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 ladyc4
Joined: 2/14/2006
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Even medical professionals don't always agree about particular Rx "cocktails". Unless she has lots of cash, I don't see how she could be "dr.hopping" and getting these meds at different places. If she has medical insurance with an Rx benefit,many of those insurance companies-and a lot of pharmacy chains- have a "red flag" safety feature that will activate in case of significant interactions, incorrect dosage amounts, etc.
Has she mentioned to you if she is experiencing an unusually stressful situation, or does she perhaps have an autoimmune or chronic pain condition?
And I do have to ask, would you be here presenting this concern if the Rxs were perhaps Lipitor,Celebrex, Zestril?
Cindy O
 .dej
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Posted: 7/19/2010 10:51:23 AM

No balanced, healthy, whole person is in need of any of these drugs.

Well by definition, someone who is completely healthy doesn't need any drugs ever. Obviously at least 80% of people don't qualify as completely healthy in every way.
 ladyc4
Joined: 2/14/2006
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Posted: 7/19/2010 7:15:06 PM

The only drug that was actually prescribed to her was the Ambien. The Xanax and Klonopin were prescribed to a family member.

OK-that helps. I can now tell you exactly what's wrong with her.
She's an IDIOT!
Taking other people's Rx medications on top of your own Rx meds can be highly risky.And what about the family member whom these Rx are SUPPOSED to be for? Then that person is not getting the appropriate dosage and beneficial effects of the medication.
I'm not sure whether discussing this with her is gonna help,but I do give you points for being willing to do that instead of just dumping her.
There can be a lot of reasons why a person might be taking 2 or 3 mood-related/psychiatric meds, because some of them have other beneficial effects or bona-fide uses "off label"...but this is for a DOCTOR to advise-not something people should be fooling with on their own.
Cindy O
 lovebeingmom
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Posted: 7/20/2010 12:23:48 AM
in some ways she is hurting people who need those meds and take them properly as prescribed TO THEM. because some drugs and some issues have a bad rep by not doing things properly it just reinforces the negative stereotype.

Kind of like chronic pain or any pain for that matter. because some people get addicted take them for other reasons etc etc people who need them legitimately suffer the same negative connotation.

i know sometimes people get desperate because they do have legit issues but cant adford doctor, or can not find a doctor to listen or help ( trust me it happens). but still this is dangerous for many reasons

and there is a difference between dependance and addiction. one is your bodies physical reaction and need for a drug, the other (addicition) includes a psychological NEED in addition to this. which in my opinion is harder to get rid of

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 HoosierInMo
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Posted: 7/20/2010 12:02:45 PM
OP, never seek advice concerning medical matters in a POF forum, or any similar forum. There is no one here, myself included who is able to give you a qualified opinion. You'll get mostly ill-informed opinions from overly inflated egos who believe that if they state their opinion strongly enough it will make their opinion true.

However, being a mental health patient myself, there is some advice that I'm very qualified to give

I would like to suggest to you OP, that knowing the information concerning your girlfriend's mental health as you do, places upon you a responsibility to respect her privacy concerning these matters. I would recommend that you discuss it with her by asking fair reasonable questions and then suggesting the two of you see her physician together. If she is not seeing a Psychiatrist, and is seeing only a GP, recommend it and encourage her that it is no different than seeking a second opinion. Then if you get the chance, ask about the combination. When I read them at first I was confused, but then when I asked my Pharmacist father, and my RN mother, they suggested that it's quite possible that the Klonopin was prescribed as a maintenance drug, and the Xanax as a PRN drug in the case of extreme episodes of anxiety that may be caused by missed doses, or exceptionally severe circumstances that may exacerbate anxiety. Neither felt the combination was necessarily a sign of abuse or prescription stacking.

Finally I will say that it took a lot of doing for me to seek help. I have ADD to the tenth degree apparently accompanied by an anxiety disorder. I certainly feel like a reasonable, intelligent, balanced individual, and most people who know me would be inclined to think so. But I was clearly having life controlling issues that I kept well hidden from everyone except my employer. My job was at risk so I decided to seek help. It was the best thing I ever did. I now take 2 20 mg Adderall everyday to treat the symptoms of the ADD along with an extended release Depakote. The change was almost instantaneous. My work performance is improving (I just hope it's not too late), My emotional health is improving, I graduated from college finally with honors and I'm generally happier. The only insanity in my life was the 30 plus years I fought to function without treatment. Top chef suggests my need for medication indicates I'm not healthy or balanced. I argue that the medication makes me healthy and balanced and as long as I continue to take the medications in coordination with my GP and my Psychiatrist, that makes me healthy and balanced.
 HoosierInMo
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Posted: 7/20/2010 12:07:37 PM
Almost forgot, although this is important enough it deserves its own space.

