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 unYOUsual
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Is Fox News Evil or Stupid?
Feel free to defend or refute the facts that Fox news lies and distorts the truths.
So then what? evil or stupid, they employ the same tactics utilized by other news organizations, does this mean that they are all evil and stupid..or could it be that because Fox doesn't agree with your Liberal perspective that you think it is evil and stupid...

Lying,distorting, refusing to report, misreporting, exaggerating,etc..all tools used by all news organizations.....none is evil nor stupid, they are appealing to their viewership...

news stopped bein news years ago,the arrival of Political correctness ended accurate unbiased reporting...

Remember when you were a kid and someone robbed a bank they actually described the bank robber from his or her height to the color of their skin...now terms like youth, mob etc..are bandied about....
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 9/7/2011 8:39:40 PM
All cable news networks have their own personal agenda. there is no such thing as fair and balanced reporting on cable news networks. Which is why i tend to avoid cable news networks altogether.
 pinkoleander
Joined: 8/16/2011
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Posted: 9/7/2011 9:07:21 PM

Awww how cute you can regurgitate a Fox talking point, yet still unable to actually contribute to the discussion, by either making a point or defending one.

And you have to resort to personal attacks rather than facts. Not so cute.
 RichenLosAngeles
Joined: 11/14/2010
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Posted: 9/7/2011 11:27:10 PM
It comes down to this, we still have some freedoms of choice in America, and one such choice is which channel gets played on our television.
Frank et al, if you can't hang with that, just be an adult and say so.
It really is not that big of a deal.
I like to watch the Beverly Hillbillies at 9AM, followed by I love Lucy.
Will that be OK?
 FrankNStein902
Joined: 12/26/2009
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Posted: 9/8/2011 3:37:40 PM

It comes down to this, we still have some freedoms of choice in America, and one such choice is which channel gets played on our television.

Actually you do not have a say in what in on the air, the FCC does that for you.

That said, I am not saying what you can or can not watch.

I am just pointing out that they lie and distort the truth, which leads to the question if they are doing intentionally or they do not know any better. (Evil or Stupid)



Statements that other networks do the same stuff is laughable.

Can someone show an example of another news organization that has distorted someone picture to make them look worse?

Fox News airs altered photos of NY Times reporters
http://mediamatters.org/research/200807020002



Can someone show an example of another news organization that used the "We do not have to tell the truth" as a deference in court when accused of distorting facts of a story?

The Media Can Legally Lie

...During their appeal, FOX asserted that there are no written rules against distorting news in the media. They argued that, under the First Amendment, broadcasters have the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on public airwaves. Fox attorneys did not dispute Akre’s claim that they pressured her to broadcast a false story, they simply maintained that it was their right to do so...

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/11-the-media-can-legally-lie/
 FrankNStein902
Joined: 12/26/2009
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Posted: 9/8/2011 4:20:30 PM

Well, you really should stop reading posts about how things work here in the lower 48, and then answer them according to how things work in your area. While they don't call it the FCC, I am certain that the Canadians have their equivalent, and that is who I am referring to............

So you are saying the FCC has not jurisdiction with what is broadcasts on US airwaves?

It is called the CRTC in Canada and they are somewhat different, with respect to the creative content.



You, however, don't seem to appreciate that we have this thing called the "Neilson Ratings", which rates ALL the shows.......... and then the higher rated ones can charge even more confiscatory rates for advertising.

That has nothing to do with the FCC's role in controlling what is available to you.




Now, with almost everybody on either cable or satellite, it is even easier to know who is watching what........... so, yes, I do have a say, at least in a small way about what I watch.

You can choose what you want to watch, provided the FCC says it is ok to broadcast it.




My particular satellite system even allows porno to be watched for a small fee over the basic costs, so to cry censorship is silly...

Ok what channel can you watch dog on women sex?

Or does the FCC censor that for you?




