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 Earthpuppy
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"If Fox News bothers you so much, use your freedom of choice and change the channel. "

Thinking people and others with low tolerance for BS do turn off offensive pornography like Fox when it smacks us in the face. But, like incinerators, toxic waste sites, toxic air and water emissions, Fox News wafts in the air and infects everyone in some sort of way. Friends and neighbors can no longer have a conversation, death threats flow like atrazine in groundwater, and everyone in the community is sooner or later divided or forced to take a divided position. The shouting down of public meetings during the Palin psychosis period persists now. Fox has amplified and manufactured divisions for the sake of profit. Just turning them off does not mean that their swallowers will not follow you home and screw with ya. I come from a long line of community activists who have had their homes burned, dogs poisoned, had death threats and far worse. This level of hate mongering by fox is already causing physical harm and intimidation to the new majority of Americans, those not in the short-term domination class of white euros. I be one, but do look at the long term of continental domination. Certain invaders just have to go with the flow.
 xxxDINOxxx
Joined: 8/12/2009
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Posted: 8/27/2010 8:53:02 PM
OP, I say they are neither.

I just feel they are fulfilling a media niche position, more or less, with shows and such that are aimed more so at the American Right.

MSNBC basically does the same thing, in all fairness, with shows that are aimed towards liberals (if not, strictly speaking, towards "the Left"; that might be a bit too far down the acceptable American political spectrum for any mainstream channel to go...).

That having been said, I think both channels , as well as other commentators with platforms such as Limbaugh, Maher, etc, help contribute to the ongoing polarization of the country. They all get ratings though, so that's why it goes on. There's a market for it.
 Montreal_Guy
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Posted: 8/27/2010 9:04:49 PM

Seriously, I do not think there are any unbiased news sources in the mainstream media.


Well, here we agree, to a certain extent.

Since they serve the needs of the few corporations that own almost all media in the USA, I cannot see them serving any "left wing" or "socialist" agendas. That would be against their best interests.

Also, with those American political filters, the "norm" is fairly right wing (compared to the rest of the world's Western industrialized nations). Very few truly independent journalists or news organizations exist there as well.

Very few American journalists can speak a second language, so any foreign coverage tends to be highly dependent on hired foreign help, which means stories are already not being reported (in a journalistic sense) in a first hand narrative.

If you look at European, or even Canadian media, you'll see that all these factors are not the case.
 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 8/28/2010 1:19:51 PM
Someone brought up MSNBC as a left leaning medium.

I've actually seen some of it recently, and although it's slant isn't right, the stories are all ginned up by the right. It seems everything they cover is something that was on Fox News. Even there the news cycle is created by the right.

There can't be a real discussion of widening disparity of incomes, toxic waste dumping in the third world, corporations benefiting from slavery, or even Mexican refugees of violence if all the time is spent on whatever craziness Glenn Beck said or what the longest running Reality Show (Survivor - Alaska) is showing this week.

Fox recognized that it doesn't matter if what you say is utter nonsense; if you say it loudly and repeatedly it becomes news. It's not an original concept (without going to the obvious) - Peron did it; Mugabe does it. It's how you preserve the illusion of a free press without actually having all the nasty downsides, like investigating evil.
 themadfiddler
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Posted: 8/28/2010 1:31:51 PM
I have to agree with you there halftimedad.

Is monitoring the propaganda machine of Fox News (the propaganda arm of the GoP) and the Tea Party (a la Koch's unofficial Press Agency) necessarily taking a "left wing" view of things or showing "left wing" bias?

Hardly.

In fact I don't believe I have ever seen any of the hosts or main news broadcasters engaging in the kind of outright and deliberate distortions and baldfaced lying engaged in by Fox.

I would dearly love to see some examples of deliberate attempts to distort that are not clearly humour or characterizations of someone's behaviour.

As I said in another post, if one is a borderline sociopath with a "me first and devil take the hindmost" attitude, then yes, I'm sure it might appear as if a network like MSNBC is some kind of leftist, socialist nightmare. So would the CBC or BBC. These networks feel a certain obligation to adhere to standards of ethics and journalistic responsibility and when caught in errors deliberate and otherwise - for the most part - they do own up to their mistakes and correct it, some better than others.

Fox on the other hand has a known rep for attempting to bury the error and pretend like it never happened...to the point of it's hosts going online and attempting to change the online transcripts of their programs in an attempt to "rewrite history" but fortunately people have caught on to this consistent and deliberate attempt at deception on the part of their many hosts and watch them constantly for such grievous ethical violations.