NEVER!!!NEVER!!!NEVER!!! flush prescription drugs down the toilet, or pour down the sink. Mix it up with other unwanted refuse, seal it in a plastic bag or in a can and throw out with the trash.
 ladyc4
Joined: 2/14/2006
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Posted: 7/20/2010 12:36:07 PM
KCCal
While in no way intending to discount or disrespect the excellent points you brought up, I don't think anybody took the OP to be asking for medical ADVICE-simply for opinions or any commentary from those who might have had similar experiences.
And MY point is, that the OP reported in a post subsequent to the OT, that only one of the 3 medications is actually prescribed to his gf-and the other 2 that she takes(probably PRN) are from Rx's belonging to other members of her family.
And sometimes it IS a bit of a trial and error thing to find the medications, dosages and combinations that are effective without setting up a scenario in which the SIDE EFFECTS are actually more problematic than the symptoms they were supposed to alleviate. Trust me, I've been battling several issues triggered by a seemingly minor(at the time) closed head injury.
As for those who take the position that anyone taking medications that MAY be prescribed for "mental illness" is anathema, my personal thoughts-while again meaning compassion more than disrespect-is that those folks may be the ones who would be significantly BENEFITTED by medication/therapy themselves. And I notice nobody responded to my inquiry as to whether this would be such a hot topic if the 3 meds involved were-oh,say-Celebrex, Lipitor,Zestril? I suppose I should consider the lack of response to BE the answer-and somehow or other I 'm really NOT surprised...
Cindy O
 ladyc4
Joined: 2/14/2006
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Posted: 7/20/2010 2:01:03 PM

I'm not sure what those are for aside from the Lipitor but I would say YES if those drugs, or the condition they are used for, had side effects that promote moodiness.

Celebrex is for arthritis, Zestril is for hypertension(high blood pressure)
I was simply exploring the possibility that again there's a "mental health issue" stigma at work here-whereas the other medications are for physical conditions. And one could probably engineer a position that someone with these physical ailments might not be "good" relationship partners,either. Because they might have conditions that make it difficult for them to be highly active on a consistent basis(arthritis),and someone with cholesterol/HBP might have sexual problems, and more likely to die as a DIRECT result of the condition. It seems to me that the question becomes-"so how far do we take our fear and loathing of medication/health issues when it comes to pair-bond relationships"?
However, what seems to be going on here is that her doctor is probably NOT an idiot, rather (s)he is unaware of the girl taking the Xanax and Klonopin-because those meds actually belong to SOMEONE ELSE.
I know that there can be a bit of "sharing" among close friends/family members of SOME types of Rx medications. I'm not saying that's wise, either-but people do it,again mostly I think it's short term pain meds, antibiotics,etc, not "psychiatric" or "neurological" medications.
As for the OP's question, I don't think anyone can say for sure whether it's "too much" or "wrong"-but taking other Rx that were not prescribed to her is certainly UNWISE.
I could be that diagnosis and treatment could result in MORE medications, or a "trial and error" interlude while the appropriate medications/combinations and dosages are worked out.
But the OP should encourage her to talk seriously and openly with her doctor, get referred to a specialist(s),etc, not raiding the family medicine cabinet to self-treat.
Cindy O
 DragNFlyBuzzez
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Posted: 7/20/2010 3:53:31 PM
Very bad mix, does she add a****ail or two as well. That combination was final straw for my marriage.

my ex went to 3 different doctors for her supply, found out she was on zanex for 11 yrs then added the others ambien and klonipin then a phantom back injury with Oxycotin and Hydrocodone , we moved out sept 09

Try to get her to deal with her depression, unchecked this could lead to another ruined parent
 idahosun
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Posted: 7/20/2010 7:45:10 PM
I don't know about using ambien with klonopin and xanax, but I do know xanax and klonopin can be and are used in combination to prevent panic attacks. My family has heriditary panic disorder and one member uses both of those drugs and they are the combo for him/her that works the best. Other family members only use xanax. My family members do not respond well to the long-lasting anti-anxiety meds so most use a single drug. And xanax can help with insomnia, which I have. I have tried lunesta and it did not help with my sleep problems. So, it is not unusual to take klonopin and xanax. As the other posters have pointed out, you need to discuss this with her and find out why she is on the drugs and, if possible, attend a Dr. appt. with her. She may have a myriad of mental health issues or she may have panic disorder which causes insomnia in some people. You simply need to know what she is being treated for and if she is receiving the meds from a "legitimate" source, then you can deal with the issue. Good luck.
 idahosun
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Posted: 7/20/2010 10:19:41 PM
Ooops, I missed the part that she is not being prescribed the klonopin and xanax, she needs to see a Dr. and get the correct meds for whatever she is dealing with. If you want to stay with her, you have to bring this up - maybe by saying "I am worried that you are taking these meds that have not been prescribed for you...please lets talk about this..."
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
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Posted: 7/20/2010 11:29:25 PM

And I do have to ask, would you be here presenting this concern if the Rxs were perhaps Lipitor,Celebrex, Zestril?


Actually, for me, it would be a major concern. . . . Two out of those three have major nerve/muscle/heart problems. The third, only sexual problems. Life style changes can and often do obviate the need. Don't let your doctor prescribe anything that you haven't researched on your own, seriously. Or get a woman doctor who isn't influenced by the cheerleader drug reps flashing her thighs. . . .