Again, the way you worded the thread title, it is a lose/lose for Fox, which is what you wanted in the first place............

No actually it was a debated started a while back.

US Viewers -
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-23-2010/the-parent-company-trap

Can Viewers -
http://www.thecomedynetwork.ca/Displayblog.aspx?bpid=16d46416-8330-4ae0-b5b9-39b86da82f80
 lyingcheat
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Posted: 11/24/2011 6:46:53 AM

Is Fox News Evil or Stupid?

Perhaps both. It seems to have achieved the unlikely feat, for a news channel, of actually making its viewers less informed.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-fox-news-poll-20111121,0,3985116.story?track=rss
 BigBadNIrish
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Posted: 11/24/2011 7:00:20 AM

Perhaps both. It seems to have achieved the unlikely feat, for a news channel, of actually making its viewers less informed.


LMAO...Watching FOX makes people dumber than not watching any news at all...somehow, that makes sense.
 good_dreams
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Posted: 11/24/2011 7:37:46 AM

Perhaps both. It seems to have achieved the unlikely feat, for a news channel, of actually making its viewers less informed.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-fox-news-poll-20111121,0,3985116.story?track=rss


I think the results of that survey can be explained in large part by considering that FOX viewers are much less informed to begin with. Also that some people just love getting only information that backs up their preconceived ideas whether they are correct or not. This is called propaganda and what FOX news is wonderful at serving up.

FOX news... oxymoron.
 Double Cabin
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Posted: 11/24/2011 7:46:22 AM
Despite abundantly inane assertions to the contrary American Media does not have an abundantly liberal bias. Most Newspapers outside Big Blue State Cities are owned by overwhelmingly conservative interests. Rupert Murdoch doesn't just own Fox, he's got in the neighborhood of 1/3 of the world's media outlets.

If there were truly a liberal media bias don't you think the Occupy Wallstreet Protests would garner just as much attention as tose of the tea Party did? When that cop sprayed enough industrial mace into the faces of those kids at UC Davis if there were a serious "liberal" bias in the media would we not have seen it on every Newscast instead of lesser known interent sources?

Fox NEws has the most shameless agenda in the history of journalism. Anyone that diputes that is IMO incredibly ill- informed to put it incredibly kindly.
 timetogo3223
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Posted: 11/24/2011 7:58:58 AM
This may come as news to the crowd here that gets their news from the NYT and guys in their under ware who look like Michael Moore posting things on YouTube: many conservatives don't watch Fox.

Some do tune into to MSNBC and the networks to see how big the doe eyes are when pictures of The One are up. The reports from them make the Onion seem like it is reporting factual news.

Amazing too how all the brilliant posters here can declare that bias exists only when it is to the "right" and not to the "left".

Quick, find the Michale Moorish YouTube video answer to that.
 lyingcheat
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Posted: 11/24/2011 8:41:55 AM

..many conservatives don't watch Fox..

How do you know?

Some do tune into to MSNBC and the networks to see how big the doe eyes are when pictures of The One are up.

How do you know all this?

Where are you getting your information? No, don't tell me, let me guess...


Fox News viewers tend to be less informed about current events than those who don't watch any news at all.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-fox-news-poll-20111121,0,3985116.story?track=rss
 timetogo3223
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Posted: 11/24/2011 11:22:11 AM
lying...




..many conservatives don't watch Fox..

How do you know?

Some do tune into to MSNBC and the networks to see how big the doe eyes are when pictures of The One are up.

How do you know all this?

Where are you getting your information? No, don't tell me, let me guess...


Fox News viewers tend to be less informed about current events than those who don't watch any news at all.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-fox-news-poll-20111121,0,3985116.story?track=rss
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Hypothetically, if this were the real world, I am supposed to defend my position to a person who self-identifies as a "lying" and "cheating"?

I happen to know most conservatives and I happen to know that they don't watch Fox and they do watch MSNBC for schist and giggles.

