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 Imported_labor
Joined: 3/7/2008
Msg: 394
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The Supreme Court is going to rule in favor of the Arizona law, because the law is simply a copy of federal law.
We have laws for solid reasons, even though some of you have your own agendas, such as increasing the voting block for your side.
Blissfully ignore the ranchers who have to deal with intruders on a daily basis, ignore the high incidence of kidnappings, ignore the growing problem of cartel violence, all in the name of getting those votes.


No one who has posted in this topic has even suggested that law enforcement shouldn't do its job and go after the violent criminal cartels or the kidnappers, drug traffickers. They should be doing it; it is their job. However, if you think that Arpaio et al are going to take on the more dangerous tasks you are deluding yourself. They don't need any Arizona Immigration law to do their legitimate job of confronting violent criminals that present a danger to their community. They need the Arizona Immigration law to allow them to imprison the undocumented workers and to put them to work for free on the industries of their associates. Why do you think they built extra prisons to keep the "illegal aliens"? You would think that they would be willing to get them immediately on a bus to the border in order to minimize the cost to the taxpayers of keeping those people in prison.

Where did you get the idea that the illegal aliens get to vote in the elections? Have you been working also among the illegal aliens in Arizona for 25 years?
 Balsamica
Joined: 2/24/2012
Msg: 395
The real reasons behind Arizona's Immigration Law?
Posted: 5/6/2012 9:47:59 AM
"Illegal immigration" came about fairly recently, the 1960's I think. Prior to that, anyone healthy could come to America and either take the citizenship test or not.

My grandparents came from Italy. Nunu worked until he was 70 and was never a citizen, nor was Nuni. They didnt care about being able to vote and their English was horrid, but they were not a burden to anyone.

I don't like the idea of second-class citizens, but we ought to have a track where people who work can pay taxes, get benefits, and vote if they can pass a citizenship test. No taxes, no benefits. No passing the test, no citizenship. But it ought to go back to something like it was.........if there is no job market for them, they won't come here.......they come to work.
 catalina_view
Joined: 4/8/2012
Msg: 396
The real reasons behind Arizona's Immigration Law?
Posted: 5/6/2012 12:14:38 PM
Exactly. People were screened. Now they are not. My grandparents' families from Europe were not allowed to come here. 3/4 of them were turned away and settled in South America instead.
In Los Angeles we have a lot of TB and leprosy has been on the rise since the mid '90's . I am the only teacher I know including my mom and my two best friends who can still take a TB skin test instead of the x-ray because I don't have reaction to it. One of my teacher friends underwent a long round of nasty antibiotics to treat her TB.
We don't screen illegal aliens. That's the difference. Duh.
 Imported_labor
Joined: 3/7/2008
Msg: 397
The real reasons behind Arizona's Immigration Law?
Posted: 5/6/2012 2:42:11 PM

In Los Angeles we have a lot of TB and leprosy has been on the rise since the mid '90's .


That may be one of the unintended consequences from the economic practice of exacting profits by employing undocumented workers who will work for the lowest wages the employers want to pay. People who don't make enough money to live a comfortable life usually aren't able to take care of theirs and their family's health.


We don't screen illegal aliens. That's the difference. Duh.


That would cost money. Who would pay? It is not like you could tell people who want to come to work here without documents that they need to have all the necessary medical tests before sneaking into the country.


I am the only teacher I know including my mom and my two best friends who can still take a TB skin test instead of the x-ray because I don't have reaction to it. One of my teacher friends underwent a long round of nasty antibiotics to treat her TB.


That's very interesting. When I was applying to come to the United States I had all the medical exams and tests required by the US consulate and I was cleared to enter the US as a healthy young man. I was coming to work as a teacher, so I understood that the tests were necessary. Five years later, when moving from Minnesota to Massachusetts, the state required that I take the TB test. The tuberculin skin test came back positive and was told to start the antibiotic treatment for TB. I had a strong reaction after 1 month, and was told to stop taking the medicine and just tell whoever wanted to test me for TB in the future to use x-ray exams. That was 35 years ago and I am still healthy. I know that I was considered an alien back then and the treatment that I received was most likely the standard for my status.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 398
The real reasons behind Arizona's Immigration Law?
Posted: 5/6/2012 2:44:55 PM
TB is coming back everywhere. Antibiotic resistant TB is a problem everywhere. I don't think you can tie that to illegal aliens. People at the bottom of the economic ladder are more likely to contract it. But that's the case everywhere. Another argument for universal health care.
 emptyvases
Joined: 4/4/2012
Msg: 399
The real reasons behind Arizona's Immigration Law?
Posted: 5/6/2012 6:53:17 PM
The "real reason" behind AZ's immigration law (not really AZ's law at all, but a copy of the fed law)
is that AZ doesn't wanna become CA., broke and overrun by hordes of illiterate and hostile third world peasants who have entitlement issues and never ending demands, while bringing tagging and gangs and drugs and mayhem.
There you have it.
 IgorFrankensteen
Joined: 6/29/2009
Msg: 400
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The real reasons behind Arizona's Immigration Law?
Posted: 5/6/2012 6:59:47 PM
Isn't all this a bit like the whole "illegal drug traffic" scene? That is, the reason why California has all those folks you describe, is because the California economy is made up heavily of employers who WANT to bring in cheap foreign labor that they can then discard onto the streets, in order to save them money. You want to stop the influx of people you fear, do it the same way that's often suggested to try to get at the drug traffic: go after the people spending the big bucks that brings it all in.