As for the flushers. . . . DON'T!!!
http://www.greencitizen.com/recycling/recycle_medicine.php
If you're not lucky enough to live in California, check with your local recycling peeps. But *please* stop poisoning the groundwater.

 ladyc4
Joined: 2/14/2006
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Posted: 7/21/2010 8:42:41 AM
Cindy, imo, I think taking any med not prescribed to you is dangerous,

Oh, I ABSOFREAKINLUTELY agree with you on this...I merely MENTIONED that sometimes perfectly normal honest hardworking people might give a family member or friend,oh say a Flexeril(mild muscle relaxant), some leftover antibiotic(yeah yeah I know you are SUPPOSED TO take all of it).To be routinely or frequently dosing oneself with other peoples' Rx is in NO WAY something I advocate. Let me make that ABUNDANTLY clear.

If she was taking lipitor, that could ruin her liver. Liver levels do need to be monitored. Celebrex changes serotonin and can have side effects from my limited knowledge. Zestril, know nothing about it.


Actually, for me, it would be a major concern. . . . Two out of those three have major nerve/muscle/heart problems. The third, only sexual problems.

I am well aware of all this,which is why I have rejected Celebrex for my arthritis and Fibromyalgia. The POINT I was TRYING to make with my question, is that since Celebrex,Lipitor, Zestril,Avandia,Zocor, Singulair,etc are popular and widely advertised drugs for PHYSICAL conditions,would people be running to others for "opinions"if a relationship partner was taking them? Granted, a couple of people have pointed out potential side-effects and risks of longterm use,particularly if not monitored. I don't argue that point at all. I'm just asking if the OP would have felt the need to start a topic here if his gf was taking Singulair(asthma/allergies) and RX strength ibuprofen?

Don't let your doctor prescribe anything that you haven't researched on your own, seriously. Or get a woman doctor who isn't influenced by the cheerleader drug reps flashing her thighs. . .

I myself follow both those suggestions and I have absolutely NO PROBLEM rejecting a medication that causes side effects that are unacceptable or unsafe for me and my personal situation.
Mesg 59...wow, talk about making a mountain out of a molehill. But thenI see this so much in folks who rely on internet dating sites exclusively, those huge "red flag" glasses. The slightest thing out of the completely ordinary becomes a huge warning sign...the person is a druggie, an alky, a huge medical/financial crisis looking for a place to happen. Where is the "chillin" in this diatribe? How do YOU know that this isn't simply a woman experiencing some issues with anxiety,insomnia, maybe panic attacks? Granted, using other people's unused RX is not real smart but I certainly don't think it's "proof" that the OP's gf is a junkie who will drag him to destruction.

The whole reason these people need drugs like this is that they are"NOT"balanced and emotionally healthy.

Believe it or not will power alone can not help you cope or recover from psychiatric illnesses.Herbs, supplements,yoga and positive thinking will not help or make you recover from the more serious mental health diseases.
Or even from serious PHYSICAL disease. Herbs and supplements can be a help(be sure you do thorough research on possible interactions, side effects,etc.) But people can be very impaired in functionality by depression, anxiety, panic attacks. PTSD, injury-precipitated psychiatric/neurological problems and all the willpower, yoga, fresh air and exercise,prayer,highly restricted diet,etc will NOT magically "make it go away".

Or get a woman doctor who isn't influenced by the cheerleader drug reps flashing her thighs. . . .


Ladies and gentlemen, may I present another narrow-mined insutling comment, borne of ignorance and an embittered attitude to life.

Actually, the practice that my woman doctor and woman pharmacist are in seem to make excellent use of samples and promotional efforts that come to them from the drug companies,to help save patients expense, insurance co hassles, etc.where possible. I DO NOT DISAGREE that there is quite a bit of incentive for doctors to prescribe medications,but not all are being abusive with it.This follows the advice that one needs to be,if necessary, a "difficult patient"in asking for information,researching side effects,etc.
OP, if you haven't been totally freaked out by the responses-you DO need to strongly encourage your gf to discuss her issues with her dr and request referral to a specialist in anxiety and panic disorders.
Cindy O
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
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Posted: 7/21/2010 11:40:52 AM
Ladies and gentlemen, may I present another narrow-mined insutling comment, borne of ignorance and an embittered attitude to life.


Oh, my, lol! Here ya go:


Stories abound about doctors who mistook a sales pitch as an invitation to more. A doctor in Washington pleaded guilty to assault last year and gave up his license after forcibly kissing a saleswoman on the lips.

One informal survey, conducted by a urologist in Pittsburgh, Dr. James J. McCague, found that 12 of 13 medical saleswomen said they had been sexually harassed by physicians. Dr. McCague published his findings in the trade magazine Medical Economics under the title "Why Was That Doctor Naked in His Office?"

Penny Ramsey Otwell, who cheered for the University of Maryland and now sells for Wyeth in the Dallas area, says she has managed to avoid such encounters.

"We have a few of those doctors in our territory," said Ms. Otwell, 30, who was a contestant on the CBS television show "Survivor." "They'll get called on by representatives who can handle that kind of talk, ones that can tolerate it and don't think anything about it."

