and science on those same ancient people.

Astrology is both art and science. The science is easy. The computer you're reading from can do it. It's the same science as astronomy: precision orbital calculations. The art, however, came from millions of ancestral astronomer/astrologers standing on each others shoulders to keep refining the lexicon of what happens under astrological circumstances.

So how does it work? I couldn't tell you, but decades of study tell me that it does. Watching it for a while you find that trends are unmistakable, but it's hard to predict specifics. So? We know for a fact that the moon pulls around billions of gallons of water every second of every day, and we know precisely when the tide will be peaking in Santa Monica, but we couldn't even begin to predict every single wave and where it falls. (And they call that a science!) And when it comes to humans in the water, while we have little choice but to go with a wave, we can swim, roll, toss, steer, or even surf it.

So, on a personal level, does knowing a person's sun sign help in dating? If experience tells you that you are a sucker for a particular sign, and it pans out over time, then yes. Something in your chart resonates with the Sun's sign, and makes that work for you. Sun signs are a feeble subset of astrology, though.

 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Posted: 4/18/2010 5:31:32 PM

but the latest studies in quantum physics prove we know very little about many things work, including the entire concept of time and space.


I guess those latest studies must mean that when I put a spoonful of Miracle-Gro in a pail of water to feed my plants, I can't predict it will dissolve, because I can't know exactly what each atomic particle involved was doing, and when. And here I thought it worked.


As a species we've always suffered from a certain intellectual arrogance


Maybe, but we're not the only one. Housecats are notorious for being intellectually arrogant.
 Slippidin
Joined: 4/13/2010
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Posted: 4/18/2010 10:00:02 PM

Housecats are notorious for being intellectually arrogant.


grin
 mateo45
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Posted: 7/14/2011 9:43:47 AM
Just my own bias, but I usually avoid Aquarians (interesting people, but they really crave their "independence" & "space"... so not so great for LTR's), and Leos (I can only provide just so much "admiration")! Luv Taurus, they usually radiate a natural charm and tend to be very easy-going (except you don't wanna be around when they finally "blow")!

Oh, and Scorpio's are indeed "sexy", although their thang for "control", not so much!
 Zipster93401
Joined: 3/4/2011
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Posted: 7/22/2011 2:05:01 PM
I enjoy astrology and yes, at one time all astronomers were astrologers. I think most people haven't paid much attention to the signs they are attracted to. For me I tend to be very attracted to Libra's. Not that I will only date Libra's or anything. And I'm a Scorpio, that "control thang" left about 15 years ago, so what you are as a young woman/man is not necessarily the same as when you're older. But, the sexual side of Scorpio's stays the same!
 tedhpeterson
Joined: 8/28/2010
Msg: 22
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Posted: 12/31/2011 1:37:13 PM

Do any of you believe in any of it? Do you feel its relevant to dating? Compatibility? Longevity? etc, etc?

How many of you factor this into the equation of meeting people?

How many of you have been helped by Astrology or Tarot?

How many of you think the sacred arts are bull@%$!?


It's all for entertainment only.
I'm tired of women asking me "what my sign is" or "when I was born". As if?
Sorry, I prefer reality.
 tedhpeterson
Joined: 8/28/2010
Msg: 23
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Posted: 12/31/2011 1:38:38 PM

I enjoy astrology and yes, at one time all astronomers were astrologers. I think most people haven't paid much attention to the signs they are attracted to. For me I tend to be very attracted to Libra's. Not that I will only date Libra's or anything. And I'm a Scorpio, that "control thang" left about 15 years ago, so what you are as a young woman/man is not necessarily the same as when you're older. But, the sexual side of Scorpio's stays the same!


When someone is born has no effect whatsoever on if you are attracted to them or not.
If you find that it is so, then maybe you are merely paying attention to those types of people only, or it's been coincidence.
 Rain587
Joined: 7/9/2011
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Posted: 1/1/2012 1:17:29 AM
You'll find every personality in every sign. It's ok for fun but how to pick a mate or live your life.

I have a friend that constantly says, "must be the Aquarian blood in me". She will blame a bad date or contact on the person not being a Gemini or some other sign.

BTW I'm a Taurus but my personality is all over the charts.
 mateo45
Joined: 1/17/2008
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Posted: 1/1/2012 1:43:42 PM
I detest astrology and tarot and would never date anyone who follows either one. As Christians we are NOT suppose to associate with it and I don't, I wouldn't whether I was Christian or not.


And yet by any chance would you also be be among those folks who believe in Creationism (aka, the "Flintstones Theory", "man walked with dinosaurs", etc.)?!

Mostly I have to agree with JackDiamond and Slippidin, that if you just pay attention to good old-fashioned "empiricism" (objective observation), then it's clear that something is going on re: astrology, even if we don't yet understand the "mechanism" for it (be it metaphysical, spiritual, or perhaps quantum-related). And even the esteemed psychologist Carl Jung once described astrology as the "accumulated psychological knowledge of the ancients".

