Plentyoffish dating forums are a place to meet singles and get dating advice or share dating experiences etc. Hopefully you will all have fun meeting singles and try out this online dating thing... Remember that we are the largest free online dating service, so you will never have to pay a dime to meet your soulmate.
     
Show ALL Forums  > Australia  > No more contact after you tell them what you do for a living      Home login  
 AUTHOR
 sabscales
Joined: 1/20/2010
Msg: 26
No more contact after you tell them what you do for a livingPage 2 of 5    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5)
This is nothing compared to what could be 13 pages worth!

I'm missing the point once again or I'm just not getting why something that was said obviously quiet innocently (because I'm sure if he thought he's game would be picked to bits he'd never have even mentioned it) is such a big deal.

People play all sorts of games out there in the big bad world and women have been playing games for years to get what they want in life (not every one is the same ofcourse) but lets not play the innocent victims... women have turned man's heads around for centuries and centuries, have caused wars and have had people kill or be killed over them.

Bringing it back closer to home all u have to do is look at some of the profiles on this site to realise that not every one is as straight forward as we'd all like them to be...
Are we seriously going to carry on about games played by a group of young guys when the worst offenders are well and truly over the age when they should know better?

All I got from Ahron's paragraph is that they go out, pick on an unsuspecting victim and play with her head a little to see where it goes... didn't really think they were out there to kill anyone. Lets just hang him shall we????

Does any of this have anything to do with OP's actual question.... ohhh what was it?
 greyingred
Joined: 6/12/2008
Msg: 27
view profile
History
No more contact after you tell them what you do for a living
Posted: 6/22/2010 1:04:02 AM
I've dated a Milkman who loved Opera. A Consultant Doctor who loved mechanics and partying, an ex street kid become a psychologist & who loved poetry and countless other men who happen to have jobs and even that is optional. What attracts me to a person is what moves and motivates them and not necessarily how they earn a crust. However have to agree that I am least likely to find another Milkman or ex street kid with similar tastes. So instead I went for artists, teachers, ethical (yes there are some) lawyers etc most of whom are not that rich...and yet ended up with a bloody Engineer wot likes Kite surfing...go figure cos I hate the beach.

It is a somewhat cruel drinking game being played and I wonder if it ever occurred to him that the woman might be playing one right back, free drinks and then she merrily goes home with her friends. Seem to remember pretending to be french and once pretending to be blind...was fun but infantile and unless on stage very hard to keep up the pretense.
 Capricornia09
Joined: 6/10/2009
Msg: 28
No more contact after you tell them what you do for a living
Posted: 7/4/2010 7:23:25 PM

Tell her you can drive her to and from the pub, that will make you very attractive in her eyes then.


If a woman told me she could drive me to and from the pub, I think I'd be in love too
 sabscales
Joined: 1/20/2010
Msg: 29
No more contact after you tell them what you do for a living
Posted: 7/9/2010 10:54:16 PM
^^^^^^
and now everyone knows!!!
 ryadgirl
Joined: 12/19/2007
Msg: 30
No more contact after you tell them what you do for a living
Posted: 7/13/2010 10:27:17 PM
I will be honest - I absolutely wont date someone that is unemployed I dont care if he is freaking St Paul - over lazy good for nother slobs that wont work - I work have a great secure job - am financially secure and expect a partner to be on equal footing

why would I want to support someone - as for being a cabbie mate thats a honest living puts you far ahead in the game from the other bums that seem to frequent here !!!
 Tah,
Joined: 11/18/2008
Msg: 31
No more contact after you tell them what you do for a living
Posted: 7/13/2010 10:41:22 PM
I would date a welfare bludger way before some of the judgemental persona's on exhibit in "ere!
 scuzzi_au
Joined: 3/8/2009
Msg: 32
view profile
History
No more contact after you tell them what you do for a living
Posted: 7/14/2010 3:07:19 AM
Lol Tah,

reckon that sums it up pretty well.


Scuzz
Retired gentleman since 1995
 PhoenixRising1976
Joined: 7/27/2010
Msg: 33
No more contact after you tell them what you do for a living
Posted: 7/30/2010 10:38:39 PM
From an evolutionary psychological stand point, its all about whether the man is able to be a good provider or not. Although women are independent these days, it still seems to be an innate tendency, or so research would have us believe. Saying that, knowing myself and other women I know, what a man earns is not the deciding factor in whether we want to be with the man of our interest. There are a number of possible reasons why these women would lose interest after you telling them your profession, of only which they themselves would know.
 Steve1394
Joined: 1/7/2010
Msg: 34
view profile
History
No more contact after you tell them what you do for a living
Posted: 8/28/2010 5:23:50 PM
Perhaps this might explain something.