But there have been accusations that a pharmaceutical company encouraged using sex to make drug sales. In a federal lawsuit against Novartis, one saleswoman said she had been encouraged to exploit a personal relationship with a doctor to increase sales in her Montgomery, Ala., territory. In court papers responding to the lawsuit, Novartis denied the accusation. The company has also said it is committed to hiring and promoting women.

For her part, Ms. Napier, the TAP Pharmaceutical saleswoman, says it is partly her local celebrity that gives her a professional edge. On the University of Kentucky cheering squad, Ms. Napier stood out for her long dark hair and tiny physique that landed her atop human pyramids.

"If I have a customer who is a real big U.K. fan, we'll have stories to tell each other," Ms. Napier said. "If they can remember me as the cheerleader — she has Prevacid — it just allows you do to so many things."

source: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/28/business/28cheer.html?hp=&pagewanted=print 28nov2005




To sell their drugs, pharmaceutical companies hire former cheerleaders and ex-models to wine and dine doctors, exaggerate the drug's benefits and underplay their side-effects, a former sales rep told a Congressional committee this morning.
Shahram Ahari

Shahram Ahari, who spent two years selling Prozac and Zypraxa for Eli Lily, told a Senate Aging Committee chaired by Sen. Herb Kohl, D-Wisc., that his job involved "rewarding physicians with gifts and attention for their allegiance to your product and company despite what may be ethically appropriate."

Ahari claims that drug companies like hiring former cheerleaders and ex-models, as well as former athletes and members of the military, many of whom have no background in science.

"On my first day of sales class, among 21 trainees and two instructors, I was the only one with any level of college-level science education," Ahari told ABCNews.com on Tuesday.

During their five-week training class, Ahari claims that instructors teach sales tactics, including how to exceed spending limits for important clients, being generous with free samples to leverage sales, using friendships and personal gifts to foster a "quid pro quo" relationship, and how to exploit sexual tension.


source: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4438095&page=1




As for my "embittered attitude to life" please read my profile and posting history. . . .

Live long and prosper!


Edit: ^^^^ Cindy, I can't recall the last time (if ever) that I've disagreed with you. Go gurl!!
Edit #2: Annie, troo. Which is why one needs to consider the *source* lol! I first became aware when a lovely friend of mind got a job as a drug rep. *She* was appalled at the things expected of her. . . .
 ladyc4
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Posted: 7/21/2010 12:11:21 PM

"On my first day of sales class, among 21 trainees and two instructors, I was the only one with any level of college-level science education," Ahari told ABCNews.com

Well, since these trainees were being hired/trained in a marketing/sales capacity,NOT to actually research , formulate, test and get FDA approval for medications, why would that be such a big deal? I'm going to go out on a limb here and PRESUME that these trainees knew how to read and to research, and had sufficient integrity to go into some other line of work or sales field if they felt that they were being required to behave unethically or foster untruthful information.
It's an unfortunate modern principle of marketing that "sex sells"...everything from food and cosmetics, cleaning products, automobiles,and yes, even medications. Has anyone seen an fat or unattractive,or downright homely person in any TV commercial for prescription medicines?
Cindy O
 idahosun
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Posted: 7/22/2010 9:51:55 PM
Actually most psychiatrists only do meds, very few do any actual counseling, so those with anxiety issues will need meds and probably counseling with a psychologist or other professional counselor. The psychiatrist will have the person in for periodic med checks and to see if progress is being made in handling the illness.
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Posted: 7/23/2010 7:46:31 PM
Bit confused but 2 things if I've got this straight. Firstly if she freely admitted taking drugs not prescribed for her it sounds like you have good communication and trust.
Secondly, if her doc doesn't know what she's taking, what happens if she has a medical emergency? She could be given unsuitable anaesthetics for example. Or havea bad reaction. I used to take Ambien and had a couple of falls getting up in the night.
I think that a bit of tough love may work. I'm assuming you're not a nurse and she ultimately has to take responsibility for herself.
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Posted: 7/24/2010 6:57:12 AM
I'm having flashbacks to a horrible dating experience I once had. I had met a guy who was on all of those meds, plus he was also taking Trazadone and Seroquel. I started wondering "what" was needing to be supressed. I was afraid I was dating a supressed Hannibal Lector. We did talk about it and it turned out he was bi-polar.
I decided to give him a chance, as he did have a better personality than some of the undiagnosed guys I'd been out with!
Anyway, he ended up having a very scary manic situation where his whole personality changed and he seemed to be hallucinating. He nearly killed me as he went into a rage over people destroying the environment. At that point, his anger was not directed at me, but when I attempted to break up with him, he went beserk, and left messages on my machine that sounded worse than Mel Gibson's rants. He also threatened to kill me and continued leaving messages on my voice mail for 2 years after we broke up. ...So, with his girl , Im not saying dump her, but you definetly need to talk with her and just be aware that they may be a serious problem looming ahead.
 ladyc4
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Posted: 7/24/2010 3:31:03 PM
Ambien is a sedative, also called a hypnotic. It affects chemicals in your brain that may become unbalanced and cause sleep problems (insomnia).

Ambien is used for the short-term treatment of insomnia (difficulty falling or staying asleep). This medication causes relaxation to help you fall asleep.