Now, was that a lie? If so, why do YOU care?
 lyingcheat
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Posted: 11/24/2011 12:34:20 PM

Hypothetically, if this were the real world, I am supposed to defend my position to a person who self-identifies as a "lying" and "cheating"?

I happen to know most conservatives and I happen to know that they don't watch Fox and they do watch MSNBC for schist and giggles.

Now, was that a lie? If so, why do YOU care?

You could just admit you made up your demographics, rather than deflecting the question and rendering the discussion completely nonsensical. As usual.
I've noticed that's what Fox viewers do though, when they are challenged on their flimsy grasp of reality.

But I guess one can't expect too much from someone who announces it's "time" "to go".
Yet is still here.
 good_dreams
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Posted: 11/24/2011 12:47:05 PM

I happen to know most conservatives and I happen to know that they don't watch Fox and they do watch MSNBC for schist and giggles.


You know most conservatives? That is impressive.

The point of the article is that people who watch FOX are not well informed on many issues.

To my knowledge there is no left wing liberal equivalent to FOX news they have taken right wing propaganda to a new level and tried to make it seem like "news".
 timetogo3223
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Posted: 11/24/2011 6:18:45 PM
The Liar and Cheater...



You could just admit you made up your demographics, rather than deflecting the question and rendering the discussion completely nonsensical. As usual.
I've noticed that's what Fox viewers do though, when they are challenged on their flimsy grasp of reality.

But I guess one can't expect too much from someone who announces it's "time" "to go".
Yet is still here.


I render the question nonsensical because it is. What do all the big bad Lib-Progs care if Fox news is broadcasting gibberish to moles? It is not your obvious choice of information.

Do you see conservatives muttering and sputtering that MSNBC and ABC/NBC/CBS and the NYT are dangerous or evil? No. Why do you think that is. Okay, think hard, let the steam out of your ears....it's because conservatives, unlike the Lib-Progs do not have fascist tendencies and don't care if you are spoon feed the Obama Kool-Aid all day.

You guys are angry all day long and feverishly look for sources from the YouTube under ware posters to back up your positions. It's funny. It's sad. I know that you all want to get your little fascist hands on the Fox transmitter and shut them down, along with talk radio, but you can't. Meanwhile, live in ignorance and watch Michael Moore pontificate from his mansion about not being in the so-called 1%. I don't care. I don't think it's evil. It's just pathetic.

I can't believe I just defended a position to a person who is proud of lying and cheating. Oh, well. Passion got the best of me.
 timetogo3223
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Posted: 11/24/2011 6:23:18 PM
good....





You know most conservatives? That is impressive.

The point of the article is that people who watch FOX are not well informed on many issues.

To my knowledge there is no left wing liberal equivalent to FOX news they have taken right wing propaganda to a new level and tried to make it seem like "news".


I do know almost every conservative in the US. I do think that is impressive. Thank you for recognizing the same.

To your knowledge that there is no left wing liberal equivalent to FOX, all I can say is that you must be deaf, dumb and blind.

But just in case you fumble upon FOX, there is no need to stay on the channel. It turns, even in the most fascist of hands.
 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 11/24/2011 6:27:25 PM

What do all the big bad Lib-Progs care if Fox news is broadcasting gibberish to moles? It is not your obvious choice of information.

A couple of reasons come to mind: people who watch Fox news are allowed to vote; and the spin Fox puts on a story becomes a mainstream story. And the way the mainstream covers it is always to have some conservative on and a far right lunatic on. Instead of covering actual, you know, news.

Do you see conservatives muttering and sputtering that MSNBC and ABC/NBC/CBS and the NYT are dangerous or evil?

I have. I remember when the truth about Valerie Wilson was coming out, or the Abu Ghrab photos, it seemed there was all kinds of talk about how the New York Times should be shut down. And they were just reporting verified facts.
 matchlight
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Posted: 11/24/2011 11:09:32 PM

I remember when the truth about Valerie Wilson was coming out


I don't agree that the truth about that fraud and her lying husband has ever been widely reported. What we've heard instead is the official leftist party line.