The ego epidemic: How more and more of us women have an inflated sense of our own fabulousness
By Lucy Taylor
Last updated at 7:55 AM on 14th September 2009
• Comments (207)
• Add to My Stories
Us women are more egocentric and narcissistic than we ever used to be, according to extensive research by two leading psychologists.
More of us have huge expectations of ourselves, our lives and everyone in them. We think the universe resolves around us, with a deluded sense of our own fabulousness, and believe we are cleverer, more talented and more attractive than we actually are.
We have trouble accepting criticism and extending empathy because we are so preoccupied with ourselves.

Got it all: Actresses Kim Cattrall (left to right), Cynthia Nixon, Sarah Jessica Parker and Kristin Davis on location for the new movie 'Sex and the City 2'
Am I making you angry by telling you this? It figures. Narcissistic or egotistical women do have an overwhelming sense of entitlement and arrogance.
Of course, I joke, but researchers say there is growing evidence of an epidemic of ego-itis everywhere.
Once a traditionally male syndrome, narcissism generally begins at home and in schools, where children are praised excessively, often spoiled rotten and given the relentless message that they are 'special'.
Psychology professors Jean Twenge and Keith Campbell analysed studies on 37,000 college students in 2006.
In a survey, 30 per cent of them said they believed they should get good grades simply for turning up.
NET WORTH: Facebook is a boon for those with narcissistic traits, who use the networking site for self-promotion, says a recent study

And it's not just about how intelligent they think they are. In the workplace, in friendships, even in motherhood, the pervading culture seems to have become one of competitiveness, superiority and one-upmanship.
But the sphere in which the signs of self-obsession are perhaps most obvious, and the consequences most immediately felt, is the dating one.
In a recent magazine article, four women in their late 20s and 30s shared their thoughts about why they were still single. A 39-year-old beauty director claimed to be too independent for a relationship.
A 38-year-old music agent attributed her single status to the fact she was an alpha female - independent, feisty, strong-minded, high-achieving and intimidating.

Mirror, mirror: Are woman increasingly believing that the universe revolves around them?
She pointed out that she owned a gorgeous flat with gorgeous things in it, had a nice car, was a member of a fancy gym and wore designer dresses. 'I do what I like, when I like,' she said.
She'd been told, and appears to believe, that she's too successful and too well-educated for most men.
The third woman, a 30-year- old arts writer and curator, has been having too much fun to settle down.
Another, a 29-year-old, said she was too picky. She was looking for a guy who is (just) tall enough. And (just about) good-looking enough (but not too good-looking so that she'd play second fiddle).
He needs to be successful, solvent and driven. He must also be long on genuinely good jokes, with a decent sideline in bad ones that only she finds funny.
He needs to 'speak good restaurant', to have no special dietary requirements and to always be discerning without ever being fussy.