Ambien may also be used for purposes other than those listed in this medication guide.
Ambien may cause a severe allergic reaction. Stop taking it and get emergency medical help if you have any of these signs of an allergic reaction: hives; difficulty breathing; swelling of your face, lips, tongue, or throat. Ambien will make you fall asleep. Never take this medication during your normal waking hours, unless you have a full 7 to 8 hours to dedicate to sleeping.

Some people using this medicine have engaged in activity such as driving, eating, or making phone calls and later having no memory of the activity. If this happens to you, stop taking Ambien and talk with your doctor about another treatment for your sleep disorder.
Ambien can cause side effects that may impair your thinking or reactions. You may still feel sleepy the morning after taking the medication. Until you know how this medication will affect you during waking hours, be careful if you drive, operate machinery, pilot an airplane, or do anything that requires you to be awake and alert. Do not drink alcohol while you are taking this medication. It can increase some of the side effects of Ambien, including drowsiness. This medication may be habit-forming and should be used only by the person it was prescribed for. Ambien should never be shared with another person, especially someone who has a history of drug abuse or addiction. Keep the medication in a secure place where others cannot get to it.

Klonopin
Klonopin is used for: Controlling certain types of seizures in the treatment of epilepsy and for the treatment of
Klonopin is used alone or along with other medications to treat convulsive disorders such as epilepsy. It is also prescribed for panic disorder—unexpected attacks of overwhelming panic accompanied by fear of recurrence. Klonopin belongs to a class of drugs known as benzodiazepines.
Klonopin works best when there is a constant amount in the bloodstream. To keep blood levels as constant as possible, take your doses at regularly spaced intervals and try not to miss any.

How should you take Klonopin?
Take Klonopin exactly as prescribed. If you are taking it for panic disorder and you find it makes you sleepy, your doctor may recommend a single dose at bedtime.

If you miss a dose...
If it is within an hour after the missed time, take the dose as soon as you remember. If you do not remember until later, skip the dose and go back to your regular schedule. Never take 2 doses at the same time.
Storage instructions...
Store at room temperature away from heat, light, and moisture.
What side effects may occur?
Side effects cannot be anticipated. If any develop or change in intensity, inform your doctor as soon as possible. Only your doctor can determine if it is safe for you to continue taking Klonopin.

Side effects in seizure disorders may include:
Behavior problems, drowsiness, lack of muscular coordination
Side effects in panic disorder may include:
Allergic reaction, constipation, coordination problems, depression, dizziness, fatigue, inflamed sinuses or nasal passages, flu, memory problems, menstrual problems, nervousness, reduced thinking ability, respiratory infection, sleepiness, speech problems, vaginal inflammation
Klonopin can also cause aggressive behavior, agitation, anxiety, excitability, hostility, irritability, nervousness, nightmares, sleep disturbances, and vivid dreams.

Side effects due to a rapid decrease in dose or abrupt withdrawal from Klonopin may include:
Abdominal and muscle cramps, behavior disorders, convulsions, depressed feeling, hallucinations, restlessness, sleeping difficulties, tremors



Special warnings about Klonopin
Klonopin may cause you to become drowsy or less alert; therefore, you should not drive or operate dangerous machinery or participate in any hazardous activity that requires full mental alertness until you know how Klonopin affects you.



Klonopin can be habit-forming and can lose its effectiveness as you build up a tolerance to it. You may experience withdrawal symptoms—such as convulsions, hallucinations, tremor, and abdominal and muscle cramps—if you stop using Klonopin abruptly. Discontinue or change your dose only in consultation with your doctor.

Xanax
Xanax is used for:
Treating anxiety and panic disorder. It may also be used to treat other conditions as determined by your doctor.

Xanax is a benzodiazepine. It works by slowing down the movement of chemicals in the brain. This results in a reduction in nervous tension (anxiety).

Do NOT use Xanax if:
you are allergic to any ingredient in Xanax or other benzodiazepines (eg, diazepam)
you have acute narrow-angle glaucoma, severe liver disease, or a mental state where contact with reality is lost (psychosis)
you are taking an azole antifungal (eg, itraconazole, ketoconazole), delavirdine, or sodium oxybate (GHB)
Contact your doctor or health care provider right away if any of these apply to you.

Before using Xanax:
Some medical conditions may interact with Xanax. Tell your doctor or pharmacist if you have any medical conditions, especially if any of the following apply to you:

if you are pregnant, plan to become pregnant, or are breast-feeding
if you are taking any prescription or nonprescription medicine, herbal preparation, or dietary supplement
if you have allergies to medicines or other substances
if you have glaucoma or a predisposition for glaucoma, liver problems, lung problems or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), muscle problems, depression, suicidal tendencies, a blood disorder known as porphyria, or a history of substance abuse or dependence
Some MEDICINES MAY INTERACT with Xanax. Tell your health care provider if you are taking any other medicines, especially any of the following:

Rifampin or St. John's wort because the effectiveness of Xanax may be decreased
Azole antifungals (eg, itraconazole, ketoconazole), cimetidine, clozapine, delavirdine, fluvoxamine, HIV protease inhibitors (eg, ritonavir), fluoxetine, macrolides and ketolides (eg, erythromycin, azithromycin), nefazodone, omeprazole, propoxyphene, sodium oxybate (GHB), or valproic acid because side effects such as increased sedation or heart problems may occur
Clozapine, hydantoins (eg, phenytoin), or valproic acid because the actions and side effects of these medicines may be increased
This may not be a complete list of all interactions that may occur. Ask your health care provider if Xanax may interact with other medicines that you take. Check with your health care provider before you start, stop, or change the dose of any medicine.