Joe Wilson, who had been an ordinary official at several U.S. embassies in Africa, suddenly got his big moment when his wife Valerie suggested him for a trip to Niger. Why go there? To embarrass President Bush by refuting his public statement that Saddam Hussein had tried to buy "yellowcake"--a refined form of uranium ore--from Niger. If that were true, it would corroborate other evidence that Saddam had restarted his nuclear weapons program.

Our man Joe spent a week or so in the capital, chatting with various sources by the side of the hotel pool. Of course he never spoke to the official in charge of mining; but then, he wasn't after the truth. He cooked up the story his masters wanted: Iraq was innocent; it had never tried to buy yellowcake from Niger. That was almost certainly not true. But the story was widely reported as evidence that Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney were bloodthirsty warmongers picking a fight with harmless Iraq.

Apparently in retaliation for this sabotage of President Bush, someone in the administration--probably Richard Armitage--told journalist Robert Novak that Mrs. Wilson was also known as Valerie Plame. The news media made Plame out to be a covert agent, when for years she had mostly been working behind a desk in D.C. So terribly concerned was this secret agent about having her "cover" blown that she soon let herself be photographed with her husband for the cover of Vanity Fair.


people who watch Fox news are allowed to vote


Yes, they are, and they will be for quite a while. Voting, a free press, and free speech are guaranteed rights in this country. That dismays our self-anointed elite--statists of the Obama stripe--who imagine that only their intellectually sophisticated views are correct. And the benighted, slack-jawed masses should go on clinging to their religion and their guns--and just shut up. That is the statist's idea of a free country.


And they were just reporting verified facts.


So you say. I don't agree. Much of that reporting was anti-American cant which could have come right out of Khrushchev's USSR. Forty-six straight days of Abu Ghraib on the front page, inflaming Muslims to kill U.S. servicemen who'd had nothing to do with it. If a major newspaper had done anything even remotely as disgraceful and unpatriotic during WWII, FDR would have made his outrage clear to the editor the first day.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 11/25/2011 1:32:30 AM
half time

so is EVERYONE whp watches fox news stupid then?
thats a mighty big generalisation if thats what you imply, you could
say that people who read or watch the liberal media are super analyticaly minded, simpering effete cowardly types.

but that would not be true.

you seem to imply, along with other posters that fox news should be banned
or at the very least censored.

a lot of folk look over here to the bbc as a paragon of what news coverage
should be like, yet the bbc has an agenda and its certainly not pro british.

http://www.biased-bbc.blogspot.com/

read about the flagship question time political tv show after 9 11 when they
had to issue an apology to the united states for the hand picked biased audiences
ridicule of the american guest and the smug 'serves you right' attitude that was displayed.

infact watch it, here is the show in 3 parts. (liberal west hating hard on guarenteed)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMKIsWbwzTg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI-Y0QCpaGU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJRyDN7allU&feature=related

murdochs sky news wins hands down here and the daily mail is the 2nd most read online newspaper in the world (after the new york times ), both more pro british than the bbc (who at times show complete hatered of anything remotely british) do you think that makes the viewers of sky and readers of the daily mail stupid, ignorant folk then? or is it that they dont fit in with a liberal agenda so therefor thay cant be relevant
 lyingcheat
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Posted: 11/25/2011 1:34:57 AM

You could just admit you made up your demographics, rather than deflecting the question and rendering the discussion completely nonsensical. As usual.
I've noticed that's what Fox viewers do though, when they are challenged on their flimsy grasp of reality.

But I guess one can't expect too much from someone who announces it's "time" "to go".
Yet is still here.

I render the question nonsensical because it is.