Me, me, me: The workplace is one area where women can develop an over-inflated view of themselves
He needs to be clever without ever making her feel stupid. He needs to 'get' but not 'know' fashion...and so the list went on.
She concluded that she would rather eat wasps than share her Sunday with anyone who fails to measure up to her idea of Mr Perfect.
Of course, there is nothing wrong with having high expectations. But being delusional and having a totally unrealistic blueprint are an altogether different matter.
And they often go hand in hand with acute ego-itis. As Margot Medhurt knows only too well.
She is the founder of Yours Sincerely, an Edinburgh-based personal dating and introduction agency for professionals. She has almost 30 years' experience in the industry and has noticed a significant rise in this phenomenon in recent years.
'It used to be that most women who joined a dating agency had a pretty good idea of where they stood in the eligibility stakes,' she said. 'But in the past few years, I've noticed that there are a significant number of women who don't.
'They tend to be in their 30s, and there is a wide discrepancy between how they perceive themselves and how others see them.
'They are often very plain, but see themselves as being absolutely fabulous, exceptional people.
'They invariably reject every guy's profile I send them. But if a guy rejects their profile, there is all hell to pay. There is disbelief. They are really saying: "I'm so fabulous. How dare he turn me down?"
'In the past few years, I've noticed a real sense of entitlement among this small group of women. The idea that a guy might not find them as amazing as they find themselves doesn't enter their head.
'They often become indignant and angry towards me, demanding to know why a guy dared to turn them down. Most people simply accept the facts of the dating game: some people will find you attractive and others won't, in the same way that you'll be drawn to some but not others.
Women today think the universe revolves around them and have a deluded sense of their abilities
'These women, however, are unable to get their heads around the fact that the rest of the world might not share the distorted, inflated view they have of themselves.'
She said she had a eureka moment when she read a recent article about the rise in narcissism among women.
According to the American research, there has been a 67 per cent increase in it over the past two decades, mainly among women.
An estimated ten per cent of the population suffers from narcissism as a full-blown personality disorder.
The symptoms include: a grandiose sense of self-importance; the belief that he or she is special or unique and in some way better - either intellectually or physically - than others; a requirement for excessive admiration; a sense of entitlement, whether to fame, fortune, success and happiness or simply to special treatment; enviousness of others or a belief that others are envious of him or her; an inability to empathise; an inability to admit a mistake; and haughty behaviour or attitude.

Food for thought: One woman said she would not share time with a man unless he was her ideal of Mr Perfect
What researchers have also identified, and are far more worried about, is what has been described as 'normal' narcissism - a cultural shift that has seen even non-narcissistic people seduced by the emphasis on material wealth, physical appearance and celebrity worship.
The researchers believe our culture brings out narcissistic behaviour in almost all of us.
They blame the internet (where 'fame' is a click away), reality television (where the lure of fame without talent is most prevalent), easy credit (which enables people to buy far beyond their ability to pay), celebrity worship, our highly consumerist, competitive and individualistic society, and a generation of indulgent parents who have raised their children to think they're special, amazing and perfect.
According to Twenge, this focus on self-admiration has caused a cultural flight from reality to the land of grandiose fantasy.
We have phony rich people (who actually have massive mortgages and piles of debt), phony beauty (via plastic surgery), phony celebrities (via reality TV and YouTube), phony genius students (with grade inflation) and phony friends (with the social networking explosion).
TOP DOG: Narcissists are most likely to end up in leadership roles despite the fact they often don't make good leaders, according to a U.S. survey

'I had noticed this trend, but wasn't really sure what it was all about,' says Margaret Medhurt.
'However, when I read that article and thought about the unrealistic expectations and sense of entitlement among some of the women, it really struck a chord.
'One of the cases that brought it home to me involved a 38-year-old businesswoman.
'I knew there were going to be problems right away. As soon as someone joins the agency, we get things moving very quickly - but this wasn't quick enough for this woman.
'She wanted a date immediately. The first man I sent her profile to declined an introduction and she was extremely cross. She couldn't accept it and she couldn't even be polite about it.
'In three weeks, three men turned her down. I explained that it takes time to meet someone but she just got angrier and angrier. She was demanding to know why these guys did this. I was trying to get the balance right - between being honest with her and being tactful.
'I think, ultimately, she had a very flawed perception of herself. And she almost couldn't bear that it was being challenged. It was as if she couldn't deal with the fact that some guys didn't think she was amazing - and she left.'
Men, traditionally regarded as the more self-centred of the species and the rogues of the mating game, are left scratching their heads and pondering Freud's famous question: what do women want?
David Baxter (not his real name) is a 40-year-old management consultant. Previously married for nine years, he joined a dating agency in the summer.
He says he's not perfect, but is told he's an eligible and pleasant guy with a lot to offer.
'I've had three successive dates recently with ladies in the late 30s to early 40s age bracket that have left me dumbfounded,' he said.