How to use Xanax:
Use Xanax as directed by your doctor. Check the label on the medicine for exact dosing instructions.

Xanax may be taken with or without food. If stomach upset occurs, take with food to reduce stomach irritation.
Avoid eating grapefruit or drinking grapefruit juice while you are being treated with Xanax.
If you miss a dose of Xanax and you are using it regularly, take it as soon as possible. If it is almost time for your next dose, skip the missed dose and go back to your regular dosing schedule. Do not take 2 doses at once.
Ask your health care provider any questions you may have about how to use Xanax.

Important safety information:
Xanax may cause drowsiness, dizziness, lightheadedness, or blurred vision. Do not drive, operate machinery, or do anything else that could be dangerous until you know how you react to Xanax. Using Xanax alone, with certain other medicines, or with alcohol may lessen your ability to drive or to perform other potentially dangerous tasks.
Avoid drinking alcohol or taking other medications that cause drowsiness (eg, sedatives, tranquilizers) while taking Xanax. Xanax will add to the effects of alcohol and other depressants. Ask your pharmacist if you have questions about which medicines are depressants.
Do not smoke while using Xanax. Cigarette smoking decreases blood levels of Xanax. Tell your doctor if you smoke or if you have recently stopped smoking.
Use Xanax with caution in the ELDERLY because they may be more sensitive to its effects.
Xanax is not recommended for use in CHILDREN; safety and effectiveness have not been confirmed.
PREGNANCY and BREAST-FEEDING: Xanax has been shown to cause harm to the human fetus. If you plan on becoming pregnant, discuss with your doctor the benefits and risks of using Xanax during pregnancy. Xanax is excreted in breast milk. Do not breast-feed while taking Xanax.
When used for long periods of time or at high doses, Xanax may not work as well and may require higher doses to obtain the same effect as when originally taken. This is known as TOLERANCE. Talk with your doctor if Xanax stops working well. Do not take more than prescribed.

Xanax may be habit-forming and lead to DEPENDENCE if used in high doses or for a long period of time. If you are on long-term or high dosage therapy, you may have WITHDRAWAL symptoms (eg, convulsions, tremor, stomach and muscle cramps, vomiting, sweating) if you suddenly stop taking Xanax. Do not stop therapy abruptly or change dosage without asking your pharmacist or doctor. Discuss overuse with your doctor or pharmacist.

Possible side effects of Xanax:
All medicines may cause side effects, but many people have no, or minor, side effects. Check with your doctor if any of these most COMMON side effects persist or become bothersome:

Changes in appetite; changes in sexual desire; constipation; dizziness; drowsiness; dry mouth; increased saliva production; lightheadedness; tiredness; trouble concentrating; unsteadiness; weight changes.

Seek medical attention right away if any of these SEVERE side effects occur:
Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue); confusion; decreased urination; fainting; hallucinations; loss of coordination; memory problems; menstrual changes; muscle twitching; new or worsening mental or mood problems (eg, depression, irritability, anxiety); overstimulation; red, swollen blistered, or peeling skin; seizures; severe dizziness; severe or persistent trouble sleeping; suicidal thoughts or actions; trouble speaking (eg, stammering, stuttering); yellowing of the eyes or skin.

This is not a complete list of all side effects that may occur. If you have questions about side effects, contact your health care provider. Call your doctor for medical advice about side effects. You may report side effects to FDA at 1-800-FDA-1088. You may also report side effects at http://www.fda.gov/medwatch.

Trazodone
Trazodone is used for: Treating depression. It may also be used for relief of an anxiety disorder (eg, sleeplessness, tension), chronic pain. It may also be used for other conditions as determined by your doctor.
All medicines may cause side effects, but many people have no, or minor, side effects. Check with your doctor if any of these most COMMON side effects persist or become bothersome when using Trazodone:

Blurred vision; constipation; decreased appetite; dizziness; drowsiness; dry mouth; general body discomfort; headache; incoordination; light-headedness; muscle aches/pains; nausea; nervousness; sleeplessness; stomach pain; stuffy nose; swelling of the skin; tiredness; tremors.

Seek medical attention right away if any of these SEVERE side effects occur when using Trazodone:
Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue); blood in urine; chest pain; fainting; hallucinations; irregular heartbeat; light-headedness when rising from a lying or seated position; prolonged, inappropriate, or painful erections; seizures; shortness of breath; stroke; vomiting.

I did not read through every word of the voluminous information, but I saw nothing in the basic patient information indicating that it was a special drug for "anger". I did see mention of it being used for chronic/intractable pain disorders like fibromyalgia and Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy Syndrome.