You seem to forget, the question was about the source of the absurd statements you keep making.
That's not a 'nonsensical' query, it's a logical one when a poster seems to have lost contact with reality. Ideally it might help them re-ground themselves, and regain contact with at least some tiny corner of what most people call reality.

Though, going by your subsequent posts, it doesn't appear to have had the desired effect.


Do you see conservatives muttering and sputtering that MSNBC and ABC/NBC/CBS and the NYT are dangerous or evil? No. Why do you think that is. Okay, think hard, let the steam out of your ears....it's because conservatives, unlike the Lib-Progs do not have fascist tendencies and don't care if you are spoon feed the Obama Kool-Aid all day.

You guys are angry all day long and feverishly look for sources from the YouTube under ware posters to back up your positions. It's funny. It's sad. I know that you all want to get your little fascist hands on the Fox transmitter and shut them down, along with talk radio, but you can't. Meanwhile, live in ignorance and watch Michael Moore pontificate from his mansion about not being in the so-called 1%. I don't care. I don't think it's evil. It's just pathetic.

That ^^^ looks like a scrambled extract from either Glenn Becks or Bill O'Reilly's next book?


I can't believe I just defended a position to a person who is proud of lying and cheating.

You didn't. It looked more like a practice run for a propaganda bot to test the stock insults and phrases.
For a bot it wouldn't be bad I guess, almost achieving the appearance of semi-coherence n'all, but for a person, well...

Fox News viewers tend to be less informed about current events than those who don't watch any news at all.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-fox-news-poll-20111121,0,3985116.story?track=rss

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people who watch Fox news are allowed to vote


Yes, they are, and they will be for quite a while. Voting, a free press, and free speech are guaranteed rights in this country. That dismays our self-anointed elite--statists of the Obama stripe--who imagine that only their intellectually sophisticated views are correct. And the benighted, slack-jawed masses should go on clinging to their religion and their guns--and just shut up. That is the statist's idea of a free country.



And they were just reporting verified facts.


So you say. I don't agree. Much of that reporting was anti-American cant which could have come right out of Khrushchev's USSR. Forty-six straight days of Abu Ghraib on the front page, inflaming Muslims to kill U.S. servicemen who'd had nothing to do with it. If a major newspaper had done anything even remotely as disgraceful and unpatriotic during WWII, FDR would have made his outrage clear to the editor the first day.

There's a couple of inconsistencies here ^^^ that render your thinking corrupt.

In the first paragraph you emphasise the primacy in the US of "guaranteed rights", which is presumably a reference to your constitution since you contrast the concept of "guaranteed rights", unfavourably, with the alleged activities of those who 'think' they know better. That is, those who act as if the founding principles were somehow elastic and exist separately to the entity known as the USA.

Then in the second paragraph you condemn the NY Times for adhering to those high principles, as if, in your view, principles of morality and justice are elastic, exist separately from the US, and should have been overlooked by the NY Times for strategic reasons.
You go on then to, not only not praise them for their adherence to inviolable ethical and moral principles, you cast them as 'communists' (the worst insult you can think of I suspect) for doing so.


The second inconsistency is slightly different, though it springs from the same set of corrupt justifications.
You first mention the 'guarantees' of "free press, and free speech", and having seen enough of your posts by now I understand you regard these 'guarantees' with reverential devotion, and the document they're enshrined in, as sacred. Which is all very well and good.

But then... you go on to suggest that the NY Times was irresponsible to exercise these "guaranteed rights", hinting, as I noted before, that they must be communists for daring to expose abuses and suggesting, apparently approvingly, that the government should have pressured them to censor the information, which kind of conflicts, I would have thought, with the concept of having a "free press".

All the while, as you flex and contort these, apparently not-so-sacred-really, notions of freedom you completely overlook that the NY Times, by allegedly covering Abu Ghraib for "forty-six straight days" was perhaps, rather than acting as an organ of 'communists' as you scathingly suggest, was acting from the highest principles of morality and justice, and was therefore acting to remind Americans how far they'd drifted from their principles.