Go after the "users," instead of just trying to penalize the people supplying them with the "juice."
 catalina_view
Joined: 4/8/2012
Msg: 401
The real reasons behind Arizona's Immigration Law?
Posted: 5/6/2012 7:27:26 PM
TB was eradicated in the United States. It is rampant in Mexico where they don't have immunizations. I lived in Mexico (Morelia, Michoacan) but again another topic about which you know more than I.
 KittenCatt
Joined: 6/11/2011
Msg: 402
The real reasons behind Arizona's Immigration Law?
Posted: 5/6/2012 8:29:10 PM

broke and overrun by hordes of illiterate and hostile third world peasants who have entitlement issues and never ending demands, while bringing tagging and gangs and drugs and mayhem.


Vases, are you in my head?? That could have come from me....do you know how nice it is to hear someone dare to utter the real truth about what is going on in this country??? You, Catalinaview, et al here are my breaths of fresh air on this matter.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 403
The real reasons behind Arizona's Immigration Law?
Posted: 5/6/2012 9:53:15 PM
We have drug resistant TB here too. It's an infectious disease - borders don't mean much.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 404
The real reasons behind Arizona's Immigration Law?
Posted: 5/7/2012 6:44:18 AM

...broke and overrun by hordes of illiterate and hostile third world peasants who have entitlement issues and never ending demands, while bringing tagging and gangs and drugs and mayhem.

So you mean like the Irish, English and Germans that started gangs in New York around the 1820's?

Or do you mean the Poles, Italians and Austrians who started their US gangs 1890's?

Or where you talking about the people from Latin America, the Caribbean, and Puerto Rico who started gangs in the 1930's?

Or could it be the Asian and non–Puerto Rican Latino that got started in the 1980's?


Either way, just more hyperbole and an epic failure at understanding gangs and the history behind them in the USA.
 irishlab33
Joined: 1/16/2011
Msg: 405
The real reasons behind Arizona's Immigration Law?
Posted: 5/7/2012 7:51:50 AM

Either way, just more hyperbole and an epic failure at understanding gangs and the history behind them in the USA.


derp

you forgot the Jets and the Sharks
 emptyvases
Joined: 4/4/2012
Msg: 406
The real reasons behind Arizona's Immigration Law?
Posted: 5/7/2012 6:13:56 PM
Love it.
I work with gangs, and you're going to pretend to tell me about gangs?
You people are ludicrous.

We have never, in our entire history as a nation, had as many gang members in this country as we do now.
In Los Angeles alone we have more gang members than cops.

Is it possible, EVER, for liberals to engage an issue without lying? Have any of you ever even been here to visit?
You're just so silly.

Most of SOCA is overrun with illegals now. In the time I've lived here, I've watched as areas have changed, all over the valley, North Hollywood, Pacoima, Sun Valley, Northridge, San Fernando, etc.
Downtown, Pico/Union, Echo Park.
In the south bay, San Pedro, Wilmington, Carson, Gardena, and most of South Central has turned Latino and the explosion of gangs is unreal.


If you' don't live here, you don't know sh**. Why do you bother to comment at all?

I live in a "nice" area, and now we have tagging, armed robberies, home invasions, etc.
Last year, on the side of the building next to mine some crew wrote, "White people are devils" and "Hate the blue eyed devils."
Trust me, it wasn't like this when I moved here in the early 80's. Make up whatever lies you want, the people who live here know what's up.
 larissan04
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 407
The real reasons behind Arizona's Immigration Law?
Posted: 5/7/2012 7:02:27 PM
emptyvases~

You are absolutely right about the gang situation in California. I lived in LA for years, and yeah, it is unbelievable how much many of the neighborhoods changed in just a short time. as a matter of fact, there are many 2nd and 3rd generation hispanics that are moving out, too. they are just as ticked off about the gang and drug violence that is being fueled by human trafficking, drug trafficking, and a lack of enforcement of our immigration laws... as a matter of fact, i personally know two people that were shot by illegal immigrant/gang members...one was hispanic himself, and while he survived getting shot in the head with a shot gun, he will always have problems with his eyes due to pressure on his optic nerve as a result of his injuries...my other friend? she will walk with a cane for the rest of her life...and she was 22 when 3 gang members that were out on furlough from a juvenile detention center for violent offenders...shot her in the back because, "[they] just felt like popping someone...that's all."
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 408
The real reasons behind Arizona's Immigration Law?
Posted: 5/7/2012 7:05:46 PM

We have never, in our entire history as a nation, had as many gang members in this country as we do now.
In Los Angeles alone we have more gang members than cops.

Based on what data?
 larissan04
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 409
The real reasons behind Arizona's Immigration Law?
Posted: 5/7/2012 7:10:26 PM
halftime dad~

>>

actually, drug resistant strains of TB aren't coming "everywhere." this doesn't just "happen." one of the reasons that we now have drug resistant strains of such diseases is because people from undeveloped parts of the world are bringing the diseases into their ethnic communities in developed nations. in turn, someone gets infected, and people then share their drugs with others or they don't take the full prescription. they take the drug till they feel better, then stop. as a result, the bacteria mutates and you end up with a stronger strain. this is pretty common knowledge.

if you want universal healthcare then you could always move to sweden....the majority of the people in the US don't want it...
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