More...
• Divorced by my best friend: Adele Parks thought she and her best friend of 20 years were inseparable - until she was dumped
• I've got a great big zonking bottom: Emma Thompson and other celebrities reveal their body insecurities
• Rowan Pelling's sex advice column: To wax or not to wax - have women ever faced a greater dilemma?
'I've never come across such massive egos, such arrogance and lack of basic courtesy.
'It was as if these particular dates were a forum for them to tell me how exceptional they were. One told me repeatedly how many young guys at the gym asked her out; another was very artificial.
'You sensed that they absolutely worshipped themselves, though none of them was drop-dead gorgeous or had amazing personalities, jobs or anything else to set them apart and elevate themselves into some superior position.
'I also thought it was quite telling that none of them had ever been married, engaged or had recently - or perhaps ever - been in a long-term relationship.
'I got the feeling that these women were living in a Sex And The City-inspired fantasy world. I also sensed that nobody would ever be good enough for them.
'They seem to be looking for something that doesn't exist: Mr Perfect, or perhaps some larger-than-life, dashingly handsome and unattainable character such as that portrayed by Mr Big. Nothing else will do.'
Despite his recent experience, David still considers himself lucky.
'I'm still positive about the whole thing, but I have friends who are not so optimistic and it's evident that encounters with these sort of women seriously erode their self-confidence, which is a real shame. There are a lot of genuine, decent guys out there who are getting a rough deal.'
Neil Hay is a 32-year-old former professional golfer-turned-financial consultant who lives on the outskirts of Edinburgh.
After taking some time out following the death of his mother, he joined a dating agency almost a year ago.
'It's made me terribly cynical, not just about the way women are, but also about what on earth it is that they are looking for in a guy,' he said.
'Of course, we all have standards and preferences. There's nothing wrong with that. But most of us are also realistic. We know that Cheryl Cole is out of our league.
'I had been hoping to meet someone who was quite nice-looking, with a good personality, someone to go for dinner and to the cinema and have a decent conversation with. But I'm left feeling that this isn't what women are looking for.
'It's as if they want to be swept off their feet right from the first date, as if they're waiting for someone like Brad Pitt or George Clooney. They're not interested in a regular, normal, decent guy. That's not good enough for them.
'I spent three hours on a date with one woman. I thought we got on brilliantly, but then she said she didn't want to meet again.
'This has happened a few times. It makes me think that if you don't live up to their perfect fantasy, then that's it. It's game over before you've even had any chance to begin to get to know each other.
'It does dent your confidence. I'm left thinking either that there's something wrong with me or that I'll just never be whatever it is that these women are looking for.
'I know there are a lot of single women who say things like they're too independent, too feisty, too confident or too successful for men. Or they claim that men are intimidated by strong, intelligent and independent women.
'But this is simply not the case. I think they just tell themselves this. It's a way of rationalising things. It's as if it's easier for them to believe their own myths than to face reality - that they are completely ordinary.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1213212/The-ego-epidemic-more-inflated-sense-fabulousness.html#ixzz0xwuQoWW7
 ~Pedro Sanchez~
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 35
No more contact after you tell them what you do for a living
Posted: 8/30/2010 2:06:29 AM
Some women...say 88.63 percent of a bogus poll could not give a rats ass what their prospective partner does for a living.

But their bestest friend does.

They may not say it outright. They may skirt around the issue. They may say things like "awww, at least he's working and supporting himself and his kids." Bestest friends say things like that because they know their bestest friend is dating the least desirable of men with the crummiest jobs in comparison to their man.

Better the 'bestest friend' than them.

Hence they can patronise, be a little politically correct. Because that bad decision does not affect them one bit. And girls have their own version of 'my-dick-is bigger-than-yours' that we men play so often. Blokes don't do crap like that though. Men would simply say 'That job is shit. Dump the fecker...you can do better.'

Straight from the heart.

But women would never do that. If they did, they'd miss out on the most important entertainment value for the week. The effin' Drama. Women just love that shit!

Women (not generalising but since the particular gender is the subject of this discussion) fear these two questions the most, usually on a Monday morning, around 09:45 to 10:00 from their bestest friend:

1) What does he do?
2) What did you two lovebirds do in the weekend? Hmmm?

Think about that.

If loverboy is an environmental engineer (aka garbage truck driver or navigateur or bin-to-truck liaison specialist) then one can imagine a myriad of garish scenarios. Example:

1) Ah, he's a rubbish specialist, oh but the money is good! He's on contract at the minute, but there's prospect of permanent employment...I mean we all throw rubbish...all households do! Every Thursday on my street. Can you imagine if we brought our own truck and tender for the contract? The possibilities are endless! Today the street, tomorrow the world! And he's sooooo romantic! (Possible escalating drama here...possible serial.)