A lot of this is well documented in Al Franken's "Lies And The Lying Liars That Tell Them" and "Rush Limbaugh Is A Big Fat Idiot"
 Montreal_Guy
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Posted: 8/28/2010 2:11:06 PM

I've actually seen some of it recently, and although it's slant isn't right, the stories are all ginned up by the right. It seems everything they cover is something that was on Fox News. Even there the news cycle is created by the right.


Voila..... a very good point to ponder. In a truly "left wing" media environment, so much control would not be coming from the right.


There can't be a real discussion of widening disparity of incomes, toxic waste dumping in the third world, corporations benefiting from slavery, or even Mexican refugees of violence if all the time is spent on whatever craziness Glenn Beck said or what the longest running Reality Show (Survivor - Alaska) is showing this week.


A great addition to point number one.


Diana Christensen: [flipping through the newspaper] You know, Barbara, the Arabs have decided to jack up the price of oil another 20%... uh, the CIA has been caught opening Senator Humphrey's mail... there's a civil war in Angola... another one in Beirut... the, uh, New York City's still facing default... they finally caught up with Patricia Hearst... and the whole front page of the "Daily News" is Howard Beale.

Diana Christensen: I watched your 6 o'clock news today; it's straight tabloid. You had a minute and a half of that lady riding a bike naked in Central Park; on the other hand, you had less than a minute of hard national and international news. It was all sex, scandal, brutal crime, sports, children with incurable diseases, and lost puppies. So, I don't think I'll listen to any protestations of high standards of journalism when you're right down on the streets soliciting audiences like the rest of us. Look, all I'm saying is if you're going to hustle, at least do it right.

Diana Christensen: Look, we've got a bunch of hobgoblin radicals called the Ecumenical Liberation Army who go around taking home movies of themselves robbing banks. Now, maybe they'll take movies of themselves kidnapping heiresses, hijacking 747s, bombing bridges, assassinating ambassadors. We'd open each week's segment with their authentic footage, hire a couple of writers to write a story behind that footage, and we've got ourselves a series.

Network - 1976



Fox recognized that it doesn't matter if what you say is utter nonsense; if you say it loudly and repeatedly it becomes news. It's not an original concept (without going to the obvious) - Peron did it; Mugabe does it. It's how you preserve the illusion of a free press without actually having all the nasty downsides, like investigating evil.


I see it as something that Paddy Chayefsky portrayed, in a very Nostradamous like way, when he wrote the script for "Network".

Glenn Beck, Rush, or any of the other right wing talking heads channel Howard Beale almost perfectly.


I don't have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It's a depression. Everybody's out of work or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel's work, banks are going bust, shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter. Punks are running wild in the street and there's nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there's no end to it. We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat, and we sit watching our TV's while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that's the way it's supposed to be. We know things are bad - worse than bad. They're crazy. It's like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don't go out anymore. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, 'Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials and I won't say anything. Just leave us alone.' Well, I'm not gonna leave you alone. I want you to get mad! I don't want you to protest. I don't want you to riot - I don't want you to write to your congressman because I wouldn't know what to tell you to write. I don't know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street. All I know is that first you've got to get mad.

Howard Beale: [shouting] You've got to say, 'I'm a HUMAN BEING, Goddamnit! My life has VALUE!' So I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell,
[shouting]
Howard Beale: 'I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!' I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Things have got to change. But first, you've gotta get mad!... You've got to say, 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Then we'll figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation and the oil crisis. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it:
Howard Beale: [screaming at the top of his lungs] "I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!"

- Ibid


Please note that this was done in the reality of mid-70's America, and almost Disneylike place compared to now.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, as Beale found out.

I picture this as potentially mirroring Rupert Murdoch's meetings with his staff :


Arthur Jensen: [bellowing] You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Mr. Beale, and I won't have it! Is that clear? You think you've merely stopped a business deal. That is not the case! The Arabs have taken billions of dollars out of this country, and now they must put it back! It is ebb and flow, tidal gravity! It is ecological balance! You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples. There are no nations. There are no peoples. There are no Russians. There are no Arabs. There are no third worlds. There is no West. There is only one holistic system of systems, one vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multivariate, multinational dominion of dollars. Petro-dollars, electro-dollars, multi-dollars, reichmarks, rins, rubles, pounds, and shekels. It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet. That is the natural order of things today. That is the atomic and subatomic and galactic structure of things today! And YOU have meddled with the primal forces of nature, and YOU... WILL... ATONE!