Of course both he and Freud also considered "excessive religiosity" to be a symptom of "excessive Narcissism"....
 PinkZombies
Joined: 12/20/2011
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Posted: 1/2/2012 5:34:18 AM
As a card-carrying member of the Skeptic Society.... LOL!
I won't date anyone who believes in astrology, mysticism, creationism, or other weird things.
Except for the the zombie apocalypse, which is coming ;p
 mateo45
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Posted: 1/2/2012 10:25:35 AM
And of course the Reagans were also famously into astrology, with some suggesting that Nancy timing Ronnie's schedule according the advice of Cali astrologer Jane Quigley, may even have contributed to his apparent "teflon coating" (or maybe it was just his, um, "dumb" luck... LOL)!
 Jennywillwin
Joined: 12/27/2011
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Posted: 1/5/2012 2:30:17 PM
Just thought I would post an interesting article about astrology signs changing.

http://www.nbc-2.com/story/13828331/zodiac-signs-have-moved-a-month-ahead?clienttype=printable

Your zodiac sign may not be what you think
Posted: Jan 12, 2011 4:14 AM PST Updated: Jan 12, 2011 07:14 AM EST

MINNESOTA: If you've ever read your horoscope, you may be interested in what at least one astronomer has to say about it. Turns out your sign may not really be your sign.

"This is not something that happened today. This has gone on for thousands of years," said astronomer Parke Kunkle.

The star doctors say Earth is currently in a different spot in relation to the Sun, and its equatorial alignment has changed from 3,000 years ago when the study of astrology began -- back when 12 zodiac signs were assigned to 12 different periods of the year.

Those signs you were born into are different now because the Earth's wobble on its axis has created a one-month bump in the alignment of the stars, according to Kunkle.

"Because of this change of tilt, the Earth is really over here in effect and Sun is in a different constellation than it was 3,000 years ago."

What that means to you is a Virgo may now be a Leo, an Aquarius - a Capricorn, and a Taurus - an Aries.

"So I'm an Aries now, fabulous," said Jozsef Szathmary, reacting to the news.

Szathmary has gone from Taurus to Aries in stride, vowing to his sun alignment that he is ready to change.

"I'm a ball of sunshine....wherever the sun is at, that's where I'm at," he said.

And that is just the point. The Sun and Earth are moving surely and slowly, so the stars of your sign aren't the same as they were when that sign was assigned to your birth thousands of years ago.

For your new sign, just subtract one spot on the list.

But, don't expect your horoscope reading to change. Scientists say this rotation has been known about since 500 B.C. and the horoscope calendar hasn't moved.

YOUR "REAL" HOROSCOPE

Astrology buffs should be using these dates, reflecting where the stars currently are aligned:

Capricorn: Jan. 20 - Feb. 16
Aquarius: Feb. 16 - March 11
Pisces: March 11- April 18
Aries: April 18- May 13
Taurus: May 13- June 21
Gemini: June 21- July 20
Cancer: July 20- Aug. 10
Leo: Aug. 10- Sept. 16
Virgo: Sept. 16- Oct. 30
Libra: Oct. 30- Nov. 23
Scorpio: Nov. 23- Nov. 29
Ophiuchus: Nov. 29- Dec. 17
Sagittarius: Dec. 17- Jan.
 mateo45
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Posted: 1/5/2012 3:05:11 PM
News Flash: real "astrology buffs" have already been well-aware for centuries now of the "discovery" re: "changing signs". It's called the phenomenon of "Precession" (of the equinoxes) and is an ancient and well-accepted part of Western Astrology, which is different from Vedic (aka "Hindu") astrology, that uses the actual current location of the constellations in the zodiac. So they're simply different systems, and in any case, newspaper sun sign astrology bears about as much resemblance to "real" astrology, as saying Taco Bell is "real" Mexican food! ;-p

BTW, the Precession issue is also part of the whole "2012/Mayan Prophecy/Age of Aquarius", etc. ruckus.
 Jennywillwin
Joined: 12/27/2011
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Posted: 1/5/2012 3:10:17 PM
News Flash! Not EVERYONE is aware of EVERYTHING especially if it is a topic we don't follow!!

So many people here have such smart***, mocking attitudes :( Welcome to the Forums!!
 mateo45
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Posted: 1/5/2012 3:45:52 PM
Sorry, didn't mean to hurt your feelings there kiddo, but I gotta ask, then why do you post about stuff you don't really know anything about? And do you appreciate it when folks repeat things that you already know are bogus or misleading?