2) The weekend was fabulous! Went to the pub, had a go at the pokies but my god, it was just for a bit of fun. Then we had a counter meal....I've forgotten how good a pub counter meal was! Then the KISS tribute band came on! The bestest fun I had for a long while. About midnight the horney **stard wanted us to watch some dvds at his place! As if I wasn't on to him! Oh god, I was hammered. He's such a romantic in his own funny way...god I love him! (See what I mean? Its the DRAMA!)

And it goes on. The scenarios are the same, but if the jobs were different, the flavour is enhanced. Change rubbish specialist to F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Pilot. See how the weekend activity automatically changes as well? Its still drama but its a bit high-brow.

In summary:

1) Yes its true. Some women don't give a toss, as long as their bestest friend does not in any form whatsoever indicate that she's picked an outright 'winner'. Women are intuitive and sensitive about being given the patronising 'awww' on Mondays. They know, because they themselves do it to the other.

2) Jobs can alter the drama by many variants. Its terribly exciting to piece all sorts of possibilities. Jobs are important but its not about the money. Its the D-R-A-M-A. Here's a few exciting examples: Senior Optimisation Philosopher, The Big Branding Developer, Senior Forward Strategist, Lead Productivity Designer...surely these job titles mean jack shit, but it sounds good (for the DRAMA).

Moral of the story:

There's the 11.37% of women that genuinely do not give a rat's ass other than you have a job, you can afford to go out and have a good time, you have a baby sitter every other week to look after your kids, that you ALSO do not give a rat's ass about what they do for a living, and you do not have bad taste, because bad taste even on a cheap ass date is terribly unexciting.

The trick is sorting out the wheat from the chaff. Its hard but cheap and nasty is an easy road to hell. Don't go there.
 richbloke
Joined: 12/12/2008
Msg: 36
view profile
History
No more contact after you tell them what you do for a living
Posted: 10/28/2010 5:16:56 PM
Let's face it, there are occupations we would all be uncomfortable with any partner having. I like women to be very feminine so if she had a really macho job like a truck mechanic or a construction worker I probably wouldn't be very attracted to her anyway. Likewise, ambitious career women tend be to a turn-off for me also.

Other jobs I would not tolerate in a partner -

military personnel
police officer
intelligence operative
slaughterman
abortion performer
schoolteacher
pschychiatrist

Probably quite a few others...
 ~Pedro Sanchez~
Joined: 8/23/2010
Msg: 37
No more contact after you tell them what you do for a living
Posted: 10/31/2010 5:30:57 AM

intelligence operative


Look I kinda get why the appeal might get lost with a slaughterwoman...I mean the smell of death is certainly an interesting challenge to the senses...but a spook? What's a spook ever done to deserve such disqualification except work over time so people can have a complete set of limbs from the train station or partying from Bali or someplace? An abortion performer...you mean a medical doctor? A school teacher? A psychiatrist? A Mag 58 toting machine gunning hot tamale? A police woman? Seen the 70's series with Angie D1ckinson? Err...handcuffs? Like most professions there's many that would have a healthy dose of sex appeal. And some well, god-help-them.

Apart from the fresh scent of the abattoir, I cannot agree with your assessment. However, to each their own...more for those that are single, whose questioning would revolve around 'STD? Psychotic? Epileptic fits? Drug dependence? Lady boy?' on the first date, anyhow.

Disqualifying a potential root/ fb/ sexytary/ soul mate/ bookkeeper/ girlfriend/mistress/ wife over jobs is a tragic loss methinks..but that's the magic of it all. One person's reject is one person's poor judgement (lucky for some!).
 tinapenny
Joined: 8/30/2010
Msg: 38
No more contact after you tell them what you do for a living
Posted: 10/31/2010 6:36:34 AM

I like women to be very feminine so if she had a really macho job like a truck mechanic or a construction worker I probably wouldn't be very attracted to her anyway. Likewise, ambitious career women tend be to a turn-off for me also. Other jobs I would not tolerate in a partner -

military personnel
police officer
intelligence operative
slaughterman
abortion performer
schoolteacher
pschychiatrist

this is a kinda weird list because school teachers can be quite feminine looking. The real common denominator is power. And if you have a thing about women not having power, that is a bigger concern than anything you might do for a living.
 richbloke
Joined: 12/12/2008
Msg: 39
view profile
History
No more contact after you tell them what you do for a living
Posted: 11/6/2010 8:06:58 PM
No, it's not simply about power at all. It's more philosophical reasons. Military/police/intelligence are basically government enforcers. As I tend to be rather anti-government, I'd obviously not want a partner involved in such roles. I do not agree with school, therefore I wouldn't date a schoolteacher.
 richbloke
Joined: 12/12/2008
Msg: 40
view profile
History
No more contact after you tell them what you do for a living
Posted: 11/6/2010 8:19:13 PM

Disqualifying a potential root/ fb/ sexytary/ soul mate/ bookkeeper/ girlfriend/mistress/ wife over jobs is a tragic loss methinks..but that's the magic of it all. One person's reject is one person's poor judgement (lucky for some!).