Arthur Jensen: [calmly] Am I getting through to you, Mr. Beale? You get up on your little twenty-one inch screen and howl about America and democracy. There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM, and ITT, and AT&T, and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide, and Exxon. Those *are* the nations of the world today. What do you think the Russians talk about in their councils of state, Karl Marx? They get out their linear programming charts, statistical decision theories, minimax solutions, and compute the price-cost probabilities of their transactions and investments, just like we do. We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies, Mr. Beale. The world is a college of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable bylaws of business. The world is a business, Mr. Beale. It has been since man crawled out of the slime. And our children will live, Mr. Beale, to see that... perfect world... in which there's no war or famine, oppression or brutality. One vast and ecumenical holding company, for whom all men will work to serve a common profit, in which all men will hold a share of stock. All necessities provided, all anxieties tranquilized, all boredom amused. And I have chosen you, Mr. Beale, to preach this evangel.
Howard Beale: Why me?
Arthur Jensen: Because you're on television, dummy. Sixty million people watch you every night of the week, Monday through Friday.
Howard Beale: I have seen the face of God.
Arthur Jensen: You just might be right, Mr. Beale.



In a 2008 interview with Walt Mossberg, Murdoch was asked whether he had "anything to do with the New York Post's endorsement of Barack Obama in the democratic primaries." Without hesitating, Murdoch replied, "Yeah. He is a rock star. It's fantastic. I love what he is saying about education. I don't think he will win Florida... but he will win in Ohio and the election. I am anxious to meet him. I want to see if he will walk the walk."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch


Not to mention GREAT for business and future profits .....shhh......

Of course, Beale redeems himself by pulling back that curtain in the end :


Howard Beale: [arms outstretched to the heavens] Edward George Ruddy died today! Edward George Ruddy was the Chairman of the Board of the Union Broadcasting Systems, and he died at eleven o'clock this morning of a heart condition, and woe is us! We're in a lot of trouble!

Howard Beale: [calmly strolling toward the audience] So. A rich little man with white hair died. What has that got to do with the price of rice, right? And *why* is that woe to us? Because you people, and sixty-two million other Americans, are listening to me right now. Because less than three percent of you people read books! Because less than fifteen percent of you read newspapers! Because the only truth you know is what you get over this tube. Right now, there is a whole, an entire generation that never knew anything that didn't come out of this tube! This tube is the Gospel, the ultimate revelation. This tube can make or break presidents, popes, prime ministers... This tube is the most awesome God-damned force in the whole godless world, and woe is us if it ever falls in to the hands of the wrong people, and that's why woe is us that Edward George Ruddy died. Because this company is now in the hands of CCA - the Communication Corporation of America. There's a new Chairman of the Board, a man called Frank Hackett, sitting in Mr. Ruddy's office on the twentieth floor. And when the twelfth largest company in the world controls the most awesome God-damned propoganda force in the whole godless world, who knows what shit will be peddled for truth on this network?
Howard Beale: [ascending the stage] So, you listen to me. Listen to me: Television is not the truth! Television is a God-damned amusement park! Television is a circus, a carnival, a traveling troupe of acrobats, storytellers, dancers, singers, jugglers, side-show freaks, lion tamers, and football players. We're in the boredom-killing business! So if you want the truth... Go to God! Go to your gurus! Go to yourselves! Because that's the only place you're ever going to find any real truth.

Howard Beale: [laughing to himself] But, man, you're never going to get any truth from us. We'll tell you anything you want to hear; we lie like hell. We'll tell you that, uh, Kojak always gets the killer, or that nobody ever gets cancer at Archie Bunker's house, and no matter how much trouble the hero is in, don't worry, just look at your watch; at the end of the hour he's going to win. We'll tell you any shit you want to hear. We deal in *illusions*, man! None of it is true! But you people sit there, day after day, night after night, all ages, colors, creeds... We're all you know. You're beginning to believe the illusions we're spinning here. You're beginning to think that the tube is reality, and that your own lives are unreal. You do whatever the tube tells you! You dress like the tube, you eat like the tube, you raise your children like the tube, you even *think* like the tube! This is mass madness, you maniacs! In God's name, you people are the real thing! *WE* are the illusion! So turn off your television sets. Turn them off now. Turn them off right now. Turn them off and leave them off! Turn them off right in the middle of the sentence I'm speaking to you now! TURN THEM OFF...