The NY Times was, by using 'freedom of the press' and reminding Americans of their founding principles, not at all acting in a subversive way, as you imply, but was rather providing a demonstration of responsibility and extreme patriotism.
Though you don't see it that way I gather? Despite your alleged reverence for "guaranteed rights" and devotion to a "free press, and free speech".

Odd.
 unYOUsual
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Posted: 11/25/2011 4:41:59 AM

rather than acting as an organ of 'communists' as you scathingly suggest, was acting from the highest principles of morality and justice,
Of course as a Liberal you believe this as you can not be a Liberal without believing that you are morally superior, that you and other Liberals are the only moral people in the world....is it moral to run stories that you know may incite violence or terrorist acts? Then ask yourself, is it responsible?

Here's the thing that irks me..everyone screams about freedom of the press etc..etc..then we have threads like these that blast a whole news organization...kind of hypocritical don't you think...if you dislike what FOX news covers read the NY times or one of the other Liberally biased news outlets...LYING by omission is just as bad as outright lying...that is how the Liberal outlets manipulate the "NEWS" they ignore stories that do not adhere to their ideology or agendas..

The height of Hypocrisy is a Liberal using the founding principles as an argument to support their position...think about it for a minute..the founding fathers based their principles on Judeo Chrisitian principles, they authored the Constitution and believed in it, they believed in the power of the people and limited scope of the Government, these principles are the polar opposite of the beliefs of most Liberals..
 lyingcheat
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Posted: 11/25/2011 5:16:54 AM

Of course as a Liberal you believe this as you can not be a Liberal without believing that you are morally superior, that you and other Liberals are the only moral people in the world....

You're talking out your arse. I'm an Australian, your labels mean nothing to me.



...is it moral to run stories that you know may incite violence or terrorist acts? Then ask yourself, is it responsible?

You have it backwards, which seems apt somehow. The real villain was not the NY Times for reporting the abuse, they were only the messenger, so to question their 'morality' is simply to support the conspiracy to cover-up human rights abuses.
It appears not to have occurred to you that blame for 'inciting violence' or inspiring "terrorist acts" lies not with the reporters, but with the perpetrators of the acts reported on.



Here's the thing that irks me..everyone screams about freedom of the press etc..etc..then we have threads like these that blast a whole news organization...kind of hypocritical don't you think...if you dislike what FOX news covers read the NY times or one of the other Liberally biased news outlets...LYING by omission is just as bad as outright lying...that is how the Liberal outlets manipulate the "NEWS" they ignore stories that do not adhere to their ideology or agendas..

That may irk you, but your discomfort is not the topic of the thread. The general topic is 'Fox News' and, more recently, the poll that shows the Fox News audience is even less well informed than someone who watches no news at all.


The height of Hypocrisy is a Liberal using the founding principles as an argument to support their position...think about it for a minute..the founding fathers based their principles on Judeo Chrisitian principles, they authored the Constitution and believed in it, they believed in the power of the people and limited scope of the Government, these principles are the polar opposite of the beliefs of most Liberals..

No, I don't think that's the "height of Hypocrisy". That seems more like a slight rise compared to the Everest you just reached.

You seem to be implying this 'constitution' thing should only apply to the advantage of some people, that people who believe in certain things ie;not what you believe in, can be excluded because they're hypocrites.
Your views are fascist.
 matchlight
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Posted: 11/25/2011 12:00:31 PM
Then in the second paragraph you condemn the NY Times for adhering to those high principles, as if, in your view, principles of morality and justice are elastic, exist separately from the US, and should have been overlooked by the NY Times for strategic reasons.


If there are any moral or ethical principles the editors of the New York Times adhere to, I don't know what they are. Evidently you don't know that with few exceptions, the U.S. Constitution only guarantees freedoms against undue infringement by *government.* The Times wasn't breaking the law by spreading enemy propaganda, nor is anyone breaking it by criticizing that action.


the government should have pressured them to censor the information, which kind of conflicts, I would have thought, with the concept of having a "free press".