So OK, I think we ALL agree that the OP's gf should not be taking medications borrowed fom family or friends.
And did it even cross anyone elses's mnd that maybe the poor girl is suffering from anxiety/panic,even maybe PTSD caused by abuse or assault that she didn't report,and/or care to discuss with her BF. Though I suppose that if the OP mentioned that she had been beaten or raped, or in a physically abusive relationship-people would still be saying the OP should run away,that the drugs were making the gf "some other person"...
Sorry about the length here.
The information comes from
http://www.drugs.com/search
Cindy O
 ladyc4
Joined: 2/14/2006
Msg: 66
Klonopin, xanax, ambien...does anyone think that this is way too much??
Posted: 7/25/2010 1:56:24 PM
I will offer this snippet, based on personal experiences-that even medical professionals,INCLUDING psychiatrists, can disagree with another pyschiatrists' diagnosis and prescriptions. There is a great tendency in defensive medicine( those drs who serve employers, workers comp and insurance) to make EVERY issue about psychological/psychiatric conditions. Tell the wrong dr that you have good days and bad days with your fibromyalgia, RSDS,MS, many other chronic pain/fatigue conditions, episodic, relapsing-remitting conditions, and you WILL be diagnosed with bi-polar disorder.

The bottom line here is that the OP's gf is apparently "borrowing" the klonopin and the xanax, it is not officially prescribed to her. However, all of these medications are so commonly prescribed that they aren't much different than freakin' aspirin. I'm not going to get into a diatribe about it, I'm just telling you that this situation with the OP's gf is probably NOT the end of the world, I doubt she's going to turn into an axe murderer simply because she takes meds for anxiety and insomnia. I WILL say that she should be working, in an integrated manner, with her primary dr, and at least a counselor to figure out whether there are 'fixable' and/or 'manageable' external stressors that are contributing the brain chemical imbalances here.
Really, this is all kind of a tempest in a teapot. Yes, absolutely the OP's gf should not be "occasionally borrowing" a dose of klonopin and/or xanax-she should be talking with her dr, possibly needing referral to a specialist. But I do not see this as the big cause for terror that some are making it out to be. Yeah yeah she "MIGHT" flip out and kick him in the nuts or something...but stop and think about all the people who have assaulted and even killed other people-sometimes family members or spouses, who don't even take an ASPIRIN.
Perspective, people! Perspective!
Cindy O
 ladyc4
Joined: 2/14/2006
Msg: 68
Klonopin, xanax, ambien...does anyone think that this is way too much??
Posted: 7/26/2010 10:07:43 AM

Cindy, the only one thinking she might be an axe murderer is you.

LOL. I forget that sarcasm, exaggeration/hyperbole for effect, and wry/dry humor don't always come across here.
I do absofreakinlutely agree that "borrowing' somebody else's RX meds is not generally a good idea. I agree that the OP, if he is on a stable,familiar basis with the gf, should be suggesting that she should be working with her own dr and not doing "band-aid" treatments with other people's anti-anxiety meds. The reason I stuck a qualifier in there(stable,familiar basis) is because, if this is a new/early stages relationship, the gf might think that boundaries are being crossed or she might just start concealing her medical issues.
What bothers ME, is the number of people who themselves more or less flipped out and told the OP to run like hell, who reported ONE negative/frightening experience with someone taking an anti-depressant or anti-anxiety medication. There are some meds that are "technically" anti-depressants that are commonly prescribed for certain types of chronic pain conditions. Or to stop smoking. From all I'm able to observe and determination, tranquilizer/anti-anxiety meds are super-commonly prescribed. Tell your dr you are down because your dog died, and he might prescribe a short-term RX anti-depressant.
When my husband passed away, I could not BELIEVE the number of friends, relatives and well meaning acquaintances who told me that my dr could "prescribe something to help you"...
Which brings me to another point...while we've probably scared the HELL out of the OP, if he's still following this thread, I'd like to suggest that he explore the possibilities that his gf may have recently experienced some superstressful situation, or maybe a family member/close friend is seriously ill, she might have suffered some kind of loss or bereavement, have financial or employment anxieties....
The question was "does anyone else see this as way too much"? My answer initially was "it depends!" and of course when it was revealed that some of the medication is NOT rxed specifically for the person in question, my concern became that she should be working directly and HONESTLY with her own physician about her issues, but I still don't think anybody can say "it's way too much". Even practicing psychiatrists can disagree on medication strategies and dosages, I've PERSONALLY encountered that a few years ago.
The answer to "does anyone else think this is way too much?" ...? Hell, we live in countries where freedom of thought is a basic human right, we can all THINK anything we damn well please. But when someone voices their thoughts in such a way that it could interfere with someone's pair-bond relationship, when they have no qualification to do so, and on a techical and subjective issue,that bothers me.
Cindy O
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Joined: 3/2/2008
Msg: 69
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Klonopin, xanax, ambien...does anyone think that this is way too much??
Posted: 7/27/2010 10:12:38 AM
I haven't read the whole thread, just skimmed the posts.

These are just a few of my personal thoughts.