[collapses in a prophetic swoon as the audience erupts in thunderous applause]

Howard Beale: This is not a psychotic breakdown; it's a cleansing moment of clarity.


I suggest anyone who hasn't seen that movie go take a look at it and tell me this isn't FOX TV predicated almost perfectly many years before it became a reality.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 8/28/2010 2:42:26 PM
Network did seem to be a template for Fox.
Frank Rich detailed the turning point with links, when Fox decided to turn the Islamic Cultural Center into a raging debate. http://tiny.cc/ltmdz

Fox's Beck, having compared himselve to Beale, Ghandi, Hitler and Jesus all rolled into one, had a not so subtle religious crusade today, seemingly designed to rally God, country and guns against anyone who isn't like his white christian crowd.
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Posted: 8/29/2010 8:35:19 AM
Frank Rich did another excellent expose' today on the Billionaires behind the Million Moron March, or the "Restitching America's Hymen", theocratic Beckistanis
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opinion/29rich.html?_r=1
 arwen52
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Posted: 8/29/2010 9:12:46 AM
Evil.

Read the following article printed in the New York Times about the billionaires bankrolling the "Tea Party." Of particular note to this thread are the following two paragraphs:

"The Koch brothers must be laughing all the way to the bank knowing that working Americans are aiding and abetting their selfish interests. And surely Murdoch is snickering at those protesting the “ground zero mosque.” Last week on “Fox and Friends,” the Bush administration flacks Dan Senor and Dana Perino attacked a supposedly terrorism-tainted Saudi prince whose foundation might contribute to the Islamic center. But as “The Daily Show” keeps pointing out, these Fox bloviators never acknowledge that the evil prince they’re bashing, Walid bin Talal, is not only the biggest non-Murdoch shareholder in Fox News’s parent company (he owns 7 percent of News Corporation) and the recipient of Murdoch mammoth investments in Saudi Arabia but also the subject of lionization elsewhere on Fox.

No less a Murdoch factotum than Neil Cavuto slobbered over bin Talal in a Fox Business Channel interview as recently as January, with nary a question about his supposed terrorist ties. Instead, bin Talal praised Obama’s stance on terrorism and even endorsed the Democrats’ goal of universal health insurance. Do any of the Fox-watching protestors at the “ground zero mosque” know that Fox’s profits are flowing to a Obama-sympathizing Saudi billionaire in bed with Murdoch? As Jon Stewart summed it up, the protestors who want “to cut off funding to the ‘terror mosque’ ” are aiding that funding by watching Fox and enhancing bin Talal’s News Corp. holdings."



You can read the entire Times article below. I'm looking forward to reading the lengthier article in The New Yorker.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opinion/29rich.html?_r=1

The Billionaires Bankrolling the Tea Party
By FRANK RICH
Published: August 28, 2010



ANOTHER weekend, another grass-roots demonstration starring Real Americans who are mad as hell and want to take back their country from you-know-who. Last Sunday the site was Lower Manhattan, where they jeered the “ground zero mosque.” This weekend, the scene shifted to Washington, where the avatars of oppressed white Tea Party America, Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin, were slated to “reclaim the civil rights movement” (Beck’s words) on the same spot where the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. had his dream exactly 47 years earlier.

Vive la révolution!

There’s just one element missing from these snapshots of America’s ostensibly spontaneous and leaderless populist uprising: the sugar daddies who are bankrolling it, and have been doing so since well before the “death panel” warm-up acts of last summer. Three heavy hitters rule. You’ve heard of one of them, Rupert Murdoch. The other two, the brothers David and Charles Koch, are even richer, with a combined wealth exceeded only by that of Bill Gates and Warren Buffett among Americans. But even those carrying the Kochs’ banner may not know who these brothers are.

Their self-interested and at times radical agendas, like Murdoch’s, go well beyond, and sometimes counter to, the interests of those who serve as spear carriers in the political pageants hawked on Fox News. The country will be in for quite a ride should these potentates gain power, and given the recession-battered electorate’s unchecked anger and the Obama White House’s unfocused political strategy, they might.

All three tycoons are the latest incarnation of what the historian Kim Phillips-Fein labeled “Invisible Hands” in her prescient 2009 book of that title: those corporate players who have financed the far right ever since the du Pont brothers spawned the American Liberty League in 1934 to bring down F.D.R. You can draw a straight line from the Liberty League’s crusade against the New Deal “socialism” of Social Security, the Securities and Exchange Commission and child labor laws to the John Birch Society-Barry Goldwater assault on J.F.K. and Medicare to the Koch-Murdoch-backed juggernaut against our “socialist” president.