A person's career can tell you a lot about the person. I don't want "just anyone". I want someone who matches my values.
 ohthereugo
Joined: 2/12/2008
Msg: 41
No more contact after you tell them what you do for a living
Posted: 11/12/2010 5:53:48 PM
You only need one woman TO BE INTO YOU .
 madmaxmel
Joined: 3/17/2010
Msg: 42
No more contact after you tell them what you do for a living
Posted: 11/17/2010 5:39:21 PM
OMG rich bloke you are fussy. What is wrong with those occupations? How is a teacher or policelady macho in her home? If a girl is macho it sounds sexy to me. Maybe I'm not fussy certainly sounds like some of you are.
 minxinheels
Joined: 11/8/2010
Msg: 43
No more contact after you tell them what you do for a living
Posted: 11/17/2010 10:45:33 PM
Hey richbloke, I know you don't agree with school, can I ask why that is? Is it all schools? What about Steiner schools? Or is it all organised groups you don't like?

What about non-goverment schools?

Do you not think that learning is important? If you think learning should be at a child's own pace, then what about a steiner or montossori school? Would you date a teacher from those schools?

What about someone who home schools their kids? Is this ok? I mean, given that they are technically supposed to deliver the same content, but with no formal training and a lot of the time, they don't deliver the course well?

As a teacher, I am curious.
 madmaxmel
Joined: 3/17/2010
Msg: 44
No more contact after you tell them what you do for a living
Posted: 11/24/2010 12:25:53 PM
I think all the lady teachers are getting stired up by richblokes silly hangup on not dating teachers LOL
 minxinheels
Joined: 11/8/2010
Msg: 45
No more contact after you tell them what you do for a living
Posted: 11/24/2010 6:09:51 PM
Plenty of rich blokes date teachers ;) and I'd much rather date one of those than a crazy anarchist commo!
 imaranga
Joined: 9/20/2009
Msg: 46
No more contact after you tell them what you do for a living
Posted: 11/24/2010 6:35:55 PM
No hope for me then!!!!
As I am a beer swilling tattooed medically challenged unemployed person and my piece de resistance "Bogan" who as had major dental work done.
Ah well, destined to be alone then unless there is a cabbie out there! PMSL
 tie_me_up81
Joined: 3/30/2010
Msg: 47
No more contact after you tell them what you do for a living
Posted: 11/26/2010 6:54:26 PM

No more contact after you tell them what you do for a living


Because for many women, it's okay to objectify a man's social status or wallet before considering who he is in the heart.

But it's a crime for a man to objectify women before who they simply are in the heart.
 minxinheels
Joined: 11/8/2010
Msg: 48
No more contact after you tell them what you do for a living
Posted: 11/27/2010 8:17:39 PM
Men objectify women all the time, but if women want to date a guy with a good job they're called gold diggers, rather than just not wanting to date some loser with a junk job!
 tie_me_up81
Joined: 3/30/2010
Msg: 49
No more contact after you tell them what you do for a living
Posted: 11/27/2010 10:46:57 PM
During the recession or shall I call it the "hecession" a vast majority of people who lost their jobs were men. In today's western world, women are holding most of the jobs.

So get used to seeing men with junk jobs or being unemployed.
 imaranga
Joined: 9/20/2009
Msg: 50
No more contact after you tell them what you do for a living
Posted: 11/27/2010 11:40:27 PM
What determines or should it be "who" determines whether a person's job is a "junk" job? And does it necessarily make them an automatic loser?
As tie me up says, a lot of people lost jobs during the GFC and may now be in a completely different area of work - a lot of high fliers are now employed in more mundane areas - are they losers?
Show ALL Forums  > Australia  > No more contact after you tell them what you do for a living