If so, you would have thought wrong. The freedom to make or publish statements, like the other freedoms the Bill of Rights guarantees, is not absolute. Laws against defamation, or child pornography, or inciting people to imminent violence, or disclosing military secrets, for example, are not necessarily unconstitutional. If the government's interest were compelling enough, it could ban just about any kind of speech or publication without violating the Constitution.


you cast them as 'communists' (the worst insult you can think of I suspect)


If not the worst, close to it. Communism is completely inconsistent with the principles on which the United States was founded. This government was designed to foster individual freedom and protect property rights. Communism by its nature allows neither of those things. In Russia, China, North Korea, Cuba, Cambodia, and other countries where state communism has been practiced, it has been a horrific tyranny responsible for oppressing hundreds of millions of people and butchering tens of millions more.


you completely overlook that the NY Times, by allegedly covering Abu Ghraib for "forty-six straight days" was perhaps, rather than acting as an organ of 'communists' as you scathingly suggest, was acting from the highest principles of morality and justice, and was therefore acting to remind Americans how far they'd drifted from their principles.


Not so. I don't overlook your speculation at all. I reject it as pompous nonsense. The New York Times--which has been caught in more than one self-serving lie in recent years--is no more a guardian of American principles than Mother Jones, the Daily Kos, or Pravda.

There are tens of millions of Americans who don't need those who view this country with condescension or outright contempt--and who scorn its founding principles--to remind us of how far it's drifted from those principles during the past eighty years. We conservatives are painfully aware that the United States is now closer to being a "soft tyranny" than a government of, by, and for the people.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 350
Is Fox News Evil or Stupid?
Posted: 11/25/2011 12:50:28 PM
Well I wasn't going to post, but read some of it and had a few laughs, and decided to post anyway. In my head, you watch everything and see what appeals to you. Now I do have my prejudices, not unlike all those posting here.

I watch a number of outlets for news. It's important to me, the problem I always have is ANY outlet trying to slant the story, instead of reporting it.

I watch FOX, MSNBC and BBC mainly, suplemented by other online sources. I also watch CNBC extensively and occassionally FoxBusiness. To be totally honest I hate Kudlow, and his voice, so I turn to watch Cheryl Casone on Fox. I may not like thestory and how it is presented, but her legs beat looking at a dour Kudlow, lamenting whatever he is droning on about.

I will say this, certain MSNBC reporters can at times be as bad as FOX, in the bias of their reporting. But on the whole Lawernce O'Donnel, Dylan Ratigan and even Rachael Maddow are much more balanced than the FOX group who generally have that lynch mob mentality, and smarmy attitude when they can present a story their way.

They make numerous errors in the running headlines, which could either be by design or by accident. If by accident, one has to wonder why that person wasn't fired already for incompetence.

In the end we finally come to the man himself. Ruppert Murdoch who owns FOX and is at the center of a major controversay. He has shown himself over the years through many of his actions to be very controlling. That we are now to believe he knew nothing of the phone hacking scandal is laughable. If we look at history, and what his news outlets were before he took them over, then what they became, we see another example of his domination and style.

To say that FOX news is anything but a reflection of a man, who is sinister and troubled, wants his way at all costs, would be naive. So in the end, I have to believe, given the evidence of change, the nature of the man in charge, yes FOX is closer to evil than fair.

Many of you will not agree, I get it, it fits with your persona's and beliefs, kinda like propaganda, you like what you hear, so you will believe in it no matter what any of us say, or the evidence presented. But remember, it wasn't BBC, NBC, MSNBC or any other source,who tapped phones, erased messages, led a poor girl's family to believe she was alive or tapped the phones of 9/11 victims.

So believe what you will, but that last bit I said WAS, IS and WILL ALWAYS be true.
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