Only the fat cats change — not their methods and not their pet bugaboos (taxes, corporate regulation, organized labor, and government “handouts” to the poor, unemployed, ill and elderly). Even the sources of their fortunes remain fairly constant. Koch Industries began with oil in the 1930s and now also spews an array of industrial products, from Dixie cups to Lycra, not unlike DuPont’s portfolio of paint and plastics. Sometimes the biological DNA persists as well. The Koch brothers’ father, Fred, was among the select group chosen to serve on the Birch Society’s top governing body. In a recorded 1963 speech that survives in a University of Michigan archive, he can be heard warning of “a takeover” of America in which Communists would “infiltrate the highest offices of government in the U.S. until the president is a Communist, unknown to the rest of us.” That rant could be delivered as is at any Tea Party rally today.

Last week the Kochs were shoved unwillingly into the spotlight by the most comprehensive journalistic portrait of them yet, written by Jane Mayer of The New Yorker. Her article caused a stir among those in Manhattan’s liberal elite who didn’t know that David Koch, widely celebrated for his cultural philanthropy, is not merely another rich conservative Republican but the founder of the Americans for Prosperity Foundation, which, as Mayer writes with some understatement, “has worked closely with the Tea Party since the movement’s inception.” To New Yorkers who associate the David H. Koch Theater at Lincoln Center with the New York City Ballet, it’s startling to learn that the Texas branch of that foundation’s political arm, known simply as Americans for Prosperity, gave its Blogger of the Year Award to an activist who had called President Obama “cokehead in chief.”

The other major sponsor of the Tea Party movement is****Armey’s FreedomWorks, which, like Americans for Prosperity, is promoting events in Washington this weekend. Under its original name, Citizens for a Sound Economy, FreedomWorks received $12 million of its own from Koch family foundations. Using tax records, Mayer found that Koch-controlled foundations gave out $196 million from 1998 to 2008, much of it to conservative causes and institutions. That figure doesn’t include $50 million in Koch Industries lobbying and $4.8 million in campaign contributions by its political action committee, putting it first among energy company peers like Exxon Mobil and Chevron. Since tax law permits anonymous personal donations to nonprofit political groups, these figures may understate the case. The Kochs surely match the in-kind donations the Tea Party receives in free promotion 24/7 from Murdoch’s Fox News, where both Beck and Palin are on the payroll.

The New Yorker article stirred up the right, too. Some of Mayer’s blogging detractors unwittingly upheld the premise of her article (titled “Covert Operations”) by conceding that they have been Koch grantees. None of them found any factual errors in her 10,000 words. Many of them tried to change the subject to George Soros, the billionaire backer of liberal causes. But Soros is a publicity hound who is transparent about where he shovels his money. And like many liberals — selflessly or foolishly, depending on your point of view — he supports causes that are unrelated to his business interests and that, if anything, raise his taxes.

This is hardly true of the Kochs. When David Koch ran to the right of Reagan as vice president on the 1980 Libertarian ticket (it polled 1 percent), his campaign called for the abolition not just of Social Security, federal regulatory agencies and welfare but also of the F.B.I., the C.I.A., and public schools — in other words, any government enterprise that would either inhibit his business profits or increase his taxes. He hasn’t changed. As Mayer details, Koch-supported lobbyists, foundations and political operatives are at the center of climate-science denial — a cause that forestalls threats to Koch Industries’ vast fossil fuel business. While Koch foundations donate to cancer hospitals like Memorial Sloan-Kettering in New York, Koch Industries has been lobbying to stop the Environmental Protection Agency from classifying another product important to its bottom line, formaldehyde, as a “known carcinogen” in humans (which it is).

Tea Partiers may share the Kochs’ detestation of taxes, big government and Obama. But there’s a difference between mainstream conservatism and a fringe agenda that tilts completely toward big business, whether on Wall Street or in the Gulf of Mexico, while dismantling fundamental government safety nets designed to protect the unemployed, public health, workplace safety and the subsistence of the elderly.