Taking other people's medication is not a good idea...if this woman has issues that she needs to address, she needs to see a Dr. about those issues. IF she has an anxiety problem, it's possible it could be addressed without medication....then it would be GONE, not just covered over. Unfortunately, some people are very secretive about their issues, and supplying them with medication isn't really a good solution to their problem.

Many drugs are "multi use" these days. Epilepsy drugs are used as tranquilizers, and mood stabilizers...anti-depressants as sleep aids....I'm sure Cindy mentioned this. My point is, that because someone is using a drug that is mostly known for mental health uses, doesn't mean that the person taking the drug doesn't ACTUALLY have Epilepsy. A rush to judgment isn't really fair, unless you find out what the actual reason that the person is taking the drug is.

Does it look like OP's g/f is taking too much...on the surface....and if they aren't prescribed....yes. She may need medication, but if the medication were prescribed, she may only need one drug to do the job of the hit and miss drugs that she's taking now. OP mentions that the drugs are changing her....it's because they aren't consistent....hit and miss use for people who need medication is often worse than not taking the drugs at all. Mood swings are inevitable when using non-prescribed, when she can get them meds.

I know a few people....mostly older....who are on a lot of meds...different meds....but they are monitored by their Dr.(s) and are used to provide a better quality of life. If something isn't right, it's either tweaked, changed or eliminated, and the person chooses to live with it......
 ladyc4
Joined: 2/14/2006
Msg: 71
Klonopin, xanax, ambien...does anyone think that this is way too much??
Posted: 7/27/2010 10:44:45 AM

OP I apologize for referring to you as a he.

Me too! Now isn't THAT freakin' hilarious?? That we all ASSumed this was a male talking about a pair-bond partner or potential one? Of course, we still don't know for sure that it isn't a pair-bond relationship. To me it wouldn't matter all that much,
but it will be interesting to see how many "run away! run away real fast! posters will return and backpedal, as if somehow a nonromantic friend deserves greater support than a significant other.
My opinion is STILL pretty much the same...many people may THINK it's too much, but we don't KNOW the person in question,or their situations. None of us forum participants are, as far as I know,MDs specializing in psychiatric and or neurological fields, or RPh. My concern is the use of Rx meds prescribed for someone else, and I would certainly recommend that the OP-if she can do so without violating a boundary,should speak to her friend about getting her OWN meds!
I don't particularly think this changes the water on the minnows, it will be interesting to see how many think it does!
Cindy O
 ladyc4
Joined: 2/14/2006
Msg: 74
Klonopin, xanax, ambien...does anyone think that this is way too much??
Posted: 7/28/2010 8:07:55 AM

I think it also helps to remember that simply being very opinionated or outspoken about the condition of others could also be considered a personality defect by some, and just by being on these forums most of us would qualify for having a 'mental health issue'.

Hold on just a COTTONPICKIN' MINUTE here....! I don't suffer from insanity, I ENJOY it!
LOL.

What matters is, the OP's girlfriend needs to speak frankly to her doctor about what she has been taking, and why.

I think even the forum participants who enjoy insanity agree wholeheartedly with this, except I for one don't see how anybody offers emotional support or expresses caring concern to a friend, loved one or SO if they simply cut and"run!run away fast!!" but then I'm not up on all these things,and even though nobody( except myself, in a joking/sarcastic comment)has directly suggested the OP's gf could be dangerous, I suppose we have to admit of that possibility.There were some anecdotes by other posters, describing less-than- positive experiences with romantic partners who were taking psychiatric or neurological medication(s).

So many doctors will prescribe a medication to fix the side effects of the initial medication
Yes indeed this sort of thing DOES happen,even with concerned, caring,ethical drs whose only goal is to help the patient recover, or obtain the best possible level of comfort/functionality/productivity and normal living. There are other entities who seem to HEAVILY consider that the longer the list of medications, the more serious the functionality issues, while other entities(with little or no actual medical knowledge) are looking for ways to BLOCK or at least control access to the medications...generally because the primary goal for that entity is a healthy "bottom line" moreso than healthy clients/customers.
But that's just one of the exciting side issues of the entire medical/prescriptio drug/medical and related insurance industry "machine".

Adding more meds to fix side effects IS NOT THE ANSWER and too many doctors do that without thinking about the side effects of the other medication/medications that they are prescribing.

Yes, this is true, and while I personally DOUBT that it is due to some vast drug industry/physician conspiracy-the biggest favor any recipient of medical care, services, Rx medications, (even herbal, mineral, vitamin supplements) is to be a highly informed consumer, and be unafraid to speak up and say "Hold on, doc, let's look at the BIGGER picture here!"

People start believing it is okay to just take more of whatever or to add to it with another drug to the point that they are addicted and/or just too naive to recognize the dangers that they are putting themselves in.

when it comes to the issue of people experimenting with borrowed medications, I'm more concerned with dangers of actual physical harm that may never be completely undone, more than "addiction".
yes, brass tacks, the OP's friend is playing a fairly risky game-she needs to be working with her own dr, and if costs are an issue, to explore the options that might be available to mitigate that issue.
Cindy O
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