Which kinda reminds me of all those spam emails that folks always repeat again and again as "facts", without ever bothering to check whether they're true or not (remember Google, Snopes... and Spellcheck, are your friends)! Oh, and don't believe everything you read (though OK, maybe the guvmint is run by space aliens)!
 Jennywillwin
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Posted: 1/5/2012 3:55:08 PM
You couldn't possibly hurt my feelings , I don't allow stranger's statements to do that but I do appreciate your apology just the same, thank-you.

I don't have much time for a proper reply but I will just say that we still have some freedom to post what we want. This freedom may disappear sooner than later. When I state or post something, I try to do it in a respectful manner , everyone discerns for themselves what they want. Enough said.
 Wonder5750
Joined: 1/30/2012
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Posted: 2/7/2012 3:08:46 PM
Astrology, what if the whole premis to how personalities are regarded have to do with how the child is swaddled after birth. Those born in the hot summer months aren't swaddled at all and have a freer outlook on life and those in the winter months are more frugal. There is logic behind most theories regarding some of the most foolish fantisy. :)

Now Tarot.. a whole different critter. Using random cards to tell your fortune. But what if the cards were just a way to keep your mind off the fact that who ever was "reading" you could actually connect with you and give you insights, things you already know, yet have kept hidden from yourself. Pieces of cardboard can't call in unseen evil forces to tell you secrets of your life. But there are people that can tap into your emotions and tell you things about you that you think no one knows. That gift plus intuition can go a long ways :) There are many folks that can read emotional energy, they use this skill to heal, physically, emotionally and spiritualy. I see it on here all the time. Folks zone into a real issue or a falsehood, lending a kindness or a kick in the butt as needed.

As for the future...it has yet to be written, the paths may be in place, but the choosing is still our own. :)
 Aura1shine
Joined: 3/2/2011
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Posted: 4/2/2012 8:58:53 PM
Anyone interest in tarot card reading for fun write me and I will give her number. She was quite amazing for me and make a skeptic like me dumbfound, but still not totally believing till proven. She predicted I would have a new vehicle which I never plan or imagine to do so. Lo behold, I did buy a new van. When she told me my daughter coming, when I was not even known that I was pragnant. Yep, she arrived! My cousin had the same experiences with her when she was told that her hubby will give her a pricey present. Well, a new beamer customed to her like was delivered. Again, my coworker wanted to know about her next pragnancy would result in a boy or a girl. The reader told her that her son is coming. Yep, she has a boy which is now 6 years old. Btw, she did reading for a small fee that she donates to a charity, not for her own profit.
 jmark4
Joined: 7/3/2011
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Posted: 4/4/2012 12:47:41 AM
no; it's crap; when they start giving me lottery numbers that win then I'll believe.

There are several calendars and the earths axis isn't even the same during the day when Astrology was formed.

Anyone living their life according to the night their parents had sex to create them is naive at best in my book. I would never date anyone that put much into it. For fun? sure. but to live by it; no way.
 Wonder5750
Joined: 1/30/2012
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Posted: 4/4/2012 8:38:55 AM
In every mysticism there is some science. To void your self of something you really don't understand is to be terribly closed minded. However reading your posts jmark4 I am not surprised at your response. Some people just can't beleive in magic anymore... to me that is very sad. Perhaps I am a fool in your eyes, but I do note certain traits in different astrological signs. So far its been pretty constant... so I don't discount it at all. Just my own bit of research.. but its enough for me to pay attention to it :)
 emptyvases
Joined: 4/4/2012
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Posted: 4/22/2012 9:00:09 PM
This is total bullsh**.
It's fun to look at the daily horoscope from time to time, but surely nobody takes this stuff seriously.
I hope!
 Wonder5750
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Posted: 4/22/2012 9:22:08 PM
:) maybe it is.. maybe its not. Either way... you are right
 a_Libra_rising
Joined: 2/29/2012
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Posted: 4/23/2012 2:18:38 AM
to "believe" in astrology and/or tarot is no more kooky than believing in atoms, molecules, and calculus. just because you can't see how something works, or it doesn't make sense to you, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. astrology and tarot have their own structure and foundation. people use to to heavily depend on it for everyday and important decision like the ancient egyptians, ancient greeks, ancient romans, etc. i don't see it being weird when people read their daily horoscopes. i don't like horoscopes and i never read mine but there's nothing wrong with others reading it. besides, horoscopes isn't astrology.
as for tarot, there's nothing bunk about focusing your energy on something and placing that energy in a card that represents your energy. maybe to a lot of people now think it's "weird," but i see it as interesting and i'm open to it.

but all this is just my pisces moon talking.
 catalina_view
Joined: 4/8/2012
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Posted: 4/23/2012 8:53:12 AM
Yeah, me too with a Pisces ascendant. Go see Susan Davis at the Psychic Eye in Sherman Oaks, she'll make a believer out of anyone.
 Sharrokay
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Posted: 11/9/2013 5:37:30 PM
Yes, can you give me the person's name and phone number. Do you know anyone that cast spells?
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