Yet inexorably the Koch agenda is morphing into the G.O.P. agenda, as articulated by current Republican members of Congress, including the putative next speaker of the House, John Boehner, and Tea Party Senate candidates like Rand Paul, Sharron Angle, and the new kid on the block, Alaska’s anti-Medicaid, anti-unemployment insurance Palin protégé, Joe Miller. Their program opposes a federal deficit, but has no objection to running up trillions in red ink in tax cuts to corporations and the superrich; apologizes to corporate malefactors like BP and derides money put in escrow for oil spill victims as a “slush fund”; opposes the extension of unemployment benefits; and calls for a freeze on federal regulations in an era when abuses in the oil, financial, mining, pharmaceutical and even egg industries (among others) have been outrageous.

The Koch brothers must be laughing all the way to the bank knowing that working Americans are aiding and abetting their selfish interests. And surely Murdoch is snickering at those protesting the “ground zero mosque.” Last week on “Fox and Friends,” the Bush administration flacks Dan Senor and Dana Perino attacked a supposedly terrorism-tainted Saudi prince whose foundation might contribute to the Islamic center. But as “The Daily Show” keeps pointing out, these Fox bloviators never acknowledge that the evil prince they’re bashing, Walid bin Talal, is not only the biggest non-Murdoch shareholder in Fox News’s parent company (he owns 7 percent of News Corporation) and the recipient of Murdoch mammoth investments in Saudi Arabia but also the subject of lionization elsewhere on Fox.

No less a Murdoch factotum than Neil Cavuto slobbered over bin Talal in a Fox Business Channel interview as recently as January, with nary a question about his supposed terrorist ties. Instead, bin Talal praised Obama’s stance on terrorism and even endorsed the Democrats’ goal of universal health insurance. Do any of the Fox-watching protestors at the “ground zero mosque” know that Fox’s profits are flowing to a Obama-sympathizing Saudi billionaire in bed with Murdoch? As Jon Stewart summed it up, the protestors who want “to cut off funding to the ‘terror mosque’ ” are aiding that funding by watching Fox and enhancing bin Talal’s News Corp. holdings.

When wolves of Murdoch’s ingenuity and the Kochs’ stealth have been at the door of our democracy in the past, Democrats have fought back fiercely. Franklin Roosevelt’s triumphant 1936 re-election campaign pummeled the Liberty League as a Republican ally eager to “squeeze the worker dry in his old age and cast him like an orange rind into the refuse pail.” When John Kennedy’s patriotism was assailed by Birchers calling for impeachment, he gave a major speech denouncing their “crusades of suspicion.”

And Obama? So far, sadly, this question answers itself.
 Fresh fish is best fresh.
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Posted: 8/31/2010 5:58:56 AM
After reading more posts in this thread, I am going to start watching Fox news more! They sound awesome to me. And once again, I am sure they appreciate the free advertising and publicity that has been given to them in this thread. They are neither Evil or Stupid.
 late™
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Posted: 8/31/2010 8:46:59 AM

- a propaganda arm of the Republican Party and bought and paid for by big business like the Koch Brothers, Newscorp, Saudi Oil, etc...
- a matter of public record -
They are neither Evil or Stupid.
if one is a borderline sociopath with a "me first and devil take the hindmost" attitude

Q.E.D.
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Posted: 8/31/2010 9:25:05 AM
I think they are an outstanding news organization. If the "Left" does not like them, than to me that means they are doing something "Right." They are no more evil or stupid than any other news organization/channel/entertainment. Also if the "Right" does not like them, than that means the are doing something "Left" Almost sounds like a marching cadence to me.. LOL!
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Posted: 9/1/2010 5:42:09 AM
Glen Beck is not evil, he just hosts a show that some do not agree with. Who exactly is he striking fear in? Conservatives? Liberals? Independents? Everybody? I think basically all of his shows round into one thing, and that is having a small federal government. And of course what is very interesting is that both main parties have grown the Fed government. I don't think Fox news is evil or stupid, I think they have their own bias , just like every other news or entertainment organization, and of course even local news channels are biased, especially when it comes to sports. If you don't like it change the channel.
 nipoleon
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Posted: 9/1/2010 11:23:48 AM
You have to remember one thing......
They're selling a product !

The reason they are selling it is because there's a market for it.
There's lot's of people buying it.

Rupert Murdoch really doesn't care so much about left or right, he only cares about what makes money.
Yes......Glenn Beck, Linbaugh, Hannity, and the rest are just vain, self serving, demigods.
They are only in it for the money and self-aggrandizement.
FOX news is a whorehouse and only whores work there.
Unfortunately, there's more money to be made in Journalistic prostitution.
Rush Limbaugh is a lot richer than I. F. Stone ever dreamed of being.

There's always been a profit in playing up to stupid peoples fears.
It's the oldest game there is.
 az109
Joined: 7/3/2010
Msg: 40
Is Fox News Evil or Stupid?
Posted: 9/1/2010 11:29:35 AM
He fills me with fear. It scares me to know anyone would watch his show, let alone many people, and of those who do, some agree with his idiotic bombast. It's scary to know there are people like that in the neighborhood. I would rather be spared any sign they exist up until it is too late.
 Fresh fish is best fresh.
Joined: 7/29/2010
Msg: 41
Is Fox News Evil or Stupid?
Posted: 9/1/2010 11:52:03 AM
"He fills me with fear. It scares me to know anyone would watch his show, let alone many people, and of those who do, some agree with his idiotic bombast. It's scary to know there are people like that in the neighborhood. I would rather be spared any sign they exist up until it is too late."

LOL! Now that is hilarious. So does this mean that the fear is on those who disagree with some of these talking heads? You mean someone is actually afraid of Glen Beck, Rush, the Fox news channel? bah ha ha ha.. oh my gawd... My goodness, it is just a TV channel.. If you don't like it change the channel. And if their viewers like them and agree with them so what? Get over it already, you are not going to change their minds, especially if they think media sources who disagree are the evil and stupid ones. This is silly very silly. Fox news is not evil nor are they stupid. They are not doing anything different than any other news source or entertainment channel.
 wrongplanetjon
Joined: 1/16/2010
Msg: 42
Is Fox News Evil or Stupid?
Posted: 9/1/2010 12:16:26 PM
As a Liberal, I am ashamed that there was no violence breaking out at Beck's rally for me to gloat about.
 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 43
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Posted: 9/1/2010 1:57:55 PM
The Beckernecks are too timid to do violence in the public eye. They resort to vandalism, threats, arson, and violence at night or at some near future apocalyptic point in time.
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201008020011
"violence is coming" and complains that "the left will blame it on me"
Beck acknowledges that he has viewers who are capable of responding violently to his hyperbolic accusations. He has warned, "it is only a matter of time before an actual crazy person really does something stupid."
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/glenn-becks-radio-rwanda-schtick-tra
-- Jim David Adkisson's shooting attack on a Knoxville Unitarian church. Adkisson left behind a manifesto that repeated numerous right-wing talking points generated by Fox commentators and specifically cited a Bernard Goldberg book. His library at home was stocked with books by Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity and Michael Savage.

-- Richard Poplawski's shooting of three Pittsburgh police officers, because he believed a conspiracy theory that President Obama intended to take Americans' guns away from them, and he reportedly believed the cops had arrived to carry it out. Poplawski, a white supremacist, liked to post Beck videos about FEMA concentration camps to the Stormfront comments board.

-- Scott Roeder's assassination of Dr. George Tiller. Roeder was heavily involved in Operation Rescue and avidly read its newsletters -- which featured weekly pieces from Bill O'Reilly, including several attacking Tiller as a "baby killer" -- and its website, which liked to feature O'Reilly videos attacking Dr. Tiller. Indeed, O'Reilly had indulged a high-profile and unusually obsessive (not to mention vicious) jihad against Tiller, resulting in 42 such attacks on Tiller, 24 of which referred to him generically as a "baby killer."

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/glenn-becks-long-history-extremist-r
Most notably, Beck has actively promoted ideas, theories, and concepts taken directly from the far-right "Patriot"/militia movement, many of which in turn derive from the ugliest sector of the right, white supremacy:

-- He "war-gamed" out an apocalytpic American future in which society has completely crumbled, leaving behind a "Road Warrior" society in which militias remained the only defenders of the remnants of white society.

-- He told his audience for several weeks running that he "could not disprove" the existence of concentration camps run by FEMA in which conservatives were to be rounded up. After a few weeks of this, he finally ran a segment that in fact did debunk these claims, explaining that in reality all of the supposed "evidence" for these camps was the product of a long-running hoax that began in the 1990s with the "Patriot"/militia movement. (He then later claimed that he had done nothing to promote these theories.)

-- He ran several segments, including one on his radio show, in which he promoted the concept of the secession of Texas from the Union. A little later, he tried to pretend he didn't agree with the concept while in fact giving a secessionist the opportunity to promote his plans to Beck's audience.

-- He regularly promoted "one world government" paranoia. This included a supposed plot to put us all on a global currency controlled by the New World Order.

-- He tried to argue that the chief cause of the sour economy was the United States' reliance on a central banking system.

-- He hosted an entire hourlong segment devoted to promoting militia-derived constitutional theories about state sovereignty.

-- He expressed his admiration for Nazi admirer and renowned anti-Semite Henry Ford.

-- He warned his audience about Obama's supposed secret plot to grab our guns.

-- He also speculated that it is actually liberal "political correctness" that inspires right-wingers to go on murderous killing rampages.

-- Later, when a Beck fan named Richard Poplawski shot three Pittsburgh police officers because he believed the cops were going to take his guns away on behalf of President Obama -- and a number of other acts of right-wing violence occurred that were similarly inspired by Beck's kookery -- Beck attacked C&L and other blogs for having the audacity to point out the connection.

-- Then, after building up his audience's paranoia, anger, and fearfulness, he pleaded with them not to indulge in acts of violence.

The death toll from Beck, Hannity, Fox and their thugs continues to grow.
 WalksOnWater2
Joined: 5/19/2009
Msg: 44
Is Fox News Evil or Stupid?
Posted: 9/1/2010 2:14:35 PM
Fox News are not Evil, nor Stupid. They are BIASED.

So are the news on every network.
Get on with the program and choose your affiliations, complaining about the evilness and the stupidity of those you don't agree with is infantile and absurd.
It is like calling the grass stupid because it's green, and the sky evil, because it's black or blue.
It would help to learn to observe and think on your own.

That's why I get all my news through the grapevine....


 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 45
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Posted: 9/1/2010 4:28:23 PM
Since William Randolf Hearst's yellow journalism we've not seen it's kind in Fox's ability to demonize, foment hatred and irrational fears and incite violence in the MSM. No other network has come close to inciting the sort of violence, and the blatant lies without apology, that we have seen from RupertMurdock and his buddy, the Saudi Prince who own Fox.

Comparing Fox to the grass or sky is pretty Infantile and absurd. Fox is much more akin to the toxic waste incinerator in your neighborhood, killing your friends and family, poisoning your waters and air, with the whole neighborhood feeling it's effects. Even if you don't look at the incinerator, you still feel the grit on your skin, the stench in your nostrils, and the acrid taste in your water. Ignoring the source of the pollution is not a viable option when people are dying from it.
 lostsoullooking
Joined: 7/3/2009
Msg: 46
Is Fox News Evil or Stupid?
Posted: 9/1/2010 9:13:31 PM
The scary thing is that there are people that believe that Beck, Linbaugh, O’Reilly, etc are reporting factual news.

I’m not sure if they are in it for the money or if they have delusions of being the supreme leaders of the righteous God fearing minority.
 anonymouslyme
Joined: 12/23/2008
Msg: 47
Is Fox News Evil or Stupid?
Posted: 9/1/2010 9:29:26 PM

I’m not sure if they are in it for the money or if they have delusions of being the supreme leaders of the righteous God fearing minority.
I'm firmly convinced it's the latter.... Some people just love to hear themselves talk.
 Fresh fish is best fresh.
Joined: 7/29/2010
Msg: 48
Is Fox News Evil or Stupid?
Posted: 9/2/2010 5:17:25 AM
The same can be said for any news agency. This thread is hilarious to say the least. All news sources, entertainment sources, books, teaches, lawyers, and pretty much every human on the planet have a bias or two. If you don't agree with them than that is your bias and your problem. This thread should be removed, because it is nothing more than a pity thread. If you don't agree with them change the channel, thousands of folks do agree with them, and I am sure the really give a hoot weather you agree or disagree, but they will thank you for the "free" publicity and advertising that has been awarded to them from opening this thread.

"Some people just love to hear themselves talk."

Well duh, take a look at our leaders, all of them to be exact.
 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 49
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Posted: 9/3/2010 6:23:32 AM
Again..while there may be bits of bias in every news organization, that bias rarely comes across in news portion of programming. Fox is an unrepentant liar and manipulator of reality that does not differentiate between punditry and newscasts, or reality and conspiracy. I agree with those who say just turn it off or turn the channel. When confronted with that toxic waste at your laundromat, bar, restaurant, waiting room or other public place, ask the proprieters to change the channel. There is plenty of quality programming out there. No need to be contaminated in a place of busniess if it offends you.

http://www.turnofffox.org/
 wrongplanetjon
Joined: 1/16/2010
Msg: 50
Is Fox News Evil or Stupid?
Posted: 9/3/2010 1:33:45 PM
News is only evil or stupid if it disagrees with my personal point of views about anything.
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